I hate it when they want top $$ (firm!!) yet are too cheap to post even one
photo
On 12/20/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200. for that price, it sure does need
lots of work.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html
I could buy
That's 6 300SDs if Kaleb were buying.
On 12/20/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200. for that price, it sure does need
lots of work.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html
I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that!
Kevin in
I posted this earlier this year, but since no one commented, I'll just post
it again.
One the senior techs at my dealer told me that when 220Ds were new, they were
replacing cylinder heads by the carload. And that may have been in the day of
the five-foot five-minute warranty period. At
Yup. Starting in the late 60's, Benz took over design and production
of their cylinder heads from the company they had been buying them
from. It seems they were quite rude about it, and the original design
stayed with the original company, and cooperation was, well, mostly
non-existant.
There are at least four head designs installed on the 615, and not all
heads are compatible with all blocks, and I believe there are several
head gaskets as well.
My 200D has, I believe, a 240D head.
-- Jim
One question I have, now that the vacuum pump is open. Should the two
check valves be seated the same way? Currently they are not:
To the diaphragm chamber one valve needs to face one way and the
other the other. That's what ensures the air moves in one direction
as it's pumped, if it were
dave cashour wrote:
One question I have, now that the vacuum pump is open. Should the two
check valves be seated the same way? Currently they are not: the check
valve that leads to the brake booster hose allows air to be sucked
inward, creating a vacuum in the brake booster. The check valve
WTF?!?
38-40mpg? with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy
and her little dog. Maybe.
Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine
power, is a stick and has a very strong engine.
This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl.
On Sunday,
Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg
I often question this new math??
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Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg
I often question this new math??
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I hope it goes like the Shockers!
Woo Hoo...Go MVC!
Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 150K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.
GO FOR IT! Not sure there was a giant difference at all in the 115
bodies related to radiator. The alternators set up... well the whole
engine is not the same. Radiator should be swappable. If not, I will
find one at the PnP
On Thursday, March 9, 2006, at 01:35 PM, kevin kraly wrote:
I
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:35:30PM -0800, kevin kraly wrote:
I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin! It's been crashed in the front
resulting in a punctured radiator. Will my 220D rad fit into it? Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models? All that this
I have the chance to get a 240D for nuttin! It's been crashed in the
front
resulting in a punctured radiator. Will my 220D rad fit into it?
Also, are
the rads any different between auto and manny tranny models? All
that this
240 needs to be a runner is a functioning rad. The car is about
You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual,
The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far! My 220D is an auto thus it
has the tranny cooler/warmer lines. I'll really know if a good luck streak
is headed my way if this 240D is a manny tranny! However, if it's an auto,
I'm still more
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D radiator in W115 240D
You can use an automatic's radiator in a manual,
The MB Gods are on my side with this one so far! My 220D
Kevin,
I owned a 220D and two 240D's and I don't remember if the radiators are
different.
The radiators are different between the manual and auto tranny models. The
auto tranny model has a transmission cooling coil built into the radiator.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com
Well, I did the unthinkable. I grew attached to the
thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive
history. Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge. OK,
you got me, I'm out of my mind!
Dimitri
--- kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:54:25 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I did the unthinkable. I grew attached to the
thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive
history. Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge. OK,
you got me, I'm out of my mind!
Well, OK, at
Well, I did the unthinkable. I grew attached to the
thing and I'm doing my part in preserving automotive
history. Actually, I quite enjoy the challenge. OK,
you got me, I'm out of my mind!
It's kind of fun. Once.
-- Jim
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:28:38 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here are some photos of my very rusty trunk floor and
the new factory replacement. Some sections have been
cut out revealing exhaust system and fuel tank. Rusty
lower left quarter panel will also be cut out
So why are you doing all this work to a very rusty car?
He should just buy mine that has a rusty, but mostly in tact, trunk floor,
but other than that, the body is RUST FREE! All he would have to do is
transplant the engine/tranny in there and he would be set!
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973
kevin kraly wrote:
OK W115 owners (Clay). This 1973 220D has an auto tranny with the column
shifter. Could both the mannies and autos be had with a column or floor
shifter? If I end up buying or hauling off the 1972 220D manny tranny car
and decide to just transfer both the engine and
Gump has four on the floor. There is a patch job on your car in that
spot to allow you to install either manual or auto shift. The stalk
shifter I suspect is that way so that the dash indicator can show which
gear you are using. with on the floor, indicator is not needed in the
cluster
The 280S that I checked for Ed B. was column shift. There was a
patched panel thing on the floor where a real shift would have been.
No mess with console. Might have been some mess with Gump had she had
shaft shifter. the console floor would need sawzall to make a spot for
shifter.
On
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 04:53 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
If you put grinding stones in it, it's a grinder. If you put
cutoff wheels in it... It's called a die grinder because die
makers use them. To grind on their dies. Obviously they have
other uses too.
-- Jim
Dentists
kevin kraly wrote:
Hi, Dimitri.
Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while.
You could do what I did on my old Volvo 240. I used a 3M Rust And Paint
Removal Wheel to remove as much rust and bubbled
You might want to consider the Nibbler - made for
cutting metal - fits in a
drill - electric or air powered - and nibbles
little chunks of metal -
like chewing. Eastwood carries them along with some
others.
I actually have the Eastwood drill mounted nibbler.
Its ok for making
Trunk floor cost $180 plus $70 for shipping. Took over one month to come from
Germany. Apparently there were none in existence anywhere inthe world, hence
the wait. Did they stamp me a new one? I don't know? Anyway local dealership
wanted $240. Since I had already waited a month for it to
Hi, Dimitri.
Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't think
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while. I do hope that
I'm able to get the engine running soon. I have the valve adjustment
wrenches on order, so I'll be able to adjust them to spec if
Since I've only got $175 in my 220D including the battery, I don't
think
that I'll be doing anything to the trunk for quite a while.
Microwave oven sheet metal is free, just ask the Frankenheap.
But don't look too closely!
-- Jim
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.
--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL
you need a cutting torch set
Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a
You can get an angle grinder for $50-125 (depending on size, power,
etc.) that takes cutoff wheels, you can also put wire brushes and other
things on it. I have a Dewalt, a nice tool. Unless you get a big
compressor that cutoff tool will drain it quickly then you have to wait
awhile for it
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out after 3-4 of
cutting. At $1.20 per wheel thats getting expensive,
also really slow, and there's a lot of rusty trunk to
cut out.
Having air is nice, for
Seretakis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Trunk floor project
Going to Sears today to buy an air compressor so that
I can use air powered cutoff tool. Dremel cut off
wheels work fine but they wear out
Microwave oven sheet metal is free,
I love it! It carries on with the philosophy of not trying to make a car
into something it is not. Dependable, cheap transportation is what a 220D
is all about. Good looks aren't that important.
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project
as might a sawzall.
The sawzall is a great suggestion! I'm sure that it would save time as
well.
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project
Microwave oven sheet metal is free,
I love it! It carries on with the philosophy of not trying to make a
car
into something it is not. Dependable, cheap transportation is what a
220D
is all about. Good looks aren't that important.
And good thing, too, when mashing microwave oven lids
(which actually has a thin cutting wheel - don't know why it's called a
grinder) else the tool will keep slowing down.
If you put grinding stones in it, it's a grinder. If you put
cutoff wheels in it... It's called a die grinder because die
makers use them. To grind on their dies. Obviously
Ah, another 1973 220D with rust in the trunk floor! This one I have is not
actually rusted through, but it wouldn't take much to break through it.
From the looks of it, it seems like the floor is rusted from moisture coming
through the trunk or window seal rather than road salt How much was
AHhhh,
So I open the door and do the scooter thing as my altitude HP adjust
then
On Tuesday, January 17, 2006, at 09:20 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:
redghost wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at
Booth
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions/answers
redghost wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level
The manual
It's at the rear of the pump - closer to the firewall. I was never
sure whether the numbers were in feet or meters - just turn it till it
stops smoking (only four positions, IIRC).
On 1/17/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its a big knob right on the top, will have different numbers
Give her a chance to dry out enough so it does not look like some
dominatrix is running a dungeon inside the cabin
On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 09:23 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a
camera
out.
Now why would you want
I played with it today. Cranked it all the way off, and it was running
well, turned it CCW and got some more idle speed. Not so cold I need
to use it if I just glow enough.
On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 09:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
Well, whatever it does, I do not use it
Hardly cold
Not a chance, the W115 220/240 has a vacuum governor and NO altitude
adjustment -- the 300D W115 does, but not the W123s -- they have and
anaeroid.
Adjust the smoke with the max speed screw on the throttle flap in the
intake, or the max delivery screw on the back of the IP -- you should
have
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level
On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 07:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually
adjusted,
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level
The little adjusty thing on the dash is the idle stop -- it raises the
I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera
out.
On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and
the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know
they're not both
On 1/16/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level
The little adjusty
Well, whatever it does, I do not use it
On Monday, January 16, 2006, at 08:18 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:14:46 -0800 redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it,
I will have to post some once the rain goes away and I can get a camera
out.
Now why would you want NON-representative pictures anyway?
-- Jim
redghost wrote:
There is a little adjusty thing on the dash. Is that going to be able
to compensate for altitude. I never use it, but am at near enough sea
level
The manual altitude adjuster (if your car has one - few do) is ON the
injection pump - NOT on the dash. The adjuster on the dash
So, what does it look like and where is it on the pump? My 115 300D should
have it?
Randy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marshall Booth
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission).
Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better.
Another difference I'd mention is that the 220D might have an oil-bath
(element) air filter, and an oil-bath (you) oil filter. Most would
consider the later paper
Marshall sayeth:
The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear
problems.
Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me
recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines
under warranty. I didn't ask him why at the
In a message dated 1/15/2006 1:34:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions:
1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
3. Are there any other major
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:46 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty. The W123 will be
slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much.
A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a
couple for a stick
My '70 220D with four on the column go 32-34 on the highway - 2
adults, two kids, full luggage. Just stay out of the mountains.
On 1/15/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 16:32:46 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The 220D is a bit slower and a bit
I know they dont have sleeved engines like the later 240d and on do.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marshall sayeth:
The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear
problems.
Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me
recently that when the
Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually
adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher
altitude you had to turn an adjustment on the pump. I know the 115 300D
has that, and I think the 240D did as well.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marshall sayeth:
The early ('68-69) 220Ds seemed to have some serious cylinder wear
problems.
Interesting you should say that. One of the senior techs at my dealer told me
recently that when the 220D's were new, he changed a lot of their engines
under warranty. I
The '75 - '76 300D did have the manual altitude compensation. The '70
220D did not.
On 1/16/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Im pretty sure they had altitude compensasion, but it was manually
adjusted, in other words if you were going to be running in a higher
altitude you had to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Questions
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:40:15 -0800
The 220D is about 4 seconds slower then the 240D (same transmission).
Mercedes rates fuel economy of the 220D about 3 mpg better.
Another difference I'd mention is that the 220D might have an oil-bath
So I've been mistaken all this time? I thought the Frankenheap and
the other famous ride Gump were 123s. But they're both 115s? I know
they're not both yours.
Both 115's, yes indeed. Frankenheap's photos and other vital statistics
are available on its web site:
Frankenheap's actual web site: http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html
-- Jim
Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto. Stick will beat the 240
every day. I guess the 240 stick would do the same.
Gump is able to get 30mpg most tanks. I think that has more to do with
not having anything else using HP. The 240 would have AC, PS, and who
knows what else they can toss
My '73 220D w/PS consistently got 30mpg, no matter how I drove it. I
prefer the looks of the W115 220D to the W115 240D--more rounded hood
slope and non-federal bumpers.
On 1/15/06, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Depends on if the 220D is a stick or auto. Stick will beat the 240
every day.
B Dike wrote:
Dieselvolks,
We're contemplating a 220D project. Questions:
1. How does the 0-60 time compare to the 240D?
2. Is there any significant advantage in fuel economy over the 240D?
3. Are there any other major differences between the W115 220D and 240D?
The 220D is
The 220D is a bit slower and a bit less thirsty. The W123 will be
slower yet and more thirsty, although not by much.
A good condition 220D with auto should get 32 mpg, about -- add a
couple for a stick (desirable, as the auto is SLOW!)
Other than the displacement, the 220D and 240D w115
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