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I like my clean new 2014 bluetec 250 GLK small SUV. 30 mpg with plenty of turbocharged 4 cylinder power. How do they do it? On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 7:45 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > an ol smokey OM621 190Dc is healthier for you than a Lektrick car. >

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an ol smokey OM621 190Dc is healthier for you than a Lektrick car.  Probably that OM636 they've been talking up on the buttercup list is safer.   More modern MB Diesels are much safer G Mann via Mercedes May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM Tesla and crash scenes. Several

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Tesla and crash scenes. Several months ago, I read a piece published by some fire fighter / first res ponder association. The focus of the article was how first responders must not use normal response to remove injured persons from an electric vehicle crash scene, due to the high risk of

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Montgomery County has an excellent website tracking the progress/recession of COVID 19: https://montgomerycountymd.gov/HHS/RightNav/Coronavirus-data.html On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:16 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Teslas are likely to do very well in terms of

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Teslas are likely to do very well in terms of safety due to the mass of the vehicle but I am curious to know if they actually get in fewer accidents with all their autopilot doodads as well. On Wed, May 20, 2020, 7:25 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > > They didn't show statistics for an S

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> They didn't show statistics for an S class. I suspect that it would be at the > top of the list. The trouble with statistics is that there are a lot of variables. My Camaro, for example, had a TERRIBLE safety rating. But, that's mostly because of the sorts of folks who liked to buy the

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https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17 Better off in a German luxury car. Imagine that. They didn't show statistics for an S class. I suspect that it would be at the top of the list. Rick

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Yes of course you will hear about those. If it isnt engaged when the person dies, it isnt news because the robot cannot be said to have killed the person a la 737 max. No Rise of the Machines angle. On Tue, May 19, 2020, 8:25 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:43:18 -0700

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On Tue, 19 May 2020 18:43:18 -0700 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: > I keep waiting for someone to publish some Tesla data. If that autopilot > stuff is any good, they should be better than a lot of other cars. Well, the last two deaths I heard of were because the driver had the autopilot

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I keep waiting for someone to publish some Tesla data. If that autopilot stuff is any good, they should be better than a lot of other cars. On Fri, May 15, 2020, 8:58 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yet Ford has way lower accident rates. It's a proven fact.*

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Clay you make a good point: we should have been using those centers to isolate exposed contacts of known cases. For example, this is what happens when they detect a case in South Korea: they hunt everyone down and isolate them for a bit, and the epidemic dies. Fitness instructors infected 83

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The media is ramping up the hysteria once more with talk of “The NEXT Wave” Bigger and Better able to kill than the last one. If we had not piddled around the past three months, there would have been enough spread of the infection that would have burnt out the duff and fuel for a second or

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On Mon, 18 May 2020 14:39:54 -0800 Clay via Mercedes wrote: > I am fairly certain we all either have had it or will be touched by it > sooner or later. The whole point of isolation was to slow down (not stop) the spread of the virus so as to not overwhelm hospitals, clinics, and such. Craig

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The shutdown definitely helped slow the virus down where it was implemented. Iowa vs Illinois border counties are quite similar and infection rates diverged nicely after Illinois shut down and Iowa did not. But it is too draconian to sustain. Testing and tracing does not cost nearly as much as

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Don't forget hundreds of flights from Rome (Italy) daily into 3 NY airports during the days when Italy was just starting to get hit with the impact of the pandemic On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:20 PM archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You probably had the oak-ids, the

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You probably had the oak-ids, the hickory-ids, or the walnut-ids. https://www.pollen.com/forecast/current/pollen/29401 Gerry On Mon, 18 May 2020 10:04:57 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > I think I have had the pollen covids for the last 3-4 months at least.  > Every time I go outside

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>How'd that isolation thing working in NYC? The reason the virus spread to people in isolation in NYC is the vector of transmission. Fecal-oral. The less then hygienic Uber eats driver uses the bathroom, and doesn't wash properly, the shut ins order food, the delivery driver drops off food

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clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 18, 2020, at 1:26 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Question for all you thinking folks, since all our Mercedes are fixed and > the oil and tire threads have exhausted themselves... > > Which is more important and valid: >

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G Mann via Mercedes writes: > How many died of CV 19? We don't know > How much public panic has been generated which permitted government > mandated house arrest of millions of citizens and business closure / > unemployment? A lot. Trillions of dollars worth, in the USA alone. > Real factual

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I am fairly certain we all either have had it or will be touched by it sooner or later. clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 18, 2020, at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff >

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Peter, How'd that isolation thing working in NYC? Over 80 deaths per 1000 cases. Compare that with Florida, about 43 per 1000, and far less draconian lock-down / isolation. Why are all those New Yorkers fleeing and heading to their vacation homes (including in FL)? We've got community

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Question for all you thinking folks, since all our Mercedes are fixed and the oil and tire threads have exhausted themselves... Which is more important and valid: How many died of CV 19? or How much public panic has been generated which permitted government mandated house arrest of millions of

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Right, but they claim it's anonymized. Is it really? Who knows. I keep location services turned off on my phone anyway. I know that doesn't prevent cell tower triangulation, but I don't think that's something an app can really do, it has to be done by the carrier. Also Google and Apple who have

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I need to clarify, this article covers developers and applications using location data, but it’s a similar problem. The carries sell it, too, and the third party companies that harvest it sell it to people like bail bondsmen and skip tracers, for example. -D > On May 18, 2020, at 3:11 PM, Dan

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Not to burst your bubble, Allan, but mobile phone carriers have been selling off our location data to third parties for years. It’s a huge revenue stream for them. That’s starting to change, but they’ll go kicking and screaming in the process. This is a bit of a long read, but I would

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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes writes: > If you just start with testing all symptomatic people and then testing and > isolating their contacts, you can control it. You need to test until you > get less than 3% positive results, and you need to find and isolate all > contacts of known cases within a

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I think I have had the pollen covids for the last 3-4 months at least.  Every time I go outside I start hacking and coughing --FT On 5/18/20 9:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff back in mid to late February, too.

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I’ve mentioned this previously. Both the wife and I had mild flu-like stuff back in mid to late February, too. We both wondered if we already had a mild case of beer virus. -D > On May 18, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > I wonder how they will be skewed from a

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I wonder how they will be skewed from a reduction in MVAs, bangers shooting each other, other deaths associated with activities that have been diminished.  I guess those can be statistically excluded but it will be interesting to see what the overall death rates are for the months of say March

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Karl: This is what needs to happen. Sadly we live in a country which at the moment is completely focused on self, with a lot of money being spent on keeping us that way. Somehow the right of political freedom and freedom to practice religion becomes freedom from responsibility and law, along

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If you just start with testing all symptomatic people and then testing and isolating their contacts, you can control it. You need to test until you get less than 3% positive results, and you need to find and isolate all contacts of known cases within a day. The masks and distancing also help

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Yes it's too early to say whether any vaccine will be forthcoming and if it does come, what sort of durable immunity it will provide. Those studies take years typically. Not sure anyone is going to want to take a vaccine if it may not provide more than a few months' immunity. Thankfully SARS and

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Kind of hard to say if the deaths and cases out of China are accurate. Take the death of the ophthalmologist guy who blew the whistle on the whole epidemic, for example. Russia is another case in point where medical professionals start to fall out of windows if they say anything too far out of

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Actually, isolation is the only way to stop the spread. This is an unusual virus in that it's possible to actually stop the spread, difficulty is that it can have a long incubation period with virus shedding going on for some days before symptoms get bad enough to send someone in for testing.

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Have they ever come out with a vaccine for the cold? Nope. Guess what causes the cold? Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2020, at 10:45 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > > No news on the AIDS vaccine yet. I do recall all the misinformation coming > from the “Authorities” and very expensive

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Mr. Mossberg would have something to say about that, in a size 12 On 5/16/20 8:39 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: ...I'm coming to you this fall, and I'm going to punch you in the head... I would begin training... I would also consult Mr. Colt and his friends on this matter. A defense in

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The problem with isolation is the 2 week waiting period, it's very hard to know who to isolate until it's too late  Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 9:08 PM, OK Don wrote: From what I understand (which isn't much), Covid-19 is in the same virus family as the

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> ...I'm coming to you this fall, and I'm going to punch you in the head... I > would begin training... I would also consult Mr. Colt and his friends on this matter. A defense in depth is more reliable, hence that thing about eggs and baskets. I'm sure the same applies here. > It's about

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On Fri, 15 May 2020 20:08:20 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > That having been said, the planet is over populated ... Actually, no, it is not. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

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Yet Ford has way lower accident rates. It's a proven fact.* *Driveway driving only On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:14 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Thanks,Rick. All true > > Dwight Giles Jr. > Wickford RI > > On Fri, May 15, 2020, 10:09 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <

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No news on the AIDS vaccine yet. I do recall all the misinformation coming from the “Authorities” and very expensive but non-functional treatments being promulgated by the learned agency puppets. For a vivid example just watch “Dallas Buyer’s Club” movie. This “new” situation is the same

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Thanks,Rick. All true Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Fri, May 15, 2020, 10:09 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > And actually minimizing risk is partially why most of us drive Mercedes. > Peter was in a crash that he was able to walk away from, because he > minimized

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And actually minimizing risk is partially why most of us drive Mercedes. Peter was in a crash that he was able to walk away from, because he minimized his risks by driving a Mercedes. Wilton was in a very similar crash, and was able to walk away because he was driving a Mercedes. Dr. Booth was

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Curt says: >I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually I don't think everyone is going to get it. Statistics say herd immunity comes at 65-70% infection rates. That said, take all the precautions you can. I look at it like this. If Mike Tyson called you on the phone and said "I'm

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From what I understand (which isn't much), Covid-19 is in the same virus family as the common cold, while the flu is an influenza virus - a totally different family. No one has been able to develop a vaccine for the cold, but we do have marginally effective vaccines for the flu. If my assumptions

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Karl, Does anybody honestly believe the numbers coming out of China? I find them so low as to be a joke... I'm with Rick, we're all going to get this eventually, it's essentially a new, much worse, flu. Get used to the idea now. This who are waiting for a vaccine ignore the fact that the record

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I had pneumonia when I was 22. Happened over Thanksgiving weekend. I was very fit, almost athletic, didn’t smoke or drink, and was in excellent health. I had what I thought was a cold with a nasty chest cough. within a day or two I was totally wiped out. Went to our walk in clinic at IU Med

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Rick I won't tell either of them that you said they were fat or unhealthy :-) Picture very fit, active, healthy moms in their 40s and you will have the idea. My point is exactly that: many people (including me) want to minimize this thing by thinking that all the people getting sick are somehow