Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That's what we did when I hel[ped build a house in the '70's. Power pole with meter and one outlet and the well, build the house, wire it, inspection, then hook up power to the house. On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 5:34 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I thought the first

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
In a manner of speaking, yes. -D > On Dec 11, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2020-12-11 20:20, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > >> “But all of the tanks we supply are leased.” >> "Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials. >> Contractually, it’s

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I thought the first thing you did was put up a pole and get temporary power... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 9:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: About the last thing you do, after drywall, is install the outlets. I thought it was common to build on

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2020-12-11 20:20, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: “But all of the tanks we supply are leased.” "Nope. We paid for this one, it’s in the bill of materials. Contractually, it’s ours. Builder shall supply…." Builder had to buy out the lease for the tank. Lesson learned. The builder leased

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
About the last thing you do, after drywall, is install the outlets. I thought it was common to build on generators, and then when you need power (like for starting up the new well), call the power company and say 'hey, the well drillers need power by next Tuesday' (the electrical inspection

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would add that the builder who built our house in Wisconsin was quite competent, honest, and had excellent subs. Granted, he was a custom homebuilder, not building tract homes, but he was very good. We had almost nothing in the way of exceptions or issues with the construction of that house.

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Builders can be idiots. Ours was, mainly because they were tossing homes up so fast they weren’t paying attention to details like we did. They had these little multi-part carbonless forms you could fill out to address discrepancies you found. After about 30 days or so of the framing going up

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
This isn't helping my opinion of builders. Brother-in-law and his wife are in the final stages of having a place built, its been more than a year since ground was broken. Builder dragged his feet all spring, blamed COVID but they hadn't done much more than dig a hole before March.Now they're

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
We’ve always owned our tanks for just that reason. Our former house across the street has a 100 gallon tank buried in the front yard. Right after we moved in the LP supplier that filled and supplied it to the builder sent us a bill for the monthly tank lease payment. Nope. In the bill of

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
NYMEX Natural Gas: $2.57 Cook Inlet Natural Gas (9/15): $7.74 If the gas line would get built, all the North Slope gas would flow like water for pennies…. in to LNG ships hauling to Nippon and South Korea. Since the gas is VERBOTEN in Greenie Weenie land, no market there. Clay inter urinas

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
My parent's propane supplier royally screwed up this year. Their tanks are 30+ years old and the supplier decided to stop filling them. They never bothered to tell anybody this and the tanks ran out 2 days before Thanksgiving. It turns out that the supplier owns the tanks. With egg on their

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2020-12-11 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
SEA had a healthy enough oil market that when BioD came along, there was a mass attempt to procure that market. That was the peak (2005?) and tanks have been yanked like dandelions from a putting green. No market in AK, as the stuff is solid at winter temps Clay inter urinas et faeces

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
February is the coldest month so presumably the peak month for fuel oil. Oil heat is very common in my area, I've never had anything else. Our house is heated with oil as is my parent's the in-laws, my grandparents and Angie's and even the "new" farmhouse. Natural gas isn't an option for us or

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On 2020-12-11 19:52, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: How often do the tanks need to be inspected/recertified/replaced? I've heard that this is something that people sometimes overlook in the buy vs. rent calculation. DOT tanks need certifying. Those are the ones you can haul to the hardware

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Tanks are qualified by either the DOT (consumer tanks typically 100 gallons or less) or AMSE (no requalification required.) My 500 gallon tank is an ASME tank and essentially a lifetime tank. It’s got an anode that can be replaced as well as the outside being coated and wrapped with

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
How often do the tanks need to be inspected/recertified/replaced? I've heard that this is something that people sometimes overlook in the buy vs. rent calculation. Allan Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > I have a 500 gallon tank buried in the front yard, but I won’t go looking for > a top

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have a 500 gallon tank buried in the front yard, but I won’t go looking for a top off until spring, when heating prices ease up and the price goes down somewhat. -D > On Dec 11, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Most people have NatGas available and use it. > The

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Most people have NatGas available and use it. The rest of us, we mostly use Propane in the Great Lakes, while there's still a lot of oil in New England. Propane markets seem somewhat independent of crude oil prices. My new vendor was $0.92 back in January, so I was really looking forward to

Re: [MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
The market is probably speculating that with vaccines starting to roll out that travel (and fuel use) will be starting to pick up again. Also January would be peak season for use of heating oil? Not sure whether enough people still heat with oil for that to be a big factor. Last time I talked

[MBZ] Open your Wallet to fill up

2020-12-11 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
https://www.bloomberg.com/energy Barrel of oil is heading past $50 this week. That is a $10 rise since the end of October, when it was just barely in the mid to high $30’s. This is for delivery in late Jan/Feb 2021. That is speculating that all the