Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling

[DW via Marxism]

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Apology to Clay for calling him a state dept socialist. This was out of
line here and it not accurate (that positions are congruent with this or
that Imperialist position doesn't make one a "state dept socialist").

David

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Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling

[Clay Claiborne via Marxism]

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Ukraine ALLOWED  over 100 planes a day to fly over a conflict zone. If
FORCED zero to do so. Should civilian planes be ALLOWED to fly over Syria,
Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Congo, Sudan, CAR, etc. I'd like to see your map
of where planes should be ALLOWED to fly.

The real question is how long Russian attacks on Ukraine will be ALLOWED -
and defended by people on this list.

Clay Claiborne, Director
Vietnam: American Holocaust 
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Venice, CA 90291
(310) 581-1536

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 7:27 AM, DW via Marxism  wrote:

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> "Why should they even bother? I've already discredited those reports.
> Russia
> showed graphics [not data] that had an Su-25 tracking MH17 at 10km. I've
> already shown the Su-25 has a ceiling of 7km when it isn't carrying any
> arms."
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> So? An Su-25 flying at 20,000 feet can quite easily shadow a passenger
> liner flying at 33,000 ft. Why is his even a comment? Don't you know that
> an Su-25 can be a 1,000 feet and shoot down a plane at 40,000 feet? It can
> piggey back ground based phased-array radar to it's own upgraded weapons
> system and shoot any variety of air-to-air missiles to take it out. It's a
> flying "BUK" if you will. I think the Separatists shot it down but I can
> see the Ukrainian gov't, that ALLOWED this plane to fly over a military
> conflict zone, quite happy about the Russians shooting it down. The point
> is the 'ceiling' is a wholly irrelevant point unless it was going to use
> it's cannons to shoot it down.
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> David
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Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling

[DW via Marxism]

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"Why should they even bother? I've already discredited those reports. Russia
showed graphics [not data] that had an Su-25 tracking MH17 at 10km. I've
already shown the Su-25 has a ceiling of 7km when it isn't carrying any
arms."

So? An Su-25 flying at 20,000 feet can quite easily shadow a passenger
liner flying at 33,000 ft. Why is his even a comment? Don't you know that
an Su-25 can be a 1,000 feet and shoot down a plane at 40,000 feet? It can
piggey back ground based phased-array radar to it's own upgraded weapons
system and shoot any variety of air-to-air missiles to take it out. It's a
flying "BUK" if you will. I think the Separatists shot it down but I can
see the Ukrainian gov't, that ALLOWED this plane to fly over a military
conflict zone, quite happy about the Russians shooting it down. The point
is the 'ceiling' is a wholly irrelevant point unless it was going to use
it's cannons to shoot it down.

David

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Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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On 7/22/14 5:39 PM, h0ost via Marxism wrote:

Can you name a contemporary state that has good "truth telling" record,
so we can compare it to the Russians?  The U.S.?


The truth is that they are mirror images of each other. When Russians 
shot down a Korean airliner, there were clear signs that the plane had 
been testing Soviet air defenses. But both countries pushed CYA excuses 
for weeks afterwards. In this instance, however Occam's Razor applies. 
Given what we know, it seems incontrovertible that a separatist missile 
brought the plane down. If I had been Putin or his pit bulldog in 
Donetsk, I would have given a speech regretting the loss of life but put 
the blame on NATO, the EU, Samantha Power, George Soros, Nicholas 
Kristof, the Illuminati, and the Unrepentant Marxist blog for creating 
the conditions that made such a tragic incident possible.


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Re: [Marxism] Russian Military Intelligence poor record for truth telling

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On 07/22/2014 03:28 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:
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> Russian military intelligence has often been cited recently for proof
> that somebody else has been behind a grand conspiracy to shoot down
> flight MH17 and blame it on the Russians, but they have a poor> truth telling.
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Not to be picky, but we haven't seen much data from NATO or the U.S. to
counteract the radar data presented by the Russian military yesterday.
There are rumors that the U.S. will present counter-data tomorrow.

Can you name a contemporary state that has good "truth telling" record,
so we can compare it to the Russians?  The U.S.?

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