Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 24.2 "New Features" video script for translations

2024-02-05 Thread sophi

Hi,

A big thank you to all the translators, that's great to see translations 
of the subtitles in so many languages :)


Cheers
Sophie

Le 31/01/2024 à 13:58, Mike Saunders a écrit :

Hi everyone,

We've made a video showing a few of the new features in LibreOffice 24.2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9pMn4cffs

The text for the subtitles is on the wiki, so if anyone wants to 
translate, we can add more languages:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/24.2_New_Features_Script

Thanks a lot in advance! :-)



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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting agenda: 2023-09-28 16:00 CEST

2023-09-28 Thread sophi

Hi Eyal, John,

Just to give some information on this peculiar episode. The CVE happened 
just before the conference where most of the team was traveling, not 
easy to do a respin in those conditions.


What Miklos meant is that in the *dev* point of view it was solved, a 
fix has been provided thanks to Caolan, that's all developers can do 
"they move on to the next issue". So nothing more on their side to talk 
about. It doesn't mean they don't care about users, they have done their 
job in fixing the issue, the rest is not in their power. It's up to us, 
you, me.


Then it's up to release engineering, UX and marketing to act. What RE 
did from Monday to today because there was some problem with a Mac version.


We have discussed today inside the team how we could better served our 
users when this type of issue emerged. Security is a difficult topic to 
talk about, there is not only the fix, but how it's embargoed for other 
products, etc.


I think the best way now to go on positively on this is to have a 
discussion between marketing, UX and RE: should we have a pop-up in the 
product advertising about security fix, should we have a special 
communication campaign. Most of the time, there is an embargo and we 
release security fixes without communication because of that, what 
should we do?


Please, open the discussion on the marketing list, all points of view 
and ideas are valuable, but don't shout to our developers, they provided 
a fix very quickly, up to us to know how to communicate it now. This was 
a new situation that needs to be addressed, your opinion about users is 
very much valid, how should we go from there now?


Cheers
Sophi

Le 28/09/2023 à 21:36, Eyal Rozenberg a écrit :

I second John's sentiment.

For the vast majority of LibreOffice users, this security problem is
_not_ fixed. And that is because they run versions of LibreOffice with
the vulnerability but without the fix; and have not been made aware of
the vulnerability and the release-with-a-fix.

I would claim that we are responsible to make our users thus aware. Now,
it's true that a user is not likely to allow this particular exploit to
be taken advantage of, since that would mean directing LO at a malicious
.webp somewhere. But - we have over 200 million users IIANM. If
malicious .webp's turn up on the web, it's quite likely some of our
users may do this by mistake; and we would bear some of the
responsibility for the consequences of such an outcome - after we've
told our users that they are in the capable hands of "security experts"
(to quote our website).

Also, what if, next time, the vulnerability is easier to exploit? Do we
even have the mechanism to push at least a warning about the need to
update LO?


Eyal

PS 1: I have widened the CC of this exchange, as this question relates
to how we present LibreOffice to users; our claims regarding the quality
of this product; and the implicit and explicit guarantees we make to users.

PS 2: Many of us are not able to attend ESC sessions - in general, and
especially in the middle of a work day. And when this is the case we
send an email asking for relevant issues to be considered. Personally, I
struggle to attend even the design meetings (where I believe I can be of
more use).




On 28/09/2023 11:44, John Mills wrote:

Hello Miklos,

Is it an acceptable statement just to say that "we" move on? Yes, the
issue is now resolved for those people that download the newest version
of LibreOffice. However what about the many millions of users that will
not update or have no idea that they are now susceptible to this high
rated CVE?

This is not a compelling strategy and does not serve the best interests
of these users. I think it is poor for the reputation of LibreOffice and
the Document Foundation that there are many millions of unpatched
instances being used that could negatively impact people like this.

Perhaps this particular CVE is on the scale of things considered not
that critical, however what is the strategy if there was ever an exploit
that significantly impacted LibreOffice? How would this be made known to
our user and corrected?

With best regards,

John

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    On Thu, 28 Sept 2023 at 8:13 am, Miklos Vajna
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    Hi Eyal,

    On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 08:31:04PM +0300, Eyal Rozenberg
    mailto:eyalr...@gmx.com>> wrote:
 > I would like to ask you to discuss the situation with the 
recent CVE:

 > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157231
    <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157231>

    It was already discussed 2 weeks ago. If you have s

Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Versioning scheme.

2023-05-27 Thread sophi

Hi Marcin,
Le 27/05/2023 à 19:46, Marcin Zolisiarz a écrit :

Dear All,

I think it's hard to have consensus here, but we must not play with this
scheme so frivolously.

The next version due in early 2024 should be 8.0, and the next one on
mid-2024 should be 9.0 - this way we're going to always have an even number
in Winter and odd in Summer.


Winter and Summer are your seasons, some may have them differently, even 
without any seasons :-) so this is not a good scheme for the community


The 2nd digit should be used as a minor/bugfix release.


How do you deal with the Fresh and Still versioning scheme?


Within time we are going to reach big numbers, but our focus should be not
on numbers but on fresh/still branch and that users do upgrades reguraily,
report bugs if they are found and always 'in sync'.


Fully agree with you here

Cheers
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Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-12-30 Thread sophi
Hi,

Le 30/12/2021 à 14:39, James Harking a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> Here's hypothetical for you, I don't have direct contact with our desktop
> team but I do have some sway in decision making.
> 
> Let's say we are a company with around 1000 Windows desktops, we currently
> use Microsoft Office 365 and generally are happy with it, however license
> costs are relatively expensive and we have a concern over our data
> portability and so we are looking at alternatives. We would not migrate
> away from Windows as this would cause excessive work for little benefit.
> 
> We use Outlook for mail, calendaring and contacts which are essential for
> us, we could for the most part substitute Word for Writer, Excel for Calc
> and Impress for Powerpoint. However we also use Teams internally for
> communication, meetings and document storage. Also One Note is used for
> quick individual note keeping. Microsoft Project is used by a small subset
> of colleagues.

You have dedicated open source tools for that, this is not LibreOffice
job to do video conference or mail. See one of them for example
https://www.bluemind.net/en/

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] REMINDER LibreOffice Conference Call for Papers

2021-06-28 Thread sophi
Hi all,

Gentle reminder, there is only 2 days left, so please, don't miss the
deadline :)

Cheers
Sophie


Le 04/06/2021 à 12:14, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
> LibreOffice Conference Call for Papers is open until June 30, 2021.
> Thanks to the efforts of TDF infra team led by Guilhem Moulin, you can
> now submit your proposal using TDF brand new event management platform
> at https://events.documentfoundation.org/libocon2021/cfp. We know that
> you were all eager to use that platform for your proposals, and now you
> don't have any excuse for a further delay of your submission!
> 
> LibreOffice Conference 2021 will take place online from September 23 to
> 25, Thursday to Saturday. The Document Foundation invites all members
> and contributors to submit talks, lectures and workshops. Whether you
> are a seasoned presenter or have never spoken in public before, if you
> have something interesting to share about LibreOffice, ODF, the Document
> Liberation Project or the ODF Toolkit, we want to hear from you!
> 
> Proposals should be filed by June 30, 2021, in order to guarantee that
> they will be considered for inclusion in the conference program.
> 
> The conference program will be based on the following tracks:
> 
> a) Development, APIs, Extensions, Future Technology
> b) Quality Assurance
> c) Localization, Documentation and Native Language Projects
> d) Appealing Libreoffice: Ease of Use, Design and Accessibility
> e) Open Document Format, Document Liberation and Interoperability
> f) Advocating, Promoting, Marketing LibreOffice
> g) Diversity and Inclusion, New Generation Project for Students' Inclusion
> 
> Presentations, case studies and technical talks will discuss a subject
> in depth and will last 30 minutes (including Q&A), while Workshops will
> last 90 minutes (including Q&A). Lightning talks will cover a specific
> topic and will last 5 minutes (including Q&A). Sessions will be streamed
> live and recorded for download.
> 
> If you do not agree to provide the data for the talk under the “Creative
> Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 License”, please explicitly state
> your terms. In order to make your presentation available on TDF YouTube
> and PeerTube channels, please do not submit talks containing copyrighted
> material (music, pictures, etc.).
> 
> If you want to give multiple talks, please submit a separate proposal
> for each one, using the submission form at the following address (is the
> same): https://events.documentfoundation.org/libocon2021/cfp.
> 
> Thanks a lot for your participation!
> 
> Blog Post:
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/04/reminder-lo-conference-2021-cfp/
> 
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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Annual report: we need your help! :)

2021-02-19 Thread sophi
Hey all,

A gentle reminder, please don't forget to add your activities to the pad!
https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport
Thanks a lot in advance for your great help :)

Cheers
Sophie
Le 12/02/2021 à 11:26, sophi a écrit :
> Hi all,
> 
> This is again the time to collect the activities that happened last year
> in our local communities. It will be of great help for Mike and Italo to
> write the annual report but also a good way to reflect what happened in
> our vibrant project :)
> 
> Don't be shy, we would like to know what you've done be it events (even
> online), QA, documentation, l10n, etc. even if you think it's small,
> just let us know on the pad (or directly to me if you prefer)
> 
> https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport
> 
> Please fill last year activities in your area!
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance,
> Cheers
> Sophie
> 


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[libreoffice-marketing] Annual report: we need your help! :)

2021-02-12 Thread sophi
Hi all,

This is again the time to collect the activities that happened last year
in our local communities. It will be of great help for Mike and Italo to
write the annual report but also a good way to reflect what happened in
our vibrant project :)

Don't be shy, we would like to know what you've done be it events (even
online), QA, documentation, l10n, etc. even if you think it's small,
just let us know on the pad (or directly to me if you prefer)

https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

Please fill last year activities in your area!

Thanks a lot in advance,
Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MARKETING PLAN: Some Proposals

2020-11-12 Thread sophi
Hi Michael,

Le 12/11/2020 à 14:54, Michael Weghorn a écrit :
> Hi Marina, everyone,
> 
> 
> On 11/11/2020 11.09, Marina Latini wrote:> PERSONAL: always with this
> target-origin approach, I'm missing the
>> origin here. Which tag should be used for example by the Limux project
>> or by SUSE or by all the others that are investing in our project with a
>> contract with one of the ecosystem companies for fixing specific issues
>> without using their LTS branded version? Why we should ask to these
>> contributors to use a personal tag giving the wrong impression to their
>> users that the software is for "for personal use only" and they are the
>> "bad folks" not contributing to our open source project in the proper way?
> 
> I completely agree with this and pretty much everything you wrote. :)
> 
>>
>> ROLLING/TUMBLEWEED: I can be biased here as openSUSE community member
>> but "rolling" is not only something unstable. ;)
>> Look for example at openSUSE Tumbleweed. The distro is a rolling one, in
>> constant evolution, it's true, you can get all the updated software
>> available from upstream projects and the distro has in any case a really
>> extensive quality work done by SUSE, its partners and by the openSUSE
>> community. At the end, this tumbleweed concept is not like using a
>> master version of LibreOffice but is closer to chose fresh instead of
>> still. ;)
>> The concept of rolling is something that I really like. it's a shared
>> effort from all the contributors (volunteers, ecosystem and investors)
>> to deliver something that works as expected without providing a long
>> term support version. With this rolling concept I can't see a negative
>> outcome also for public administrations like Munich or companies like
>> SUSE supporting our project in a different way. I like "tumbleweed" more
>> than rolling to be honest but if this concept will be selected we can
>> try to find a more effective and visual word too.
> 
> A tag in that direction ("something that works as expected without
> providing a long term support version") sounds good to me.
> 
> From my personal understanding, "rolling" isn't what I'd use to describe
> the LibreOffice release process (where there is a release schedule in
> advance and features/bugfixes/bugs always enter with a distinct new
> release, not "at any unknown point in time", as can happen for rolling
> releases like OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or Debian unstable where new packages
> can enter at any point in time).
> 
> IMHO, "Semi-annual Edition" would match our release model more
> precisely, since we have two new major releases every year, and it would
> make clear that whoever uses these versions should be prepared to
> upgrade to the next version every 6 months (as opposed to LTS versions).
>> CREATIVE: I feel this proposal closer to what I wrote for
>> ROLLING/TUMBLEWEED and indeed, I like it. :)

I agree with you. But I find the rolling concept interesting too.
> 
> "Creative" sounds good, but at least from my personal user perspective,
> I'd probably wonder at first whether "Creative Edition" is the right one
> for me, since I don't feel that what I'm usually doing with LibreOffice
> is particularly creative (like writing some official letters from time
> to time or do some calculations in a spreadsheet). :)

Oh, I've seen official letters made in very creative ways, like
embedding tables in tables in the header, free styles, empty paragraphs
to jump to the next page, etc. ;-)

The label aims to qualify the product more than the way the user will
use it. If you look at the rationale I gave for the word, they are
mostly talking about the project and the product. Only the last one
could be considered as directed to the user, a reference to commons
universally accessible.
Same for Spring and its different meanings: it's one of the 4 seasons
(like our cycle of releases), it's the source of the water (the origin
of all the editions) and resilience reflecting how united our community is.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MARKETING PLAN: Some Proposals

2020-11-11 Thread sophi
Hi Marina, all,

Le 11/11/2020 à 11:09, Marina Latini a écrit :
> On 09.11.2020 16:04, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> 
> Hello Italo and Community,
> thanks for your inputs here.

and thanks for yours, I fully share your analysis :) Jumping to your
comments
[...]

>> 1. Product Label for the community supported version provided by TDF
>>
> 
> COMMUNITY: I like it and this was my instinctive initial idea. After
> some researches I understood what Italo told about the "open core"
> meaning of this tag. As much as I like this proposal, I think our
> business model is not the open core one and always with the
> target-origin approach in mind my fear is that this could be misleading.
> Our community is made of volunteers, ecosystem and investors/donors and
> this tag is not a way to differentiate what the version provided by TDF
> with volunteers support is in the reality.>
> PERSONAL: always with this target-origin approach, I'm missing the
> origin here. Which tag should be used for example by the Limux project
> or by SUSE or by all the others that are investing in our project with a
> contract with one of the ecosystem companies for fixing specific issues
> without using their LTS branded version? Why we should ask to these
> contributors to use a personal tag giving the wrong impression to their
> users that the software is for "for personal use only" and they are the
> "bad folks" not contributing to our open source project in the proper way?
agreed on both
> 
> ROLLING/TUMBLEWEED: I can be biased here as openSUSE community member
> but "rolling" is not only something unstable. ;)
> Look for example at openSUSE Tumbleweed. The distro is a rolling one, in
> constant evolution, it's true, you can get all the updated software
> available from upstream projects and the distro has in any case a really
> extensive quality work done by SUSE, its partners and by the openSUSE
> community. At the end, this tumbleweed concept is not like using a
> master version of LibreOffice but is closer to chose fresh instead of
> still. ;)
> The concept of rolling is something that I really like. it's a shared
> effort from all the contributors (volunteers, ecosystem and investors)
> to deliver something that works as expected without providing a long
> term support version. With this rolling concept I can't see a negative
> outcome also for public administrations like Munich or companies like
> SUSE supporting our project in a different way. I like "tumbleweed" more
> than rolling to be honest but if this concept will be selected we can
> try to find a more effective and visual word too.

yes I really like it too :) I tried to think further on the word
Tumbleweed and its representation. I would like to propose Spring which
represent the season (where everything is coming to life or growing),
the source of water but also the resilience.
> 
> CLASSIC: can be an idea too but for my taste, classic looks also like
> something old, aged and I can see it more close to the distinction we
> have for LibreOffice still and LibreOffice fresh instead of a way to
> differentiate who is doing what and how.
> 
> BASIC: with "basic" I can see the same issues already mentioned with
> "PERSONAL" plus the negative connotation that the basic version has less
> features or it has something less if compared with the supported
> version. The difference I see here is much more than the lack of
> professional support.
also agreed on both

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] MARKETING PLAN: Some Proposals

2020-11-09 Thread sophi
ed on specific actions
> and messages. We will have to educate enetrprises, which are not trivial
> to educate as a target. On the other hand, if enterprises do not give
> something back to the project, the sustainability is at stake.
> 
> Sorry for the long message, happy to read other contributions.

Just some thoughts :)
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] A LibreOffice team for Folding@home

2020-04-22 Thread sophi
Hi,
Le 21/04/2020 à 22:11, William Gathoye (LibreOffice) a écrit :
> Writing this down in a persistent mailing list. Chat instances are volatile.
> 
> On 20/04/2020 10:01, sophi wrote:
> 
>> I couldn't find any discussion about opening the group there however.
>> When acting under LibreOffice name, whatever the cause, it would be good
>> to inform and discuss it with the community before...
> 
> Like discussed on Telegram, when something is trending everywhere you
> need to act in quite an urgency. Seeing the LibreOffice team name being
> taken by someone not from the community would have been more annoying to
> recover afterwards.[1] The same applies basically with everything for
> which asking for agreement would take an eternity to resolve.[2] Time
> flies faster on social media than in real life.

You should *always* discuss with the community before opening *any*
service under the name of LibreOffice or TDF. When you engage the
responsibility of the whole project a second thought is *always* needed.
After, like Mastodon, it's too late and damages are done to the community.
> 
> Stopping here because I could do other things more meaningful for the
> community instead of quibbling for basically no reason.

For no reason? do you think that engaging the project without notifying
the list for a second look is something that could be called quibbling?
> 
> But I'm keeping your remark with great attention in my head. My huge
> number of mails with @libreoffice.org is indeed a problem I need to
> resolve fast. I'm receiving more of them than I can answer a day
> unfortunately. :(

And spending time to correct what you did wrong take also a lot of time,
so please consult the community before sending blogs or subscribing the
project to services. We could avoid a lot of work correcting the bad
effects afterwards.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] A LibreOffice team for Folding@home

2020-04-20 Thread sophi
Hi,
Le 18/04/2020 à 12:53, Uwe Altmann a écrit :
> Hi
> Am 18.04.20 um 02:58 schrieb Spyros:
>> I found recently that a Folding@home [0] team under the LibreOffice name
>> exists. I started contributing to it but did not create it (I assume
>> credits for that should go to wget).
>>
>> Team: LibreOffice
>> Team ID: 260680
>> Stats: https://stats.foldingathome.org/team/260680
> 
> Great, just joined :-)
> 
I couldn't find any discussion about opening the group there however.
When acting under LibreOffice name, whatever the cause, it would be good
to inform and discuss it with the community before...

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOfficeFR situation update

2020-03-24 Thread sophi
e
next week-end, if my situation permit it.

> 3. answer to all questions since 2020-03-22 to now
> 4. answer to people still waiting an answer between 2020-02-21 and
> 2020-03-09 (that's the backlog gap :()

again, send them to ASK, this is where we provide help to users that
serves other users
> 5. unread mails at TDF.
> 
> # Time management
> 
> Maintainership is still done on a best effort basis.
> 
> While I have been able to spend 1-2h / day, I'll need to find a way to
> reduce this workload to 1-2h / every 2 days.
> 
> I have contacted all the companies providing social media tools used to
> contribute several people at once on a Twitter account, but the
> solutions they provided to me are way too expensive, even for a non
> profit organization like TDF.
> 
> The only solution I have found for now one in order to keep up the same
> positive attitude via Twitter is time splitting: sharing contributors
> across time. This however requires technical oriented contributors who
> have a wholistic view of the TDF/LibreOffice project.

Asking in the FR community would help.
> 
> Proof reading text for the blog articles can be easily found on the
> discuss-fr mailing list. Thanks again to the persons who answered
> present over the past few months :)
> 
> # Accesses
> 
> I'm precising this piece of info to reduce the bus factor.[4]
> 
> Twitter access can be given using Twitter.com, Tweetdeck or via any
> third party API access.
> 
> While third party API access is carefully monitored and restricted to
> the bare minimum (Tweetdeck and mobile apps), the following contributors
> currently have a full access to the Twitter account using Twitter.com.
> 
> The following people have access to the username, password, and TOTP key
> of the account. These 3 elements have been shared with them using
> ProtonMail/PGP.
> 
> - Arnaud Versini
> - Sophie Gautier (accesses granted sent today)
> - William Gathoye (myself)
> 
> Some accesses are also defined using Tweetdeck. These accesses are only
> valid using Tweetdeck and cannot be escalated to a standard Twitter.com
> access. Contributors can only publish.
> 
> - Arnaud Versini (admin)
> - William Gathoye (admin)
> - Sophie Gautier (admin)
> - Charles H Schulz (contributor - pending request)
> - Valerie Dagrain (contributor - pending request)
> 
> # Near-term objectives
> 
> - First step is to get rid of the aforementioned catchup backlog
> - A possible GSoC: an overhaul of the blog (more on that in a dedicated
> thread)
> - Growth hacking only possible with the call to action of the
> LibreOffice.org website (i.e. downloading LibreOffice) properly redesigned.
> - Virtual hackathons. I'm currently sparing money and building a server
> room for virtual hackathons. (More on that later)
> 
> While these can be seen as personal ideas, this is what I propose for
> the LibreOfficeFR community, a needed adaptation in order to catchup
> with other FOSS communities ;)

It's for the twitter account, the FR community is also on the lists and
should be informed and concerned at first.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Outdated Polish official site

2020-02-10 Thread sophi
Hi Marcin,

Le 09/02/2020 à 13:43, Marcin Popko a écrit :
> Or if it’s not on WP, I can prepare only translations If you bring site 
> instance with new theme on pl.libreoffice.org

Thanks a lot for your offer! part of the strings are in Pootle here:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/pl/website/
and the cms is Silverstripe. Pawel Konefal was the maintainer but it
seems he is not active. Would you like to take over and add your name here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice in 2019: project and community recap video

2019-12-11 Thread sophi
Hi Mike,
Le 11/12/2019 à 17:23, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I've made a quick video summarising activities from the project and
> community in the last year. It's unlisted at the moment, so please don't
> share it yet -- I may still make some changes!
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7YQU_dycos
> 
> For instance, I may add a donate suggestion at the end... What do you think?

I like it like that, but I'm not an expert :) Thanks for your work!
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Tips of the week for LibreOfficeFR Twitter account

2019-11-19 Thread sophi
Hi William,
Le 19/11/2019 à 10:46, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> Hey William,
> 
> Sophie says she'll send the link for the French translation in Pootle,
> but for future reference, here are the tips:
> 
> https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/cui/inc/tipoftheday.hrc?r=e95f3221

here is the French translation:
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/translations/source/fr/cui/messages.po?r=6d407220
search for RID_CUI_TIPOFTHEDAY
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice micro site

2019-03-11 Thread sophi
Hi Mike,
Le 11/03/2019 à 14:20, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> On 11/03/2019 11:59, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>>
>> I don't like the redirection idea - I would prefer to host ourselves,
>> e.g. for SEO purposes and to not leave our infrastructure. If we're
>> happy with the page, why not host it in one of our VMs? ;-)
> 
> Sure, we can do that! I just wonder how much longer it'll take... I
> don't know much about Github and the VM bits required, but if infra can
> do all this, then let's go ahead. I just want to avoid this cool idea
> being on the back burner for too long because nobody knows how to move
> it further...

Then, let's connect Sidorela and the infra team on website@, I'm going
to write a mail connecting people there :)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice micro site

2019-03-08 Thread sophi
Hey all,
Le 08/03/2019 à 13:48, Mike Saunders a écrit :
> Hey Sidorela,
> 
> On 22/02/2019 17:24, Sidorela Uku wrote:
>>
>> I have worked with the website this week to improve it even further. I
>> think it looks better if there is a background photo/image. [1]
> 
> Yep, it's looking good, thanks for working on it!
> 
>> I think we should migrate the code on github now, here:
>> https://github.com/LibreOffice
>>
>> What do you think?
> 
> Sure, we can do that -- but in the meantime, shall we make this live by
> making whatcanidoforlibreoffice.org redirect to
> https://collective68.pages.collective68.tech/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice/ ?>
> I know that's not the most elegant way to do it, but it could take a
> while to get the other bits done (I'm not sure about the technical
> requirements), whereas pointing the .org URL at the existing site should
> be a simple job for the infra team.
> 
> What do you think -- are we ready to go live? Sophie, any thoughts? It's
> such a great idea, that I'd like to start promoting it soon :-)

I fully agree :) If it's a final version, I'll send a mail to l10n teams
to get more translations (and try to finish mine this week-end ;)
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The Default Currency for Nigeria is divisive

2019-02-22 Thread sophi
Hi Onyeibo,

Le 22/02/2019 à 02:37, Onyeibo Oku a écrit :
> Good morning everyone,
> 
> Recently, I tried to configure locale and Currency settings in
> Libreoffice 6.2 to reflect my nationality.  I ended up with mixed-
> feelings.  I was happy to see that the developers/designers considered
> Nigeria.  However, the currency tag or short-description there
> presented only one tribe in the multilingual country.  Nigerians are
> sensitive to issues suggesting that one tribe has national privileges
> over the rest.  Which is why an entry (currency) bearing "NGN
>  Hausa (Nigeria)" is bad marketing for Nigeria.
> 
> Nigeria has three major tribes (with associated languages) namely: 
> Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba.  To avoid conflict between these tribes (and
> others), vendors tend to present their product messages using the
> national Language (English). Otherwise, all major languages will be
> represented.
> 
> I suggest that the LibreOffice team should consider replacing the word
> "Hausa" on that entry with "English" or provide entries for other
> tribes as well.  This issue bothers on the Currency symbol and its
> associated tag and not about Language settings.
> 
> I hope my observation is not convoluted

Thanks a lot for your feedback. As you know the product is driven by the
community and most of the time implementation is done upon interest by
members. And as Italo said, it is inherited from OOo because we miss
people like you to prevent such issues. I guess the best way to solve it
is to implement the two other tribes that are not represented. Would you
like to help us in doing so? If yes, drop me a private mail and I'll
follow-up with you.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice micro site

2019-02-15 Thread sophi
Hi Sidorela,
Le 13/02/2019 à 09:56, Sidorela Uku a écrit :
> Hi Mike, Cor, Sophie
> 
> Thank you for your feedback.
Thanks for your work :)
> 
> During this time we fully translated tests in Albanian, so to have at least
> one more language in the page when we launch it.

I'll prepare the French translation during our workshop tomorrow.

> Also did some changes with logo and button colors. I think the site would
> look nice with e featured background image from one of LibreOffice events
> or something related to LibreOffice.

I agree :)
> 
> @Mike Before proceeding with the domain, we should migrate the repo under
> LibreOffice on github. This can be done within this week. We can make other
> changes directly from there. I would suggest not to launch it directly, but
> waiting some more days for feedback from community. Maybe more resources
> can be added. Saying that I think it's better not promote it at this
> moments, as some more improvements can be made.
> The promo campaign also needs some thought and should be done in a
> coordinated way in our opinion. Of course we can proceed with some
> proposals in the next weeks if you agree.
> 
> @Cor Now we have a sitemap structure set up like this:
> https://git.collective68.tech/Collective68/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice/wikis/Sitemap-structure
> It can be changed at any time, to have more options or improvements in
> content and the idea is to add more vontent and improve based on comments
> from the community. I think that the information can be more structured to
> make it easier to find a way of contribution to LibreOffice.
> 
> @Sophie I think that would be good to have a short sentence above, as a
> call for action everytime a category gets chosen. But agree that we should
> change those quotes with something shorter.

I understand and I agree here also
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] plea to remove in-app advertising from LibreOffice

2019-01-31 Thread sophi
Hi Jean-François,
Le 30/01/2019 à 18:33, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
> Mike,
> 
> I share what Justin has rightly stated: most users will *not*
> participate *any* software in any way. They are being using software
> because they want their job done. Point.
> 
> Le 30/01/2019 à 10:16, Mike Saunders a écrit :
>>
>> Thanks for raising this. I just want to offer my perspective:
>>
>> I closely monitor the social media channels for LibreOffice and TDF
>> (Twitter with 23,000 followers, Facebook with 54,000 page likes, Google+
>> with 16,000 followers), along with Reddit and other sites.
> 
> I'm managing ca. 1000 civil servant users which I encourage to install
> at home the very software they're using at work (namely LibreOffice).
> Most of them ignore what a social media is (well, they have heard about
> it in the news, usually for bad). So, as thorough it might be, your
> social media monitoring is biased: (libre software) social media are not
> for John Doe, but for geeks only. And, you're right, some geeks might help.

And your view might be biased by the French culture. Just compare
Telegram groups, Indonesian has almost 1650 members (are they all
geeks?) where French has only 15, add no FB group, a dead G+ one, very
small Twitter account and I'll avoid speaking about Ask. So it's an
overall point of view to be considered here on what we want to achieve.
The position saying 'because they are not aware of TDF needs, then they
don't care and there should be no change' is exactly what would
endangered our projects.
As Italo said, it's maybe no the best way to attract contributors, so
let's work on a better solution and positive moves for both TDF and
users, but better based on statistics and not only good feelings :)

Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice micro site

2019-01-24 Thread sophi
Hi Sidorela,

Le 14/01/2019 à 20:19, Sidorela Uku a écrit :
> Hi Sophie, Mike
> 
> Thank you for your comments and feedback. It's really important to get
> feedback from the community to improve the site even further.
> The site is not finished yet, there are still things to improve from the
> texts and design. Considering your comments, the following changes were
> made:
> 
> From: "What's your area of expertise?"  TO "What area interests you?"

Great, thanks :)
> 
>>
>> On a general remark, I would remove the line above the item, for
>> example when clicking on 'Tell me more', this line 'So you like
>> helping and mentoring other people? You could join' is displayed, and
>> for me it's not needed. It's not present under the Marketing part and
>> I find it clearer.
> 
> @Sophie you mean to remove totally the line  'So you like helping and
> mentoring other people? You could join' or replace it with something else?

I mean to remove it totally
>>
>> Under Documentation, the same line shows 'So you like sharing what you
>> know? You could teach' for Books and Help Content item, again I don't
>> find it necessary or if you want to keep it, change it to 'You could
>> write'. And for Documentation I would add 'Video Tutorials' and 'Write
>> Tutorials'.
> 
> 
> Added as a note for the updates we are going to do, to add 'Video
> Tutorials' and 'Write Tutorials' under Documentation.

Thanks!
> 
>> On Infrastructure, I would replace 'Learn' by 'Participate' or
>> something more inclusive than just learning which gives an impression
>> of lurking
> 
> This is done.
> 
>> On Translation and Localization, I would do a translation part which
>> concerns documentation, websites, marketing materials, and a
>> localization part which concerns LibreOffice products or infrastructure.
>>
>> On Advocacy, there is a typo in 'Give presantations' vs 'Give
>> presentations'. Edited.
> 
> For the links not working, please check below:
> Sitemap:
> https://git.collective68.tech/Collective68/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice/wikis/Sitemap-structure
> 
> Translations:
> https://git.collective68.tech/Collective68/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice/wikis/translations
> 
> 
Ok, I've been able to see the content now,

>> I have a last question, is the site accessible? I've tried to navigate
>> through the page, but I'm only able to change the language, not to
>> navigate through the buttons.
> 
> Yes the site is accessible. In the above link for the sitemap, you can
> move through the buttons on the tree, and the last step is a link from
> an outside resource. Javascript needs to be enabled on the browser also.

great
> 
> On the next steps, some changes to do:
> - we need to add 'cookie policy' and maybe also 'privacy policy'
> - manage translations. From the link I shared we can translate by
> editing the code files. We will have a look maybe to use a translation
> platform, to make it easier for community to get involved.

I can distribute the code file to the l10n community, it's not long and
easier than setting a project under Pootle. And collect the translated
file when it's done.

> - Improve design and graphics. Replace LO logo and favicon.
> 
> Those are some notes weworked with these days.
> 
> In terms of next steps, would be nice if we worked back and forth on
> this for the next weeks untill January and transfer the code to an
> official TDF or LibreOffice owned git repo with the ultimate goal of
> going live in February.
> 
> What do you think?

Thanks a lot for your work :)
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice micro site

2019-01-04 Thread sophi
Hi Sidorela, all

First, thanks a lot for your work, I really like the design :)
Le 27/12/2018 à 22:43, Sidorela Uku a écrit :
> Helloall,
> 
> Great to be part of the LO marketing mailing list. This is my first post
> here and I'm happy to update you on the work that Collective68 has been
> doing during this time for WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice site. Please check
> them and feel free to share your thoughts with us, feedback is always
> welcome :)
> 
> Repository of the code:
> https://git.collective68.tech/Collective68/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice
> 
> Preview of the site:
> https://collective68.pages.collective68.tech/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice

On a general remark, I would remove the line above the item, for example
when clicking on 'Tell me more', this line 'So you like helping and
mentoring other people? You could join' is displayed, and for me it's
not needed. It's not present under the Marketing part and I find it clearer.

Under Documentation, the same line shows 'So you like sharing what you
know? You could teach' for Books and Help Content item, again I don't
find it necessary or if you want to keep it, change it to 'You could
write'. And for Documentation I would add 'Video Tutorials' and 'Write
Tutorials'.

On Infrastructure, I would replace 'Learn' by 'Participate' or something
more inclusive than just learning which gives an impression of lurking

On Translation and Localization, I would do a translation part which
concerns documentation, websites, marketing materials, and a
localization part which concerns LibreOffice products or infrastructure.

On Advocacy, there is a typo in 'Give presantations' vs 'Give
presentations'.

> 
> Sitemap with the content of the site is documented here:
> https://collective68.pages.collective68.tech/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice(based
> on the discussion and feedback from LibreOffice marketing mailing list
> and video calls)

I can't access the link (even when removing (based)
> 
> At the moment site is only in English and half Albanian. We have
> documented one wayof doing translations on the site here:
> https://collective68.pages.collective68.tech/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice

Same here, I can't access the translation part
> For the next steps, the idea is to gather feedback based on the preview
> link mentioned above and we agree on this list on which we have quite a
> good progress, we propose to transfer the code on LibreOffice or TDF
> online infrastructure and make it easier for even more people who are
> interested to improve the project even more. After this stage also the
> documentation on how to get involved will be added as well.
> 
> /Design for the site:/
>     We had three proposals. Which are uploaded also in our git works:
> https://git.collective68.tech/Collective68/our-works/tree/master/WhatCanIDoForLibreOffice
> 
> Now we have proceed with the first version from those. Feedback from the
> community is welcomed.
> Please let me know if you have any other question regarding the site. In
> my opinion,the next step is to host it somewhere else, maybe at
> LibreOffice GitHub projects (https://github.com/LibreOffice). When you
> have some feedback on this, let me know where the code should be
> uploaded to be visible for all the community.

I have a last question, is the site accessible? I've tried to navigate
through the page, but I'm only able to change the language, not to
navigate through the buttons.

Otherwise, I agree with Mike remark and his proposal.
Again, thanks a lot for your great work!
Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] [libo-marketing-priv] Marketing Conference Call

2018-11-06 Thread sophi
Hi Alexandr,
Le 06/11/2018 à 10:27, Alexandr Šnajdar a écrit :
> not sure to make it this Thursday (having a long meeting)
> 
> food for thought - how about localisation - of the marketing
> activities - starting with translations; English is a barrier for most
> of potential (end)users

Thanks for your feedback. We are translating marketing material (press
releases, videos subtitles, leaflets, etc.). If you would like to join,
ping me and I'll explain you how to follow-up.
Cheers
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[libreoffice-marketing] Pad for the annual report

2018-11-05 Thread sophi
Hi all,

The pad available to collect the activities of the community is of great
help for Italo and Mike when they write the annual report, they don't
have to search right and left for all of what happen in our vibrant
project :)

https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport

Could you take care to fill this year activities in your area?

Thanks a lot in advance!
Cheers
Sophie
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Hilighting Entry-Level Talks at the next LibreOffice conference

2018-10-02 Thread sophi
Hi Bjoern,

Le 02/10/2018 à 18:49, Bjoern Michaelsen a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> at this years LibreOffice conference, I gave a talk about a very, very 
> specific
> technical topic on Writer internals. I assume maybe a dozen souls were really
> the right target audience for it. I dont think the talk was a waste of time, 
> as
> I hope it still is very helpful for these folks.
> 
> Still, I can imagine an unsuspecting audience member being turned off by the
> talk as it gave little to build from for someone new on the project.
> 
> I wonder if for the next conference, we should (self-?)label at least 
> technical
> talks as e.g. "beginner" or "advanced". With that, when scheduling the 
> conference
> we can take this into account and allow at least one talk in a slot to be
> suitable for newcomers to the project AND we can explicitly mark those talk in
> the program, which should help onboarding a lot.

That's a good idea :)
> 
> Looking at the schedule and the other talks, I assume I wasnt alone in having 
> a
> tech talk only suitable for a small subset of attendees (but I will try to do
> better next time: An onboarding talk for a wider audience usually is less work
> than a deeply specific one for a small expert audience).
> 
> (Marketing ML isnt the best fit for this topic, but as next years conference 
> is
> far off, I considered it my best bet. Also: confere...@global.libreoffice.org
> seems to be missing on nabble and on
> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/conference/ seems to have stopped
> publishing ~a year ago.)

I collect the feedback over years on our pad:
https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/conference
I'll add your proposal to the program part.

Cheers
Sophie

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