It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen.
Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really
no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who
questioned Obama's citizenship.
-Curt
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Why not? The constitution says Natural born American it doesn't say born on
American soil which would after all exclude John Mcain...
-Curt
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ATTABOY!
Wilton
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From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] stupid
Scott sez: The uniform mediocrity brought to us by the US Dept of
Scott sez: The uniform mediocrity brought to us by the US Dept of
Education deserves
plenty of credit here. But I place most of the blame to parents and the
social safety net. More Americans need to reap the fruits of their
labors, even if they end up living under bridges.
+1And kids
Once again I am impressed with the way Mercedes engineers designed our
cars.
I have, after some fits and starts, gotten the first hub back on our
utility trailer. It has the typical Coke bottle cap washer, hex nut,
and cotter pin arrangement that domestic designers like to use.
I read in
His father was a minister - he's got religion in spades.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Gerry wrote:
P.S. Cruz got only 5% in a Quinnipiac pole compared to Walkers 17%.
Walker seems good.
Probably no grey hair.
Cruz is no grey
The uniform mediocrity brought to us by the US Dept of Education deserves
plenty of credit here. But I place most of the blame to parents and the
social safety net. More Americans need to reap the fruits of their
labors, even if they end up living under bridges.
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The following link says that the co-pilot had taken time off from training for
depression. Severe depression can lead to what the co-pilot did:
Lack of self-confidence, self-trust, and low self-esteem play a large role in
the cause of these symptoms (of severe depression), and they are commonly
Easy assumption hold on.. It's the Koch brothers calling again...
brb... ;))
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J.
McCain was not eligible to serve as President
Andrew,
I gather black berries in the Summer, but that doesn't mean I know
everything about black berries. I have yet to read that the door was
deadbolt-locked from the inside. Where did you read/hear that?
Best Wishes,
Roger
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From: Andrew Strasfogel
It was in the video of the French expert interpreting the voice recorder.
I just love that word - nothing personal.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:08 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:
Andrew,
I like preposterous hypothesis. After all, I sometimes believe
what happens in DC, rare, but
He was 28 years old, loved to fly and apparently set off no alarms or
showed signs that he was troubled – or worse.
The co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 4U9525, which crashed into the Alps en
route from Barcelona to Dusseldorf on Tuesday, has been identified as
Andreas Lubitz, a German who grew up
From a news report, but: Airlines in Europe are not required to have two
people in the cockpit at all times, unlike the standard U.S. operating
procedure after the 9/11 attacks changed to require a flight attendant to
take the spot of a briefly departing pilot.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:15 AM,
If Cruz leads the balloting in the primaries and appears headed toward the
R nomination, the Koch Bros. will fund a search that miraculaously locates
Cruz' USA birth certificate tucked away in Grandma's linen cabinet.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes
From what I understand, the cockpit door automatically locks when someone
exits but there is also a double locking mechanism, which may be manual
(not sure).
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:09 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Probably electro-mechanically.
Wilton
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That is a rather preposterous hypothesis, UNLESS they come up with
something weird in the PILOT's background.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
So.. it was then a murder suicide
This may be one of those incidents that never get resolved,
There's no way he could be Canadian -- bullfeathers, he's as
Canadian as anyone else born in Calgary, Alberta.
Unlike Obama, Cruz WAS born outside the USA. He has, believe it or
not, a valid Canadian birth certificate, which makes him a citizen
just like having a US birth certificate
Andrew,
I like preposterous hypothesis. After all, I sometimes believe what
happens in DC, rare, but sometimes.
Best Wishes,
Roger
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Probably electro-mechanically.
Wilton
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Another Airbus bores in
Nice
I told you that, Grant. You should read my posts.
So, assuming this was premeditated, what in this young man's life was worth
taking down a whole planeload of innocents vs. simply jumping out of a
window? Or did he decide to do it on the spur of the moment because he
COULD. e.g. the idea
Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J.
McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of
birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined that
Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US
Randy, I totally agree, but I think it's generational. We are from the
Greatest Generation - junior edition. It's tough for the post-boomers to
measure up.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:32 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
Large typeface in error.. my apology...
I'm late for
There is lots of misinformation in this thread. US Immigration and
Naturalization laws are among the most complex laws on the books. IME most
attorneys, even those specializing in Immigration law do not have a good
understanding of these laws. Here are some things I know:
It IS in the law (the
It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique
requirements.
Well! I too thought that this was the case, based on my work experience as
a former Immigration Officer/Supervisor. But recent research has revealed
to me that there is some ambiguity in the legal
Given the outrageous, narrow minded, and highly inflammatory views of Sen.
Cruz (not that there's anything wrong with that), it would be quite a leap
for the Party of Lincoln to choose him as their standard bearer.
Now the Teabag party is another matter. They absolutely LOVE this
guy. This is
Is it just me, or are there more and more stupid people in reasonably
good jobs - especially government jobs?
I have to deal with people in government offices on a regular basis and
it seems some of them just do not have a fat clue.
Especially the younger ones.
Are the schools doing such a poor
Why couldn't even I (born in NC to parents and several grnparents all born
in NC) become a Canadian citizen? ('Cept I've shoveled more than my share
of snow and don't want it; otherwise I would consider it quite an honor.)
;)
Wilton
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This Austraian comedian's stand-up routine on US gun laws is very, very
funny.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/25/1373205/-Australian-comedian-tries-to-make-sense-of-American-gun-laws-nailed-it?detail=email
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Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of
continuing education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer
this for your consideration.
I am providing a public service announcement to make you all aware
of the pervasive problem of coded sexism. Yes, for those
Excellent point.
Pretty sure there are no newly freed slaves to be affected by that
amendment remaining.. Perhaps it's usefulness has expired.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Another strange artifact of slavery. The intent (14th
Another strange artifact of slavery. The intent (14th amendment, 1868) was
to make it clear that the freed slaves were citizens (which was pretty-much
all of them, slave trade ended in 1808). On one hand, this should be fixed
because it creates the anchor baby situation. On the other hand, this
Thankfully (?), he is such an over the top extremist that there is a
less-than-even chance the R party won't nominate him.
You are right, the R party wont nominate anyone but a liberal ala
tailhook mccain or Willard. However, he does represnt mainstream
Americans, and given a chance,
Large typeface in error.. my apology...
I'm late for my Alzheimer meeting again... apparently...
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:30 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:
YES!
Current education system does not teach critical thinking and does not
demand responsibility for actions. What result could
Andrew.Thank you! LMAO!There is much truth in humour.Fred
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:25:03 -0400
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Jim Jeffries, Aussie Comedian
From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
This Austraian comedian's stand-up routine on US gun
Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother.
-Curt
THat is the party line, but there is no evidence presented.
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YES!
Current education system does not teach critical thinking and does not
demand responsibility for actions. What result could be expected?
Remember:
Private citizen: The faster and better I can get this job done, the more I
can make. [presuming responsible work ethics and/or self employment.
Oh man, thats too bad. I'll never forget the time I called somebody
a maroon meaning to reference Bugs Bunny and Chuck emailed me I
think the word you wanted is 'moron'. We had a laugh when I
explained.
-Curt
Not many people better than Chuck. Few people have done more for
MBCA and owners
Hail Chuck!
He truly loved the club, meaning the members. When I was overseas, he asked me
to help test some virtual meeting software. He didn't know I was not in the
states. I agreed to help, but then explained I was in a bandwidth constrained
location. Perfect, he replied. If this
hi Dan!
do you have any idea if there's any chance the link to
Unsubscribe/Delivery Options might be getting fixed sometime soon? it
still goes to some page where a password is required to proceed,...
cheers!
e
On 25/Mar/15 11:02, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I'll look into it,
They are German. Maybe that is what happened to the Germanwings copilot
- he got confused and couldn't tell down from up.
RB
On 26/03/2015 5:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
It's spring and Poos had not had any luck on a new ride we can
deconstruct.
On a related note, MB have decided
Worthwhile to point out, Stanley Ann Dunham was 17 at time of birth, thus,
a minor under the existing law and not in possession of transferable
citizenship rights since at that time, a 17 yr. old could not legally sign
documents.
Legally, Mr. Obama Sr. was married to another woman, thus the
Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers
Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican
children [principally].
If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there,
Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child.
What about preposterous and mandatory?
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing
education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your
consideration.
If Cruz leads the balloting in the primaries and appears headed toward the
R nomination, the Koch Bros. will fund a search that miraculaously locates
Cruz' USA birth certificate tucked away in Grandma's linen cabinet.
Its been done before!
Would that bother you?
If so, why didn't it bother
Is it just me, or are there more and more stupid people in
reasonably good jobs - especially government jobs?
I have to deal with people in government offices on a regular basis
and it seems some of them just do not have a fat clue.
Especially the younger ones.
Are the schools doing such a poor
Peter sez:
Unlike Obama, Cruz WAS born outside the USA. He has, believe it or
not, a valid Canadian birth certificate, which makes him a citizen
just like having a US birth certificate makes someone a US citizen.
BZZT WRONG!
Canada does not have anchor babies! NO OTHER country
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
If Cruz leads the balloting in the primaries and appears headed toward the
R nomination, the Koch Bros. will fund a search that miraculaously locates
Cruz' USA birth certificate tucked away in Grandma's linen cabinet.
...
Peter Frederick
Andrew sez:
Now the Teabag party is another matter. They absolutely LOVE this
guy. This is why i predict at lesat a three way race in 2016. Add Ted to
the mix of Hillary (if she runs), Jeb, and possibly Bernie Sanders.
There is no teabag party. Show me one ballot that lists a candidate
of
On 26/03/2015 3:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote:
Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing
education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your
consideration.
I am providing a public service announcement to make
Rich Thomas wrote:
Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing
education unrelated to plane crashes and Ted Cruz, I offer this for your
consideration.
I am providing a public service announcement to make you all aware
of the pervasive problem of
Clearly these are preliminary findings and more research is required to
expand the language of coded sexism (or perhaps, more accurately, coded
genderism).
I'm sure we will learn more over the next few months.
--R
On 3/26/15 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
What about preposterous and
By definition there can be no token sexist females or sexist token females.
Critical gender theory forbids it.
--R
On 3/26/15 4:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote:
Given it is a slow Benz day, and I think we are all in need of continuing
education unrelated to plane
And there is no Obummer!
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
There is lots of misinformation in this thread. US Immigration and
Naturalization laws are among the most complex laws on the books. IME most
attorneys, even those
Chuck had a winning 116 300SD he called the Panzerwagen. That is the
source of the Panzer reference.
Today I paged to near the back of the current issue of the STAR.
There is a full page memorial to Chuck L. That article does not
appear to be online.
From the Desert Stars Section: Jan
That's sad to hear. Seemed to be a good guy based on the limited interaction I
had with him.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Chuck had a winning 116 300SD he called the Panzerwagen. That is the source
of the Panzer
Wow
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Chuck had a winning 116 300SD he called the Panzerwagen. That is the source
of the Panzer reference.
Today I paged to near the back of the current issue of the STAR. There is a
Hahahahahahahhaha Splendid !!
Hitler snark.. Perfect takeoff of a bad move.. so many double meanings I
had to watch it 3 times... hahahahaha...
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Saw a GLA today, remembered this:
Oh man, thats too bad. I'll never forget the time I called somebody a maroon
meaning to reference Bugs Bunny and Chuck emailed me I think the word you
wanted is 'moron'. We had a laugh when I explained.
-Curt
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To: Mercedes Discussion
Gerry wrote:
P.S. Cruz got only 5% in a Quinnipiac pole compared to Walkers 17%.
Walker seems good.
Probably no grey hair.
Cruz is no grey hair.
Dump the teabag jazz and he might do well.
Walker needs to get religion.
mao
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Saw a GLA today, remembered this:
https://youtu.be/tm7sMHr_TsA
It's really quite fitting.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
On March 26, 2015 6:11:40 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
I think I can make sense from it - the GLS is the S class of the
Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada?
Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do
not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the
USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an
American
A young, European pilot with no obvious issues decides to crash a plane
and take 130 lives along with him. Tragically, the pilot could have
overriden the lock on the entry door but apparently didn't have the code or
expected his co-pilot to come to his senses...
This mystery may never be
I guess if the crew (including a wandering captain or co-captain) were
given the emergency unlocking code terrorists could force it out of them,
so that's not an option.
The solution is to either 1) expand the cockpit to include a powder room,
or 2) add a second door to the front toilet to allow
When did we become a country where a father's citizenship establishes that of
the child? A child born to an American parent who wishes to be American is
American. In Cruz's case its clear he's not Canadian, theres no Canadian
parent. He doesn't wish to be Cuban so ipso-facto he's American, easy
I would draw your attention to the status of :
Native Born Citizen
Natural Born Citizen [special requirement for POTUS]
and
Naturalized Citizen
Each have specific requirements. The issue of Natural Born Citizen has
been heard several times before the US Supreme Court and each time
determined to
So.. it was then a murder suicide
This may be one of those incidents that never get resolved, since the AC
impacted solid granite at something like 400 MPH.. very little remains to
look at.
Reports to date are that even the fuel hydraulic-ed away from the point of
impact before burning off so
On 25/03/2015 10:56 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
Fly on Boeing aircraft. At least they allow the pilot to override the
computer
I strongly agree with this sentiment but reconstruction of the 2009 Air
France Airbus crash does not inspire great confidence in the basic
airmanship of the
I always knew you were Special ... ;))
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
I'm a natchull born lover man, I'm a hootchie cootchie man! No B! - O
child - Y...
--R
On 3/26/15 11:37 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Fair point, however,
In 2008 Hilary and Obama co-sponsored a bill that specifically said McCain was
an American citizen, shut your rabble
rousing.http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/
Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. I'm pretty sure
Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J.
McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of
birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined that
Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US
Its not specific though, it says natural born citizen explain exactly what
that means...
I'd posit that there is natural born citizen and naturalized citizen there
are no other statuses with citizen in them, if you are not one you must be
the other. Thus since they were not naturalized both
Has anyone considered the other side? The pilot incapacitated the co-pilot
before leaving the cockpit. Therefore, he could make a show of not getting
back in. He could also NOT enter the code which would have released the door
in 5 minutes possibly leaving the pilot with 3 minutes to correct
I think we (and I really mean the media) worry about it too much. If he/she was
born:A. To an American parentorB. On US soiland has never had citizenship in
another country then he/she is American, easy as that. We should probably have
a constitutional amendment that says so, get all this
I'm a natchull born lover man, I'm a hootchie cootchie man! No B! - O
child - Y...
--R
On 3/26/15 11:37 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Fair point, however, when it comes to divining what logic [if any] may be
behind any rule made by Immigration and Naturalization Agency, I'm at a
total
Nice try. I gather the door was manually deadbolt-locked from the inside.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Has anyone considered the other side? The pilot incapacitated the
co-pilot before leaving the cockpit. Therefore, he could make
'Thought the airlines had instituted a 2-man/person policy much like that
for nuclear weapons: No one may be ALONE with a nuclear weapon, component
or controls.
For the airlines: No one may be alone at the controls(or in the cockpit)
of an airliner in flight. Each member of the 2-man team
But you said there was no way for him to be Canadian.
If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to
give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children
in the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship.
RB
On 26/03/2015
The technical question of law which I don't know is: Was Mr. Cruz Sr. an
American Citizen at the time of Mr. Cruz Jr. birth?
My current information says he was still legally a Cuban Citizen and had
not yet become a Naturalized American Citizen, thus not meeting special
Constitutional requirements
I just read a report that now says the CoPilot locked the Captain out of
the cockpit and with intention, crashed the plane.
The official quoted had reviewed the surviving CVR and make that
determination.
It gets more complicated, it seems.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:15 AM, WILTON via Mercedes
Deliberate act but it wasn't terrorism. Unh huh. Referring to
Lubitz, Mr Robin said: 'He did this for a reason which we don't know
why, but we can only deduct that he destroyed this plane.
On 25/03/2015 10:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Doesn't the door lock automatically?
What do you think?
After 9/11 they reinforced all the cockpit doors to keep the bad guys out.
Unfortunately it also kept the pilot out.
RB
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On 25/03/2015 10:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Doesn't the crew have keys for the cockpit door? It would only make sense that
they would.
Dan
I would doubt they would as the key could be taken away from them while
outside the cockpit.
RB
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Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers
Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican
children [principally].
If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there,
Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child.
The door code can be overridden by someone inside. This was a
deliberate act apparently for reasons not yet known, perhaps
unknowable. One wonders, the Malaysian airline plane gone missing, now
this. I think the one where the Egyptian pilot flew the plane into the
ocean featured some
He specifically said that he was renouncing something he didn't know he had.
He's never had to be naturalized as an American which means he's native born.
There are only two choices, native born and naturalized, if you're not one
you're the other. He's never been naturalized so he must be
Well.. I could quickly agree that Mr. B. Obama Jr. father was unknown if
presented with a verifiable birth certificate that so stated.. Which I have
not.
Again, the Constitution requires very specific Citizenship of the office of
President. Thus the basis of this discussion, which I hope will
Most of it is so we can tweak other countries no?
I'm thinking specifically of Cuba...
-Curt
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ]
Fair point, however, when it comes to divining what logic [if any] may be
behind any rule made by Immigration and Naturalization Agency, I'm at a
total loss.
It seems much confusion exists over the term:
Natural Born Citizen [as required by Constitution to be President]
as opposed to:
Native
So sorry, cannot allow that.
Need to tax people on worldwide income like USA so have to keep all
citizens no matter what.
RB
On 25/03/2015 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back.
Dan
On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes
Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is If your cat had kittens in
the oven would you call them biscuits?
He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention of
becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's an
American born abroad like
His mom needed to have bewen in the US for 10 continuous years for him to
qualify, or something like that. It's complicatged.
Thankfully (?), he is such an over the top extremist that there is a
less-than-even chance the R party won't nominate him.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Curt Raymond
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