[Marxism] 15 foods you should never eat
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Re: [Marxism] 15 foods you should never eat
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Re: [Marxism] Being (with Counterpunch) determines consciousness (about Counterpunch)
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: In defense of Counterpunch | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: In defense of Counterpunch | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * so you're vouching for her honesty now? i call bullshit on that. i for one question the honesty of the methodology. the cherry picking of the selection is exactly what's at issue. as louis already pointed out not only does she ignore the majority of articles written for cp to conjure an impression that it's primarily a white supremacist rag but she even picks writers who have not written for cp and suggests their absence means counterpunch is rightist. so what about naomi klein and howard zinn (really any of the names on the left she searched)? She counted zero articles from these two commentators. what she doesn't address at all is how many articles these people submitted to cp. and why? is it possible it's because they submitted zero articles? we don't know and likely ms. hendrick doesn't know either because she didn't say anything about it. is this what you mean by honest? with ms. klein it isn't hard to figure out why she doesn't have any articles on counterpunch. alex cockburn was rather harsh on her shock doctrine, saying that it completely disregarded the rise of india. she's found other outlets. why submit to a rag that found her lightweight? but no! it was because cp are closeted white supremacists! i might have expected to find howard zinn on counterpunch but there's nothing in ms. hendricks article that could even address that his absence is because cp is hostile to him. rather, when you search cp you find that they gave voice to many expressions of admiration for zinn. could his absence from cp possibly be because he was generally loyal to zcom and the progressive and toward the end gave mostly interviews anyway? no! it had to be because he was shunned due to cp's racism! and of course, this is it what it means to meet your standard for honesty. look, cp is far from perfect. i never liked paul craig roberts and nothing's changed in that regard. but alex found he liked his take on neocon economics and i suppose enjoyed the irony of a former reaganite pounding the bush administration. i also suppose that alex had an appreciation for being the resident socialist on the wsj editorial board and felt that his readers too could benefit from hearing from a broader political criticism at a time the left had become pretty much impotent. that this somehow became an advance of a third position looks pretty much like some masochistic fantasy. there are loads of problems with hendrick's piece that destroy all claims of honesty. but i quit. i feel like i've wasted time arguing about something that's obvious on it's face. Jeff, you are a trained scientist. Can you take those statistics seriously? No, and I know for a fact that the author isn't very comfortable with those statistics (the left vs. right article count) either but it was the best she could do (I learned first-hand how hard it was to accurately query the Counterpunch site by author in order to get such figures) and was an honest attempt to quantify the problem. She worked yet harder to look through articles for their attitudes toward Ron Paul, Gilad Atzmon, and the Israeli lobby controls American foreign policy line (in the other tables). If someone believes that she intentionally biased the results (so-called cherry-picking) then they should repeat the exercise and report their figures. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (akaQuerfront)?
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Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (aka Querfront)?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i'm not saying it's true. i'm saying there is a rational claim worthy of consideration. obviously, there is a rebuttal. the weaker claim that cp is diluting its left credentials by providing a forum for the libertarian (that's what i'll call it) right seems worthy of consideration I do not agree with this. Right-libertarians are obviously not leftist, but how are they any more of a dilution than, say, various liberal voices? I doubt anyone is willing to suggest that *The Nation* or *The Guardian* are diluting left credentials by running pieces from liberal authors that do not engage in class analysis and the like. In fact, when you consider the variety of voices that exist and float around on the left, Ron Paulists are particularly *good*, if not anti-capitalist. They are the ones who opposed the Iraq invasion, the PATRIOT Act, the anti-Muslim mob at Ground Zero, etc. Compared to the Progressive Except Palestine crowd I'd rather hear from them. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (aka Querfront)?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks dennis. clearly, she cherry-picked. the branding of her targets as white supremacists, racists and fascists causes most of her trouble i think. i agree with amith that it sounded like earlier attacks from nutty pro-zionists, who repeatedly launched accusations of antisemitism against alexander cockburn. the left has a lingering problem and this is emblematic of what's eating it. however, i will agree that counting articles can raise legitimate questions, just not this hysteria. - Original Message - From: Dennis Brasky via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 7:15:04 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (aka Querfront)? POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * CP co-editor Joshua Frank replies on my Facebook page - We publish 100 articles a week, she's singling out 3 writers at most, which we publish on occasion - of course not all of their stuff. For instance, we don't run PCR's crazy 9/11 truth theories. But I'm sure that the editorial collective (Jeff and myself) has an agenda to team up with the far-right. Very obvious. Talk about conspiracy theories. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism the case for cp being a white supremacist/fascist periodical is overstated by half and undermines mr. greenstein's credibility. the limits of such a quantitative analysis are obvious. i'd really hate to waste too much time on such bizarre argumentation. if i have to i'm willing to address some of the particulars but, really, isn't even a cursory look at the evidence enough? the weaker claim that cp is diluting its left credentials by providing a forum for the libertarian (that's what i'll call it) right seems worthy of consideration. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (aka Querfront)?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * the case for cp being a white supremacist/fascist periodical is overstated by half and undermines mr. greenstein's credibility. the limits of such a quantitative analysis are obvious. i'd really hate to waste too much time on such bizarre argumentation. if i have to i'm willing to address some of the particulars but, really, isn't even a cursory look at the evidence enough? the weaker claim that cp is diluting its left credentials by providing a forum for the libertarian (that's what i'll call it) right seems worthy of consideration. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:56:58 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (aka Querfront)? POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 7/22/15 11:38 AM, Jeff via Marxism wrote: But the issue to me isn't Counterpunch magazine in particular, but the extremely dangerous effects of allowing far-right/racist/nationalist forces to infiltrate our discourse and our movements, as Counterpunch is more or less guilty of. And the numerous political errors affecting a greater or lesser part of the left which can be attributed to the loss of clarity thereby arising. I'd like to see this matter widely discussed and addressed by those of us who care about class struggle, rather than simply being anti-government, or in today's emerging parlance anti-imperialist. I'll be getting around to the Greenstein article that I have not read yet but only glanced at. But it will only be after I am finished writing a follow-up to my last piece on the technical IT issues related to a Grexit. Greenstein has a rather flattering photo of me from about 17 years ago taken by my old friend Fred Baker with this caption: the ex-Marxist Louis Proyect - excuses the reactionary politics of Counterpunch. Now I confess to being many things: obnoxious, sarcastic, narcissistic and cruel. But ex-Marxist? Really? I'll have more to say about that anon. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Counterpunch promoting left-right alliance (aka Querfront)?
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: When the Internet’s ‘Moderators’ Are Anything But - The New York Times
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * hehe. however, what ms. chen is describing sounds a lot like good old democratic impulse. 200,000 signatures in a relatively closed community? careful reading easily shows that the abuse didn't necessarily come from any of the signators. the clarion call against extremists sounds a lot like private cabals resenting the hallowed halls being overrun by the uninitiated masses. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:29:22 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: When the Internet’s ‘Moderators’ Are Anything But - The New York Times POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Uh-oh. Looks like the NY Times caught up with me. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/magazine/when-the-internets-moderators-are-anything-but.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The moderator's note
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis, I completely understand your frustration but second Michael's appeal for another chance. The list simply is better with as many differing views as possible. Some of these views are wildly contrary to my own but I find their airing to be instructive and actually help in forming a stronger set of beliefs. But I'm not unsubbing. You are perfectly within your rights. In any event it was your essays that drew me here, not Jim Creegan's. But please reconsider. - Original Message - From: Michael Karadjis via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: James Creegan sectaria...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 6:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] The moderator's note POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Louis, please let's start this over. I don't want someone to be kicked off due to him replying to a post of mine. Jim may have lashed out at other times (we all get hot under the collar, including you and I) but this reply of his was hardly a fire and brimstone sectarian rant. We need this discussion because no-one around here, except those living in Greece, really has any real idea of what the hell. We're all expressing our opinions and learning from each others' points. I'd probably be saying something different this week and something different last week. It is also a matter of interpretation how to interpret the marxmail guidelines you sent. Jim was doing what he thinks is class analysis. I profoundly disagree with his interpretation of class analysis. But having a form of analysis I disagree with doesn't prove he is playing at being Trotsky or being the best Bolshevik. And this list would lose hugely if it also meant people like Andrew Pollack and Marv Gandall were unsubbed as well. Let's start again and all agree to be respectful in this discussion. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] IRS Threatens Sierra Club - This Forgotten Day in S.F.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: New FBI files show wide range of Black Panther informant’s activities | Reveal
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Delmore’s Way | The Nation
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. i don't read the nation much anymore but this couldn't be more timely for me. i read anatole broyard's kafka was the rage a couple of months ago and just bought a copy of schwartz' story collection in dreams begin responsibilities. broyard recounts a funny evening when he took schwartz, dwight macdonald and clement greenberg dancing in harlem. kafka was the rage is a slim, minor account of the village at an important time. i recommend it. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 12:02:13 PM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Delmore’s Way | The Nation POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Delmore Schwartz is to Jewish-American writing what Richard Wright is to African-American writing. He is the writer without whom, the one whose work most supremely constitutes the bridge between immigrant writing and the writing we now think of as authentically Jewish-American. As such, his work is both moving and instructive. It embodies the step inevitably taken by a marginalized people on their way to cultural equality, the one that requires them to practice imitation at the highest level at the same time that their own native material is subverting the conventional rules of the game. full: http://www.thenation.com/article/208945/delmores-way _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * not sure if american senator's responses are useful to this group but if anyone is interested i can continue to forward as they come. - Original Message - From: sena...@feinstein.senate.gov To: lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 7:34:06 AM Subject: U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein responding to your message Dear Ms. Faulkner : Thank you for contacting me to express concern about the USA PATRIOT Act. I recognize that this is an important issue to you, and I welcome the opportunity to share my point of view. As you may be aware, on May 26, 2011, Congress passed, with strong bi-partisan support, legislation to extend three expiring provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act – known as roving wiretaps, lone wolf, and business records provisions – until June 1, 2015 (Pub. L. 112-14). It is important to note that all three of these authorities can only be used after being approved by a federal judge . These provisions do the following: * Roving wiretaps – before this authority was established, warrants could only be issued for a specific phone number. In the modern age of telecommunications, terrorists were able to evade surveillance simply by switching phones, which is easily done with throwaway cell phones. Thus, the roving wiretap authority simply authorizes a judge to issue a surveillance order that is specific to the suspect terrorist, rather than specific to a particular phone number. * Lone wolf – the lone wolf provision allows for court-ordered surveillance of foreigners who engage in international terrorism but for whom an association with a specific international terrorist group has not yet been determined. * Business records – finally, Section 215, or the business records section, allows the government to obtain business records relating to a suspected terrorist if it receives a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. This provision also provides the legal authority for the National Security Agency to receive information about phone calls (the phone numbers and the time and length of the call), pursuant to a court order. In the interest of making sure these provisions can't be abused, on November 18, 2014, I joined 57 of my Senate colleagues in voting to bring the USA FREEDOM Act to the Senate Floor for amendment and debate. This bill would have reauthorized these provisions in modified form. Unfortunately, it did not receive enough votes to overcome a filibuster, but I am committed to working with my colleagues in the new Congress to pass similar legislation to extend and reform these provisions, especially Section 215, before they expire in June of this year. I understand your concerns that these authorities may be misused. As Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I have seen how United States intelligence and law enforcement agencies have used these authorities, and I have come to believe that these programs are legal, properly controlled, and have not been widely abused. I take seriously my responsibility as Vice Chairman of the Intelligence Committee and will continue to vigorously pursue oversight over these programs by working to verify that these programs are conducted legally and with the proper safeguards. Again, thank you for taking the time to write. Your feedback on this subject is important to me, and I will keep it in mind as the Senate continues further extensions of the programs authorized by the USA PATRIOT Act. If you have any additional comments or questions, please do not hesitate to contact my Washington, D.C. office at (202) 224-3841. Sincerely yours, Dianne Feinstein United States Senator Further information about my position on issues of concern to California and the nation are available at my website, feinstein.senate.gov . And please visit my YouTube , Facebook and Twitter for more ways to communicate with me. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] US: Mexico Mass Graves Raise Alarming Questions about Government Complicity in September 2014 Cartel Killings
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Re: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo Award at PEN Gala Sparks More Debate
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. very glad to see some of the names on that list. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 7:59:56 AM Subject: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo Award at PEN Gala Sparks More Debate POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * NY Times, May 5 2015 Charlie Hebdo Award at PEN Gala Sparks More Debate By JENNIFER SCHUESSLER Guests at your typical $1,250-a-plate Manhattan fund-raiser usually face no quandary more urgent than “red or white?” But when representatives of the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo step onstage Tuesday to receive an award for “freedom of expression courage” at PEN American Center’s literary gala, the roughly 800 guests will face a more complicated choice: standing ovation, walkout or something in between? During the past week, the news that six prominent writers, including Peter Carey, Michael Ondaatje and Francine Prose, had pulled out as gala table hosts to protest what they saw as the magazine’s cultural intolerance and Islamophobia has set off an unusually intense war of words in the heart of the American literary establishment. The controversy has ricocheted across social media and op-ed pages worldwide, as partisans have traded impassioned arguments and sometimes ad hominem insults. By the weekend, more than 200 of PEN’s roughly 4,000 members — including Junot Díaz, Joyce Carol Oates, Lorrie Moore and Michael Cunningham — had signed a letter saying that the award crossed a line between “staunchly supporting expression that violates the acceptable, and enthusiastically rewarding such expression.” The debate is emotional and complex. But the battle lines are generally drawn between those who believe that PEN’s core mission includes celebrating Charlie Hebdo’s courageous perseverance after the Jan. 7 attack on its office by Muslim extremists that left 12 people dead and those who believe that the magazine’s cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad promote bigotry and reinforce the second-class status of a Muslim underclass in France. There has also been debate about the debate, with some seeing an example of fractious freedom of expression in action while others see a spectacle that has generated more heat than light. “With this boycott the Charlie Hebdo debate has come to embody all the limitations, and now the futility, of the freedom of expression argument vis-à-vis Muslims in particular and minorities in general,” Nesrine Malik, a Sudanese-born, London-based commentator, wrote in The Guardian. “We are trapped between people who see a knowing establishment prejudice against Muslims (and other ethnic or racial minorities) everywhere, and those who refuse to believe it exists,” she wrote. The controversy revives a debate that flared up in January over whether some of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons were racist. It is drawing in new partisans, and may take on greater urgency after the shootings on Sunday in Texas, where two gunmen, one of whom the F.B.I. had previously investigated for links to Islamic terrorism, attacked a conference organized by an anti-Islam group that included a Muhammad cartoon contest. To some, the bigoted nature of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons is clear. “It’s a racist publication,” Ms. Prose, a former president of PEN, told The Nation last week. “Let’s not beat about the bush.” The writer Luc Sante, who also signed the letter of protest, said that while the work of Georges Wolinski, one of the cartoonists killed in the attack, “was humane and large-spirited,” some of Charlie Hedbo’s contributors trafficked in “sophomoric troll humor.” “The fact alone that black and Arab people are offended by the way they were depicted — leaving religion to the side — should have made PEN think before celebrating Charlie Hebdo,” Mr. Sante said in an email. Defenders of the award counter that such arguments overlook the full scope and context of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons. They point to websites like Understanding Charlie Hebdo Cartoons, which offers detailed analysis of some of the magazine’s ruder images, or to a study published in Le Monde in February stating that, contrary to the notion that the publication focused obsessively on Islam, fewer than 2 percent of the magazine’s covers between 2005 and 2015
Re: [Marxism] Marxmail anniversary
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: AAUP Takes Illinois to Task in Report on Salaita Case - Faculty - The Chronicle of Higher Education
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[Marxism] Writers withdraw from PEN gala, cite honor for Charlie Hebdo
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Re: [Marxism] Song of the Week
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[Marxism] Song of the Week
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[Marxism] Balotelli targeted by 4, 000 racist messages on social media - report
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.espnfc.com/liverpool/story/2403623/mario-balotelli-targeted-by-more-that-4,000-racist-messages-via-social-media-report Mario Balotelli has been targeted with more than 4,000 racist messages via social media this season, according to new research from anti-discrimination body Kick It Out. Arsenal striker Danny Welbeck and Liverpool's Daniel Sturridge have also each received more than a thousand discriminatory messages. Overall, Kick It Out's research estimates there have been 134,000 discriminatory posts this season, and 39,000 of these directed towards Premier League players. The research was carried out by Tempero, a social media management agency, and analytics firm Brandwatch and looked at specific case studies including Liverpool striker Balotelli, Welbeck and Sturridge. The sheer volume of racist and other abuse on social media has prompted Kick It Out to form an expert group to tackle football-related hate crime across social media, working with football, the main social media platforms, organisations dealing with internet safety and the police. Kick It Out director Roisin Wood told Press Association Sport: It is really shocking. We knew there was an issue but even we were shocked by how many the players have received. For one player to have received over 8,000 abusive messages is phenomenally awful. You cannot accept players getting that level of abuse so we want to bring this expert group together to see how we can address this. We don't see the problem going away. Some of the perpetrators are young people and they need educating that you cannot sit in your room and abuse people like this. It is also an issue for the social media platforms and how they address this. The volume of hate messages directed towards Balotelli is a reflection both of his high profile and his own use of social media. There was a large spike in racist posts after he tweeted Man utd ... LOL when Manchester United were losing 5-3 to Leicester earlier this season. It prompted an explosion of abusive messages, some of them using the most grotesque racist language. Kick It Out only started receiving complaints of social media abuse during the 2012-13 season and has since started reporting the incidents to True Vision -- a national reporting facility which had been developed to deal with hate crime online. The games with the largest volume of discriminatory mentions relating to them were: Chelsea vs. Liverpool in the Capital One Cup on Jan. 27, Sunderland vs. Manchester United in the Premier League on Aug. 24 and Arsenal vs. Manchester City in the Community Shield on Aug. 10. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A vote to 86
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * this has gotten out of hand. 86 isn't a murderous threat. it's american police jargon for throwing someone out of a bar. - Original Message - From: Joseph Catron via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 9:33:14 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] A vote to 86 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Meh. I'm pretty used to violent threats from strange people on the Internet. There were times in Gaza when those of us with online presences would read our oddest ones out loud to entertain each other. But those, like this one, typically came from other continents, and often involved a bit more creativity. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 12:26 AM, A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com wrote: Last I checked it means kill someone, so this should constitute a violent threat. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] California delta's water mysteriously missing amid drought
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Re: [Marxism] Query
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * that sounds right on. the waste makers. hidden persuaders isn't about waste per se but rather about the foundation for waste. - Original Message - From: Dayne Goodwin via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 12:02:10 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Query POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Could it have been among the works of Vance Packard? something like The Waste Makers or The Hidden Persuaders... _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] ‘Patriot’ Terrorist Frames Muslims With Quran Bomb
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Re: [Marxism] A Water Dilemma in Michigan: Cloudy or Costly?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * piling on. let's not forget water privatization in bolivia. the solutions have already been tested. - Original Message - From: Andrew Pollack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:56:34 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] A Water Dilemma in Michigan: Cloudy or Costly? POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Off the top of my head, areas facing water theft/inaccessibility/etc., and resulting resistance: Detroit/Flint, California, Palestine, Ireland... gotta be others On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (It looks like filthy water is undermining Flint's transformation into a hipster utopia.) NY Times, Mar. 25 2015 A Water Dilemma in Michigan: Cloudy or Costly? By MITCH SMITH FLINT, Mich. — Depending on the day, Melissa Mays says, the water flowing out of her home’s faucets might have a blue tint. Or it might smell like mothballs. Or it might fill her home with the scent of an overchlorinated swimming pool. Lately, Ms. Mays, who is 36 and works in marketing, has not been turning on her tap much at all. After Flint changed the source of its drinking water last spring, Ms. Mays said, she noticed a change in the water’s color and odor. Then she started having rashes, and clumps of her hair fell out. When the city issued a boil order, she stopped using the water for drinking and cooking. Now her family spends roughly $400 a month on bottled water. “My cat gets bottled water, our plants get bottled water, our fish gets bottled water,” said Ms. Mays, who has helped organize marches to protest the water conditions and is on a city commission seeking input on how to move forward. “It takes four to five bottles of water to fill up a pot for spaghetti.” Flint officials insist that the city’s water is safe. They say that the issues of odor and color are separate from the question of whether the water meets federal standards, and that no link to health problems has been proved. “We understand the concerns about discoloration and odors,” said Gerald Ambrose, Flint’s state-appointed emergency manager. “We tell everyone who complains that we would be more than happy to come out to their house and test their water.” Mr. Ambrose’s position hints at deeper issues in Flint. Though the city has not declared bankruptcy, it has been in state receivership since 2011 and has deep-seated financial problems, which Mr. Ambrose was appointed to help untangle. Add to that a plummeting population and violent crime rates that rank among the nation’s worst, and the water question becomes one headache among many. The problems, almost everyone agrees, started shortly after the city, in an effort to save money, switched from the supply of treated Lake Huron water it had long purchased from Detroit and started drawing water from the Flint River, treating it locally. On Monday, Flint’s City Council voted to “do all things necessary” to reconnect to the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department. Mr. Ambrose’s response was swift. Flint water today is safe by all federal and state standards, he said in a statement Tuesday. “Water from Detroit is no safer than water from Flint,” he said. “Users also pay some of the highest rates in the state because of the decreased numbers of users and the age of the system.” A sign downtown still refers to Flint as Vehicle City. Older residents recall growing up in a place that 200,000 people called home, where good-paying jobs in the General Motors factories were plentiful. Today, many of the auto plants are gone, the population is below 100,000, and once-prosperous neighborhoods are dotted with abandoned homes and vacant lots. As Flint has shrunk, its network of water pipes built for a much larger metropolis has deteriorated. With fewer customers, water sometimes languishes in the system, becoming discolored. Moreover, water
Re: [Marxism] Frank Marshall Davis: Obama’s ‘Communist mentor’?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * it is funny and it's on the fringe here too though the fringe has some penetration into the media. to pick a nit i share this typo (i hope). or is it the kanye effect? Writings in his column, “Frank-ly Speaking,” showed he developed class-based ideologies that linked racism with classicism and fascism. linked racism with classicism? or then again. Louis, It was really amusing to see this level of paranoia in today's America about Communists. I thought the McCarthy mindset had gradually withered away as time passed. How can somebody believing in Marxist ideology be automatically labelled as involved in un-American activities. The Indian Communists may not be successful politically, but no one dares to call them Anti-India, except some hard core Hindu Fascists, who are on the fringe, though their party is in power now. People here in general are open minded about various ideologies.Vijaya Kumar Marla _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Poll Shows 47.8% of Greeks Trust SYRIZA and 84% Want the Euro | GreekReporter.com
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Re: [Marxism] Why are they targeting Sawant? | SocialistWorker.org
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Are You A Socialist? | Personality Quiz
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 13 Years in the Slammer ... for Two Joints? | Alternet
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * meanwhile people walk freely in san francisco smoking pot openly. the smell of marijuana is everywhere. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 3:49:51 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: 13 Years in the Slammer ... for Two Joints? | Alternet POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Bernard Noble has already spent nearly four years in a Louisiana prison for being caught with two marijuana cigarettes—and he's still less than a third of the way through a 13-year sentence with no shot at parole. The sentence is outrageous, but hardly unique in a state with one of the harshest marijuana laws in the country. full: http://www.alternet.org/drugs/louisiana-man-13-years-prison-two-joints _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Alexander Kazbegi's The Patricide
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Re: [Marxism] Prominent Putin critic Boris Nemtsov shot dead near Kremlin
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[Marxism] Berkeley study directly IDs climate change culprit
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Berkeley-experts-study-strengthens-human-link-6101054.php Scientists training their instruments on the skies have caught the world’s major greenhouse gas right in the act of warming the planet, researchers reported Wednesday, providing the first direct evidence that human activity is dangerously altering the environment. The instruments captured more than a decade of rising surface temperatures, changes that were directly triggered by the atmosphere’s increasing burden of carbon dioxide, a team of scientists from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and UC Berkeley reported. That gas, whose main source is emissions from burning fossil fuels, has long been the principal culprit in global warming investigations by the vast majority of the world’s climate scientists. Its rising levels in the atmosphere have been the basis for increasingly strong warnings about global warming by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change , known as the IPCC. 'A technological coup’ “We have known for decades that there must be an effect, but getting a direct measurement and isolating the carbon dioxide component are a technological coup,” Christopher B. Field , a senior scientist at the Carnegie Institution for Science at Stanford University who has led two major IPCC reports, said in an e-mail. The Berkeley scientists’ study, he said, provides concrete evidence for the first time of carbon dioxide’s effect on global warming. In November, the U.N. panel issued its fifth and most alarming report on the effects of greenhouse gas emissions. It warned that global ice caps are melting, Arctic sea ice is diminishing, droughts, heat waves and storms are intensifying, coral reefs are dying, and many creatures on land and in the sea are migrating toward the poles. Documenting warming Daniel R. Feldman , a senior scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, along with other physicists and engineers at the lab and at UC Berkeley, reported Wednesday in the journal Nature on their findings about “radiative forcing” — the process through which carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere can block the Earth from reflecting the sun’s radiant energy and actually warm the atmosphere. The scientists used an array of extremely precise instruments that the U.S. Department of Energy has installed at its climate research facilities near Barrow, Alaska, and Lamont, Okla., to document how the warming works. In effect, their instruments measured the amount of infrared heat radiation coming down to the Earth’s surface from the sun, and the amount of heat radiation the Earth emits back up. And when the Berkeley scientists examined their data from 2000 to 2010, they found that some of the heat from Earth was being blocked by carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and were able to calculate how much of that blocked heat was warming the planet. Tough to visualize The result of the warming, expressed in mathematical and engineering terms, appears tiny and difficult to visualize: It amounted to two-tenths of a watt per square meter of surface per decade. But the Earth’s surface covers a lot of square meters — 510 million square kilometers, in fact, and two-tenths of a watt over 10 years can mean a lot of heat for global warming. The IPCC’s November report calculates that the Earth’s entire surface has already warmed by 1.53degrees Fahrenheit since 1882. The Berkeley scientists measured the direct effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and after excluding all the other greenhouse gases and water vapor as sources, they reported that levels of the gas had increased in the atmosphere by 22 parts per million between 2000 and 2010. The effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth’s heat balance have long been understood by climate scientists, who have calculated them in their theories of climate change. But this is the first time the balance has been confirmed by laboratory instruments, according to Feldman and his colleagues. “Our findings provide direct confirmation of the IPCC’s findings,” Feldman said in an interview. Although he did not discuss the political controversy generated by climate-change deniers, he added, “We can hope now that people everywhere will be convinced that the IPCC’s reports have been correct.” Ken Caldeira , a physicist, climate change expert and also a senior scientist at the Carnegie Institution for Science at Stanford who was not connected to the Feldman group’s research, said of their calculations that “the underlying physics is robust and was never in question.” He
[Marxism] Port of Oakland shut down by union meeting
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[Marxism] Brazil drought: water rationing alone won't save Sao Paulo
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * just heard from sao paolo where they are having a serious drought. wouldn't know it from u.s. news. seems to be a news blackout. of all sources only fox news appears to have reported. in california where we are anticipating another year of drought, it has just been predicted that the state will see megadrought in the latter half of the century. http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/feb/11/brazil-drought-ngo-alliance-50-ngos-saving-water-collapse It should be the rainy season. Instead Sao Paulo state is experiencing a third consecutive year with soaring temperatures and rainfall patterns well below historic records. The main water reservoirs are operating at their lowest capacity. The Cantareira reservoir system , which serves more than nine million people in the state, is only 5% full. At the Alto Tietê reservoir network , which supplies three million people in greater Sao Paulo, water levels are below 15%. Simple calculations indicate that given the current level of consumption versus the predicted raining patterns there is only enough water on the system to last four to six months. That means the water could run out before the next rainy season starts in November. State officials recently announced a potential rationing program of five days without water and two days with, in case the February and March rains do not refill the reservoirs. This extreme climate scenario, combined with a series of management flaws, political negligence and a culture of waste and pollution, is bringing the largest metropolitan region of Brazil to the brink of collapse. Since 2013, after decades of warnings about misguided development policies and destructive land use practices, experts and civil society organisations have been calling for increasingly strong measures to reduce water consumption to keep the minimum secure levels for supply reservoirs. The calls have been ignored by the state government – the system’s main operator – and federal and municipal authorities turned a blind eye to the severity of the situation. The government took a few small steps in early 2014, such as offering a discount on water bills for people who voluntarily reduced their consumption. It also increased supply from the Billings and Guarapiranga reservoirs, but as these sources receive most of the urban waste from Sao Paulo, the water needs to be carefully tested and treated to be adequate for human consumption, adding to the complexity of securing safe water supply during the drought. The government’s main initiative has been to reduce pressure on the distribution network, so that it pumps less water through the system. As the measure was not officially recognised by leaders or the media, people were unprepared to live without drinkable water for a couple of days when the supply glitches started to happen. Taken by the population as a de facto rationing, the lack of transparency about the times and places affected by pressure reduction caused more problems and increased distrust among Sao Paulo’s citizens. The recovery measures adopted so far account for a 22% reduction on the water volume extracted from reservoirs. Experts, however, advise that the reduction should be around 50% to sustain the minimal conditions needed for the system. Many might be surprised that such a scenario is happening in a tropical country famous for its abundance of natural resources, crossed by hundreds of rivers and with plenty of underground water. But for regional environmentalists and experts it comes as no surprise. They have been raising the alarm on water pollution and campaigning for watershed protection and safety standards since the 1980s. But scientific and technical reports, advocacy measures and pressures on companies were lost among the apparently unstoppable powers of real estate, agriculture and industry development. Urban land use, extensive monocultures and illegal occupation of watersheds have damaged and polluted the water production areas, jeopardising their capacity to survive and recover from extended dry seasons. National development policies strongly focus on macro-infrastructure plans such as large hydrodams, ports and roads, the expansion of agribusiness into the Amazon, and the predatory mining industry. These sustain the exports of soya, beef and pig iron while being responsible for the majority of Brazilian greenhouse gas emissions. More and more scientific studies show the link between deforestation in the north and the reduction of rainfall in the southeast, presenting further
Re: [Marxism] James L. Dolan, a Consummate 1 Percenter
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Lincoln for the Left? » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. the interview is a bit fluffy and vague. that socialists should look to lincoln for guidance seems a bit of a stretch. i still hold to the opinion buhle attributes to william appleman williams, that lincoln was a railroad lawyer working for the advancement of industrial-agricultural capitalism and empire. i didn't know williams held that view but am glad that he did. i am not aware of any book that thoroughly address lincoln's capital connections. however, there is a little regarded book by edwin sunderland entitled abraham lincoln and the illinois central railroad that lays a foundation. that lincoln also was a complex man, a man with whom one may share some opinions, a man of great personal gifts, not least of which was his ability to write for posterity can be acknowledged without conceding this most important point. http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/10/lincoln-for-the-left/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] St. Petersburg's Channel Five shows how Russia can easily invade the whole of Europe
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * they started the celebration early in the ukraine. *Channel Five: The Victory Parade Can Happen in Warsaw, Berlin, and even Washington* ccording to the broadcast segment, it is only 1,300 kilometers from Moscow to Warsaw, so the T-90 tank could enter the suburbs in less than twenty-four hours. During this time, airborne troops, who need only two hours for redeployment, would be able to rehearse the parade, rest, iron their parade uniforms, and cook a festive meal of buckwheat porridge and stewed meat. The TV journalists also reminded viewers that it is only 1,800 kilometers to Berlin: For a modern army, that is no distance, all the more so because many Russian officers know their way around the city. Well, and Prague, Helsinki, and Vilnius are all very close, so the Russian Army could go there on foot, the journalists added. Channel Five also pondered more distant routes, such as London and Washington. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] L.A. Unified sides with farmworkers union in dispute with grower
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-la-unified-backs-ufw-20150210-story.html The Los Angeles Board of Education on Tuesday sided with United Farm Workers in its dispute with an agricultural firm, calling on the company to honor a labor contract. The vote was 6 to 0, with one abstention, and was greeted with rousing approval by dozens of union members who were on hand. The resolution called on Gerawan Farming “to comply with state and federal laws, including labor relations, anti-discrimination, and minimum wage and hour laws, and to immediately implement the agreement issued by the neutral mediator and the state of California.” The resolution also directed district staff to review the company’s “compliance with fair labor practices” should it be part of any potential contracts with the L.A. Unified School District. “Gerawan already owes its thousands of workers millions of dollars in pay raises and other benefits,” UFW President Arturo S. Rodriguez told the board. “Yet Gerawan fiercely resists its workers at every turn, committing some of the most flagrant labor law violations in California history.” In an interview, the company’s co-owner denied any wrongdoing and challenged the validity of the contract. There is no contract,” said Dan Gerawan. “There is a government order.” Gerawan insisted that most of the company’s employees side with management. He wrote to the board, defending the company's practices and compensation package. He urged L.A. officials to stay out of the dispute, but the labor-friendly body showed no hesitation deciding which side deserved its support. There are charges of unethical conduct on both sides and a disputed union election. The Fresno company employs 5,000 and grows peaches, plums, nectarines and grapes. “This is not something we can look away from,” said board member Steve Zimmer, after donning a red farmworkers T-shirt. “Our contracts are our values.” Zimmer said the nation’s second-largest school system can and should use its influence to promote the best labor and environmental standards. Board member Tamar Galatzan abstained. A spokeswoman said Galatzan doesn't believe the matter is an issue for the board because Gerawan is not a district vendor. Gerawan has supplied a relatively small amount of produce as a district subcontractor in the past. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Summer of Blood: The Peasants' Revolt of 1381
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Re: [Marxism] Delhi State Elections
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thank you. congratulations to delhi from san francisco. hopefully, power won't corrupt the aap as it has so many other parties that swept to power as the reformist party. it would be lovely to see the people of delhi push the aap in a leftward direction as the party has resisted so far. it is being reported that the aap will consent to the bjp being the leader of opposition even though it is short the some 3-4 seats necessary. what is the thinking here? - Original Message - From: Marla Vijaya kumar via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 6:49:37 AM Subject: [Marxism] Delhi State Elections POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Today's poll results of Delhi State (India's capital Region) has given a big moral boost to all those who oppose the Fascist BJP, which is holding power In India. The AAP (Common Man's Party), headed by Arvind Kejrival had bagged 67 of the 70 seats, with BJP sulking far behind with 3 seats. The Congress Party, which ruled the state for 15 years, drew a blank.According to poll analysts, the massive verdict is the result of disenchantment of the poor and middle classes with the undiluted neo-liberal policies put in place by Modi in his 8 months of rule. People of Delhi have not taken kindly to issues like 1) BJP and its outfits fanning religious tensions between Hindus and Muslims and Chritians 2) Unpreceedented rise in power and water tariffs, following their privatisation 3) Issues of womens' safety (many orthodox and fanatic BJP leaders blamed women for the rapes) 4) CorruptionModi promised Good Days, with his rise to power. But now, the tweets go about declaring that with the def eat of BJP in Delhi, Good Days are really going to arrive.Modi statred a campaign Clean India Campaign: but the tweeters decalred that with the sweeping out of BJP, the Clean India program has really taken off. Incidentally, AAP's polly symbol is 'broom'.But it is remarkable that disenchantment has set in among the common people in India in just 8 months of Modi assuming power. Delhi has about 11 million voters and has a mix of people from all regions of India. It shows how neo-liberalism can alienate people very quickly. Modi afterall belives in passing the benifits to the top 1% and has no scruples about looting the 99%.See:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-india-s-ruling-party-trounced-in-delhi-in-big-blow-for-pm-modi-2059840 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/elections/delhi-elections-2015/top-stories/Delhi-elections-2015-How-a-small-IIT-B-team-shaped-AAPs-Delhi-poll-campaign/articleshow/46173477.cms Vijaya Kumar Marla _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Questioning Brian Williams’s claims that ‘gangs’ terrorized the Ritz-Carlton during Katrina - The Washington Post
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Of all Williams' misremembrances, the dysentery is the weakest point on which to criticize him. wow. katrina was almost 10 years ago. i want to express my deepest gratitude to the pillars of the american 5th estate for doggedly pursuing this important news story and protecting the public from sensationalism and misinformation. it makes me want to go out and buy a tv. i can't help but wonder if the considerable outrage over this scandal is equal to the credulity required to believe questionable things. you mean criminal gangs [you guess the skin color] didn't overrun the ritz carlton? i found that so believable [despite the fact that swat wasn't called in to kill them]! outrageous! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] First hand account of Kurdistan
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Re: [Marxism] Add me to the list, too
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * me too. - Original Message - From: Anthony Boynton via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 3:33:52 PM Subject: [Marxism] Add me to the list, too POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Although I have a low profile, you can add me to the list of those who are against the Russian backed separatists. Anthony _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] app promises mobile justice to protesters against police criminality
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * brilliant. now does it work? sometimes i can't even get reception. - Original Message - From: Dennis Brasky via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, February 6, 2015 3:08:03 PM Subject: [Marxism] app promises mobile justice to protesters against police criminality POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/02/06/app-promises-mobile-justice-protestors-law-enforcement-violates-law/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Art of Critique: Victor Serge’s “Midnight in the Century” | The Los Angeles Review of Books
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. i look forward to reading this. victor serge is a very attractive figure to me and the case of comrade tulayev is the way i prefer to think of stalinism. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 8:08:26 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: The Art of Critique: Victor Serge’s “Midnight in the Century” | The Los Angeles Review of Books POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The 1939 novel Midnight in the Century, brought back into print in December 2014 by NYRB Classics, exemplifies what makes Serge so compelling. The book mostly concerns itself with the life of several members of the USSR’s Left Opposition, internally exiled to Chernoe, a remote (fictional) town near the Chernaya (sometimes called the Black River). Rather than focus on one or two main characters, Serge focuses on the group itself, while occasionally looking out on Soviet society as a whole. In his Memoirs, Serge explains his disinterest in solitary heroes. “We never live only by our own efforts, we never live only for ourselves; our most intimate, our most personal thinking is connected by a thousand links with that of the world.” All of his novels reflect this belief — not only do they focus on groups instead of individuals, but the political ideas expressed therein emerge out of conversations between characters, rather than through narration or internal monologue. In that way the form of the work reinforces Serge’s characters’ ideals. full: https://lareviewofbooks.org/review/art-critique-victor-serges-midnight-century _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Syria and the Left | New Politics
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Yassin Al Haj Saleh. I am afraid that it is too late for the leftists in the West to express any solidarity with the Syrians in their extremely hard struggle. What I always found astonishing in this regard is that mainstream Western leftists know almost nothing about Syria, its society, its regime, its people, its political economy, its contemporary history. Rarely have I found a useful piece of information or a genuinely creative idea in their analyses.*My impression about this curious situation is that they simply do not see us,* This is racism. Can we have a psychological and political discussion of the mechnanism white people us to render colored people invisible. The number ! problem with the US Left is racism. I made these brief comments before I went to work this morning. I am surprised, and frankly saddened, to see the lack of response. clay, i'm not sure who this is for, whether it is even appropriate for me to respond. i simply can't speak about racism on the left with any authority, primarily because i can't speak about the left at all with authority. my failure in this regard isn't to say that i am oblivious to the certainty of racism on the left. but i am certain in a rather indirect way i suppose. i live in the most deeply racist country that has ever existed. racism is my inheritance. so why wouldn't racism permeate everything here, including the left in the states? even while the left has done more in the fight against racism than liberals, moderates or the right. i always must judge myself and others here with this understanding. Racism is one of the central problems of our movement. I believe racism is the main factor holding back a Left that is dominated by white people. Racism is an extremely complex system with intertwined economic, political, cultural and psychological aspects. The invisibility of non-white people by white people has long been recognized as one of the key features or methods of racism and it operates in many and complex matters. From a theoretical POV it has long been discussed in a wide range of academic materials and I think it can be useful in explaining things as wildly different as why the suffering of the Syrian people can be ignored down to why my comment can be ignored. Sometimes that is simply the easiest way to deal with an unpleasant issue, provided you are in a position to ignore people and get away with it. But this question of the invisibility of colored people goes deeper than that. I would recommend Joel Kovel's White Racism: A Psychohistory as a good starting point. As he says, Race, is already a produce of white racism there's a lot to unpack here. a long history. psychology. sociology. specific political questions. praxis. i have no answers. one does what one can. i think you're raising of the question in this forum is valuable and contributes to a broader understanding. ah, you see? platitudes. i am uneasy with invisibility as the dominating metaphor. invisibility simply cannot account for many of the active elements in this world. drones do not seek the invisible. as for the left's blindness ... ah, well. here we are talking. knowing this group, in my short time here, others, better than me, will join in time. however, questions nag me. what should left solidarity look like with respect to syria? what do the syrians need that we can provide? what is the left failing to do? You can not explain the reaction of the US Left to the struggle in Syria, of the reaction of Americans generally to much of what goes on in the world without looking at the role racism plays. While Yassin did not name it. I think that we should. His observation about the US Left with regards to Syrians is spot-on. *they simply do not see us *is an aberrant behaviour of white people that we can given a name to, that we can connect to the invisibility of non-white people that is a disease which runs through our society and without the defeat of which revolution is impossible. is the left's failure with respect to syria much different to it's failure with respect to spain, the ukraine, greece or any of its other failures? But that's okay, just carry on as through I never made that important observation. touche! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at:
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Syria and the Left | New Politics
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The question is why does the Left repel black people generally? I think this is a critical question to resolve because I think it is the single most important problem holding back the revolutionary forces in what we like to call the belly of the beast. The problem as I see it is that this white-centric Left occupies the ground we should be fighting from and little will change in prospects for revolution in the US before this nut is cracked. I raise the issue for discussion and get back this: On 2/4/2015 12:26 AM, Charles Faulkner wrote: clay, the left has done more in the fight against racism than liberals, moderates or the right. That is a congratulatory, self-serving opinion that probably the majority of people wouldn't agree with if you consider MLK Jr. and most of those who rallied with him liberal or moderate. yes, i was uneasy myself writing it but chose to make the leap because i think it's demonstrably true. it doesn't help much that you wrenched it out of context to score a point. indeed, the left's involvement with civil rights was the primary crack, king's association with communists (along with hoover's nasty sexual allegations), that hoover used to discredit king. one easily can find a lengthy dossier of leftists associated with the movement from whom king had to distance himself in order to drive the movement's prestige (however modest) and momentum with the american elite and public. letter from a birmingham jail shows clearly what king thought of moderates. he had an uneasy relationship and even distrust of liberals. the right reviled him, and i believe, killed him. who remains? while liberals can lay claim to the major legal events of the era, i hope it's clear that the left would have delivered at least as much if it had the same political position. i will leave it to you and others to judge me regarding my self-serving ways. maybe i'm a deluded fool and worse. i'll keep this in mind. i lay no claim to open-mindedness. i am not better than punk rockers. i have lived a contradictory life. i simply refuse to disappear. i always feel a measure of pain and regret to be perceived as an enemy. but i'm old enough to have acquired numerous enemies. and some friends. there always is a cost of expressing belief. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ukraine run by 'miserable' Jews: rebel chief [Zakharchenko]
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * shockingly bald. to whom is he playing? undermining ukrainian leadership? pandering to russian support? both? certainly, it must be condemned by the rest of the world. - Original Message - From: jay rothermel via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 11:45:13 AM Subject: [Marxism] Ukraine run by 'miserable' Jews: rebel chief [Zakharchenko] POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-run-miserable-jews-rebel-chief-202600090.html?soc_src=mediacontentstorysoc_trk=fb _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ukraine run by 'miserable' Jews: rebel chief [Zakharchenko]
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * good points. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 11:54:29 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Ukraine run by 'miserable' Jews: rebel chief [Zakharchenko] POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2/3/15 2:45 PM, jay rothermel via Marxism wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-run-miserable-jews-rebel-chief-202600090.html?soc_src=mediacontentstorysoc_trk=fb Actually, the article state: -Alexander Zakharchenko, leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, claimed that Kiev's pro-Western leaders were miserable representatives of the great Jewish people.- This does not exactly sound anti-Semitic. In general, I would urge caution when it comes to catching either side with its pants down in the propaganda war. For example, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk was quoted as saying that Russia invaded Nazi Germany when it was fairly likely that he was referring to the division of Germany following WWII, not that this was such a useful point to make. The transcript of his speech includes two sentences: We can remember very well the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany. We have to make sure that this doesn`t happen again. No one has the right to redraw the post war map of Europe. The first is the only one ever quoted by WSWS.org, RT.com, et al. The second must be included to make sense of the first. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] State let oil companies taint drinkable water in Central Valley
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/State-let-oil-companies-taint-drinkable-water-in-6054242.php Oil companies in drought-ravaged California have, for years, pumped wastewater from their operations into aquifers that had been clean enough for people to drink. They did it with explicit permission from state regulators, who were supposed to protect the increasingly strained groundwater supplies from contamination. Instead, the state allowed companies to drill more than 170 waste-disposal wells into aquifers suitable for drinking or irrigation, according to data reviewed by The Chronicle. Hundreds more inject a blend of briny water, hydrocarbons and trace chemicals into lower-quality aquifers that could be used with more intense treatment. Most of the waste-injection wells lie in California’s parched Central Valley, whose desperate residents are pumping so much groundwater to cope with the historic drought that the land has started to sink. “It is an unfolding catastrophe, and it’s essential that all oil and gas wastewater injection into underground drinking water stop immediately,” said Kassie Siegel , director of the Climate Law Institute at the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group. The problem developed over decades, starting with a bureaucratic snafu between state and federal regulators. It was made worse by shoddy record keeping and, critics say, plain negligence. The issue erupted into public view last summer when state officials abruptly shut down 11 waste-injection wells in Kern County, fearing they could taint groundwater supplies already feeding homes and farms. No contamination So far, tests of nearby drinking-water wells show no contamination, state officials say. But the federal Environmental Protection Agency, which helped uncover the practice, is threatening to seize control of regulating the waste-injection wells, a job it has left to California officials for over 30 years. The state faces a Feb. 6 deadline to tell the EPA how it plans to fix the problem and prevent it from happening again. “If there are wells having a direct impact on drinking water, we need to shut them down now,” said Jared Blumenfeld , regional adminstrator for the EPA. “Safe drinking water is only going to become more in demand.” California produces more oil than any state other than Texas and North Dakota, and its oil fields are awash in salty water. A typical Central Valley oil well pulls up nine or 10 barrels of water for every barrel of petroleum that reaches the surface. In addition, companies often flood oil reservoirs with steam to coax out the valley’s thick, viscous crude, which is far heavier than petroleum found in most other states. They pump high-pressure water and chemicals underground to crack rocks in the controversial practice of hydraulic fracturing. They use acid and water to clear up debris that would otherwise clog their oil-producing wells. All of that leftover water, laced with bits of oil and other chemicals, has to go somewhere. Pumping the liquid — known in the industry as produced water — back underground is considered one of the most environmentally responsible ways to get rid of it. “If we’re not able to put the water back, there’s no other viable thing to do with it,” said Rock Zierman , chief executive officer of the California Independent Petroleum Association , which represents smaller oil companies in the state. “If you were to shut down hundreds of injection wells, obviously that’s a lot of jobs, a lot of tax revenue.” Farmers fear that the groundwater they increasingly need to nurture their orchards and crops may one day show signs of pollution, even if it hasn’t surfaced yet. “When I’m concerned for my farm, I’m looking at future generations and reaching a point where they can’t use the groundwater because of things we’re doing today,” said Tom Frantz , 65, a farmer and retired teacher who grows almonds near the town of Shafter (Kern County). The wastewater injection problem stretches back to 1983. EPA officials that year signed an agreement giving California’s oil field regulators — the state’s Divison of Oil, Gas and Geothermal Resources — responsibility for enforcing the federal Safe Drinking Water Act. The agreement listed, by name, aquifers considered exempt, where oil companies could legally inject leftover water with a simple permit from the division. If state regulators wanted to add any aquifers to the list, they would need EPA’s aproval. But there were two signed copies of the agreement, said Steven Bohlen , the division’s new supervisor. Eleven
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: A Short History of Sniper Cinema » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * ah, yes. credibility. comparing military snipers with criminal snipers in a city and suggesting that there is contradiction in praising the former and vilifying the latter. how silly. all of the targets in this piece are vulnerable without stretching credulity. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 8:53:33 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: A Short History of Sniper Cinema » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/30/a-short-history-of-sniper-cinema/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] S.F. public defender detained outside court, office outraged
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * shocking? more like a commonplace. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-public-defender-detained-outside-court-6046088.php A San Francisco deputy public defender was taken into custody Tuesday afternoon at the Hall of Justice after she asked why city police officers were questioning her client outside a courtroom, the public defender’s office said Wednesday. Attorney Jami Tillotson was handcuffed to a bar in a Southern Police Station holding area located at the Hall of Justice at 850 Bryant St. for an hour following what public defender’s office spokeswoman Tamara Barak Aparton called “blatant intimidation” by several police officers. Police officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Tillotson’s client had just made an appearance in Department 17 on the second floor with a co-defendant for a misdemeanor shoplifting charge when he left the courtroom and began getting questioned by a plainclothes police officer, Aparton said. Tillotson had been conducting an interview with another client in the courtroom’s holding tank when she was alerted of the situation and rushed out into the hallway. She found her client and his co-defendant “surrounded by police officers,” being asked identifying questions about their height and weight, Aparton said. “She told the interrogating officer that she was the attorney and he said, 'I just need two minutes with him,’” Aparton said. “When she asked why, he just said it was a police investigation. Then he started basically bullying her, telling her she’s interfering. “She wasn’t interfering,” Aparton said. “She was just trying to protect her client’s constitutional right to counsel.” When the officers started taking photos of her client, Tillotson told them that wasn’t necessary, Aparton said, and the officer told her he would arrest her if she continued to interfere. The plainclothes officer then asked a uniformed officer to cuff her, and she was taken to a Southern Station holding cell. Tillotson was released about an hour later, Aparton said. The public defender’s office was planning to release surveillance footage of the encounter later Wednesday. “It’s definitely shocking,” Aparton said. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i'd like to propose a slight modification that doesn't alter the thrust of your argument. allende took his own life in exchange for a promise from the coup not to harm his cabinet. this is made clear in guzman's film the battle of chile. the effect and resulting horror is the same. i'm sure we all anticipate a world battle centering around syriza's success. part of that battle will be expanding credibility outside greece with those who today are ignorant of certain facts. i suggest that being particular about allende's death is part of that credibility. - Original Message - From: Thomas via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:24:53 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * [“There is no close historical precedent in Europe for a SYRIZA victory--although there are some parallels with the 1970 election of a socialist government led by Salvador Allende in Chile.” Lee Sustar, in Socialist Worker newspaper, January 20, 2015] It may be useful to recall that the Allende regime, an effort to implement some superficial reforms of capitalism, without threatening to get rid of the dominant class of capitalists who ruled the Chilean nation, was exterminated three years later by the Chilean general staff. The reformer Allende was executed. He was replaced by Gen. Augusto Pinochet, whose regime killed, tortured, and exiled tens of thousands of Chileans. Allende’s political party, living in some silly fantasy world, didn’t wish to offend the generals in command and made no effort to organize support inside the Army. Neither did most of the self-styled revolutionaries in the three years they had to organize inside the Army before their end came. For their failure, the penalty was death. Will the Greek generals, forever and always famously loyal to the Greek capitalist elite, tolerate a left regime in Greece, even if its program now is an effort to implement some reforms of capitalism, without threatening to get rid of the dominant class of capitalists and their generals who rule the nation? What will they do when tens of thousands of Greeks, who now believe the SYRIZA election victory means their social liberation, take matters into their own hands, begin to act for themselves from below, and move against their ruling class of tormentors and oppressors far father and faster than SYRIZA parliamentary politicians have any intention of going? Care to take a bet? Όποιος γίνεται πρόβατο τον τρώει ο λύκος! There have been no reports, so far, or even hints of efforts by SYRIZA or anybody else on the left to organize among rank and file soldiers. If not, it will be unnecessary to provide blindfolds should the Greek generals seize power and order military executioners to work. The blindfolds are already in place. -Original Message- From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Jan 27, 2015 10:10 AM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Greek games and scenarios — Crooked Timber Interesting analysis of the high-stakes poker game about to unfold. http://crookedtimber.org/2015/01/25/greek-games-and-scenarios/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Radical Brownies: girls of color push social justice
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * that's fantastic. too precious. made me smile. thanks. - Original Message - From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:00:46 PM Subject: [Marxism] Radical Brownies: girls of color push social justice POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://twitter.com/postsecret/status/559188140427329536/photo/1 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Satire and the unknown North Korea
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * agreed. thanks. - Original Message - From: Dennis Brasky via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 9:48:08 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Satire and the unknown North Korea POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * so was I but it's valuable information. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net wrote: thanks. a nice juicy title on a topic right up my alley but turned out to be more about the background to satire, the unpleasant history of korea's suffering at the hands of it's enemies. fine as it went but i was left disappointed. http://portside.org/2015-01-22/satire-and-unknown-north-korea _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Police investigated in case of dead Argentine prosecutor
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Police-investigated-in-case-of-dead-Argentine-6035897.php BUENOS AIRES (AP) — The 10 police officers assigned to protect a federal prosecutor who accused President Cristina Fernandez of shielding Iranians accused in an Argentine terrorist bombing are being investigated for their actions on the day the prosecutor was found shot to death. The officers, along with two supervisors, are being looked at as part of an internal police investigation into the handling of Alberto Nisman 's death, a person close to the investigation told The Associated Press on Friday on condition of anonymity. The officers are not considered suspects, said the person, who was not authorized to comment publicly. In particular, he said, investigators are looking into the time it took two officers assigned to the door of Nisman's building to advise their superiors that they had not been able to reach him by telephone. Earlier this week, the 10 officers made declarations to lead investigator Viviana Fein , who would ultimately decide whether to try them for anything. All 10 have been suspended during the investigation, the person close to the case said. The 51-year-old prosecutor was found Sunday night slumped in the bathroom of his apartment with a bullet wound in his head. His death came days after Nisman gave a judge a report alleging Fernandez secretly reached a deal to prevent prosecution of former Iranian officials accused of involvement in the 1994 bombing of Argentina's largest Jewish center , the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association . The attack killed 85 people and injured more than 200. Also on Friday, justice officials said they have been unable to locate the man who loaned Nisman the gun used in his death despite repeated attempts, and were ordering that he be barred from leaving the country. Diego Lagomarsino , who spoke to authorities soon after Nisman's death, said he had given a .22-caliber pistol to Nisman because the prosecutor wanted it for protection. Lagomarsino has not been named as a suspect. Fernandez, who has dismissed Nisman's allegations of a cover-up in the bombing, published two letters on social media this week about the prosecutor's death — the first saying it appeared he had killed himself, then a second saying she was now convinced it wasn't a suicide. Nisman's allegations, she said, were based on false information given to him by the former head of the intelligence services. In her second letter, published Thursday, she portrayed Nisman's death as a way to damage her administration. American authorities are aware of the case but won't comment while an investigation is in progress, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters in Washington on Friday. The United States and the international community continue to work with the Argentine government, as well as victims of the AMIA bombing and their families, to seek justice, Psaki said. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks amith. understood. - Original Message - From: A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: Marxism Serve marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:59:36 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba Hi Charles, I am responding to the entire list, not you specifically. I was agreeing with you. - Amith On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net wrote: this is the second time you've piggy-backed my message, said you guys, and then expressed the exact opposite of what i wrote. may i ask why you do that? do you understand that that can cause confusion and resentment? From: A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net , Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:25:18 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba 2 million Jews in New York, considering there are only about ~15 million Jews worldwide, some 40% of which live in Israel, is a fairly massive number. Again I think you guys are trying to find something anti-Jewish about his comment. Moreover, the issue originally was Zionism and whether AWL's Zionist politics undo their credibility about Borotba. Regardless of how one feels about Borotba, the AWL is in fact a Zionist propaganda outlet and their pamphlets are ridden with Israeli propaganda. One does not need to be a Jew to be a Zionist. Zionism is not simply Israeli nationalism, it is a colonial movement that originated outside the Middle East and whose many adherents were as anti-Jewish as they were Jewish. The AWL shares the worldview and politics of this movement, despite some minor reservations. It deserves no quarter. - Amith On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: blockquote POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * for what it's worth i didn't see it so much as a stereotype as an attempt to say, crudely perhaps, that it is easy to see that people in the u.s. do not understand jewish life as primarily religious given the rich, long standing and well delineated cultural life of jews in new york, where 1 in 4 actually is pretty impressive. in fact i would go farther. there seems to be a tendency abroad to see americans monochromatically. while i have no problem in believing religion is less relevant in countries from the former soviet union, i'm detecting an inclination of some to tar everyone in america with religion's brush. is religion pervasive in america? yes. and it taints everyone's understanding? silly. - Original Message - From: Thomas via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:41:16 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * New York City population: 8,405,837 Jewish population of New York City: 2,028,200 [Wikipedia] Not exactly Jerusalem. So much for stupid stereotypes. T -Original Message- From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Jan 21, 2015 5:28 PM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * DW said: WTF??? Obviously you've never been to Jerusalem...that is, NEW YORK CITY, have you? Ken Hiebert replies: Whatever you may have intended, this comment could be read as a complaint that there are too many Jews in New York. I don't know how many Jews there are in New York, but I hope they all feel at home there. I wouldn't want to suggest to any of them that they might be more welcome in Israel
Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * this is the second time you've piggy-backed my message, said you guys, and then expressed the exact opposite of what i wrote. may i ask why you do that? do you understand that that can cause confusion and resentment? - Original Message - From: A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net, Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:25:18 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba 2 million Jews in New York, considering there are only about ~15 million Jews worldwide, some 40% of which live in Israel, is a fairly massive number. Again I think you guys are trying to find something anti-Jewish about his comment. Moreover, the issue originally was Zionism and whether AWL's Zionist politics undo their credibility about Borotba. Regardless of how one feels about Borotba, the AWL is in fact a Zionist propaganda outlet and their pamphlets are ridden with Israeli propaganda. One does not need to be a Jew to be a Zionist. Zionism is not simply Israeli nationalism, it is a colonial movement that originated outside the Middle East and whose many adherents were as anti-Jewish as they were Jewish. The AWL shares the worldview and politics of this movement, despite some minor reservations. It deserves no quarter. - Amith On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * for what it's worth i didn't see it so much as a stereotype as an attempt to say, crudely perhaps, that it is easy to see that people in the u.s. do not understand jewish life as primarily religious given the rich, long standing and well delineated cultural life of jews in new york, where 1 in 4 actually is pretty impressive. in fact i would go farther. there seems to be a tendency abroad to see americans monochromatically. while i have no problem in believing religion is less relevant in countries from the former soviet union, i'm detecting an inclination of some to tar everyone in america with religion's brush. is religion pervasive in america? yes. and it taints everyone's understanding? silly. - Original Message - From: Thomas via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:41:16 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * New York City population: 8,405,837 Jewish population of New York City: 2,028,200 [Wikipedia] Not exactly Jerusalem. So much for stupid stereotypes. T -Original Message- From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Jan 21, 2015 5:28 PM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * DW said: WTF??? Obviously you've never been to Jerusalem...that is, NEW YORK CITY, have you? Ken Hiebert replies: Whatever you may have intended, this comment could be read as a complaint that there are too many Jews in New York. I don't know how many Jews there are in New York, but I hope they all feel at home there. I wouldn't want to suggest to any of them that they might be more welcome in Israel. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net
Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * for what it's worth i didn't see it so much as a stereotype as an attempt to say, crudely perhaps, that it is easy to see that people in the u.s. do not understand jewish life as primarily religious given the rich, long standing and well delineated cultural life of jews in new york, where 1 in 4 actually is pretty impressive. in fact i would go farther. there seems to be a tendency abroad to see americans monochromatically. while i have no problem in believing religion is less relevant in countries from the former soviet union, i'm detecting an inclination of some to tar everyone in america with religion's brush. is religion pervasive in america? yes. and it taints everyone's understanding? silly. - Original Message - From: Thomas via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:41:16 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * New York City population: 8,405,837 Jewish population of New York City: 2,028,200 [Wikipedia] Not exactly Jerusalem. So much for stupid stereotypes. T -Original Message- From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Jan 21, 2015 5:28 PM To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net Cc: dwalters...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Marxism] Article on Borotba POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * DW said: WTF??? Obviously you've never been to Jerusalem...that is, NEW YORK CITY, have you? Ken Hiebert replies: Whatever you may have intended, this comment could be read as a complaint that there are too many Jews in New York. I don't know how many Jews there are in New York, but I hope they all feel at home there. I wouldn't want to suggest to any of them that they might be more welcome in Israel. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/thomasfbarton%40earthlink.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Oregon Was Founded As a Racist Utopia
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks. i'm finding this article very interesting. as an aside, with martin luther king day this week, i would like to note that the fraternal order of the eagles, or eagles club, was founded in the pacific northwest (seattle, washington) in 1898. it did not admit blacks into its membership until relatively recently (i believe the 1990's) when clashes occurred at club functions. some of you will remember father groppi's campaign against the eagles club in late 1960's in milwaukee, wisconsin. james earl ray, king's murderer, wrote a note to his attorneys during preparation for his first trial regarding the things that could be used against him. one of the oddities, which never has been dealt with adequately, was that he was an eagles club member. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:24:06 PM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Oregon Was Founded As a Racist Utopia POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Author: Key North Korean defector 'misled' him on life story
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Author-Key-North-Korean-defector-misled-him-on-6024214.php UNITED NATIONS (AP) — A prominent North Korean defector who fled a prison camp and became the face of international efforts to hold the country accountable for widespread human rights abuses has changed important parts of his life story. Author Blaine Harden says in a statement on his website that he has pressed Shin Dong-Hyuk to explain why he had misled me during interviews for Harden's book on Shin, Escape from Camp 14. North Korea tried to discredit Shin late last year as it fought a U.N. General Assembly resolution that backed the findings of a groundbreaking U.N. commission of inquiry into Pyongyang's human rights abuses. Human rights groups say the U.N. inquiry was based on interviews with scores of North Korean defectors. Its findings are still valid, said Brad Adams , Asia director for Human Rights Watch . The organization last year gave Shin an award for extraordinary activism and said he is regarded as the single strongest voice on atrocities taking place in North Korea. Shin was traveling and could not be reached for comment. He was expected to arrive in Seoul from the U.S. on Monday afternoon, said Greg Scarlatoiu , executive director of the Washington-based Committee for Human Rights in North Korea. Every one of us have stories, or things we'd like to hide, Shin said in an apology for the inaccuracies in recounting his past in his latest Facebook post, giving few details. He said he may or may not be able to continue his work of trying to eliminate North Korea's political prison camps but urged others to keep fighting. These will be my final words and this will likely be my final post. Shin's story originally drew widespread attention because he said he had lived in a high-security political prison camp in North Korea from his birth until his escape through an electrified fence. He describes himself on Facebook as the only known person born in a North Korean prison camp that escaped and survived to tell the tale. Harden has described Shin as a reluctant narrator, and a sometimes unreliable one. In writing this book, I have sometimes struggled to trust him, Harden wrote in the introduction to his book. He misled me in our first interview about his role in the death of his mother, and he continued to do so in more than a dozen interviews. When he changed his story, I became worried about what else he might have made up. Harden's statement says he passed along Shin's new information to The Washington Post , his former employer. Its report over the weekend said Shin now says he was transferred around the age of 6 to a lighter-security prison camp with his mother and brother. It was there, not the harsher camp, where he informed authorities about an escape attempt by his mother and brother. For that, they were executed. He now says he was later transferred back to the harsher camp. Shin didn't realize that changing dates and places of major events would be important, Harden's statement says. The fundamental building blocks of his story have remained the same, although I am fully aware of the differences between (the two camps), Scarlatoiu said Sunday. Still, born and raised in a camp, he was subjected to forced labor, induced malnutrition and torture. He informed on his mother and brother, who were executed. He escaped from the camp, and lived to tell his story. None of that has changed. Shin's earlier account helped drive the international effort to hold North Korea accountable. He and another defector met with then-U.N. human rights chief Navi Pillay just days before she called for the commission of inquiry in early 2013. Their personal stories were extremely harrowing, she said at the time. North Korea's government denies the existence of the harsh political prison camps, and human rights groups and others rely on both information from defectors and satellite images for information. The North Korean government did not allow the U.N. commission of inquiry to visit the country for its work. A spokesman for North Korea's mission to the United Nations had no immediate comment. The commission of inquiry's report, released early last year, detailed abuses including mass starvation and forced abortions, and it recommended that North Korea's human rights situation be referred to the International Criminal Court . The commission of inquiry also sent a letter to leader Kim Jong Un warning him that he could be held accountable. That alarmed North Korean authorities, and its diplomats circulated a DVD called
[Marxism] Argentina special prosecutor found fatally shot at his home
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/Argentina-special-prosecutor-found-fatally-shot-6024771.php BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (AP) — A special prosecutor who had accused Argentine President Cristina Fernandez of shielding Iranian suspects in the South American country's worst terrorist attack was found shot dead, authorities said Monday, a development that drew outrage from Jewish leaders. Alberto Nisman , who was set to testify Monday in a Congressional hearing about the 1994 bombing of a Jewish center , was found in the bathroom of his Buenos Aires apartment late Sunday, federal prosecutor Viviana Fein told Telam, Argentina's official news agency. We can confirm that it was a gunshot wound, .22 caliber, she said, adding that it was too early in the investigation to know what had happened. Nisman was appointed 10 years ago by Fernandez's late husband, then President Nestor Kirchner , to investigate the 1994 bombing of the Argentine- Israeli Mutual Association in Buenos Aires, which killed 85 people and injured more than 200. Argentina has one of the largest concentrations of Jews outside of Israel, with estimates ranging around 200,000, mostly in Buenos Aires. In 2013, Argentina and Iran reached an agreement to investigate the attack, which remains unsolved. That year, Nisman released an indictment accusing Iran and Hezbollah of organizing the blast. Iran denies any involvement. Last week, Nisman accused Fernandez and other senior Argentine officials of agreeing not to punish at least two former Iranian officials in the case. He asked a judge to call Fernandez and others, including Foreign Minister Hector Timerman , for questioning. The president and her foreign minister took the criminal decision to fabricate Iran's innocence to sate Argentina's commercial, political and geopolitical interests, Nisman said last week. Fernandez has yet to comment on the allegations, but administration officials have called the prosecutor's allegations ludicrous. A federal judge had begun the process of deciding whether to hear the complaint and whether anyone should be summoned for questioning. Opposition Congresswoman Patricia Bullrich told local news media that Nisman told her he had received threats after denouncing the president. Late Sunday, federal police agents in charge of Nisman's protection alerted their superiors that he wasn't answering phone calls, according to a statement from the Health Ministry . When he also didn't answer the door, they decided to alert family members, according to the statement. When Nisman's mother wasn't able to open the door because a key was in the lock on the other side, a locksmith was called to open it, the ministry said. A .22 caliber handgun and a shell casing were found next to Nisman's body. Israel's foreign ministry expressed deep sorrow over Nisman's death. Nisman, a courageous, venerable jurist who fought intrepidly for justice, acted with determination to expose the identities of the terrorists and their dispatchers, a ministry statement said. Within hours after news of Nisman's death spread, a well-known group called Indignant Argentines called for demonstrations later Monday in several areas of Buenos Aires. Nisman died but his denouncement does not, Sergio Bergman , a prominent rabbi in Buenos Aires, posted on Twitter. Our sorrow and condemnation will result in more memory, truth and justice! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Tens of thousands protest Charlie Hebdo in Russia's Caucasus
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/Thousands-gather-to-protest-caricatures-in-6024709.php GROZNY, Russia (AP) — Hundreds of thousands marched through the Chechen capital on Monday to protest the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, which again put a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad on its cover. Demonstrators in Grozny, capital of the predominantly Muslim region in southern Russia, released balloons and carried posters that read Hands off our beloved prophet and We love the prophet, we don't love Charlie. Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov wrote on his official Instagram account Friday that those who defended the weekly Charlie Hebdo were his personal enemies and vowed that at least 1 million people would join the government-sponsored protest in Grozny. On Monday, Kadyrov spoke from a stage wearing a vest with We Love the Prophet Mohammed written on it. A police spokesman told Interfax news agency that 800,000 people attended the protest Monday, although those numbers were impossible to verify. Russia, which has a large and restive Muslim population and waged two devastating wars against Chechen separatists in the 1990s, offered its condolences to France after the Paris terror attacks earlier this month. It has warned Russian publications, however, against reprinting any Charlie Hebdo cartoons that featured the Prophet Mohammed. Roskomnadzor, the Russian communications oversight agency, sent letters to several local publications barring them from re-publishing the French caricatures and published a warning to nationwide publications on its Facebook page. Roskomnadzor calls on all national media to choose other methods of expressing their solidarity with their tragically killed French colleagues, rather than inflaming sectarian tensions in Russian society, the agency said in the statement. According to Russian news agencies, 15,000 people joined a similar anti-Charlie Hebdo demonstration Saturday in the neighboring region of Ingushetia. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thank you very much dave. this is helpful. yes, it is too much to ask for simplicity in 2015. it's still the early hours here in san francisco. i've given the piece a once over but will need to read it carefully. some things struck me though. 1. she seems to be fixated on whether or not the individuals at charlie hebdo are racists, and thus herself, not whether the cartoons themselves (perhaps more) were racist. this is suspicious of course. at least since monroe beardsley's the possibility of criticism (1970) we are confident to separate the work from the artist. racist art can be produced by artists who have no such feeling. the intentions of the artist are not necessary to judge the work. 2. she creates quite a lot complexity that is worthy of rupert murdoch's legions (spell correct offered lesions), such as pointing out that their are different kinds of muslims, different kinds of africans, etc. she even uses (in fact opens with) some fox news rhetorical flourishes. if i may be so quaint, i'm not sure how meaningful this is. just because there are different ethnicities within christianity (there's a chinese christian church in my neighborhood) doesn't mean that i wouldn't recognize a jab at white america in a religious caricature containing fat white texans (questions of hegemony aside). 3. this is a bit of a broadstroke and it's early. i'm not sure she really adequately addresses whether or not she is a member of the oppressed siding with her oppressors. so the title is not something i'm prepared to run away from. 4. wouldn't it be ironic if i f c harlie hebdo is racist, then so am I became another slogan of freedom-loving imperialists. - Original Message - From: dave x via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 10:00:34 PM Subject: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Since the Article11 piece by Olivier Cyran was posted here, I thought this reply from the same period, also translated from French, deserved posting. Every bit as biting and worth reading. More than enough accusations of orientalism and racism to go around in this discussion, IMO. http://thecharnelhouse.org/2015/01/15/if-charlie-hebdo-is-racist-then-so-am-i-zineb-el-rhazoui-responds-to-olivier-cyran/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Aside from death of the author considerations which in my view are irrelevant, I don't think she's grounding her case on the lack of subjective racism in the magazine's members, but in the context and social purpose in which the magazine existed and to which it was deployed. It's one thing to say that one can be antiracist and produce racist content by accident, it's another thing to say so when this content is being used by antiracists to combat racism. At that point we need some kind of means to determine how content produced by antiracists to combat racists and taken up for this purpose can still be racist. yes, i hope that death of author considerations are irrelevant. but that wasn't the limit of beardsley's argument. it also applied when the artist herself was unaware of her intent or worse, deceptive. the upshot was that the work stands on its own quite aside from the intent an artist had when it was made. beardsley concluded that criticism was impossible if we had to rely solely on author intention. so when we actually have the artist's intentions expressed we have a complication, not a solution. when i was on tour in southeast asia in the marine corps (post vietnam, boat people and killing fields) i often saw darkie toothpaste. my apologies for the content but for those who are unaware of its existence here is a wikipedia link with an image ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlie ). now if our asian friends mention that it was a harmless image only intended to sell a helpful product for oral hygiene, i hope we would have a response quite aside from standard rhetoric about capitalism. i am quite willing to accept that there is a difference between racist art employed by a racist and racist art employed by an an anti-racist but both are offences if only of different degree. Well, the key in these distinctions is, in my view, to articulate a case for distinguishing criticism of Islamists, criticism of Islam, and racism. If you think all criticism of Islam is per se and necessarily racist, then sure, she's obfuscating. I personally can't subscribe to that position though. i don't. religion is simply a fact. it goes well beyond simple accusations of oppression. we atheists on the left need to get over ourselves with our pious superiority. we are the minority. denigrating religion with offensive caricatures of its believers is a doomed project. if we want to claim moral superiority over religious hierarchy, we must demonstrate respect for all people and condemn goofy ethnic images. I think she addresses this fairly adequately when she refers to the oppression secularists and women suffer in the maghreb. Now if your view is that this is secondary, or irrelevant, on the light of oppression of racial or religious minorities in Europe, you may still consider that she's somehow betraying herself. I'm really dubious of propositions like this, first because I don't consider religious identities worth much, but second because people aren't singly constituted by the fact of coming from an area with a given hegemonic religious background. It would be like accusing Rosa Luxemburg of being antisemite and anti-polish, since both as a Jew and as a Pole she made a firm case against religious identities (judaism and catholicism). It also gives no room for recognition that such religious identities aren't the end of a person and can themselves be oppressive. In my opinion she makes this case better than I can hope to, though. having been oppressed and then siding with liberators who are also oppressors isn't so uncommon. i haven't gone back to her text yet but she also uses techniques of distraction. one such, her claim of being married to a black man. it reminds me somewhat of jarheads i knew who married locals, made claims of purity of racial thought with proof in their marriage and then went on to express some of the most unlightened racist garbage i've heard in my life. and i've dealt with klan dialogue! i'm not saying she's being racist herself but maybe, just maybe, her defence of charlie hebdo, at a time that it was being criticized for it's racism, is little more than locating the butter on bread. Sure, and all the more likely if the left doesn't come to its senses and stops this reflexive defence of religion. who would you say is doing this? best regards. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * my reply with darkie toothpaste example. - Original Message - From: Charles Faulkner via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: Marxism Serve marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:25:50 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Aside from death of the author considerations which in my view are irrelevant, I don't think she's grounding her case on the lack of subjective racism in the magazine's members, but in the context and social purpose in which the magazine existed and to which it was deployed. It's one thing to say that one can be antiracist and produce racist content by accident, it's another thing to say so when this content is being used by antiracists to combat racism. At that point we need some kind of means to determine how content produced by antiracists to combat racists and taken up for this purpose can still be racist. yes, i hope that death of author considerations are irrelevant. but that wasn't the limit of beardsley's argument. it also applied when the artist herself was unaware of her intent or worse, deceptive. the upshot was that the work stands on its own quite aside from the intent an artist had when it was made. beardsley concluded that criticism was impossible if we had to rely solely on author intention. so when we actually have the artist's intentions expressed we have a complication, not a solution. when i was on tour in southeast asia in the marine corps (post vietnam, boat people and killing fields) i often saw darkie toothpaste. my apologies for the content but for those who are unaware of its existence here is a wikipedia link with an image ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlie ). now if our asian friends mention that it was a harmless image only intended to sell a helpful product for oral hygiene, i hope we would have a response quite aside from standard rhetoric about capitalism. i am quite willing to accept that there is a difference between racist art employed by a racist and racist art employed by an an anti-racist but both are offences if only of different degree. Well, the key in these distinctions is, in my view, to articulate a case for distinguishing criticism of Islamists, criticism of Islam, and racism. If you think all criticism of Islam is per se and necessarily racist, then sure, she's obfuscating. I personally can't subscribe to that position though. i don't. religion is simply a fact. it goes well beyond simple accusations of oppression. we atheists on the left need to get over ourselves with our pious superiority. we are the minority. denigrating religion with offensive caricatures of its believers is a doomed project. if we want to claim moral superiority over religious hierarchy, we must demonstrate respect for all people and condemn goofy ethnic images. I think she addresses this fairly adequately when she refers to the oppression secularists and women suffer in the maghreb. Now if your view is that this is secondary, or irrelevant, on the light of oppression of racial or religious minorities in Europe, you may still consider that she's somehow betraying herself. I'm really dubious of propositions like this, first because I don't consider religious identities worth much, but second because people aren't singly constituted by the fact of coming from an area with a given hegemonic religious background. It would be like accusing Rosa Luxemburg of being antisemite and anti-polish, since both as a Jew and as a Pole she made a firm case against religious identities (judaism and catholicism). It also gives no room for recognition that such religious identities aren't the end of a person and can themselves be oppressive. In my opinion she makes this case better than I can hope to, though. having been oppressed and then siding with liberators who are also oppressors isn't so uncommon. i haven't gone back to her text yet but she also uses techniques of distraction. one such, her claim of being married to a black man. it reminds me somewhat of jarheads i knew who married locals, made claims of purity of racial thought with proof in their marriage and then went on to express some of the most unlightened racist garbage i've heard in my life
Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * sorry this was to a friend not on the list. - Original Message - From: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net, Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 9:58:44 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui my reply with darkie toothpaste example. - Original Message - From: Charles Faulkner via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Cc: Marxism Serve marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 8:25:50 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Aside from death of the author considerations which in my view are irrelevant, I don't think she's grounding her case on the lack of subjective racism in the magazine's members, but in the context and social purpose in which the magazine existed and to which it was deployed. It's one thing to say that one can be antiracist and produce racist content by accident, it's another thing to say so when this content is being used by antiracists to combat racism. At that point we need some kind of means to determine how content produced by antiracists to combat racists and taken up for this purpose can still be racist. yes, i hope that death of author considerations are irrelevant. but that wasn't the limit of beardsley's argument. it also applied when the artist herself was unaware of her intent or worse, deceptive. the upshot was that the work stands on its own quite aside from the intent an artist had when it was made. beardsley concluded that criticism was impossible if we had to rely solely on author intention. so when we actually have the artist's intentions expressed we have a complication, not a solution. when i was on tour in southeast asia in the marine corps (post vietnam, boat people and killing fields) i often saw darkie toothpaste. my apologies for the content but for those who are unaware of its existence here is a wikipedia link with an image ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlie ). now if our asian friends mention that it was a harmless image only intended to sell a helpful product for oral hygiene, i hope we would have a response quite aside from standard rhetoric about capitalism. i am quite willing to accept that there is a difference between racist art employed by a racist and racist art employed by an an anti-racist but both are offences if only of different degree. Well, the key in these distinctions is, in my view, to articulate a case for distinguishing criticism of Islamists, criticism of Islam, and racism. If you think all criticism of Islam is per se and necessarily racist, then sure, she's obfuscating. I personally can't subscribe to that position though. i don't. religion is simply a fact. it goes well beyond simple accusations of oppression. we atheists on the left need to get over ourselves with our pious superiority. we are the minority. denigrating religion with offensive caricatures of its believers is a doomed project. if we want to claim moral superiority over religious hierarchy, we must demonstrate respect for all people and condemn goofy ethnic images. I think she addresses this fairly adequately when she refers to the oppression secularists and women suffer in the maghreb. Now if your view is that this is secondary, or irrelevant, on the light of oppression of racial or religious minorities in Europe, you may still consider that she's somehow betraying herself. I'm really dubious of propositions like this, first because I don't consider religious identities worth much, but second because people aren't singly constituted by the fact of coming from an area with a given hegemonic religious background. It would be like accusing Rosa Luxemburg of being antisemite and anti-polish, since both as a Jew and as a Pole she made a firm case against religious identities (judaism and catholicism). It also gives no room for recognition that such religious identities aren't the end of a person and can themselves be oppressive. In my opinion she makes this case better than I can hope to, though. having been oppressed and then siding with liberators who are also oppressors isn't so uncommon. i
Re: [Marxism] If Charlie is racist, then so am I by Zineb el- Rhazoui
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i am quite willing to accept that there is a difference between racist art employed by a racist and racist art employed by an an anti-racist but both are offences if only of different degree. Sure, but this is affirming the consequent. i am confused here. what consequent am i affirming? as i alluded the art can be determined to be racist apart from any adjective you want to employ with the artist. The question is determining whether products of an anti-racist magazine, that are deployed to anti-racist ends, and which seemingly successfully carry out this purpose, can be said to be racist in the first place. Or rather, at this point we need a bit of a theory of racist art: is it a formal or a material issue? Is it contextual or it inheres to particular features no matter how they are utilised? My own view on these matters is consequentialist: if something tends to disarticulate and combat racism, it is not racist; if it does the opposite, it is racist. how would you say that the images in question combat racism? please don't say that it was done by anti-racists because you seem to be saying that if you determined a priori that these guys are a-okay, that they can do no wrong. for me the proof was in the images. religion is simply a fact. it goes well beyond simple accusations of oppression. we atheists on the left need to get over ourselves with our pious superiority. we are the minority. denigrating religion with offensive caricatures of its believers is a doomed project. if we want to claim moral superiority over religious hierarchy, we must demonstrate respect for all people and condemn goofy ethnic images. Capitalism is simply a fact. [...] We communists on the left need to get over ourselves with our pious superiority. We are the minority. Denigrating capitalism with offensive caricatures of the bourgeoisie is a doomed project. Etc. Religion is a fact, just like capitalism and alienation and class society are facts. A fact we must endeavour to get rid of. yea, that's cute but you conveniently left out my 2nd sentence. capitalism and religion are very different facts. religion is intertwined with how most people see themselves as persons and collectively that is distinct from capitalism. indeed, we recently have seen some cracks in a unity of purpose between capitalists and religious leaders. one can easily imagine a people throwing off capitalism and clinging to their religion. (oops! we don't have to imagine!) just as you won't convince people of the efficacy of socialism (or what have you) by mocking and insulting them you won't convince them of the errors in religion ... only more so. i haven't gone back to her text yet but she also uses techniques of distraction. one such, her claim of being married to a black man. it reminds me somewhat of jarheads i knew who married locals, made claims of purity of racial thought with proof in their marriage and then went on to express some of the most unlightened racist garbage i've heard in my life. and i've dealt with klan dialogue! i'm not saying she's being racist herself but maybe, just maybe, her defence of charlie hebdo, at a time that it was being criticized for it's racism, is little more than locating the butter on bread. Thing is, at this point those people who have made up their mind that this is about racism are probably not going to change it. But I don't see those things as attempts to distract, I see those things as attempts to place matters in context and to try to call attention and explain to people that maybe there is something else going on than their default assumptions. I get the feeling that for some people making arguments of why something isn't racist seems to be taken as a proof of racism itself... Let's put it this way: is there any utterance that could be made by her in the article that might change your mind? Or is it all going to be read as siding with oppression, defending her material interest and distracting or obfuscating? The least one can do is assume good faith, in my opinion. but don't you see that the same open mindedness could be extended to cyran? oh, but he's someone with a grudge. forget him. and i am not discounting her at all. she makes a case that shows how complex the problem is. i thought i acknowledged that. and i am grateful to you for sharing it because it addressed my earliest questions to the group. however, could she say anything that would erase the images and time? how could she? she doesn't even address their objectionable content. rather she paints a different picture of the people
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Voltaire versus Mohammad | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * bravo. really good stuff. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 1:29:39 PM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Voltaire versus Mohammad | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://louisproyect.org/2015/01/16/voltaire-versus-mohammad/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] JeSuisCharlie???
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * exactly. - Original Message - From: Clay Claiborne via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:35:06 AM Subject: [Marxism] JeSuisCharlie??? POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * #*JeSuisCharlie* https://twitter.com/clayclai/status/555165483138174976? Its one thing to support the Nazi's right to march. It is quite another to march with them Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] From Teenage Angst to Jihad The Anger of Europe’s Young Marginalized Muslims
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * timely and believable. thanks. - Original Message - From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:21:57 AM Subject: [Marxism] From Teenage Angst to Jihad The Anger of Europe’s Young Marginalized Muslims POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/the-anger-of-europes-young-marginalized-muslims.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] JeSuisCharlie???
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i think clay's message is an example of stating an extreme to establish a principle, not make a direct comparison. allowing doesn't mean joining is how i took clay's message. - Original Message - From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:55:35 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] JeSuisCharlie??? POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Clay Claiborne said: #*JeSuisCharlie* https://twitter.com/clayclai/status/555165483138174976? Its one thing to support the Nazi's right to march. It is quite another to march with them Ken Hiebert replies: Such a remark will inflame the discussion and add little to our understanding. Based on what I have seen I am inlined to think that the cartoons, whatever the intention was, were stupid, misguided and lent themselves to an Islamophobic view. That is a long way from being Nazi. In any case, do we really support the right of Nazis to march? I, and I think others on this list, do not support government measures to prevent them from marching. We do support mobilizations of working people and targeted minorities to prevent the Nazis from marching. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo not Racist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. as short as it is that's still the best explanation and portrayal on behalf of the charlie hebdo folks i've read. quite touching in fact. he's right i don't whinge about family guy. i'm not exactly a champion either, am leery of their apparent libertarian (party) leanings, and am fairly confident that if they were the victims of similar acts i would weigh their work with the same scale. i also am confident that i would call for justice on behalf of the victims as i have done for the victims of these recent days. i want to be clear. the recent murders were heinous crimes. to the extent i am able i share in the mourning of the dead. i am quite prepared to listen to those who knew them and accept the descriptions of their finer qualities. what is not apparent to me is that rallying around charlie hebdo is part of a solution to our problem. it is not apparent because i believe charlie hebdo crossed the line into racism, whatever else they did, and that is inconsistent with my vision of a more just world. it seems to me we are in a position to understand what causes young muslims (primarily arab) to act so desperately. it seems to me that there are some obvious origins. it seems to me that socialism provides the way out of this apparent hopelessness. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 4:39:51 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo not Racist POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * (This is forwarded from Andrew Coates. As a reminder to Andrew and any other digest subscribers, you need to clip the digest if you are replying to a message contained within it or else your reply will be held up for moderator approval.) As somebody who actually has print copies of Charlie, who read it in 1980 - it halted in the 1980s until a relaunch in 1992 - and have read it since when I can get copies or visit France - I can only agree with those who defend our beloved Charlie. They are specialists in Bad Taste - something I note is the basis of Family Guy (which I don't see any US leftists whinge about). There are so many cartoons in each issue (I was looking at a few copies I have kept and gave up counting after thirty per issue) that it would be hard to be exact about this. But they defend the rights of immigrants, sexual minorities, and social freedoms, as well as liberty of expression. The targeted the Front National, militarism, and satirised all religions. The wonderful cartoonist 'Cabu' (Jean Cabut), murdered last week was a red-green leftists - gentle, ecology minded, person who was universally loved. I have collections of his cartoons. He was one of the most loved people in France and by French speakers internationally. The very first article I had published in English, circa 1984 (in the Socialist Society's bulletin) on the rise of the Front National used Cabu's cartoons as illustrations. The Editor Stéphane Charbonnier (Charb) was a supporter of the Front de gauche and a contributor to the communist aligned paper,L'Humanité . His partner Jeannette Bougrab, is of North African origin. Wolinski, another of those killed, was also a L'Humanité contributor and more closely identified with the French Communist Party. I note that L'Humanité has backed our beloved Charlie to the hilt - as has the French left more broadly. Frankly many of us deeply insulted by attempts to portray Charlie as 'racist'. Andrew Coates _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sickening
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * that's right dark, not black, skin. along with the other features that you and others have mentioned. anyone seeing these caricatures can see that it's not depicting irrational whites (europeans), blacks (africans), asians (chinese), etc. but arabs. and given france's political problems it's easy to see why arabs are an easy target. so ch, as has been pointed out better by others, racialized islam. so while ch also may have attacked a form of islam (as well as islam more broadly as richard pointed out), they attacked arabs too. clearly. it's unfortunate that you want to deny it. their vile depictions of arabs does not justify their murder. but murder hardly needs further condemnation. i am not charlie because of its racism. charlie hebdo does not provide a standard for me to follow. - Original Message - From: Dan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:27:17 PM Subject: [Marxism] Sickening POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Charb designed the Equal Opportunities anti-racist campaign, a poster in which a White boss tells a Black jobseeker : I would really love to hire you, but...er... I don't like the color of your ... er tie. And still, and still, and still, you will insist that he drew characters with dark, but not black skin. What a joke. So the guy hated fundamentalism, and you turn that into a hatred of dark, but not black skin Muslims, so as to disparage his anti-fundamentalism message and turn it into a racist, bigoted, xenophobic hatred of Muslims. You want to turn Charb into a guy who hated dark-skinned people, and have the cheek of writing think about it !, as though there was anything to think about. So go on ! Turn Charb into a racist who hated dark skinned people ! Go on! Go on ! After all, depictions of the prophet are just examples of crude orientalism. Never mind that the PAkistani or MAroccan governments use blasphemy laws to keep control of the masses! Who cares ! Maroccans, Saoudis, Pakistanis, are not us, are they ? And now we see WHO the real racists are. Those who would happily help out religious conservatism control society it it means criticizing other progressives and socialists they don't agree with. Sickening. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Judith Butler - What's Wrong With 'All Lives Matter'? - NYTimes.com
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * a little tedious isn't it, repeating the obvious as if she's unraveling a difficult, hardly understood, philosophical problem in the old analytical tradition. - Original Message - From: Dennis Brasky via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:33:28 AM Subject: [Marxism] Judith Butler - What's Wrong With 'All Lives Matter'? - NYTimes.com POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/whats-wrong-with-all-lives-matter/?action=clickpgtype=Homepageversion=Moth-Visiblemodule=inside-nyt-region ®ion=inside-nyt-regionWT.nav=inside-nyt-region _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo not Racist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i'm no expert on charlie hebdo but i think if you go back and look at the images you will see that they typically portray arab muslims, not just muhammad, in the most grotesque way. never white muslims for instance, or asian muslims for that matter. consistently arab muslims. it just looks obvious that the cartoons are meant to provoke the muslims in france, who are mostly arab. comparisons to cartoons in america and elsewhere abound and the irish example is very well taken. it really is disingenuous to flaunt such cartoons and then claim that great care was taken to make a distinction. wax lyrical about religion? not here friend. - Original Message - From: Dan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:56:52 PM Subject: [Marxism] Charlie Hebdo not Racist POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Charlie Hebdo never published anything racist. Ever. Says me. If you can show me real evidence of a RACIST cartoon or statement from Charlie Hebdo, please do so. Depicting Jesus being buggered is not racist. Depicting religious zealots, with long beards and holding the Coran, buggering goats is not racist. Comparing such depictions of religious zealots to anti-Irish cartoons of the 19th century is blatently Charlie HEbdo was ALWAYS careful to point out that fundamentalist ISlam was the problem not Muslims. I realize the Saoudi, Quatari and Pakistani authorities are spending billions trying to control 1.5 billion Muslims by projecting ISlam as under siege. The aim is to relegate Human Rights to the dustbin of history so that religiously sanctioned ambitions can dominate. Fortunately, a majority of Muslims can still think for themsleves and marched in support of Charlie Hebdo, at least in France. Depicting Chalrie HEbdo as racist for portraying ISIS and AL Quaeda and fundamentalist preachers as goat-fuckers is not racism. Claiming the contrary is Islamist propaganda and siding with the religious authorities of countries where blaspheming is banned and so is social activism. I suspect some on the left have lost sight of the goal of human emancipation, the better to wax lyrical about the empowering, communal aspects of religion. And other such horse manure born from deeply ingrained American religiosity. So SHOW ME an example of so called Charlie HEbdo racism ! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bernard Maris
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * the question is not whether or not maris is right wing. i, for one, don't give a shit. the question is whether or not publishing racist cartoons is consistent with socialism or any other left stance we need care about. i couldn't help notice in wikipedia that marist joined a freemason lodge in 2008. is that true? how is that consistent with him being a member of the left wing? - Original Message - From: Dan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 3:20:22 PM Subject: [Marxism] Bernard Maris POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Bernard Maris, the French left-wing economist and sociologist, and columnist for Charlie Hebdo, murdered by Islamists last week, wrote several interesting books about the way authority and economics structure our world-view. He addressed the question of alienation in a post-fordist world in a way that is reminiscent of Marcuse. I defy ANYBODY to read his books and show me anything right-wing or racist about his work. On the contrary, he advocated workshop democracy and confronting Capitalism as an ideology. Those who would sully his legacy by calling him racist are VILE enemies of human freedom, egalitarianism and progressive thinking. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bernard Maris
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * you guys? are you talking to me? i think i made it clear that his credentials didn't matter as far as i was concerned. and that racism is inconsistent with socialism ... despite the obvious failures of some individuals. - Original Message - From: A.R. G amithrgu...@gmail.com To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net, Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 3:39:10 PM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Bernard Maris Wait a second, why would it matter what leftist credentials any of these people had? Even if they were all card-carrying members of the Communist Party, how would it change whether or not the cartoons themselves are racist? Are you guys suggesting that leftist credentials prevent one from being a racist, or at least expressing racist ideas? I'm sure Maris contributed great ideas and I think it is wrong that he and his comrades were killed, but that doesn't change the nature of the cartoons. - Amith On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * the question is not whether or not maris is right wing. i, for one, don't give a shit. the question is whether or not publishing racist cartoons is consistent with socialism or any other left stance we need care about. i couldn't help notice in wikipedia that marist joined a freemason lodge in 2008. is that true? how is that consistent with him being a member of the left wing? - Original Message - From: Dan via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 3:20:22 PM Subject: [Marxism] Bernard Maris POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Bernard Maris, the French left-wing economist and sociologist, and columnist for Charlie Hebdo, murdered by Islamists last week, wrote several interesting books about the way authority and economics structure our world-view. He addressed the question of alienation in a post-fordist world in a way that is reminiscent of Marcuse. I defy ANYBODY to read his books and show me anything right-wing or racist about his work. On the contrary, he advocated workshop democracy and confronting Capitalism as an ideology. Those who would sully his legacy by calling him racist are VILE enemies of human freedom, egalitarianism and progressive thinking. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Boko Haram's 'deadliest massacre': 2, 000 feared dead in Nigeria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/boko-haram-deadliest-massacre-baga-nigeria Hundreds of bodies – too many to count – remain strewn in the bush in Nigeria from an Islamic extremist attack that Amnesty International described as the “deadliest massacre” in the history of Boko Haram . Fighting continued on Friday around Baga, a town on the border with Chad where insurgents seized a key military base on 3 January and attacked again on Wednesday . “Security forces have responded rapidly, and have deployed significant military assets and conducted air strikes against militant targets,” said a government spokesman. District head Baba Abba Hassan said most victims are children, women and elderly people who could not run fast enough when insurgents drove into Baga, firing rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles on town residents. “The human carnage perpetrated by Boko Haram terrorists in Baga was enormous,” Muhammad Abba Gava, a spokesman for poorly armed civilians in a defence group that fights Boko Haram , told the Associated Press. He said the civilian fighters gave up on trying to count all the bodies. “No one could attend to the corpses and even the seriously injured ones who may have died by now,” Gava said. An Amnesty International statement said there are reports the town was razed and as many as 2,000 people killed. If true, “this marks a disturbing and bloody escalation of Boko Haram’s ongoing onslaught,” said Daniel Eyre, Nigeria researcher for Amnesty International. The previous bloodiest day in the uprising involved soldiers gunning down unarmed detainees freed in a 14 March 2014 attack on Giwa military barracks in Maiduguri city. Amnesty said then that satellite imagery indicated more than 600 people were killed that day. Around 1.5 million people have been displaced by the violence, many of whom will not be able to vote in the polls under Nigeria’s current electoral laws.The attacks come five weeks away from presidential elections which are likely to trigger even more bloodshed. Already under a state of emergency, the three north-eastern states worst hit by Boko Haram asked the central government for more troops earlier this week. The government has said voting will take place across Borno state although the worsening insecurity means few international observers are likely to get clearance to oversee voting in an area that is traditionally opposition-supporting. Boko Haram also appears to be regionalising the conflict, after threatening neighbouring Cameroon in a video earlier this week. The government has made no official comment on the alleged massacres. President Goodluck Jonathan skimmed security issues when he relaunched his re-election bid in front of thousands of cheering supporters in the economic capital, Lagos, on Thursday. The five-year insurgency killed more than 10,000 people last year alone, according to the Washington-based Council on Foreign Relations. More than a million people are displaced inside Nigeria and hundreds of thousands have fled across its borders into Chad and Cameroon. Emergency workers said this week they are having a hard time coping with scores of children separated from their parents in the chaos of Boko Haram’s increasingly frequent and deadly attacks. Just seven children have been reunited with parents in Yola, capital of Adamawa state, where about 140 others have no idea if their families are alive or dead, said Sa’ad Bello, the coordinator of five refugee camps in Yola. He said he was optimistic that more reunions will come as residents return to towns that the military has retaken from extremists in recent weeks. Suleiman Dauda, 12, said he ran into the bushes with neighbours when extremists attacked his village, Askira Uba, near Yola last year. “I saw them kill my father, they slaughtered him like a ram. And up until now I don’t know where my mother is,” he told the Associated Press at Daware refugee camp in Yola. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Hostage?
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * a picture is appearing of a slightly different character from the one that the french government described of the last moments of kouachis brothers. it appears that they did not really take hostages. in fact they sent the one person upstairs that they knew was there for his safety. this hostage said they were polite to him the whole time though he worried about the woman he had hidden upstairs. the kouachis never learned that she was there. she was hiding upstairs and texting the police about the layout of the building and the situation the whole time. the french government released an account to the press that the brothers wanted to die as martyrs, which of course may have been the case, but i would like to draw attention to how the situation as it actually was made it much easier to execute the kouachis on the spot. this may seem a minor point given the complexity of events in paris but it coincides with a police problem we have here in the united states. because the government so utterly manipulates (controls?) the press during such crises, they can kill suspects with relative ease and impunity, thus eliminating the most motivated contrary witnesses. i've seen this myself when san francisco police killed a man in the building next door to me 3 years ago. http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/S-F-police-Man-killed-by-cops-fatally-beat-mom-3547478.php the san francisco murder is a complicated story that i won't go into here but there are many strange aspects that are similar to the killing of the kouachis and thousands of suspects worldwide. the police create conditions that make killing suspects easy. the methods they employ are then shared by governments. these methods are used again and again in much less spectacular instances thus normalizing them. it amounts to a kind of assassination. an assassination of suspects but also of the will and freedom of the people. while the hostage crisis at the paris grocery seems to have a different character i would caution against assuming that the government is correct that coulibaly executed 4 persons. how many times have police been the ones to have killed everyone during raids and then laid the blame elsewhere? _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: These Terrorist Attacks Are Not About Religion
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://time.com/3662152/kareem-abdul-jabbar-paris-charlie-hebdo-terrorist-attacks-are-not-about-religion/ apart from time's silly mentioning that abdul-jabbar is a 6-time nba champion i like this part from the man: When the Ku Klux Klan burn a cross in a black family’s yard, prominent Christians aren’t required to explain how these aren’t really Christian acts. Another horrendous act of terrorism has taken place and people like myself who are on media speed-dial under “Celebrity Muslims” are thrust in the spotlight to angrily condemn, disavow, and explain—again—how these barbaric acts are in no way related to Islam. For me, religion—no matter which one—is ultimately about people wanting to live humble, moral lives that create a harmonious community and promote tolerance and friendship with those outside the religious community. Any religious rules should be in service of this goal. The Islam I learned and practice does just that. Violence committed in the name of religion is never about religion—it’s ultimately about money. The 1976 movie, All the President’s Men , got it right when it reduced the Daedalus maze of the Watergate scandal to the simple phrase, “Follow the money.” Forget the goons who actually carry out these deadly acts, they are nothing more than automated drones remote-controlled by others. Instead of radio signals, their pilots use selective dogma to manipulate their actions. They pervert the Qur’an through omission and false interpretation. How is it about money? When one looks at the goal of these terrorist attacks, it’s clearly not about scaring us into changing our behavior. The Twin Tower attacks of 9/11 didn’t frighten America into embracing Islam. The fatwa against Salman Rushdie didn’t prevent the publication of The Satanic Verses . Like all terrorist attacks on the West, they just strengthen our defiant resolve. So the attack in Paris, as with most others, isn’t about changing Western behavior, it’s about swaggering into a room, flexing a muscle, and hoping to elicit some admiring sighs. In this case, the sighs are more recruits and more donations to keep their organization alive. They have to keep proving they are more relevant than their competing terrorist groups. It’s just business. Nor should we blame America’s foreign policy as the spark that lights the fuse. Poverty, political oppression, systemic corruption, lack of education, lack of critical thinking, and general hopelessness in these countries is the spark. Yes, we’ve made mistakes that will be used to justify recruiting new drones. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves that the recent report detailing our extensive and apparently ineffective use of torture caused any kind of mass terrorist volunteers. The world knew we tortured. The only thing the report revealed was how bad we were at it. More important, if recruits were swayed by logical idealism, they would realize that the fact that we conducted, released, and debated such a report is what makes America admirable. We don’t always do the right thing, but we strive to. We admit our faults and make adjustments. It may be glacial, but it’s movement forward. Knowing that these terrorist attacks are not about religion, we have to reach a point where we stop bringing Islam into these discussions. I know we aren’t there yet because much of the Western population doesn’t understand the Islamic religion. All they see are brutal beheadings, kidnappings of young girls, bloody massacres of children at schools, and these random shootings. Naturally, they are frightened when they hear the word Muslim or see someone in traditional Muslim clothing. Despite any charitable impulses, they also have to be thinking, “Better safe than sorry”—as they hurry in the opposite direction. When the Ku Klux Klan burn a cross in a black family’s yard, prominent Christians aren’t required to explain how these aren’t really Christian acts. Most people already realize that the KKK doesn’t represent Christian teachings. That’s what I and other Muslims long for—the day when these terrorists praising Mohammed or Allah’s name as they debase their actual teachings are instantly recognized as thugs disguising themselves as Muslims. It’s like bank robbers wearing masks of presidents; we don’t really think Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush hit the Bank of America during their down time. We can’t end terrorism any more than we can end crime in general. Ironically, terrorism is actually an act against the very religion they claim to believe in. It’s an acknowledgement that the religion and its teachings aren’t
[Marxism] MI5 chief seeks new powers after Paris magazine attack
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/08/mi5-chief-charlie-hebdo-attack-paris-andrew-parker The head of MI5 , Andrew Parker, has called for new powers to help fight Islamist extremism, warning of a dangerous imbalance between increasing numbers of terrorist plots against the UK and a drop in the capabilities of intelligence services to snoop on communications. Parker described the Paris attack as “a terrible reminder of the intentions of those who wish us harm” and said he had spoken to his French counterparts to offer help. Speaking to an invited audience at MI5 headquarters, he said the threat level to Britain had worsened and Islamist extremist groups in Syria and Iraq were directly trying to orchestrate attacks on the UK. An attack on the UK was “highly likely” and MI5 could not give a guarantee it would be able to stop it, he said. “Strikingly, working with our partners, we have stopped three UK terrorist plots in recent months alone,” he said. “Deaths would certainly have resulted otherwise. Although we and our partners try our utmost, we know that we cannot hope to stop everything.” Britain had increased security checks at the French border, including extra vehicle searches, in light of the Paris terrorist attack to make sure the suspects do not enter the country, Downing Street said . The UK faces many of the same threats as France and the rest of Europe from al-Qaida, from extremist groups in Syria and Iraq and from elsewhere in the Middle East, Asia and North Africa.Parker claimed Islamic State was “trying to direct terrorist attacks in the UK and elsewhere from Syria, using violent extremists here as their instruments”. It was also “seeking through propaganda to provoke individuals in the UK to carry out violent attacks here”. About 50% of MI5’s work is now devoted to counter-terrorism. Parker said: “My sharpest concern as director general of MI5 is the growing gap between the increasingly challenging threat and the decreasing availability of capabilities to address it.” Almost all of MI5’s top-priority UK counter-terrorism investigations had used intercept capabilities in some form to identify, understand and disrupt plots, he said. “So if we lose that ability, if parts of the radar go dark and terrorists are confident that they are beyond the reach of MI5 and GCHQ , acting with proper legal warrant, then our ability to keep the country safe is also reduced.” The intelligence agencies in the UK and the US claim that the Snowden revelations in 2013 about the scale of bulk data collection have undermined their capabilities. Parker said: “We all value our privacy – and none of us want it intruded upon improperly or unnecessarily. But I don’t want a situation where that privacy is so absolute and sacrosanct that terrorists and others who mean us harm can confidently operate from behind those walls without fear of detection. “If we are to do our job, MI5 will continue to need to be able to penetrate their communications as we have always done. That means having the right tools, legal powers and the assistance of companies which hold relevant data. Currently, this picture is patchy.” _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Sony’s Legal Threats in Hacking Scandal Face First Amendment Hurdle
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Reading Trotsky While Watching Kurosawa » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. i want to go back and read more of your film criticism and your article, trotsky on revolutionary art (this weekend). here's a provocative gem from this article. Art is not propaganda. It is instead a way for people to connect with deeper humanitarian impulses that lay buried beneath the grime of daily life in a capitalist society growing ever more barbarian by the day. is this meant as a complete definition? for art? film art? narrative art? i like the sentiment but i want to say that it still seems a little restrictive despite broadening a notion of art as pure propaganda. at the danger of appearing ignorant, degenerate or even pedantic i think there are itches i want to scratch that are not overtly humanitarian, or humane even. perhaps human impulses fits better what i want. is this what you meant? - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 11:50:22 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Reading Trotsky While Watching Kurosawa » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * In Search of a Marxist Method for Film Criticism Reading Trotsky While Watching Kurosawa by LOUIS PROYECT A couple of weeks ago an Australian friend and fellow Marxist raised some interesting questions about film: I have just moved to the capital city of the state and attended my first film festival. I have always enjoyed movies but in the past have been living in regional centers. It got me thinking about what constitutes a “good movie” and yourself and David Walsh are the only two Marxist movie critics I can think of. David never seems to like anything very much and his discussion of culture – which is interesting- relies heavily on Trotsky’s ‘Literature and Revolution’. I know you have written in passing about the sort of movies you like but wondered if you’d written more systematic about Marxism movie criticism. Despite having written over nine hundred film reviews in the past twenty years or so, I have never really given much thought to the question of “Marxist movie criticism”. Unfortunately Walsh has stopped writing film reviews for the World Socialist Website, which for my money was the only thing worth reading there. It’s a dirty little secret but most of the material that appears on wsws.org is extracted from the bourgeois press and then spiked with Marxist rhetoric about how evil the capitalist system is, as if we needed any reminding. I’d rather read the NY Times and make such observations myself. full: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/26/reading-trotsky-while-watching-kurosawa/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: 700 Free Movies Online: Great Classics, Indies, Noir, Westerns | Open Culture
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis! but ride the pink horse is still unavailable! - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:14:33 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: 700 Free Movies Online: Great Classics, Indies, Noir, Westerns | Open Culture POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.openculture.com/freemoviesonline _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] it's our job to keep another Hollacast from happening.
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * ha! if north korea is responsible for these revelations, i'll freely admit that my attitude toward that regime is becoming complicated. of course, l.a. does not have a monopoly on stupidity. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:12:51 AM Subject: [Marxism] it's our job to keep another Hollacast from happening. POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Some good friends working in Hollywood once told me about 25 years ago when I was thinking about relocating to LA that I could leave my brain in NY since I won't be needing it. http://gawker.com/the-natalie-portman-ryan-seacrest-gaza-strip-reply-all-1674694296 _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Sony Hack: Clooney Says Movie is about Snowden, Not Journalism - The Intercept
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i'm aghast! surely hollywood doesn't work with the government. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Charles Faulkner lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:57:39 AM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: Sony Hack: Clooney Says Movie is about Snowden, Not Journalism - The Intercept POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/22/sony-hack-snowden-movie-sausage-gets-made-thrown-away/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Links Magazine in Australia: a sinkhole of Great Russian chauvinism
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * i am responding primarily because i see little defense of louis in these exchanges and i tend to stay out of them. while he obviously needs little help from the likes of me i want to say that i do not believe i am ill served by him as a moderator and that i am on this list only because of him. sometimes i am distressed by the exchanges but understand that i am coming in late on long running arguments. i find that louis' occasional vitriol has clarified divisions on the left that previously have been opaque to me. i also have seen him respond to quite bizarre accusations. i don't know how he finds the energy to respond at all. some of the shit he deals with just makes me tired. case in point. i have no idea what you mean by the below. it doesn't seem to work at all. literally or ironically. I agree that we are ill served by our moderator, who is not only an irritable duffer prone to ad hominem attacks, but also willfully ignores the overwhelming evidence that Putinist Russia, since it has already solved all its own problems at home in the most egalitarian, progressive, democratic, and humane way possible, is an anti-imperialist, leftist paradise uniquely placed to liberate millions of Ukrainians from their brutal far-right regime: _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Links Magazine in Australia: a sinkhole of Great Russian chauvinism
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * ha! so he was defending you? it's all so complicated ... thanks louis. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect l...@panix.com To: Faulkner, Charles lacena...@comcast.net, Serve, Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:50:26 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Links Magazine in Australia: a sinkhole of Great Russian chauvinism On 12/6/14 11:42 AM, Charles Faulkner via Marxism wrote: i have no idea what you mean by the below. it doesn't seem to work at all. literally or ironically. I agree that we are ill served by our moderator, who is not only an irritable duffer prone to ad hominem attacks, but also willfully ignores the overwhelming evidence that Putinist Russia, since it has already solved all its own problems at home in the most egalitarian, progressive, democratic, and humane way possible, is an anti-imperialist, leftist paradise uniquely placed to liberate millions of Ukrainians from their brutal far-right regime: That was written in irony by Thomas Campbell who was active on the Russian left and who I count as a major influence on my rethinking Russia's political role. I had already begun to move away from anti-imperialist support for Putin after the second invasion of Chechnya, an atrocity that clearly inspired Bashar al-Assad. To keep up with Thomas's coverage of Russian politics, bookmark this: https://therussianreader.wordpress.com/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Cliff Conner on Ernie Tate's memoir
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * thanks louis. all of that is of great interest to me and i just bought them. - Original Message - From: Serve, Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Faulkner, Charles lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 2:31:35 PM Subject: [Marxism] Cliff Conner on Ernie Tate's memoir POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Dear friends and comrades, I want to strongly recommend Ernie Tate’s 2-volume memoir, Revolutionary Activism in the 1950s and '60s. I just posted a review of Volume 2 on Amazon. Here it is: A KEY PARTICIPANT’S ACCOUNT OF THE 1960s YOUTH RADICALIZATION IN BRITAIN I previously reviewed Volume 1 of this set and also gave it 5 stars, but there are important differences between the two volumes. I found much of personal interest in Vol. 1 but I recognize that readers who don't share Ernest Tate's political-activist background might not value it as highly. Vol. 2, however, should be of great interest to a much broader readership because it provides an insider's view of an extremely important historical event—namely, the creation of the powerful anti-Vietnam-War movement in Great Britain during the 1960's and early 70's. An essential contribution to that movement was made by the Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation and the International War Crimes Tribunal that it gave birth to. Tate and his comrade-in-arms Jess MacKenzie were closely involved with all of these developments, and his narrative account of their battles and eventual triumphs is fascinating. And underlying all of his mass work was Tate's central role in bringing a British section of the Fourth International into being. What he has to say about his dealings with key figures in the antiwar, labor, and socialist movements such as Bertrand Russell, Ralph Shoenman, David Horowitz, Isaac and Tamara Deutscher, Ernest Mandel, Vladimir Dedijer, Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir, Laurent Schwartz, Tariq Ali, Ken Coates, Pat Jordan, Tony Cliff, Gerry Healy and many more will be of immense value to historians trying to understand the great youth radicalization as it played out in Britain during those turbulent years. If I have not already dropped enough interesting names, I will add that the book has photos of mass antiwar demonstrations with such notables as Vanessa Redgrave, Stephen Hawking, and Richard Branson [!] front and center. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: A prominent legal expert eviscerates the Darren Wilson prosecution, in 8 tweets - Vox
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * cross-examination at a grand jury hearing? is that what she's saying? i'm no expert but isn't that part of the problem? that there is no cross-examination at a grand jury hearing? that because of the conflict of interest of the prosecutor a grand jury panel will never get a vigorous recommendation for indictment? what prosecutor will go after a policeman when he has to rely on the police every fucking day? but it seems to me there is a solution. that in all instances when indictment of a policeman is at issue there will be appointment of a special prosecutor, perhaps chosen by the community, who is outside the criminal justice system in the venue of jurisdiction. then we may see someone motivated to seek indictment. - Original Message - From: Serve, Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Faulkner, Charles lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:13:03 PM Subject: [Marxism] Fwd: A prominent legal expert eviscerates the Darren Wilson prosecution, in 8 tweets - Vox POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/25/7285265/darren-wilson-grand-jury _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Hong Kong activists plan trip to Beijing Saturday
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[Marxism] AP sources: IS, al-Qaida reach accord in Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/AP-sources-IS-al-Qaida-reach-accord-in-Syria-5890858.php ISTANBUL (AP) — Militant leaders from the Islamic State group and al-Qaida gathered at a farm house in northern Syria last week and agreed on a plan to stop fighting each other and work together against their opponents, a high-level Syrian opposition official and a rebel commander have told The Associated Press . Such an accord could present new difficulties for Washington's strategy against the IS group. While warplanes from a U.S.-led coalition strike militants from the air, the Obama administration has counted on arming moderate rebel factions to push them back on the ground. Those rebels, already considered relatively weak and disorganized, would face far stronger opposition if the two heavy-hitting militant groups now are working together. IS — the group that has seized nearly a third of Syria and Iraq with a campaign of brutality and beheadings this year — and al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria, known as the Nusra Front, have fought each other bitterly for more than a year to dominate the rebellion against Syrian President Bashar Assad . The Associated Press reported late last month on signs that the two groups appear to have curtailed their feud with informal local truces. Their new agreement, according to the sources in rebel groups opposed to both IS and Nusra Front, would involve a promise to stop fighting and team up in attacks in some areas of northern Syria. Cooperation, however, would fall short of unifying the rival groups, and experts believe any pact between the two sides could easily unravel. U.S. intelligence officials have been watching the groups closely and say a full merger is not expected soon — if ever. A U.S. official with access to intelligence about Syria said the American intelligence community has not seen any indications of a shift in the two groups' strategy, but added that he could not rule out tactical deals on the ground. The official insisted on anonymity because he said he was not authorized to speak publicly about the subject. According to a Syrian opposition official speaking in Turkey, the meeting took place Nov. 2 in the town of Atareb, west of Aleppo, starting at around midnight and lasting until 4 a.m. The official said the meeting was closely followed by members of his movement, and he is certain that an agreement was reached. The official said about seven top militant leaders attended. A second source, a commander of brigades affiliated with the Western-backed Free Syrian Army who is known as Abu Musafer said he also had learned that high-ranking members of Nusra and IS met on Nov. 2. He did not disclose the exact location, but said it was organized by a third party and took place in an area where the FSA is active. According to Abu Musafer, two decisions were reached: First, to halt infighting between Nusra and IS and second, for the groups together to open up fronts against Kurdish fighters in a couple of new areas of northern Syria. The Nusra Front has long been seen as one of the toughest factions trying to oust Assad in a civil war estimated to have killed more than 200,000 since 2011. The Islamic State group entered the Syria war in 2012 from its original home in Iraq and quickly earned a reputation for brutality and for trying to impose itself as the leading faction in the rebellion behind which all pious Muslims should united. Al-Qaida initially rejected IS's claims to any role in Syria, and Nusra and other factions entered a war-within-a-war against it. But the Islamic State group swelled in power and became flush with weapons and cash after overrunning much of northern and western Iraq over the summer. According to the opposition official, the meeting included an IS representative, two emissaries from Nusra Front, and attendees from the Khorasan Group , a small but battle-hardened band of al-Qaida veterans from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Also reported present at the meeting was Jund al-Aqsa , a hard-line faction that has sworn allegiance to IS; and Ahrar al-Sham , a conservative Muslim rebel group. The official said IS and the Nusra Front agreed to work to destroy the Syrian Revolutionaries Front, a prominent rebel faction armed and trained by the United States and led by a fighter named Jamal Maarouf . They agreed to keep fighting until all of the force, estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 fighters, was eliminated, the official said. During the meeting, IS also offered to send extra fighters to Nusra Front for an assault it launched last week on Western-backed rebels from
[Marxism] Syria airstrike kills 9, including children
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/Syria-airstrike-kills-9-including-children-5890871.php BEIRUT (AP) — At least nine people were killed, including three children, in a Syrian government airstrike that targeted a rebel-held town near the capital Damascus on Thursday. There were likely more dead in the airstrike that hit a residential building in the town of Saqba, said the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and local activists on a Saqba Facebook group. The Saqba activists published a series of videos showing the strike's aftermath. The videos appeared genuine and corresponded to The Associated Press reporting of the event. They showed men rushing into buildings, carrying limp bodies. Other men dug out people from the rubble; and later, the lifeless bodies of some victims were seen wrapped in shrouds. Government forces have been pounding areas near Saqba for months as they try to repel rebels fighting to overthrow the rule of President Bashar Assad . Syrian airstrikes have killed thousands of civilians in the grinding war, now deep into its fourth year. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] RT.com is better
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * oh boy - Original Message - From: Serve, Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu To: Faulkner, Charles lacena...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:11:20 AM Subject: [Marxism] RT.com is better POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Edward Herman: RT.com, sponsored by Russia, is also better than the U.S. mainstream media on Ukraine. RT.com is also really good at uncovering the truth about Barack Obama: Barack Obama, the president of the United States of America, was previously married to a gay Pakistani man. That, at least, is according to a noted Tea Party activist and prominent 'birther' who swears that he has a case that is simply impermeable. Barely a year after US President Barack Obama buried the birther argument by providing the country with documentation verifying his American citizenship, an all-new conspiracy theory is being propagated after Jerome Corsi, an author and well-known member of the conservative Tea Party movement, says he has uncovered proof that links the commander-in-chief to a hush-hush marriage agreement with a Pakistani man. “The evidence, I think, is very strong,” Corsi claims in a video he has uploaded on YouTube to the TeaPartyOrg channel on August 6. That proof, according to Corsi, comes in part from multiple pictures he’s uncovered of President Obama wearing a ring on his finger that were taken before his 1992 wedding to the first lady. That, insists Corsi, clearly shows that he must have been, of course, married to a man. full: http://rt.com/usa/obama-married-man-corsi-285/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
