In a message dated 6/21/2004 3:12:26 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your honesty is admirable so do not be concerned if you do not agree as
this list is intended for debates and needless to say...all debates are open to
criticism which is a very basic essential to
History has a strange way of getting in its own way because we are dealing
with human beings who tend to step on their own feet. The spontaneous
development of the means of production is an abstraction an important one, but an
abstraction. Real human beings complicate the history they
In a message dated 6/22/2004 12:36:05 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It appears that if you have to take the tone to question who the f++k I am
sounds like perhaps you need to calm down. Your posting is curious so I will
address it as I have, if you take offense at it
In a message dated 6/23/2004 6:00:09 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It would appear that Melvin responded to your email to me by mistake.
That is all. By questioning his credentials you have now seemingly upset
each other. Melvin is an African American. I am an Irish
Terms have to be defined in the context in which they are used.
Syndicalism was defined as a form of trade unionism with the aim of workers
owning the means of production and distribution. Its final goal is the
control of society by federated bodies of industrial workers and its
In a message dated 6/23/2004 10:05:54 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Terms have to be defined in the context in which they are used.
Comment
Then there is the question of a definition and meaning of class.
This is tricky because we are talking about applied
The over view on class is bascially ready but I wanted to beef it up a
little bit with some quotes and references to Marx and Engels. The I am trying to
change the form of exposition and reverse engineer the question of class from
the standpoint of the existence of a communist society.
It
Class and the theory of the American Revolution
Beginning with Marx is never wrong.
Economic conditions had first transformed the mass of the people of the
country into worker. The combination of capital has created for this mass a
common situation, common interests. This mass is thus
In a message dated 6/26/2004 3:13:49 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Melvin, I'm glad to see you do understand our situation. You were
looking for a decent book on the fall of the Soviet Union - I have Sam
Marcy 'Perestroika - a Marxist Critique' (WWP) and Heroic
In a message dated 6/27/2004 2:42:05 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Your characterisation which I flagged up was from your first post (which
you correctly identified was)...
Second there is no real security and I grew up in Detroit and lived
there for a life time.
In a message dated 6/27/2004 3:04:19 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
History has thoroughly exposed the Pabloite glorification of the
progressive camp of Stalinism, social democracy and bourgeois nationalism. Marcy
distinguished himself only by taking this perspective,
In a message dated 6/27/2004 4:29:27 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know what your complaint is really. Why does there need to be an
analysis? Are you some kind of some self-proclaimed Lenin of the masses for
today that you so arrogantly can tell anyone,
Karl Marx was specific concerning his contribution to economic thought,
social theory and why social and political revolution takes place in the life of
society. Marx and Engels spent an inordinate amount of time and writing
riveted to changes in the economic life of society or the
The Revolution of 1776 was big by any estimate. The Revolution of 1776
ushered in something new in human history . . . a whole new epoch of political
revolution under the banner of national liberation. National liberation meant
more than me and my country being liberated from you and
In a message dated 7/7/2004 3:26:13 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Keeran and Kenny maintain that the experience of market socialism leads to
the conclusion that socialism requires central planning, public ownership,
and restricted markets. In 1985, with central
I'd be interested in further comments on Keeran and Kenny's
Socialism Betrayed. I'm not sure what to think. They put a
lot of emphasis on the destructive role of the black market,
but it's not clear what they propose should have been done
about it. (They do more or less make the claim that
In a message dated 7/9/2004 5:01:14 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
I understand much of what you say: the bureaucracy was a natural thing
arising from the industrial mode of production.
Not trying to take the conversation too far forward
Socialism Betrayed by Keeran and Kenny remains a good read.
Chapter 7 - Conclusions and Implications contains theoretical implications
and statements as facts that reveal that far to many Marxists in the American
Union have yet to get honest with themselves . . . with historical events and
is there no way to get to communist society more directly from relative
scarcity, as might be the case in the wake of war or natural disaster? A
dogmatic economic-determinist interpretation of Marx suggests not, but I think
that's too narrow, at least in the present and likely future
Comrade D . . . some more thoughts on the Socialism Betrayed book.
The entire history of Soviet socialism shows that class struggle, the
struggle to abolish classes, does not end with the seizure of state power and does
not end after seventy years of building socialism, although in truth
In a message dated 7/23/2004 7:24:47 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
Melvin: The collapse of the form of Soviet society was historically
inevitable because it was an industrial society. The victory of the
counterrevolution was not inevitable
In a message dated 7/24/2004 12:50:39 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
I think your last reply to donoloc was the clearest expression yet of your
formulation of the problem of the transition to socialism and its limits in
the industrial
In a message dated 7/24/2004 12:50:39 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
I think your last reply to donoloc was the clearest expression yet of your
formulation of the problem of the transition to socialism and its limits
in the industrial
(full) http://www.lrna.org/doc.4/econ.html
The Technology Revolution
We are, and have been for at least the last 30 years, in the midst of a
profound technology revolution, where the central, controlling, essential
technology is changing from electro-mechanical to electronic-based
to negate bourgeois property - it was necessary to move beyond the
industrial mode of production. (I think you are equating the two in fact). This is a
big statement to make, I guess it is supported by the collapse of the SU and
others - but is it necessarily and universally true. Can you
DIALECTICS: QUANTITY, QUALITY, THE ANTAGONISTIC ELEMENT
http://www.scienceofsociety.org/texts/epoch/epoch.complete.html
Quality (in the sense we are using it) is a process. The sum total of the
stages of development (quantity) of the process is the process. Thus, there
cannot be a
This question concerning Soviet socialism . . . property . . . mode of
production and the negation of property or what has been understood as socialism
negating bourgeois property has to be unraveled on the basis of our moment
in history and what is taking place during oour moment in history
A common misconception about Marxism is that it is economic determinist.
That is, everything that happens in society is determined by the means of
production in some kind of automatic way. In their writings, Marx and Engels
showed the relation between the base of society and the edifice the
In a message dated 7/24/2004 12:50:39 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think your last reply to donoloc was the clearest expression yet of your
formulation of the problem of the transition to socialism and its limits in
the industrial system, including the sources of
In a message dated 7/26/2004 2:43:10 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
I still maintain my position and am willing to engage in new discourse on
this issue. Unfortunately I personally do not know of any Marxist-Leninist
material on this
In a message dated 7/26/2004 3:53:40 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
In the discourse on this issue over a year ago I made mention that it was
an issue for whatever reason was never elaborated on by Marx, Engels, Lenin or
Stalin. Of course
In a message dated 7/26/2004 10:33:18 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes: This crucial concept of Peak
Oil was first illustrated in bell-shaped curves by US geophysicist M. King
Hubbert, who in 1956 correctly predicted US oil production would peak
In a message dated 7/27/2004 1:35:41 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(and Hubbert Modelers)
Michael C. Lynch[1]
Full: _http://www.gasresources.net/Lynch(Hubbert-Deffeyes).htm_
(http://www.gasresources.net/Lynch(Hubbert-Deffeyes).htm)
to negate bourgeois property - it was necessary to move beyond the
industrial mode of production. (I think you are equating the two in fact). This is a
big statement to make, I guess it is supported by the collapse of the SU and
others - but is it necessarily and universally true. Can you
1.
The always identical logic of the principle of valorisation doesn't provoke
its eternal return, but an irreversible historic process to the
qualitatively changing conditions. Such a world constellation only must be explained
in
all time regarding the basis development of the world
In a message dated 9/9/2004 9:58:45 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Many self-styled progressives often make the mistake of calling for voting
for the lesser evil therebye showing themselves more dullwitted than the
bourgeoisie and lacking the wisdom of most workers who
In a message dated 9/9/2004 9:33:42 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
6.The issue isn't of few people breaking with the Democratic party
of of fighting daily issues but of proletarian forces, the few that are
organized, breaking with opportunism and ruthlessly,
6.The issue isn't of few people breaking with the Democratic party
of of fighting daily issues but of proletarian forces, the few that are
organized, breaking with opportunism and ruthlessly, painstakingly and
systematically struggling against all manifestations of opportunism to expose it
In a message dated 10/13/2004 3:36:59 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thomas Smitherman at least tries to get into the question of concrete
analysis of concrete conditions, whereas George Gruenthal and Melvin P. do
not. I therefore find it impossible to engage with most of the
In a message dated 10/13/2004 3:36:59 PM Central Standard Time:
,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thomas Smitherman at least tries to get into the question of concrete
analysis of concrete conditions, whereas George Gruenthal and Melvin P. do not. I
therefore find it impossible to engage with most
The interests of the working class and of its struggle against capitalism
demand complete solidarity and the closest unity of the workers of all nations;
they demand resistance to the nationalist policy of the bourgeoisie of every
nationality. Hence, Social-Democrats would be deviating from
Sorry . . . but I need to see what has been written and measure the
exposition. MLL is the forum because it is not anti-Stalin.
More to come.
Melvin P.
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The early September events in North Ossetia, Beslan and the hostage taking
and murder of over 300 people, has become a cause celebration for a section of
the so-called radical left advocating self determination of Chechnya. These
radicals evoke Lenin's celebrated writing on the
The National Question emerges as the issue of the domination of an
economically less developed people by a more economically developed peoples and
states.
This more economically developed is expressed in military as well as
economic forms of intercourse.
Let us return to Lenin.
Developing
Section 8 of Lenin's Right of Nations To Self Determination explains the
conditional nature of the National Factor.
Before passing on to Marx's positive declarations on Ireland, we must point
out that in general the attitude of Marx and Engels to the national question
was strictly critical,
The interests of the working class and of its struggle against capitalism
demand complete solidarity and the closest unity of the workers of all nations;
they demand resistance to the nationalist policy of the bourgeoisie of every
nationality. Hence, Social-Democrats would be deviating from
Communists of the Bolshevik trend in the American Union generally view the
October Revolution as representing a political juncture in the demarcation of
defining the National Question and world political history. With the National
Question the political juncture is called the difference between
We have not left the year 1920 and want to understand Lenin's presentation of
the National Question and the issue of self determination of nations. One is
hard pressed to find anything in Lenin concerning advancing the slogan self
determination after the confirmation of the October Revolution.
We have not left the year 1920 and want to understand Lenin's presentation of
the National Question and the issue of self determination of nations. One is
hard pressed to find anything in Lenin concerning advancing the slogan self
determination after the confirmation of the October Revolution.
We have not left the year 1920 and want to understand Lenin's presentation of
the National Question and the issue of self determination of nations. One is
hard pressed to find anything in Lenin concerning advancing the slogan self
determination after the confirmation of the October Revolution.
The National Question belongs to the period of the Bourgeois Democratic
Revolution and the October Revolution brought this period of history to an end.
After the October Revolution Communists (B) spoke of the National Colonial
Question. Here is how Lenin approached the National Factor in 1921
[EMAIL PROTECTED] has been giving a certain point of view on the right of
nations to self-determination. From from what I can understand he is saying
that this right ends after the October Revolution. If this is so then why did
Lenin and Stalin preserve this right in the Russian and Soviet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uses the example of Chechnia. Below is another point of
view from the ML Party of Ecuador: the comrades correctly point out that the
Russians like the US elsewhere call anyone a terrorist while denying their
right to self-determination.
Reply
Melvin: You thread on
Comment
The early September events in North Ossetia, Beslan and the hostage taking
and murder of over 300 people, has become a cause celebration for a section of
the so-called radical left advocating self determination of Chechnya. These
radicals evoke Lenin's celebrated writing on the
In a message dated 10/18/2004 4:46:36 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I keep an eye on the marxism list and saw this come up. Was wondering if
someone here could produce a decent critique of this. I read some of it and don't
think its a very deep (or perhaps even honest)
Part 2
Where does one begin in a critique of a critique of the so-called
Stalin-Trotsky debate, when the critiquer fundamental concepts express a moment in
history that has come and gone? That is to say, Soviet socialism cannot be assessed
based on the polarity that evolved as the Sino-Soviet
Part 3
An inordinate amount of time is spent examining what the author calls uneven
development of capitalism. He states:
Uneven or sporadic development of various countries acts constantly to
upset, but in no case to eliminate, the growing economic bonds and interdependence
between those
In discussion the Chapter our ML calls Complete Victory of Socialism In
the USSR(!), his exclamation point, we come face to face with the real theory
of the author. I maintain the article on the debate between Stalin and Trotsky
is not about Stalin or Trotsky but the critique personal point of
Part 5: Political buffoonery and ideological bankruptcy.
The political and ideological current of the mid to late 1960 and early 1970
called Marxist-Leninists or ML's, is not the political current identified
as Marxist-Leninists during the era of Stalin or the immediate post World War
II
Hindsight is a beautiful thing if one uses it. Often the shortest route to
disclosing the Marxist approach is the long way around.
During the 1970s and 1980s my view of what I thought was Soviet socialism was
somewhat different, although I was then what the moderator of Marxmail
called, an
Why is it that the working class in the American Union has not overthrown the
bourgeoisie? If one answered this question, because of the bankruptcy of
Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and its theory of revolution and polices, they would
have to prove that a genuine revolutionary crisis existed in
Chapter 5 of our ML turned Trotskyite debate between Stalin and Trotsky
is called On Foreign Policy and 95% of this chapter has nothing to do with
Soviet foreign policy but rather the Comintern. In as much as there is no new
material or perspective presented, it can be summed up as Stalin
The critique of Chapter 5 of our ML turned Trotskyite began with quoting
the very first paragraph in this chapter. Allow me to quote the second and third
paragraph to illustrate that what is at stake is not the debate between
Stalin and Trotsky, a debate Trotsky lost and never could have won in
Ray - the story of the music and life of Ray Charles is brilliant.
Jamie Fox playing Ray Charles was brilliant. I deeply enjoy movies that match
my conception and feel for who I think, or imagine myself to think, the
African American people are/our and the nuances of language and body
Let me first clarify that I am not a Trotskyite. The
aim of writing the above article on the debate was not
to uphold Trotsky and condemn Stalin. But I was
definitely a Stalinist earlier, before I read Trotsky.
I was surprised by the facts given by Trotsky about
the Stalin period. I had no answer
Part 8
My dispute is not over what the author calls the debate between Stalin and
Trotsky, a debate Leon Trotsky lost, but his conception of communism and Marxist
approach. Here is the very first paragraph in his summation.
Till now, I believed that one of the major theoretical contributions
Part 10
Marx is a beautiful thing and absolutely clear concerning the difference
between the law of value on the one hand and the law of value as it operates on
the basis of the bourgeois property relations. THE LAW OF VALUE IS NOT A
CAPITALISTIC LAW. The law of value is the most basic law
Part 11
Chapter 2 is called, Women, Family Youth and Culture, with subtitles like:
The Counter-Revolution: Changes in Womens Position During the Stalin
Period, and The Suppression of Creativity During Stalin Period.
The first section, the October Revolution and the Emancipation of Women
Part 11a.
Facts are stubborn things and our ML writes without pursuing the facts. We
can really compare Soviet policy and its shifts and turns based on hard cold
facts. We can of course look at today when the newly formed bourgeoisie in
Russia, in league with international capital has
Part 12
The condition and actual social position of women is the gage of the general
health of society from ever perspective and ideology. How one gages this
advance is the arena of political and ideological struggle. Soviet family
policy
began a slow but accelerating shift after 1931. In
Part 13
The issue is not the Stalin-Trotsky debate, but the approach of our ML to
how he defines the debate; the subjective Stalin period and the objective
building of an industrial infrastructure and his Marxists approach to each
question
he raises. The authors understanding of the Women
For reasons I cannot explain, my server will not allow me to access to
Chapter 3 of the Stalin-Trotsky debate on the Red army.
The Red Army and executions will be dealt with, as well as the great purges
and a number count on jailing, a number count of the execution's and the
political
Part 13T
Chapter 3 of the Debate between Stalin-Trotsky focuses on the Red Army and
changes to it is located at the ideological Trotskyite listserver here:
http://www.marxmail.org/chapter3.htm (CHANGES IN THE RED ARMY.)
Presently, I am unable to access any of this booklet and really had a
Part 13Y - Youth
Within academia a criteria of debate is to depersonalize the subject. This is
not academia. I have called our ML a liar because he is. Who but a petty
bourgeois intellectual rat - a selfish slice of the refuge of a decaying class,
can conceive of the youth in the Soviet Union
The USSR: The Thwarted Transition
by Ariel Dacal Diaz (October 2004)
Translated for CubaNews by Ana Portela from Cuba Literaria
Ariel Dacal Diaz is Chief Editor at the politics section of
Social Sciences Publishers, a leading publishing house.
http://www.walterlippmann.com/docs015.html
Comrade
In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:44:34 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am sorry I have not had a chance to comment on your lengthy writings on
the Stalin-Trotsky debate. I have not had time to even read most of them. At
some time I would like to discuss with you, both on
The USSR: The Thwarted Transition by Ariel Dacal Diaz, Chief Editor of the
Social Science Publisher's House in Cuba.
A Critique
Preface
The Cuban Revolution holds a very special place in the hearts of progressive
America, revolutionaries and an increasingly awakening section of our
The USSR: The Thwarted Transition by Ariel Dacal Diaz (October 2004)
Translated for Cuba News by Ana Portela from Cuba Literaria
Ariel Dacal Diaz is Chief Editor at the politics section of Social Sciences
Publishers, a leading publishing house.
Part 4
The dogmatism that Marxism
In a message dated 11/26/2004 10:29:53 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Good question. I love Fidel Castro and whatever small mistakes he may have
made, he upheld the promise he made on the eve of the victory of the Bay of
Pigs; that of being a Marxist-Leninist until the day
Electric Slide
1. Big Surprise..not really.
In 2003, global use of coal increased 6.9 percent over 2002 levels. Oil
consumption, by comparison, increased a mere 2.1 percent. Prices jumped 80
percent to $50 a ton. US production measured nearly one billion tons, with 04
production estimates
Coal will not run an automobile or an F-16. It does however radically
increase carbon emissions and mercury concentration in water.
Comment
Agreed.
The automobile has to be reconfigured. This does not mean its power pack but
its social function and its power pack as a secondary factor. It
Hero
Staring Jet Li, Maggie Cheung, Zhang and Tony Leung. Directed by Vimou Zhang.
Comment
Well, the wife and I sat down earlier today to view our rental copy of
Hero. For reasons no longer remembered, we did not view it several months
ago when it made its theater run, nor sought out bootleg
As Marxist-Leninist's we must always remember that Marxism-Leninism is a
science based the dialectical method of understanding the world and events
taking
place. It is a grievous error to believe that methods, tactics, strategy,
etc. in Lenin's day is going to work in our day in the exact
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0501,tate,59766,2.html
Hiphop Turns 30 Whatcha celebratin' for? by Greg Tate January 4th, 2005 3:23
PM
We are now winding down the anniversary of hiphop's 30th year of existence as
a populist art form. Testimonials and televised tributes have been airing
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under enormous political and moral
pressure, made Negro History Week official in the 1940s. It was conceived to
teach
the other Americans about the special contributions African Americans made to
the development of our country.
Special interests soon saw
African American History Month is once again upon us. There are incredible
historical depiction of the history of the African American playing/paying on
all major television channels and excellent historical events on the cable
channels as well as PBS. The scope and debt of these television
U now tuned to the mutherfucking greatest.
Turn the music up in the headphones.
U can Gone brush your shoulders off nigga.
I got U.
Yea.
If you feeling like a pimp nigga,
then gone brush your shoulders off.
Lady's is pimps to, gone brush your shoulders off
Niggas is crazy baby, don't
NY Times
April 10, 2005
Riot Police Called In to Calm Anti-Japanese Protests in China
By JOSEPH KAHN
BEIJING, April 9 - Mass demonstrations here against Japan turned unruly
late Saturday afternoon, with scattered vandalism and confrontations
with the riot police intensifying what began as a
China remains in political antagonism with bourgeois imperialism and such has
been the case for the past 200 years. To state the obvious is to be accused
of lacking a class analysis by the left in America. This of course is not true.
In fact it is the left in America or rather its intellectual
10 Years After Million Man March, Conveners Announce the Millions More
Movement (BAW, 05-02-2005)
May 2, 2005 Millions More Movement Press Conference WASHINGTON
(FinalCall.com) - A far-reaching national leadership coalition including the
Honorable
Minister Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Willie F.
We have a larger middle class, many more millionaires and a few
billionaires, however, the overall condition of our people is worse. We have
more
entrepreneurs, more college graduates, more persons holding political office,
more
Black mayors, city councilors, aldermen, state representatives,
Anyhow to the question. I am looking for some data to refute allegations
that Stalin and Mao were responsible for x number of murders. Are there
good places to start looking? Books? Or are people here capable of
emailing stuff from their heads.
Le meas,
DoC.
Comment
The Soviet
An interview with Maureen Taylor, Detroit's grassroots City Council candidate
http://www.lrna.org/league/PT/PT.2005.6/PT.2005.6.4.html
By People's Tribune Staff
Editor's note: The People's Tribune recently interviewed Maureen Taylor, who
is a candidate for the Detroit City Council.
TONC also takes the Millions More Movements march on Wash. DC on October
15 very seriously and we are already beginning to strategize as to how we can
best unite the struggle against the war with that effort. We dont want the
two
dates, October 15, and Sept. 24, just three weeks apart, to
Comrade Melvin,
Just a question of curiosity. Are you affiliated with the LRNA or League of
Revolutionaries For A New America? I noticed you copied their interview. I
have been affiliated with them for about 4 years I guess and although applied
for membership and accepted I have never
I am most impressed with LRNA and their strategy. As you also mentioned,
they are revolutionaries of various backgrounds. I am most familiar and
connected to the Chicago chapter where the league consists of many
Marxist-Leninists. I think they are a very good example of how to connect to
I am most impressed with LRNA and their strategy. As you also mentioned,
they are revolutionaries of various backgrounds. I am most familiar and
connected to the Chicago chapter where the league consists of many
Marxist-Leninists. I think they are a very good example of how to connect to
Marxism and the National Factor - June 2005
Juneteenth is June 19.
Part 2
What made the South culturally The South was the huge slave class. What
made the North, Northern - in its culture, politics, social and economic life
was not the slave class producing products that underwent conversion
I have read the works of George Jackson but must admit that I am not at all
knowledgeable of due to lack of experience with the early struggle of such
black revolutionaries but the little I am aware of I admire greatly the
organization and work of these revolutionaries such as the Black Panther
It was also intended to counter his misconception that he or anyone should
not criticize the US communist movement. This line of thinking is incorrect
because only based on our criticism can we determine the correctness or
incorrectness of any given movement as you yourself exemplified in your
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