yea, supposedly, but I usually end up flipping those as well
OK Don wrote:
There are some that you don't flip???
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
for the record, I usually change them all at the same time, and if I have
any that are good, I keep
: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:56 PM
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OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the
Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to
start. So I CHANGED THE FUSE (do
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It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared
end. Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess
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It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared
end. Fit quite
There are some that you don't flip???
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
for the record, I usually change them all at the same time, and if I have
any that are good, I keep them for spares. That is, unless I am working on
a car I am going to flip or
WILTON wrote:
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached behind him to shelf and handed me the exact
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WILTON wrote:
Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled
Yes, Bosch is Bosch.
Wilton
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WILTON wrote:
Several years ago, I needed
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The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we
have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug
first and only.
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The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we
have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug
(#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
OK I replaced the offending glow plug (thank you to the suggester of the
Gearwrench -- made the job much easier), car still did not want to start.
Forgive me for stupid, but I didn't see a Gearwrench that I
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Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old
On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:23 -0600, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
VWs through the 80s at least used the same 80 A strip for GP, and I
think they used the 30A strip elsewhere. That used to be the solution
I used in the pre-internet days. They all the free-standing VW
dealers closed and
It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared
end. Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess (injector lines)
in the way. I think I got them at Sears. I think the rear one is
actually #1 according to the numbers on the relay.
--R
Tim C wrote:
On Tue, Feb 2,
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
It is whatever was in the set, with like a 10deg angle on the geared end.
Fit quite nicely and cleared all the other mess (injector lines) in the
way. I think I got them at Sears. I think the rear one is
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
The fuses are actually fairly cheap at the dealer, or were at the
Houston dealer a couple of years ago (after I explained to the guy what
they were).
--R
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
Rich, our cars must have
Max wrote: I respected Marshall because he'd argue passionately but never got
personal, and never seemed to grow impatient.
That is an excellent observation!
Donald H. Snook
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To search
VIN, so I searched in the EPC using 123.133. In 1987, were there
different versions of glow plug relays used (fused and then later
internal breaker)? Is this another feature of the EPC? Do I need to
go back to EPC school?
I don't know, I think it could have a few mistakes in it.
The fused
number 000 545 03 34?
-Max
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VIN, so I
, February 02, 2010 10:51 AM
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Used the part number search function to see which cars in North America
use this 80A strip fuse, and none were 124's. 116, 123, 126 all showed
up. I think it's a mistake in the online EPC. Anyone still use
List
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Several years ago, I needed a strip fuse for my '81 300D (may have been
30A blower fuse). Before calling Rusty or checking with MB stealer, I
was passing local VW stealer; pulled in, showed parts guy the pieces of
old fuse. He reached
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:39:02 -0500
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I am with Marshall on this. I have always replaced as needed. (one
at a time.) I have never seen any indication that a set of plgs
buen out at the same time. Yes, I have done one, then had another
fail, but that is pretty rare.
The exception to me is the OM606. From what I have heard,
Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information
about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree
with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me
away from the original diesel list.
I'm glad I'm not the only one!
Jaime
Well, free advice, free mail list, and all that...
--R
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information
about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree
with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information
about these cars. But there were a few things that he said I didn't agree
with, and challenging him was out of the question! This is what drove me
away from the original diesel list.
The part I
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:17 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617
prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so
why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run?
Because your PISTONS will MELT!!
I disagreed with Marshall's advice/opinions at times, and I am sure
there are archives that show this, but he sure was a wealth of
knowledge. His facts were facts and his opinions were good most of
the time. You would not go far wrong following his advice. It might
sometimes cost you a
Allan Streib wrote:
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:17 -0500, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
My was of looking at it was more like the same engineers built a 617
prototype that would make 200hp continuously for days at a time, so
why can't I get 150 hp for the duration of a 0-70 run?
Because
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Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information
about these cars
Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its time we had
nothing to talk about! :-)
http://images.jaimekop.com/DieselTech/
Thanks for the reminder,
Jaime
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:17
Curt wrote: Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall what I
thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never felt like I was
challenging him, we just had differing opinions.
I did the same thing on a very few things that I disagreed with him on. I
thought (and
that way.
-Max
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The SD has been reluctant
A lot of the 150k vs 300k or more trans argument depends on the
driving. Donald, I suspect puts on a fiar number of highway miles.
Herr Doktor, probably drove mostly city driving. if each car had an
hour meter or a counter for number of shifts, i suspect Mean Time
Before Failure (MTBF) would
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Curt wrote: Apparently you're not as obstinate as I am. I told Marshall
what I thought, he told me what he thought and life went on. I never
felt like I was challenging him, we just had differing opinions.
I did
Definitely true... something we can all respect!
Jaime
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote:
I respected Marshall because he'd argue passionately but never got
personal, and never seemed to grow impatient.
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
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Subject: [MBZ] One bad glow plug spoils the whole bunch?
The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we
have here) so I just checked on it. Looks
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its
time we had nothing to talk about! :-)
Hah! I think I have all - or nearly all - of it archived.
-- Philip
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Marshall did alot of great things for spreading awareness and information
about these cars. But there were a few things that he
and you became the first person in history to ban Marshall from a list.
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Ah yes, someone remembers dieseltech... it was so ahead of its time we had
nothing to talk about! :-)
http://images.jaimekop.com/DieselTech/
Thanks for the reminder,
Jaime
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First or only?
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On Feb 1, 2010, at 20:37, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
wrote:
and you became the first person in history to ban Marshall from a
list.
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Ah yes, someone remembers
The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather we
have here) so I just checked on it. Looks like the rearmost glowplug
(#5?) is bad, I get open (OL) reading on the ohmmeter while the others
are in the 0.6ohm range. The glow plug fuse and relay are OK, getting
12V across the
Rich Thomas wrote:
The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold
weather we have here) so I just checked on it.
Can that one bad glow plug cause the others not to
heat up?
You don't mention the car or the year - but I don't think any
5 cylinder SDs had the series plugs...
If
84 300SD, pencil plugs. I went to the auto parts store and got 2 new
ones, will replace the bad one tomorrow, and see if I can try your
method to get the amperage. I checked that there was 12V at each plug
and there was, so it is sort of a mystery as to why 4 seemingly good
plugs won't light
GP Relay fuses that look good are not necessarily good. Remove it and see
if it crumbles or has any cracks. It may check good on a volt meter, but
not support the huge currents the GPs demand.
I've never been brave enough to touch the end of a glow plug to see if it
was working, considering one
One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs,
I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor
and just do them all!
I have bad memories of working at midnight, in the street in front of a
friends house, with temps in the teens just a few days
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs,
I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor
and just do them all!
With Bosch or Beru, not Autolite or Champion.
Mitch.
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With Gump, it just makes sense to change the whole kaboodle when you
do one. GP are cheap, injectors get balanced, bulbs all light up.
clay
On Jan 31, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow
plugs,
I've ended up
12 volts to the plug doesn't mean that they are consuming the current - an
open plug will look good if you're only measuring voltage to it.
I really like the simple ammeter in the line approach.
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
84 300SD,
Gearwrenches are your friends...
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On Jan 31, 2010, at 15:00, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:
The SD has been reluctant to start recently (in the cold weather
we have here) so I just
I tried the Autolite glow plugs and ended up having the Advanced Auto parts
guy tell me after the 4th or 5th trip to replace another bad one (under
warranty) that he would only give me my money back. I bought Bosch from
Rusty/Gary and they have not failed after a year and a half or so.
Steve
Ah, I bought a set of those last summer, have not yet used them. Good call.
--R
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On Jan 31, 2010, at 15:00, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
So I went to Advance Auto this afternoon and bought 2 Autolites they
were only $10, maybe they will do until I can get some proper plugs.
--R
Steve wrote:
I tried the Autolite glow plugs and ended up having the Advanced Auto parts
guy tell me after the 4th or 5th trip to replace another
In a parallel circuit, one bad glow plug won't prevent the others from working,
but if it's cold enough it can make a noticeable difference in the ability to
start the engine, and may even prevent it.
Allan
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Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
One addition note, Rich... every time I've replaced one or two glow plugs,
I've ended up replacing the rest of them soon after. Do yourself a favor
and just do them all!
With Bosch or Beru, not Autolite
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