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2009-02-22 Thread Ralph Dumain
This is off-topic, but since this is a GNU-Mailman mailing list and since so many of the members belong to many discussion lists, this should be a decent place to submit my question. I subscribe to numerous yahoo groups, and even have two of my own. I also subscribe to several Mailman mailing

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?

2009-02-22 Thread Waistline2
No. The withering away of the state is predicated upon a couple of things: the withering away of the need for massive organized armed bodies of men domestically and internationally; the destruction of the value relations and the resolution of class antagonism. I was reluctant to

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?

2009-02-22 Thread Waistline2
But Lenin wrote (in State and Revolution) that the withering away of the state begins at the very instance when the proletariat (the armed working class) takes power. The Commune-state is a state of a new type. The soviet state, alas, though not strangled at birth by the

[Marxism-Thaxis] Review of Sokal's Beyond the Hoax

2009-02-22 Thread Charles Brown
Ralph Dumain I thought Proyect hated Sokal. ^ CB: I don't know about that. I think he doesn't hold much truck with post-modernism ^ The review is hardly brilliant but it is to the point. I am sure Sokal got all his information about India from Meera Nanda, who has written numerous

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?

2009-02-22 Thread Phil Walden
I would agree with Jim F that present day Russia is some form of state capitalism. On the nature of the former Soviet Union I think it was none of the alternatives offered by Jim (and by Trotskyism in the post-war period). It was a bureaucratic bourgeois state in which a surplus was extracted

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?

2009-02-22 Thread Ralph Dumain
Total idiocy, delusional nonsense, senseless gibberish, from first word to last. At 09:53 PM 2/22/2009, Charles Brown wrote: I agree that these are the classical Marxist-Leninist theory, definitions, schema and order of the process, but I'm thinking that actuality, actual history, the concrete

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?

2009-02-22 Thread Waistline2
Quantifying history and historical progression, all ways get me in trouble, yet this stops no one from quantifying history. I believe that the American state, as we know it is going to change at lightening speed, after a change in the property relations. What happens in America is very

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ?

2009-02-22 Thread Waistline2
Wandering thoughts and notes related to the tread. From 1928 with Stalin's Industrialization of the Country speech and plan, to his death in 1953, the polices of forced collectivization, rapid industrialization and centralized planning through a series of five year plans held complete

Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Did the Soviet state whither away ? (lenin on class in 1919

2009-02-22 Thread Waistline2
Socialism means the abolition of classes. The dictatorship of the proletariat has done all it could to abolish classes. But classes cannot be abolished at one stroke. And classes still remain and will remain in the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The dictatorship will become