M-TH: Re:LOV, butterflies and babies

1999-11-24 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Simon writes, poetically: >Our job is not to pull the baby out of the womb. We are the baby, to use >the metaphor, being born. Or rather, we are a butterfly in the making, >reconstituting from a caterpillar via the pupae phase (the political >understanding, i.e. the form) to bursting from the chr

M-TH: Mother

1999-11-24 Thread Hugh Rodwell
How's this for a great piece of journalism? Mother Knows Best Once convinced that they should expend their precious parental energy, mothers go to great lengths to rear their young. Most impressive is the Australian social spider. As her spiderlings mature, she be

Re: M-TH: China and law of value.

1999-11-24 Thread Dave Bedggood
Simon wrote: > > I think that where we are parting company is that I am seeing the > productive relationship also as a social relationship, and the purpose of > revolution to change the social relationship by qualitatively changing the > productive relationship, not quantitatively. Yes SO

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-24 Thread J.WALKER
James, Thanks for the article, well it managed to work me up and I haven't finished it yet!!! One point about your brief reply, which may just be me being over picky is where you say: > What we need to do now is to formulate the vision that Meszaros describes in > simple, attractive and concr

Re: M-TH: Meszaros article: "Communism Is No Utopia"

1999-11-24 Thread J.WALKER
Meszaros says that communism concerns control and asks: > what sort of control? In the past it was assumed that political control would do It was not political control that was at the heart of Communism but the control of the means of poduction, short and simple. Communism is effectively about p

M-TH: Fw: It didn't start with the Sparts...and it won't end there either,if these comrades keep it up...

1999-11-24 Thread Michael Pugliese
- Original Message - From: Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 5:17 PM Subject: It didn't start with the Sparts...and it won't end there either, if these comrades keep it up... > Ay, carumba! All the Trotskyist parties

Re: SV: M-TH: Re: Washington and Moscow

1999-11-24 Thread Rob Schaap
Hi again, Bob, >What did ya do turn on the tele or look in your cristalball to predict this? You want a crystal ball? A few weeks down the track Grosny will be a hole in the ground, Moscow will have reluctantly agreed to Wasington's 'moral' pleas to withdraw their regulars, Bislan Gantamirov wi

M-TH: The fall of the CPGB

1999-11-24 Thread J.WALKER
I found a couple of links for the article on the history of the CPGB and its various divisions since the winding up of the official organisation in 1991. The link to the Marxist Leninist List is: http://www.eGroups.com/group/marxist-leninist-list/4119.html The original document can also be fo

Re: M-TH: Re:LOV, butterflies and babies

1999-11-24 Thread Hugh Rodwell
In his reply to me Simon just gives us more of the same. But he adds: >And on value, well, we've been over this. You are talking >about suspending the PRICE mechanism. No, Dave's right here, there's no capitalist price without value, as Marx makes perfectly clear in the Grundrisse, the Contri

M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-24 Thread Hugh Rodwell
Ian H writes: >I do not have the time to say too much, but would like to say that I also >found Meszaros' article a really good read, and would like people to take >up the challenge to articulate a clear vision and strategy for socialism >unemcumbered with the baggage of our political past I'd

Re: M-TH: Re: Swedish fascism

1999-11-24 Thread Charles Brown
Thanks to Hugh and Stuart for critiquing the LA Times article. I did not intend to endorse the political perspective of the Times writer in general or regarding Sweden in particular, as reflected in the several aspects that Hugh points to. I was more sending it for the sort of minimal factual

M-TH: Re: German crash landing..

1999-11-24 Thread Hinrich Kuhls
>Whats "Rhenish Capitalism"? >Bob The following definition sounds a rather good explanation of the term, which is quite common over here in the political discourse when distinguishing German society in juxtaposition to the Anglo-American model: "The region of "Rhenish capitalism" (West German

Re: M-TH: Re: Meszaros article

1999-11-24 Thread Ian Hunt
The past is valuable regardless of allegiances. Mistakes are valuable if we learn from them. What I was referring to is some of the more totemistic, charismatic styles of thinking and writing that socialist movements have been plagued with, which Meszaros' article is blissfully free of. Trotskyist

Re: Fwd: M-TH: The fall of the CPGB/Robert Wyatt

1999-11-24 Thread Michael Pugliese
Seeing the name of ex-Marxism Today editor Martin Jacques in the piece on the CPGB reminded me of a song by radical "progressive" ( as in say Soft Machine or King Crimson say not the more first meaning that list members think of) rocker, Robert Wyatt. On the album, "Old Rottenhatt," there is

SV: M-TH: Re:LOV, butterflies and babies

1999-11-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Simon writes.. > > What I was expressing was that humanity is the substance of these varied > forms, and social revolution is the production of a new historical form > dictated by the physical nature of the entity - Well it appears that you want to replace classes and class struggle with some s

M-TH: No Hugh Rasputin!

1999-11-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Ian blurps out! Reminding everybody that he defends this utopian bullshit of Mezaro which is completely outside of history and class struggle that appears to be trendy in certain parts of the left today. And I agree with Hugh that this is not new but based in early Russian anarchism. Allbut

SV: SV: M-TH: Re: Washington and Moscow

1999-11-24 Thread Bob Malecki
Rob writes! > Hi again, Bob, > > >What did ya do turn on the tele or look in your cristalball to predict this? > > You want a crystal ball? A few weeks down the track Grosny will be a hole > in the ground, Moscow will have reluctantly agreed to Wasington's 'moral' > pleas to withdraw their r