Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-19 Thread David Hofstee
> Then maybe you use my opensource Apache jDKIM library? ;-) It was a while ago (1,5 years). Can't remember (and I didn't code it myself as I was preparing the company for an ISO 27k1 audit). And while I am thinking about how clumsy these emails generally are, describing the required DNS

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-19 Thread David Hofstee
I think there were (as this was my previous employer) 2 or 3 support crew per 1000 accounts. And sure there were questions. But this would only escalate to me if the technical dept. did not agree to the settings that were prefilled (e.g. some customers simply demand 2048 bit DKIM). The advantage

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-19 Thread Stefano Bagnara
On 19 February 2018 at 12:24, David Hofstee wrote: >>Using a return-path in the domain of your customer can be easy when >>you have a multi-thousands-dollars contract for each customer. But >>when you have "free" users or "few dollars per year" customers, you >>can't

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-19 Thread David Hofstee
>Using a return-path in the domain of your customer can be easy when >you have a multi-thousands-dollars contract for each customer. But >when you have "free" users or "few dollars per year" customers, you >can't afford manually helping people to configure their domains so >that you can use that

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-02-17 03:48, Stefano Bagnara wrote: Unfortunately there are still some server accepting everything and sending bounces without headers or malformed bounces. This is not a small group. Every few months I get massive floods of bounces from some spambot that decided forging my domain is

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread John Levine
In article

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Al Iverson
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote: > On 17 February 2018 at 14:23, Benjamin BILLON wrote: >> My 2cents: some ISPs require a manual registration based on the MAIL FROM >> email address (not just the domain name), hence VERP can't be used

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Al Iverson
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 11:19 AM, John Levine wrote: > In article > > you write: >>My 2cents: some ISPs require a manual registration based on the MAIL FROM >>email address (not just the

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Stefano Bagnara
mailop.org] On Behalf Of Stefano Bagnara > Sent: Saturday, 17 February, 2018 18:48 > To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > Subject: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?) > > On 17 February 2018 at 02:19, Michael Peddemors <mich...@linuxmagic.com> > wrote: >>

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Al Iverson
sed for them. > > -- > Benjamin Billon > > -Original Message- > From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Stefano Bagnara > Sent: Saturday, 17 February, 2018 18:48 > To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > Subject: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadR

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >My 2cents: some ISPs require a manual registration based on the MAIL FROM >email address (not just the domain name), >hence VERP can't be used for them. Sounds like an excellent reason

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Benjamin BILLON
February, 2018 18:48 To: mailop <mailop@mailop.org> Subject: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?) On 17 February 2018 at 02:19, Michael Peddemors <mich...@linuxmagic.com> wrote: > [...] > And since the direction most MTA's go is to reduce any form of > 'bounce' or

[mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Stefano Bagnara
On 17 February 2018 at 02:19, Michael Peddemors wrote: > [...] > And since the direction most MTA's go is to reduce any form of 'bounce' or > backscatter, the idea of using the VERP to detect 'bounces' is probably not > as important as it once was, unless the emails are