[Marxism-Thaxis] The Internationale

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/int/internationale.html The Internationale Words by Eugene Pottier (Paris 1871) Music by Pierre Degeyter (1888) Arise ye workers from your slumbers Arise ye prisoners of want For reason in revolt now thunders And at last ends the age of cant. Away with all

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Internationale

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
The Internationale [variant words in square brackets] http://www.uv.es/~pla/red.net/intaoter.html Arise ye workers [starvelings] from your slumbers Arise ye prisoners of want For reason in revolt now thunders And at last ends the age of cant. Away with all your superstitions Servile masses

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Internationale

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Back to Modern History SourceBook Modern History Sourcebook: The Internationale The Internationale is the international song of both Marxist and non-Marxist socialist parties. It was written in French by Eugene

[Marxism-Thaxis] The Internationale

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Modern History Sourcebook: The Internationale http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/internat.html The Internationale is the international song of both Marxist and non-Marxist socialist parties. It was written in

[Marxism-Thaxis] Trans-historical class struggle as based drive or instinct

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Charles: Again, all human complex behavior has a significant learning component, i.e. experiential. Some of it is entirely learned or experiential. But different HISTORICAL epochs have different experiences. So, for something under the ancient slave mode to be the same thing- class struggle - as

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx refers to a dialectical law (Hegelian form)

2009-01-19 Thread Waistline2
Marxism still shares a commonality with theology. Claiming Marx method and approach, requires propositions to be explained on the basis of the Hegelian form. The tendency is to claim principles - Marx method, rather than a convincing argument. For instance the negation of the negation - as a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx refers to a dialectical law (Hegelian form)

2009-01-19 Thread Ralph Dumain
It would be more accurate, in view of what is being criticized, to say that marxism-Leninism bears a commonality with theology, though there too it would be more accurate to substitute metaphysics for theology. It is well known that Marx held a dim view of metaphysical Hegelian reasoning,

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx refers to a dialectical law (Hegelian form)

2009-01-19 Thread Waistline2
Indeed, the way that Marxism-Leninism was institutionalized and taught, it was turned into this sort of vacuous metaphysical position that can be arbitrarily mapped onto any given phenomenon. This, however, was not Marx's practice. And Engels, while writing some confused passages on the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Superimperialism

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
[Marxism-Thaxis] Superimperialism , Empire, Americofourthreich Charles Brown CharlesB at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us Tue Dec 11 09:11:20 MST 2001 Previous message: [Marxism-Thaxis] An old chestnut Next message: [Marxism-Thaxis] Taliban screwed it up Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject

[Marxism-Thaxis] Lenin’s Five-Point Definition of Imperialism

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
2. Lenin’s Five-Point Definition of Imperialism However, Lenin went well beyond this fundamental proposition, that modern imperialism is “the monopoly stage of capitalism”.6 He gave a more elaborate 5-point definition of capitalist imperialism as follows: And so, without forgetting the conditional

[Marxism-Thaxis] Rehearsal of the Fundamentals of Marxism

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Materialism, Necessity and Freedom: Rehearsal of the Fundamentals of Marxism A three act play with beginning, middle and end, and non-dogmatic improvisation. Several vulgar parts Double materialist determination; there are two levels of determination, in materialism attitude toward the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Marxist materialism

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
I am interpreting Marxist materialism with respect to the Realm of Necessity or class divided to society to mean that biology determines society in this area _indirectly_. By that I mean, the provision of physiological/biological _necessities_ - food, water, shelter, sleep, air, protection

[Marxism-Thaxis] Necessary condition in logic

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
This is very helpful in specifying the non-Marxist point of view on this point. Marx's position is the opposite of this. Science is based in discovering necessary connections. Here necessary is exactly as in the logical _modus ponens_ or if-then, if p, then q, q is a necessary

[Marxism-Thaxis] Materialism

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Frederick Engels Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy Part 2: Materialism http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/ludwig-feuerbach/ch02.htm

[Marxism-Thaxis] Third level of materialist determination

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Third level of materialism Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us Fri May 30 08:00:16 PDT 2008 Previous message: [lbo-talk] Materialism, idealism, theory, practice, etc. Next message: [lbo-talk] The Nation does CNA-SEIU Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]

[Marxism-Thaxis] Anton Wilhelm Amo, philosopher, from Ghana to Germany

2009-01-19 Thread Ralph Dumain
Completely unrelated to the Martin Luther King holiday and the Second Coming of Barack Obama, I have been immersed in black intellectual history for the past few days. I've learned some things about the early history of academic African-American philosophy as well as the history of street

[Marxism-Thaxis] Second Thesis on Feuerbach as Mother wit

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
The second Thesis on Feuerbach - the test of theory is practice - is pretty much the Mother witicism : the proof of the pudding is in the eating; or, even better. the proof of the recipe ( theory ) is in the

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] natural scientific like theory in social science

2009-01-19 Thread Ralph Dumain
This quote alone contradicts your subject heading. Only the economic conditions can be ascertained with the precision of natural science, and Marx insists on a distinction between those and superstructural institutional and ideological conditions. He also says in this preface that societies,

[Marxism-Thaxis] Natural scientists must have political consciousness

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
shag oh. of course they ignored it. part of the deal is that they also argued science itself was imperialist, racist, sexist, etc. In other words, the antidote to ideologically driven science was not more science but questioning the claims about science being the answer at all. people would

[Marxism-Thaxis] Voyou

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Voyou I doubt anyone who studies political theory or literary theory would disagree with your contention that economics, politics, history, law, literature, are humanistic endeavors and are not ready, and may never be ready, for scientific theory making. CB: Of course, many who

[Marxism-Thaxis] Natural laws in _Capital_

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Natural laws in _Capital_ Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us Thu Jun 5 08:12:19 PDT 2008 Previous message: [lbo-talk] _Capital_ as science Next message: [lbo-talk] Incredible vintage Bo Diddley clip Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Search LBO-Talk

[Marxism-Thaxis] Third level of materialism

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Third level of materialism Let me suggest a third level of materialist determination, derived from the struggle between the Marxists and the structuralists/post-moderns, et. al. The superstructure is _determined_ when it is changed. It is changed only rarely, in revolutions. Revolutions

[Marxism-Thaxis] Materialism and sexuality

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Butler Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us Thu Jun 5 13:48:15 PDT 2008 Previous message: [lbo-talk] Neocons' last throw? Next message: [lbo-talk] Butler Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Search LBO-Talk Archives Limit search to: Subject Body

[Marxism-Thaxis] Naturally organized sociality and symbolically organized sociality

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
[lbo-talk] Naturally organized sociality and symbolically organized sociality Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us Thu Jun 5 14:14:56 PDT 2008 Previous message: [lbo-talk] Butler Next message: [lbo-talk] Naturally organized sociality and symbolically organized sociality Messages

[Marxism-Thaxis] Secondly, I am _agreeing_ with Butler. My statement pronounces the same principle that she seems to make in her statement. I am agreeing with her long sentence. She seems to be descri

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Secondly, I am _agreeing_ with Butler. My statement pronounces the same principle that she seems to make in her statement. I am agreeing with her long sentence. She seems to be describing how a structure changes - a dialecticians response to structuralism, perhaps the first post-structural

[Marxism-Thaxis] Symbolic

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Does this mean you are defending the concept that the social is built upon the exchange of women amongst men? robert wood CB: No . This passage from Marx is not on that topic. By and large this is referring to a one-on-one, an intimate one-on-one. ( As an aside, on that topic, note that

[Marxism-Thaxis] (no subject)

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
[lbo-talk] Butler Charles Brown charlesb at cncl.ci.detroit.mi.us Fri Jun 6 08:17:23 PDT 2008 Previous message: [lbo-talk] Butler Next message: [lbo-talk] Chinese defense minister thanks U.S. for quake aid

[Marxism-Thaxis] Sex is doubly social

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Voyou said: I think Marx makes this point somewhere in the 1844 Manuscripts, but I can't find the exact reference right now. ^^^ Here's where Marx makes the point about sex being doubly social, both naturally and culturally(socially) social. ^^^ In the approach to woman as the spoil and

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Second Thesis on Feuerbach as Mother wit

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org 01/19/2009 6:31 PM This is silly. Motherwit is just uncritical peasant common sense. It has its virtues, but is inherently limited and superstitious. Secondly, lifting undigested phrases from Engels, or Marx, proves nothing. Here Engels' point is

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] natural scientific like theory in socialscience

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org 01/19/2009 6:27 PM This quote alone contradicts your subject heading. Only the economic conditions can be ascertained with the precision of natural science, ^^ CB: Wrong. Economic conditions are social conditions, thus their science is a social

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx refers to a dialectical law(Hegelian form)

2009-01-19 Thread Charles Brown
Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org 01/19/2009 12:15 PM It would be more accurate, in view of what is being criticized, to say that marxism-Leninism bears a commonality with theology, though there too it would be more accurate to substitute metaphysics for theology. ^^^ CB: This is a

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Marx refers to a dialectical law(Hegelian form)

2009-01-19 Thread Waistline2
It would be more accurate, in view of what is being criticized, to say that marxism-Leninism bears a commonality with theology, though there too it would be more accurate to substitute metaphysics for theology. ^^^ CB: This is a tired claim that I have refuted with argument often.

[Marxism-Thaxis] Obama’s inauguration

2009-01-19 Thread Waistline2
Obama’s inauguration has generated and revealed profound emotions of mass support for his presidency unlike anything I have ever experience. I actually feel good about him being sworn into office tomorrow. Obama as president is the damnest thing to happen in my life, and none of the power of

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Feitshization -things vs relations

2009-01-19 Thread Waistline2
BodyS writes: Fetishizing, it seems to me, is the transformation of the thing into a social entity. (end) The problem is that Marx's view is the exact opposite. For him, fetishization is the transformation of a social relation of power into a thing -- for instance, the car is assigned the