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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will
to 80 mph
Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop
If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind
of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s)
and mount it within reach.
Gerry
To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy
relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go.
To my thinking, a big red Emergency stop switch tied to a Big hairy
relay (BHR(tm)) to interrupt the battery cable is the way to go. This
is not exactly a new concept. WWII vintage vehicles had a battery
master switch on the dash.
Relays are trouble points too, don't forget. I think the
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes:
As a electronics professional, what is needed is not a personal
computer expert but someone skilled in hardware and embedded
system customization and modification.
Agreed, such systems have little in common with desktop and server
computers.
I still don't want
- Original Message -
From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will
to 80 mph
If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's
will to 80 mph
If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind
of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s
I was thinking of rerouting the power to the fuel pump through a driver
accessible switch.
Mitch.
Gerry Archer wrote:
If I bought one (which is unlikely) I would put some kind
of kill switch on it; possibly on the power supply to the coil(s)
and mount it within reach.
Gerry
Brian Toscano wrote:
Not all drivebywire systems are faulty. I had a 2000 VW TDI that never had
any problems and never heard of any runaway vehicles.
My brother had a 1976 VW Rabbit Diesel with runaway problems. Under the right
(wrong) conditions it would go 40-50 mph on its own oil
Yup, the drains in the head would clog, allowing the valve cover to
fill up with oil. when it got high enough, it would suck down into
the intake through the breather and off it would go until the level
dropped down.
Easy fix, just clear the broken valve seal bits out of the drains.
My
Apples/oranges Jim
I am talking about gasoline engines, You are talking about EV/hybrid.
I grant the point about relays can fail. However the failure if
generally no go, not full speed ahead.
The old military manual battery disconnect is still a good solution.
I was taking it further by
In Granada Spain last summer we rode in a Pious taxi. They had a whole
fleet of the things. The driver said it was great because of all the
hills he had to go up and down, it kept the battery charged up and kept
his fuel usage low. (I know about thermodynamics... just telling you
what the
They have a couple of Prius taxis running around here too. Ridiculous
looking things with green leaf decals applied all over them.
What happened to Checkers?? Now THAT was a taxi cab.
Allan
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes:
In Granada Spain last summer we rode in a
Larry T wrote:
After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these
unintended accelerations.
Any decent car should be able to keep all four wheels near the point of lockup
from top speed to zero without the engine working against them. Are some engines
more powerful than
Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put
transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so
what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at
Mach-a-lot...
Or does anyone actually drive a car these days?
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:45
G Mann wrote:
Key off anyone??? Run away car try turning the key off... or put
transmission in neutral... then brakes... let the engine blow up.. so
what much less painful than hitting the concrete barrier at
Mach-a-lot...
Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop button just send a
Was looking at the new lineup of Priuses. Sales lady was trying to sell me
a 2009 with seven years gaurantee on the battery and 100K on the car. I
suggested that her price was high considering that
the 2009 was in the group that had runaway problems. She said that all one
must do is take it
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes:
I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list
haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a
highly computerized car.
Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer my cars to be
manually
Agreed.
Dan also computer professional
On Jun 2, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes:
I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the list
haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably diagnose and fix a
highly computerized
Relax. the circuit board you trust with your life at 85 MPH was built
by $4 a week skilled labor in China, with quality controls what could
possibly go wrong
You know.. by the same company that was the lowest bidder for the contract
that builds all the electric oil pumps... besides..
Some cars, the ignition and/or engine stop
button just send a request to the computer. Same
for the shift lever.
I think a big red Emergency shutoff pushbutton
switch should be mounted in the center of the
steering wheel of those POS fly by wire
vehicles. Another reason I don't want a
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes:
I'm surprised that some of the computer professionals on the
list haven't bought a hybrid since they could probably
diagnose and fix a highly computerized car.
Allan Streib wrote:
Speaking for myself, as a computer professional, I prefer
This would be an ideal thing for the black box to explain, if fitted.
Hendrik
who has black boxes in his cars but they are generally relays and such
On 01/06/12 10:13, Allan Streib wrote:
Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the
throttle. 99% chance.
Gerry
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??
Randy
On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The
car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed
After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these
unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise
control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine
keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I
realized it and
Raises hand...
Walt
On Jun 1, 2012 11:41 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??
Randy
On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car
accident, which occurred to the latest
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My
poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the
hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against
and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it.
Randy
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem.
My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever
under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front
bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I
got out to stop it.
Randy
On 01/06/2012 4:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem.
My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever
under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front
bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs
80 Mph isn't fast
On 6/1/2012 10:41, Randy Bennell wrote:
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??
Randy
On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The
car
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??
Randy
I do. My associate has one (2011 I think) and it goes fast and gets
good gas mileage. It is the only car made in the last 30 years,
outside a long 126, that I don't mind riding in the back seat. 32 to
25 mpg for a car that size is
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident,
which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began
accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car at the
speed of 129 km/hsnip
Page didn't load for me, but I bet the driver had his foot on the
throttle. 99% chance.
Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com writes:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The
car began accelerating
What is most puzzling is that it could accelerate to 129km/hr
--R
On 5/31/12 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The
car began accelerating against the driver's will and
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