Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: If Trump Should Win the Election

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Case made. Showmanship has made Donald Trump incredibly rich and
influential.  Well demonstrated by these examples and hundreds of others.

So... Who would you rather vote for.. an entertaining guy who is successful
in business. or a gal whose claim to fame is decades of political
manipulation and several congressional investigations into her actions
because they have all the ear marks of having been violations of law.. 

Or... does this Republic still belong to We the People, capable of running
our own lives and our own country?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He won't win. It's rigged. He is part of the rig. Here is my FB post on
> the topic. For most folks I'm sure it is TL;DR or too long, didn't read.
>
> Enjoy. This will be my only post on this subject.
>
> Okay. With all the hoopla over the upcoming presidential election, I
> figure I will post my take on things. Some effort is required on your part,
> to understand where I am coming from.
> First things first. Do you know the meaning of the word "Kayfabe"? No?
> Here's a link, please read the article, it's rather interesting.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
>
> You really read it, right? Especially the subtitle "Trump buys WWE Monday
> Night Raw". Go back and read it
>
> Okay, now I need you to watch a video. Understand that the two executive
> looking guys really are executives of their respective corporations. Each
> of them is worth well in excess of a billion dollars.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I=em
>
> I've always found WWF, WWE entertaining, especially this clip. Didn't you?
>
> Now, the final thing I need for you to do, to exactly understand my
> perspective, is this. Take a long hard look at this picture.
>
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/the-
> wedding-that-explains-the-election.html
>
> Read the first paragraph (rest of the article is kayfabe). Hillary (and
> Chelsea) sat in the front row of Donald and Melania Trumps wedding. In
> front of Donald's children. You know, the place where Donald's parents
> would have sat, were they alive.
>
> Get it yet?
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You got that right.

Hey Randy - my former partner (Canadian) was convinced - despite my
protestations - the moon landing was an elaborately staged hoax
(conspiracy).  Is this a generally accepted conspiracy theory in
Canada?  Or was she just unbelievably stubborn?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> that we need to ban discussion of the election and politics in general
>
> although I do realize that there would then be almost no traffic on the
> list.
>
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How so?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Other than the fact it would lose me my job I agree, the 24 hour news
> cycle makes people crazy...
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:03 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?
>
> I suggest and propose, if we are going to have a 4 year vacation from
> Washington DC in action, we also have a 4 year vacation from all the "news
> media"... suspend their FCC license to broadcast and "give us all a break".
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember
> > > this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first
> > > applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
> > >
> > > The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> > > them all.
> > >
> > > No id needed to register
> > > on site registration
> > >
> > > Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> > > DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> > > polling place
> > > people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> > > Onsite electioneering
> > > The list goes on and on
> >
> >
> > Over the last two days, conservative activist organization Project
> > Veritas has released a series of bombshell videos
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGKDltXxRlT21Q5b4gSotu of Democratic operatives
> > bragging about paying protesters to incite violence at Donald Trump
> > rallies and admitting to voter fraud.
> >
> > Yet ABC, CBS, and NBC have yet to mention the shocking revelations on
> > either their morning or evening newscasts
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGMG5glurZkb7zCgoqZ2KX
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGOIP2Jr2CLkdj9lIB5H2q This is in spite of the
> > fact that two of the operatives featured in the videos have been already
> > fired or stepped down.
> >
> > If there was any doubt that nearly every major news outlet in the country
> > is 100% in the tank for Hillary Clinton, it should be gone now.
> >
> > In the videos, national field director of Americans United for Change,
> > James Foval admits to “starting anarchy” by unleashing what he calls
> > “conflict engagement” at Donald Trump rallies
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGQLyP7nDgctj2Gr2LcljT. Bob Creamer, the
> founder
> > and head of a group called Democracy Partners, claims that both the
> > Clinton campaign and the DNC were aware of the type of tactics being
> > employed.
> >
> > “We are contracted directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign” --
> > James Foval
> >
> > These shocking admissions were caught on video coming directly out of the
> > mouths of these high-ranking operatives, but the major networks are
> > remarkably uninterested in reporting on them.
> >
> > There can be no doubt that the liberal media are becoming even more
> > brazen in their attempts to fix this election.
> >
> > It’s time for the American people to stand up and demand accountability
> > from their media. Please help us spread the truth about the media’s
> > dishonesty by sharing this with your friends and family.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Even the murder capital of the USA isn't all that dangerous. 
But it's dangerous compared to sitting home in NH...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/10/john-boch/war-safer-chicago/

> On October 19, 2016 at 5:24 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Angie and I made a whirlwind trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago for our 15th
> anniversary. Her grandmother was convinced we were going to be killed since
> Chicago is a murdering place. I wanted to tell her that they had a front end
> loader for hauling away the bodies in the street...

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Re: [MBZ] 230.4 renamed Aziz Ansari video - vote!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Since you are likely a R vote you should set an example and boycott this
election.  After all, the election is RIGGED anyway.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I surely hope no idiot goes out and votes because some other idiot told
> them to.
>
>
> I like what Mike Rowe said to an idiot who asked him to join the celebrity
> 'encourage the vote' train:
> http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/10/12/mike-rowe-
> shares-wise-opinion-voting/
>
> So no, Jeremy – I can’t personally encourage everyone in the country to
> run out
> and vote. I wouldn’t do it, even if I thought it would benefit my personal
> choice. Because the truth is, the country doesn’t need voters who have to
> be
> cajoled, enticed, or persuaded to cast a ballot. We need voters who wish to
> participate in the process. So if you really want me to say something
> political,
> how about this – read more
>
> Remember – there’s nothing virtuous or patriotic about voting just for the
> sake
> of voting, and the next time someone tells you otherwise, do me a favor –
> ask
> them who they’re voting for. Then tell them you’re voting for their
> opponent.
> Then, see if they’ll give you a ride to the polls.
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Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: If Trump Should Win the Election

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think we need a time-out, we don't really need congress or a president for a 
couple years. Pass a continuing resolution to fund the government at current 
levels for the next 4 years and let the system run itself for awhile
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: If Trump Should Win the Election
   
Case made. Showmanship has made Donald Trump incredibly rich and
influential.  Well demonstrated by these examples and hundreds of others.

So... Who would you rather vote for.. an entertaining guy who is successful
in business. or a gal whose claim to fame is decades of political
manipulation and several congressional investigations into her actions
because they have all the ear marks of having been violations of law.. 

Or... does this Republic still belong to We the People, capable of running
our own lives and our own country?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He won't win. It's rigged. He is part of the rig. Here is my FB post on
> the topic. For most folks I'm sure it is TL;DR or too long, didn't read.
>
> Enjoy. This will be my only post on this subject.
>
> Okay. With all the hoopla over the upcoming presidential election, I
> figure I will post my take on things. Some effort is required on your part,
> to understand where I am coming from.
> First things first. Do you know the meaning of the word "Kayfabe"? No?
> Here's a link, please read the article, it's rather interesting.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
>
> You really read it, right? Especially the subtitle "Trump buys WWE Monday
> Night Raw". Go back and read it
>
> Okay, now I need you to watch a video. Understand that the two executive
> looking guys really are executives of their respective corporations. Each
> of them is worth well in excess of a billion dollars.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I=em
>
> I've always found WWF, WWE entertaining, especially this clip. Didn't you?
>
> Now, the final thing I need for you to do, to exactly understand my
> perspective, is this. Take a long hard look at this picture.
>
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/the-
> wedding-that-explains-the-election.html
>
> Read the first paragraph (rest of the article is kayfabe). Hillary (and
> Chelsea) sat in the front row of Donald and Melania Trumps wedding. In
> front of Donald's children. You know, the place where Donald's parents
> would have sat, were they alive.
>
> Get it yet?
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Damn... that would make me retreat to my "safe zone area" and make an
appointment with my "trigger point counselor".

Although... I must say, I've always enjoyed the "group therapy sessions"
held here 3 times each year...

Here's a video of one of the latest ones..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZecNFzEqQY

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> that we need to ban discussion of the election and politics in general
>
> although I do realize that there would then be almost no traffic on the
> list.
>
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] 230.4 renamed Aziz Ansari video - vote!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I surely hope no idiot goes out and votes because some other idiot told them to.


I like what Mike Rowe said to an idiot who asked him to join the celebrity
'encourage the vote' train:
http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/10/12/mike-rowe-shares-wise-opinion-voting/

So no, Jeremy – I can’t personally encourage everyone in the country to run out
and vote. I wouldn’t do it, even if I thought it would benefit my personal
choice. Because the truth is, the country doesn’t need voters who have to be
cajoled, enticed, or persuaded to cast a ballot. We need voters who wish to
participate in the process. So if you really want me to say something political,
how about this – read more

Remember – there’s nothing virtuous or patriotic about voting just for the sake
of voting, and the next time someone tells you otherwise, do me a favor – ask
them who they’re voting for. Then tell them you’re voting for their opponent.
Then, see if they’ll give you a ride to the polls.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How would I lose my job or how does the 24 hour news cycle make people crazy?
I'd lose my job because I work for a company (Avid) that makes tools for TV and 
film makers. The stuff I train people on is mostly used for making TV news...
The 24 hour news cycle makes people think things are way worse than they are. 
If you ask around people will tell you theres a mass shooting every day and 
that murder is rampant in the streets. 
Angie and I made a whirlwind trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago for our 15th 
anniversary. Her grandmother was convinced we were going to be killed since 
Chicago is a murdering place. I wanted to tell her that they had a front end 
loader for hauling away the bodies in the street...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?
   
How so?
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Other than the fact it would lose me my job I agree, the 24 hour news cycle 
makes people crazy...
-Curt

      From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

I suggest and propose, if we are going to have a 4 year vacation from
Washington DC in action, we also have a 4 year vacation from all the "news
media"... suspend their FCC license to broadcast and "give us all a break".

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember
> > this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first
> > applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
> >
> > The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> > them all.
> >
> > No id needed to register
> > on site registration
> >
> > Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> > DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> > polling place
> > people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> > Onsite electioneering
> > The list goes on and on
>
>
> Over the last two days, conservative activist organization Project
> Veritas has released a series of bombshell videos
> http://email.mrc.org/c/ 14bGKDltXxRlT21Q5b4gSotu of Democratic operatives
> bragging about paying protesters to incite violence at Donald Trump
> rallies and admitting to voter fraud.
>
> Yet ABC, CBS, and NBC have yet to mention the shocking revelations on
> either their morning or evening newscasts
> http://email.mrc.org/c/ 14bGMG5glurZkb7zCgoqZ2KX
> http://email.mrc.org/c/ 14bGOIP2Jr2CLkdj9lIB5H2q This is in spite of the
> fact that two of the operatives featured in the videos have been already
> fired or stepped down.
>
> If there was any doubt that nearly every major news outlet in the country
> is 100% in the tank for Hillary Clinton, it should be gone now.
>
> In the videos, national field director of Americans United for Change,
> James Foval admits to “starting anarchy” by unleashing what he calls
> “conflict engagement” at Donald Trump rallies
> http://email.mrc.org/c/ 14bGQLyP7nDgctj2Gr2LcljT. Bob Creamer, the founder
> and head of a group called Democracy Partners, claims that both the
> Clinton campaign and the DNC were aware of the type of tactics being
> employed.
>
> “We are contracted directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign” --
> James Foval
>
> These shocking admissions were caught on video coming directly out of the
> mouths of these high-ranking operatives, but the major networks are
> remarkably uninterested in reporting on them.
>
> There can be no doubt that the liberal media are becoming even more
> brazen in their attempts to fix this election.
>
> It’s time for the American people to stand up and demand accountability
> from their media. Please help us spread the truth about the media’s
> dishonesty by sharing this with your friends and family.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 19, 2016 at 5:30 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Its especially not dangerous if you're in the touristy-est part of the city.
> We stayed at the Intercontinental (for free, on points) and were never more
> than about 10 blocks from there.

You mean you aren't planning on taking a 4am stroll on the south side?
(or having your 15 year old daughter out and about in a bad part of Lexington
for that matter)
http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article108608787.html
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember 
> this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first 
> applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
> 
> The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of 
> them all.
> 
> No id needed to register
> on site registration
> 
> Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong 
> polling place
> people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> Onsite electioneering
> The list goes on and on


Over the last two days, conservative activist organization Project
Veritas has released a series of bombshell videos
http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGKDltXxRlT21Q5b4gSotu of Democratic operatives
bragging about paying protesters to incite violence at Donald Trump
rallies and admitting to voter fraud.

Yet ABC, CBS, and NBC have yet to mention the shocking revelations on
either their morning or evening newscasts
http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGMG5glurZkb7zCgoqZ2KX
http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGOIP2Jr2CLkdj9lIB5H2q This is in spite of the
fact that two of the operatives featured in the videos have been already
fired or stepped down.

If there was any doubt that nearly every major news outlet in the country
is 100% in the tank for Hillary Clinton, it should be gone now.

In the videos, national field director of Americans United for Change,
James Foval admits to “starting anarchy” by unleashing what he calls
“conflict engagement” at Donald Trump rallies
http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGQLyP7nDgctj2Gr2LcljT. Bob Creamer, the founder
and head of a group called Democracy Partners, claims that both the
Clinton campaign and the DNC were aware of the type of tactics being
employed.

“We are contracted directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign” --
James Foval

These shocking admissions were caught on video coming directly out of the
mouths of these high-ranking operatives, but the major networks are
remarkably uninterested in reporting on them.

There can be no doubt that the liberal media are becoming even more
brazen in their attempts to fix this election.

It’s time for the American people to stand up and demand accountability
from their media. Please help us spread the truth about the media’s
dishonesty by sharing this with your friends and family.

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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

< Why not join them instead of wasting your breath trying to convince
us naïve morons that Everything Is Rigged? 

Really... where is the challenge in that???

I for one would miss your witty repartee`, Andrew.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Among others, but there are cadres of conspiracists in the backwoods of
> northern ID who believe The End is Near.  They all pack heat, grow
> their own veggies, and rage against the feds - just like you.  Why not join
> them instead of wasting your breath trying to convince us naïve morons that
> Everything Is Rigged?
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Both Idaho and Montana are running over with hollyweird wackos with far
> > more money than brains.
> >
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >> October 19, 2016 at 1:37 PM
> >> Montana is where the real whack-a-doodles go although I guess there are
> >> probably some in Idaho too.
> >> I just read the second Jack Reacher book, it revolves around a militia
> in
> >> Montana, good book...
> >> -Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Other than the fact it would lose me my job I agree, the 24 hour news cycle 
makes people crazy...
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
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Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:03 PM
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I suggest and propose, if we are going to have a 4 year vacation from
Washington DC in action, we also have a 4 year vacation from all the "news
media"... suspend their FCC license to broadcast and "give us all a break".

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember
> > this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first
> > applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
> >
> > The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> > them all.
> >
> > No id needed to register
> > on site registration
> >
> > Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> > DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> > polling place
> > people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> > Onsite electioneering
> > The list goes on and on
>
>
> Over the last two days, conservative activist organization Project
> Veritas has released a series of bombshell videos
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGKDltXxRlT21Q5b4gSotu of Democratic operatives
> bragging about paying protesters to incite violence at Donald Trump
> rallies and admitting to voter fraud.
>
> Yet ABC, CBS, and NBC have yet to mention the shocking revelations on
> either their morning or evening newscasts
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGMG5glurZkb7zCgoqZ2KX
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGOIP2Jr2CLkdj9lIB5H2q This is in spite of the
> fact that two of the operatives featured in the videos have been already
> fired or stepped down.
>
> If there was any doubt that nearly every major news outlet in the country
> is 100% in the tank for Hillary Clinton, it should be gone now.
>
> In the videos, national field director of Americans United for Change,
> James Foval admits to “starting anarchy” by unleashing what he calls
> “conflict engagement” at Donald Trump rallies
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGQLyP7nDgctj2Gr2LcljT. Bob Creamer, the founder
> and head of a group called Democracy Partners, claims that both the
> Clinton campaign and the DNC were aware of the type of tactics being
> employed.
>
> “We are contracted directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign” --
> James Foval
>
> These shocking admissions were caught on video coming directly out of the
> mouths of these high-ranking operatives, but the major networks are
> remarkably uninterested in reporting on them.
>
> There can be no doubt that the liberal media are becoming even more
> brazen in their attempts to fix this election.
>
> It’s time for the American people to stand up and demand accountability
> from their media. Please help us spread the truth about the media’s
> dishonesty by sharing this with your friends and family.
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Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I agree. Thank you for raising this Randy.

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1982 300CD
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On Oct 19, 2016 4:27 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> that we need to ban discussion of the election and politics in general
>
> although I do realize that there would then be almost no traffic on the
> list.
>
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: If Trump Should Win the Election

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Good point.
One of my favorite quotes is, I believe, from Mark Twain.

"The most dangerous place in America is District of Columbia when Congress
is in session."

[May have been Will Rogers... both were slightly before my time, but
equally brilliant at getting to the point.]

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think we need a time-out, we don't really need congress or a president
> for a couple years. Pass a continuing resolution to fund the government at
> current levels for the next 4 years and let the system run itself for
> awhile
> -Curt
>
>   From: G Mann via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:37 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: If Trump Should Win the Election
>
> Case made. Showmanship has made Donald Trump incredibly rich and
> influential.  Well demonstrated by these examples and hundreds of others.
>
> So... Who would you rather vote for.. an entertaining guy who is successful
> in business. or a gal whose claim to fame is decades of political
> manipulation and several congressional investigations into her actions
> because they have all the ear marks of having been violations of law.. 
>
> Or... does this Republic still belong to We the People, capable of running
> our own lives and our own country?
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > He won't win. It's rigged. He is part of the rig. Here is my FB post on
> > the topic. For most folks I'm sure it is TL;DR or too long, didn't read.
> >
> > Enjoy. This will be my only post on this subject.
> >
> > Okay. With all the hoopla over the upcoming presidential election, I
> > figure I will post my take on things. Some effort is required on your
> part,
> > to understand where I am coming from.
> > First things first. Do you know the meaning of the word "Kayfabe"? No?
> > Here's a link, please read the article, it's rather interesting.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
> >
> > You really read it, right? Especially the subtitle "Trump buys WWE Monday
> > Night Raw". Go back and read it
> >
> > Okay, now I need you to watch a video. Understand that the two executive
> > looking guys really are executives of their respective corporations. Each
> > of them is worth well in excess of a billion dollars.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I=em
> >
> > I've always found WWF, WWE entertaining, especially this clip. Didn't
> you?
> >
> > Now, the final thing I need for you to do, to exactly understand my
> > perspective, is this. Take a long hard look at this picture.
> >
> > http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/the-
> > wedding-that-explains-the-election.html
> >
> > Read the first paragraph (rest of the article is kayfabe). Hillary (and
> > Chelsea) sat in the front row of Donald and Melania Trumps wedding. In
> > front of Donald's children. You know, the place where Donald's parents
> > would have sat, were they alive.
> >
> > Get it yet?
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] If Trump Should Win the Election

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The bitcoin would reign supreme.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
> If Trump should win the election, I wonder what would happen to the
> indicators of worldwide optimism/pessimism such as international stock
> market prices, gold prices, value of the dollar relative to other
> currencies, etc.?
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Speaking of Chitown, were I a Cubs fan I would feel mighty uneasy right now.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Its especially not dangerous if you're in the touristy-est part of the
> city. We stayed at the Intercontinental (for free, on points) and were
> never more than about 10 blocks from there.
> Oh wait, maybe we were, we went to dinner with friends and drove over to
> see the remains of Harpo Studio where my friend worked...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Mitch Haley 
>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:27 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?
>
> Even the murder capital of the USA isn't all that dangerous.
> But it's dangerous compared to sitting home in NH...
>
> https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/10/john-boch/war-safer-chicago/
>
> > On October 19, 2016 at 5:24 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Angie and I made a whirlwind trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago for our
> 15th
> > anniversary. Her grandmother was convinced we were going to be killed
> since
> > Chicago is a murdering place. I wanted to tell her that they had a front
> end
> > loader for hauling away the bodies in the street...
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Well, if anyone has been following the DNC etal Wikileaks emails, you'll 
understand why there will be voter fraud. In the past it was harder when there 
was a paper trail, but now with mostly computers, the fraud will be easier, 
especially where IDs etc have been ruled against by liberal judges/courts. I 
trust a lot of Americans, I just rarely trust self centered, self serving ultra 
liberals. When the Clown News Network tells people not to read the Wikileaks 
emails, but wait for CNN to tell you what they meanthat is pretty low news 
/ journalism...if you can call it that. I personally witnessed vote buying by 
the Democrat Party when I was a child. And I haven't seen a moral or ethical 
upswing in the DNC over the decades that I've been alive. Being a scientist or 
believing in statistics is no guarantee of a correct outcome. And I'd much 
rather have the facts than the truth. 
Again, just my opinion. As I've gotten older, I've seen too much to blindly 
trust too much. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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[MBZ] I think . . .

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

that we need to ban discussion of the election and politics in general

although I do realize that there would then be almost no traffic on the 
list.



RB


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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its especially not dangerous if you're in the touristy-est part of the city. We 
stayed at the Intercontinental (for free, on points) and were never more than 
about 10 blocks from there.
Oh wait, maybe we were, we went to dinner with friends and drove over to see 
the remains of Harpo Studio where my friend worked...
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 5:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?
   
Even the murder capital of the USA isn't all that dangerous. 
But it's dangerous compared to sitting home in NH...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/10/john-boch/war-safer-chicago/

> On October 19, 2016 at 5:24 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Angie and I made a whirlwind trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago for our 15th
> anniversary. Her grandmother was convinced we were going to be killed since
> Chicago is a murdering place. I wanted to tell her that they had a front end
> loader for hauling away the bodies in the street...


   
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Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Maybe you ought to do that.

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1982 300CD
1990 300D
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On Oct 19, 2016 4:53 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Damn... that would make me retreat to my "safe zone area" and make an
> appointment with my "trigger point counselor".
>
> Although... I must say, I've always enjoyed the "group therapy sessions"
> held here 3 times each year...
>
> Here's a video of one of the latest ones..
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZecNFzEqQY
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > that we need to ban discussion of the election and politics in general
> >
> > although I do realize that there would then be almost no traffic on the
> > list.
> >
> >
> > RB
> >
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[MBZ] 230.4 renamed Aziz Ansari video - vote!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwjLSP1JZY=youtu.be
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm tempted.  ID is beautiful, I love the great outdoors and gardening, and
although I don't pack heat I'm an expert woodsplitter and camp fire builder.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:00 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> < Why not join them instead of wasting your breath trying to convince
> us naïve morons that Everything Is Rigged? 
>
> Really... where is the challenge in that???
>
> I for one would miss your witty repartee`, Andrew.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Among others, but there are cadres of conspiracists in the backwoods of
> > northern ID who believe The End is Near.  They all pack heat, grow
> > their own veggies, and rage against the feds - just like you.  Why not
> join
> > them instead of wasting your breath trying to convince us naïve morons
> that
> > Everything Is Rigged?
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Both Idaho and Montana are running over with hollyweird wackos with far
> > > more money than brains.
> > >
> > > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > >> October 19, 2016 at 1:37 PM
> > >> Montana is where the real whack-a-doodles go although I guess there
> are
> > >> probably some in Idaho too.
> > >> I just read the second Jack Reacher book, it revolves around a militia
> > in
> > >> Montana, good book...
> > >> -Curt
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I suggest and propose, if we are going to have a 4 year vacation from
Washington DC in action, we also have a 4 year vacation from all the "news
media"... suspend their FCC license to broadcast and "give us all a break".

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember
> > this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first
> > applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
> >
> > The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> > them all.
> >
> > No id needed to register
> > on site registration
> >
> > Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> > DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> > polling place
> > people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> > Onsite electioneering
> > The list goes on and on
>
>
> Over the last two days, conservative activist organization Project
> Veritas has released a series of bombshell videos
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGKDltXxRlT21Q5b4gSotu of Democratic operatives
> bragging about paying protesters to incite violence at Donald Trump
> rallies and admitting to voter fraud.
>
> Yet ABC, CBS, and NBC have yet to mention the shocking revelations on
> either their morning or evening newscasts
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGMG5glurZkb7zCgoqZ2KX
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGOIP2Jr2CLkdj9lIB5H2q This is in spite of the
> fact that two of the operatives featured in the videos have been already
> fired or stepped down.
>
> If there was any doubt that nearly every major news outlet in the country
> is 100% in the tank for Hillary Clinton, it should be gone now.
>
> In the videos, national field director of Americans United for Change,
> James Foval admits to “starting anarchy” by unleashing what he calls
> “conflict engagement” at Donald Trump rallies
> http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGQLyP7nDgctj2Gr2LcljT. Bob Creamer, the founder
> and head of a group called Democracy Partners, claims that both the
> Clinton campaign and the DNC were aware of the type of tactics being
> employed.
>
> “We are contracted directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign” --
> James Foval
>
> These shocking admissions were caught on video coming directly out of the
> mouths of these high-ranking operatives, but the major networks are
> remarkably uninterested in reporting on them.
>
> There can be no doubt that the liberal media are becoming even more
> brazen in their attempts to fix this election.
>
> It’s time for the American people to stand up and demand accountability
> from their media. Please help us spread the truth about the media’s
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

As long as that includes the Alt Right, Fox, and Breitbarts et al - game on!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 5:03 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I suggest and propose, if we are going to have a 4 year vacation from
> Washington DC in action, we also have a 4 year vacation from all the "news
> media"... suspend their FCC license to broadcast and "give us all a break".
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 13:26:13 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember
> > > this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first
> > > applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
> > >
> > > The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> > > them all.
> > >
> > > No id needed to register
> > > on site registration
> > >
> > > Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> > > DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> > > polling place
> > > people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> > > Onsite electioneering
> > > The list goes on and on
> >
> >
> > Over the last two days, conservative activist organization Project
> > Veritas has released a series of bombshell videos
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGKDltXxRlT21Q5b4gSotu of Democratic operatives
> > bragging about paying protesters to incite violence at Donald Trump
> > rallies and admitting to voter fraud.
> >
> > Yet ABC, CBS, and NBC have yet to mention the shocking revelations on
> > either their morning or evening newscasts
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGMG5glurZkb7zCgoqZ2KX
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGOIP2Jr2CLkdj9lIB5H2q This is in spite of the
> > fact that two of the operatives featured in the videos have been already
> > fired or stepped down.
> >
> > If there was any doubt that nearly every major news outlet in the country
> > is 100% in the tank for Hillary Clinton, it should be gone now.
> >
> > In the videos, national field director of Americans United for Change,
> > James Foval admits to “starting anarchy” by unleashing what he calls
> > “conflict engagement” at Donald Trump rallies
> > http://email.mrc.org/c/14bGQLyP7nDgctj2Gr2LcljT. Bob Creamer, the
> founder
> > and head of a group called Democracy Partners, claims that both the
> > Clinton campaign and the DNC were aware of the type of tactics being
> > employed.
> >
> > “We are contracted directly with the DNC and the [Clinton] campaign” --
> > James Foval
> >
> > These shocking admissions were caught on video coming directly out of the
> > mouths of these high-ranking operatives, but the major networks are
> > remarkably uninterested in reporting on them.
> >
> > There can be no doubt that the liberal media are becoming even more
> > brazen in their attempts to fix this election.
> >
> > It’s time for the American people to stand up and demand accountability
> > from their media. Please help us spread the truth about the media’s
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Among others, but there are cadres of conspiracists in the backwoods of
northern ID who believe The End is Near.  They all pack heat, grow
their own veggies, and rage against the feds - just like you.  Why not join
them instead of wasting your breath trying to convince us naïve morons that
Everything Is Rigged?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Both Idaho and Montana are running over with hollyweird wackos with far
> more money than brains.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> October 19, 2016 at 1:37 PM
>> Montana is where the real whack-a-doodles go although I guess there are
>> probably some in Idaho too.
>> I just read the second Jack Reacher book, it revolves around a militia in
>> Montana, good book...
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> Angie and I made a whirlwind trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago for our 15th 
> anniversary. Her grandmother was convinced we were going to be killed since 
> Chicago is a murdering place. I wanted to tell her that they had a front end 
> loader for hauling away the bodies in the street...
>

In one or two neighborhoods.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I have been avoiding this topic because I am so upset this year over our 
choices.  I know everybody says that every election, but this year it is clear 
these are the worst candidates we have ever had. 

One thing that has helped me sleep at night is that the election will not be 
decided in Kansas.  Or Mississippi, or Idaho, or California, or Illinois, or 
Massachusetts, or Texas, or New York.  Whether we like it or not, the way our 
system is set up and the demographics/population, this election will be decided 
in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, Wisconsin and a very few others.  
Those are the states where voters need to educate themselves and voting public 
doesn't usually like to put any work into deciding their vote.   But, I can't 
really throw any stones.  I'm scared as hell about this election with either 
Donald OR Hillary winning and for the most part I have very little say in who 
it will be.   

All of this is why I think the MOST IMPORTANT thing to do is to make sure you 
are voting in all the other races!   Each of us has a say in who our state and 
local representatives will be! 


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-Original Message-
From: Dwight Giles [mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

I agree. Thank you for raising this Randy.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Oct 19, 2016 4:27 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> that we need to ban discussion of the election and politics in general
>
> although I do realize that there would then be almost no traffic on 
> the list.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Voter Fraud Wuz: Re: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

So, was the video referenced here faked to make it appear that the HRC
campaign and the DNC staged astroturf events?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/19/two-democrat
ic-operatives-lose-jobs-after-james-okeefe-sting/



Greg

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Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:26 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Voter Fraud Wuz: Re: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

You guys are sharp. Was the Apollo 13 moon landing faked too? Who shot JFK?

On Oct 18, 2016 11:55 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

they just commit more and more fraud until the desired outcome happens.  No
different than when they play solitaire.  They just keep cheating until
they win, then feel all smug and holier than thou.

clay via Mercedes 
> October 18, 2016 at 10:42 PM
>
> In 2004 WA had a contested election for governor. The donkey lost, but
> demanded a recount. It took six months and numerous recounts until she
> finally won. Turned out there were dead people who voted donkey. Prison
> residents voted donkey. Dead felons voted donkey. Wetbacks voted donkey.
> Family pets voted donkey. A number of people of color voted for the donkey
> a number of times. Given the number of fraudulent ballots cast, I have no
> idea how the final count came out in favor of the donkey after they had
> lost every count up to that point with all the fraudulent votes.
>
> clay
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
future.

Greg

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Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: clay
Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
cable may be perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
cheap dollars.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Brake lines are no big deal if you have a tube bender and the old one to 
copy, and a flare tool that will work with whatever flare the tube has 
on it.  Don't forget to put your fittings on before flaring!  (I know 
this!)  You can get the tube at the FLAPS, probably borrow the tools 
from them.  Rebuilt calipers aren't that much, or a knacker set if they 
are not too buggered up.  I don't know about the parking brake, I don't 
think I have dealt with that.  Rotors are rather cheap too.


Remember, these cars were designed for field repairs in some fairly 
godforsaken places.


--R


On 10/19/16 8:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
future.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: clay
Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
cable may be perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
cheap dollars.


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Used brake parts are such a crap shoot I can't see it being worth doing. What 
would you pay for used calipers vs what you'd pay for remans with a good 
warranty?
Pads is cheap, buy good ones.
I'd NEVER use a used brake line. Hard lines aren't expensive. The expensive 
part is when the fittings strip trying to get the old ones apart.
-Curt


  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:52 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
   
I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been getting 
topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local wrench twister 
down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is where 
the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.  Rear rotor 
wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.  Front tie rod 
ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park cable may be 
perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and 
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am not 
at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different 
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get a 
set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?  Is 
there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in the 
petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I think.  
If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove the hard 
line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will be doing all 
this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.  I will also need to 
install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for 
cheap dollars.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1To do a double flare, all you need is the special thimble and 
a regular flare tool.  I buy the special thimbles from snappy, but they 
are NOT guaranteed by snappy.  I buy 2 for each time I have to make a 
brake line.  I usually end up breaking one.


BY ALL MEANS, make several trial runs on scrap steel lines.  You need 
some lube compatible with brake fluid to lube the double flare as you do it.



Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 8:41 PM
All of this looks like fairly straightforward DIY. Bending brake tubing
can be done, and a double-flare tool is not particularly expensive. I
bought one for the Ebola Fishtank, though I no longer know where it is.
Somewhere, no doubt... Practice putting flares on the ends of scraps
before you tackle the big boy.

It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
splice section of hard line. Not sure if you can get female fittings or
not.

My _guess_ is that all W126 use the same braking parts. Or, rebuild the
calipers you have. If you can get the kits, they're cheap.

-- Jim
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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 7:37 PM
Brake lines are no big deal if you have a tube bender and the old one 
to copy, and a flare tool that will work with whatever flare the tube 
has on it.  Don't forget to put your fittings on before flaring!  (I 
know this!)  You can get the tube at the FLAPS, probably borrow the 
tools from them.  Rebuilt calipers aren't that much, or a knacker set 
if they are not too buggered up.  I don't know about the parking 
brake, I don't think I have dealt with that.  Rotors are rather cheap 
too.


Remember, these cars were designed for field repairs in some fairly 
godforsaken places.


--R




Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 7:13 PM
My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK 
if he

buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
future.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
clay via

Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: clay
Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

I have no parking brake in Polei. Also have a fluid leak that has been
getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3. Sent the car to local
wrench twister down the block. He came back with an estimate of $2k to 
make

whole.

What is not good. Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle. That is
where the leak be. Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
Front tie rod ends are perished. Wanted to charge to do alignment. Park
cable may be perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself. I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
pads. Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot. I am
not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC). So, were I 
to get
a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to 
install?
Is there a change from early to late calipers? Like I could use them 
from a

SD?

The hard line is a question. There must be the same line that is used in
the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well. It is only the one line I
think. If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same? OR, should I remove
the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line? I will
be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands. I will
also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship 
me for

cheap dollars.


clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 19, 2016 at 6:06 PM rogerhga--- via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, if anyone has been following the DNC etal Wikileaks emails, you'll
> understand why there will be voter fraud.

The voter fraud in Athens in 1946 wasn't unusual, I'm sure. 
What was unusual was that a sufficient quantity of men were willing to DO
something about it. 
If you can imagine 200 special deputies looking over the voters' shoulders,
telling a black man he was voting for the wrong sheriff, and shooting him when
he refused to change his vote, well, maybe voting fraud today IS mild. 
I think the solution to that would have been to shoot a deputy between the eyes
right after he shot the voter. 
What the veterans of Athens did was lay siege to the jailhouse after the
deputies hid there with the ballot boxes to "count" the votes. After the sheriff
surrendered, the vets counted the ballots in public. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)


I just think they're getting better at hiding it. After all, fraudulent voting,
unlike armed robbery, is a crime that's designed to go undetected. If one kid
gets caught registering at least 8 corpses to vote, is he the only kid in the
country doing that, or is he the only one who got caught and publicized?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 230.4 renamed Aziz Ansari video - vote!

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Well.. he sort of has that special "Anthony Weiner" celeb persona You
want to watch him but once you do, you don't want to mention it to anyone..

Some people exist only so mothers can point to them and say "Don't ever
grow up and be like that." ... Think he's in that special group...

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> He's about as stupid as his video.Apparently he thinks he is a
> celebrity of some form.   Another moron who does not understand the concept
> of normal variation.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> October 19, 2016 at 4:03 PM
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwjLSP1JZY=youtu.be
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> Both Idaho and Montana are running over with hollyweird wackos with far more
> money than brains.

Ben Stein?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 230.4 renamed Aziz Ansari video - vote!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You do have a point in that as a result of this video millennials will
register and vote for Her by the millions.

On Oct 19, 2016 7:28 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Well.. he sort of has that special "Anthony Weiner" celeb persona You
> want to watch him but once you do, you don't want to mention it to anyone..
>
> Some people exist only so mothers can point to them and say "Don't ever
> grow up and be like that." ... Think he's in that special group...
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > He's about as stupid as his video.Apparently he thinks he is a
> > celebrity of some form.   Another moron who does not understand the
> concept
> > of normal variation.
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> October 19, 2016 at 4:03 PM
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[MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been getting 
topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local wrench twister 
down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make whole.

What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is where 
the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.  Rear rotor 
wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.  Front tie rod 
ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park cable may be 
perished.

I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and 
pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am not 
at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.

I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different 
calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get a 
set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?  Is 
there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a SD?

The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in the 
petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I think.  
If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove the hard 
line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will be doing all 
this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will also need to 
install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.

Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for 
cheap dollars.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] Fw: Fw: New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

I ordered and got my new tumbler and key for my 95 E300D. The internet 
mercedes shop I was dealing with could not supply a matching key and tumbler 
to the car. I was amazed when I found out the local Mercedes dealership 
charged the same price for the tumbler and key, and I didn't even have to 
pay shipping. I ordered it on Monday and picked it up today. I got installed 
when I got home tonight.


The steps I went through to complete the key/tumbler change, which was made 
more difficult because I couldn't get the key back to the removal position.


1) Remove the the headlight control knob, should be just a straight pull of 
the knob
2) Removed the plastic trim that hides the screws that hold the lower dash 
cover below the steering column
3) I removed the instrument cluster to access the ( 2 ) screws that hold the 
steering column

4) You may need to disconnect the wires from the steering itself
5) I tried to remove the steering column, but couldn't figure that out ( I 
have an electric advance-retract column )
6) Since the tumbler is in the off position, the push pin, see attached 
photo, can not be depressed to release the steering lock assembly from the 
steering column.

7) Remove the screw that clamps the steering lock to the steering column.
8) Then grind the release pin down until can removed the steering lock 
assembly, you may need to towels and rags to protect the car interior
9) I next removed the ( 2 ) screws that attach steering column to the dash 
structure, this is done so that you can remove the steering lock assembly 
from the column
10) Rotate the column clockwise until you have the room to pull and remove 
the steering lock assembly from the column
11) With the steering lock out, you can grind through the steel protective 
sleeve to gain access to the hole to release tumbler from the steering lock.
  You need to make ( 2 ) cuts 180 degrees apart, I actually had to make 
a third cut, to remove the sleeve
NOTE: Be very careful how deep you go, if you go too deep you may make the 
steering lock housing unusable
12) At this point you can assemble the steering lock assembly back into the 
steering column try to center the push pin with the hole in the steering 
column and tighten the

 clamp screw
13) You now can reattach the steering column to the dash and put the 
instrument cluster back
14) If you have the new tumbler and protective sleeve these can be installed 
now, make sure the ignition switch is in the run position and with the steel 
protective sleeve over the tumbler and key installed in tumbler, orient the 
key to match the position of the ignition and slide the assembly into the 
steering lock and push until the sleeve locks in place. Take this part 
carefully, as I didn't get it in the correct position and had to remove it 
and realigned things and try again.

15) reinstall dash covers and plastic and you should be good to go!

-Original Message- 
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

Bob, explain this again?  How did you get up to the point that you could
use the abrasive cut-off wheel?  I think you said that you removed the
entire steering column?

I'm going to have a similar fight with the "95 124 Cabriolet, keys are
missing and the ignition tumbler / lock assembly looks like it has been
broken free of the steering column in a failed attempt to steal the car.  I
have the steering column from Wilton's '87 300D, plan is to install that
with a new tumbler matched to the VIN so one key opens doors and trunk as
well as operates the ignition.

Thanks,
Max

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Abrasive cutting wheel cut right through no problem. Was very careful with
the depth and only have several small cuts into the steering lock housing
that will be hidden under the new protector sleeve. Tomorrow I will be
putting most everything back together, as I have order new sleeve and
tumbler set and they mount from the front and slide in place. I tried to
use the tumbler from my 190 until the new ones come in, but after install,
it would not turn to the off position to release the key.

Regards,

Bob Massmann
1995 E300D 448,000 miles



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[MBZ] Braking news

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, ordinarily it would be spelled Breaking news...

hillarry rod'em (made up to look like maggie Thatcher) SUPPORTS the 
second amendment!


Oh!

Wait!

Its hillary Rod'em CLINTON, the noted liar  lying again.


Now back to our regular program

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Re: [MBZ] I think . . .

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Donald wrote:
> I'm scared as hell about this election with either Donald OR Hillary 
> winning...

Certainly it is that type of fear that is tempered in the structure of
the governance specified in the Constitution?  This governance does
not operate with one man in the presidency.  There are two houses of
congress and the SCOTUS.  This year, the jazz is totally boring.
Neither Donald OR Hillary will be a leader... about similar to 43 and
Barack HNIC.  Things move slowly... on purpose.  Correct?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 230.4 renamed Aziz Ansari video - vote!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

He's about as stupid as his video.Apparently he thinks he is a 
celebrity of some form.   Another moron who does not understand the 
concept of normal variation.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 4:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwjLSP1JZY=youtu.be


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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

All of this looks like fairly straightforward DIY.  Bending brake tubing
can be done, and a double-flare tool is not particularly expensive.  I
bought one for the Ebola Fishtank, though I no longer know where it is.
Somewhere, no doubt...  Practice putting flares on the ends of scraps
before you tackle the big boy.

It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
splice section of hard line.  Not sure if you can get female fittings or
not.

My _guess_ is that all W126 use the same braking parts.  Or, rebuild the
calipers you have.  If you can get the kits, they're cheap.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] that 90 300TD yuro

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Is now up to $8500, unless the guy has a schill bidding for him.

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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

That does sound better than dropping a few K for some busted knuckle dragger to 
so much what I could.

I have tried to install parking shoes on the 300SE.  It was a mess.  No 
instructions, but it looked simple.   The springs were a PITA

clay



> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brake lines are no big deal if you have a tube bender and the old one to 
> copy, and a flare tool that will work with whatever flare the tube has on it. 
>  Don't forget to put your fittings on before flaring!  (I know this!)  You 
> can get the tube at the FLAPS, probably borrow the tools from them.  Rebuilt 
> calipers aren't that much, or a knacker set if they are not too buggered up.  
> I don't know about the parking brake, I don't think I have dealt with that.  
> Rotors are rather cheap too.
> 
> Remember, these cars were designed for field repairs in some fairly 
> godforsaken places.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 10/19/16 8:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>> My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
>> buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
>> could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
>> future.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
>> Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: clay
>> Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
>> 
>> I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
>> getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
>> wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
>> whole.
>> 
>> What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
>> where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
>> Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
>> Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
>> cable may be perished.
>> 
>> I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
>> pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
>> not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.
>> 
>> I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
>> calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
>> a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
>> Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
>> SD?
>> 
>> The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
>> the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
>> think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
>> the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
>> be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
>> also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.
>> 
>> Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
>> cheap dollars.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] Chit ca go wuz: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Over 10 people a day shot in CHit cago.  almost 2 a day dead.

Homicides for 2016 as of today:  574.
Total people shot in 2016 as of today:  3325.

They are only battin' .172

But Rahmdumb has succeeded in raising the toll from 509 to whatever it 
will be by the end of the year.  Maybe another 65 to 75 to 574 to 584?


Lessall run out and vote fer the H=>bomb to spread this hopeNchange over 
the rest of the country.




Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 4:27 PM
Even the murder capital of the USA isn't all that dangerous.
But it's dangerous compared to sitting home in NH...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/10/john-boch/war-safer-chicago/




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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I would much prefer the ability to splice

clay

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All of this looks like fairly straightforward DIY.  Bending brake tubing
> can be done, and a double-flare tool is not particularly expensive.  I
> bought one for the Ebola Fishtank, though I no longer know where it is.
> Somewhere, no doubt...  Practice putting flares on the ends of scraps
> before you tackle the big boy.
> 
> It might be possible to cut out the bad spot in the middle, and flare in a
> splice section of hard line.  Not sure if you can get female fittings or
> not.
> 
> My _guess_ is that all W126 use the same braking parts.  Or, rebuild the
> calipers you have.  If you can get the kits, they're cheap.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Voter Fraud Wuz: Re: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the dems and their flunkies disguised as "media" have been using lies to 
defame every and any (R) candidate for decades or longer.   take fer 
instance, the faked "evidence" about GW's career in the Air guard.   Dan 
Blather lost his job over that pack of lies.   Or Dirty Harry claiming 
that "a friend" told him WIllard didn't pay taxes


The (R) flunkies are afraid to stand up to the (D) lies.

So DJT appears and is unafraid of the (D) lies.

The (D) fraud is not only voter fraud.  As Mitch points out, it is top 
to bottom, stem to stern.


It is time to take up the pitchforks, regardless of the outcome of the 
Nov election, we need to take back our republic.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 11:17 PM
There's campaign fraud (ranging from planted audience questions on up 
to VERY
dirty tricks), campaign finance fraud, and voting fraud (which they 
keep telling
us isn't worth worrying about when decades of 'common knowledge' say 
it's been

happening all over).

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Chicago just needs more "Gun Free Zone" signs... in larger print... not in
cursive

The bastion of gun control is the poster child of failed government
programs... Can I ask for my tax money back?

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> -Curt wrote:
> > Angie and I made a whirlwind trip to Chicago a couple weeks ago for our
> 15th anniversary. Her grandmother was convinced we were going to be killed
> since Chicago is a murdering place. I wanted to tell her that they had a
> front end loader for hauling away the bodies in the street...
> >
>
> In one or two neighborhoods.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Parking brake shoes/cables are a total PITA.  Have new springs on hand.  
I can't think of anything that is more difficult to work on.  I might 
even choose to do an evapectomy over changing park brake cables.



clay via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 10:21 PM
That does sound better than dropping a few K for some busted knuckle 
dragger to so much what I could.


I have tried to install parking shoes on the 300SE. It was a mess. No 
instructions, but it looked simple. The springs were a PITA


clay



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[MBZ] This might be really nice

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mercedes
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5831225908.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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Re: [MBZ] Voter Fraud Wuz: Re: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

There's campaign fraud (ranging from planted audience questions on up to VERY
dirty tricks), campaign finance fraud, and voting fraud (which they keep telling
us isn't worth worrying about when decades of 'common knowledge' say it's been
happening all over).

Mitch. 

> On October 19, 2016 at 6:57 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So, was the video referenced here faked to make it appear that the HRC
> campaign and the DNC staged astroturf events?
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/19/two-democrat
> ic-operatives-lose-jobs-after-james-okeefe-sting/

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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

I just got some tube from FleaBay on order.  The tube bender is in the tool 
box.  I will have to see how to stick the ends onto it.

clay


> On Oct 19, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My mechanical engineer brother swears by copper alloy brake lines. IDK if he
> buys pre formed or fabs them himself. If they can be self-fabbed then that
> could be a cheaper alternative. Corrosion would be a non-issue for the
> future.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay via
> Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: clay
> Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
> 
> I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been
> getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local
> wrench twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make
> whole.
> 
> What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is
> where the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.
> Rear rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.
> Front tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park
> cable may be perished.
> 
> I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and
> pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am
> not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.
> 
> I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different
> calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get
> a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?
> Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a
> SD?
> 
> The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in
> the petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I
> think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove
> the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will
> be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.   I will
> also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.
> 
> Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for
> cheap dollars.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!

[clay via Mercedes]

Used may be better than what it on the car at the moment.   I can sort of test 
the PnP parts when I pull them.  I am pretty sure the shop just whipped out a 
catalogue instead of doing more than shine a light  on it.  The on my ones 
could be rebuilt once they come off.  Or they could be just fine

clay




> On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Used brake parts are such a crap shoot I can't see it being worth doing. What 
> would you pay for used calipers vs what you'd pay for remans with a good 
> warranty?
> Pads is cheap, buy good ones.
> I'd NEVER use a used brake line. Hard lines aren't expensive. The expensive 
> part is when the fittings strip trying to get the old ones apart.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:52 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] It's Braken Jim!
> 
> I have no parking brake in Polei.  Also have a fluid leak that has been 
> getting topped up with big jugs of FLAPS DOT 3.  Sent the car to local wrench 
> twister down the block.  He came back with an estimate of $2k to make whole.
> 
> What is not good.  Hard line is rusted out near the rear axle.  That is where 
> the leak be.  Pads back and forward are sort of ok, but want fresh.  Rear 
> rotor wants fresh, Rear calipers want fresh, park shoes want fresh.  Front 
> tie rod ends are perished.  Wanted to charge to do alignment.  Park cable may 
> be perished.
> 
> I can do tie rod ends myself.  I am pretty comfortable installing rotor and 
> pads.  Getting the parking shoes seated is a HUGE pain in the patoot.  I am 
> not at all interested in paying retail for calipers or the hard line.
> 
> I am assuming the Benz engineers did not get all crazy and put different 
> calipers on the diesel v. petrol cars (unless it be SEC).  So, were I to get 
> a set of calipers from PnP gen II W126, I would be in the clear to install?  
> Is there a change from early to late calipers?  Like I could use them from a 
> SD?
> 
> The hard line is a question.  There must be the same line that is used in the 
> petrol editions that is used in SDL as well.  It is only the one line I 
> think.  If I pull PnP 560SEL line that would be same?  OR, should I remove 
> the hard line, take it to a brake shop and have them fab me a line?  I will 
> be doing all this on a creeper in the rain with car on jack stands.  I will 
> also need to install the park brake cable that came in a box with the car.
> 
> Maybe Kaleb has spare w126 brake line, caliper set that he will ship me for 
> cheap dollars.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Voter Fraud Wuz: Re: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

She got anhilated tonight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the dems and their flunkies disguised as "media" have been using lies to 
> defame every and any (R) candidate for decades or longer.   take fer 
> instance, the faked "evidence" about GW's career in the Air guard.   Dan 
> Blather lost his job over that pack of lies.   Or Dirty Harry claiming that 
> "a friend" told him WIllard didn't pay taxes
> 
> The (R) flunkies are afraid to stand up to the (D) lies.
> 
> So DJT appears and is unafraid of the (D) lies.
> 
> The (D) fraud is not only voter fraud.  As Mitch points out, it is top to 
> bottom, stem to stern.
> 
> It is time to take up the pitchforks, regardless of the outcome of the Nov 
> election, we need to take back our republic.
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> October 19, 2016 at 11:17 PM
>> There's campaign fraud (ranging from planted audience questions on up to VERY
>> dirty tricks), campaign finance fraud, and voting fraud (which they keep 
>> telling
>> us isn't worth worrying about when decades of 'common knowledge' say it's 
>> been
>> happening all over).
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Voter Fraud Wuz: Re: 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You guys are sharp. Was the Apollo 13 moon landing faked too? Who shot JFK?

On Oct 18, 2016 11:55 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

they just commit more and more fraud until the desired outcome happens.  No
different than when they play solitaire.  They just keep cheating until
they win, then feel all smug and holier than thou.

clay via Mercedes 
> October 18, 2016 at 10:42 PM
>
> In 2004 WA had a contested election for governor. The donkey lost, but
> demanded a recount. It took six months and numerous recounts until she
> finally won. Turned out there were dead people who voted donkey. Prison
> residents voted donkey. Dead felons voted donkey. Wetbacks voted donkey.
> Family pets voted donkey. A number of people of color voted for the donkey
> a number of times. Given the number of fraudulent ballots cast, I have no
> idea how the final count came out in favor of the donkey after they had
> lost every count up to that point with all the fraudulent votes.
>
> clay
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Massive organized voter fraud

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So that means Trump has no chance of winning Iowa right? If he does, does
that mean there was no fraud? Or if Clinton wins, does that prove your
point? If there were no fraud, would Trump sweep all 50 states?

On Oct 18, 2016 11:45 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
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> OK, lets try this again.  I didn't mean to hijack the 2.3 l thread.
>
> I have not yet had time to watch this video, but i'd guess this scott
> foval is the guy who organized the massive voter fraud in Iowa in 2008, and
> now has been promoted to the chief of fraud for the H (road to hell )
> campaign.   It seems that eventually the truth will come out.
>
> http://whoradio.iheart.com/onair/n-a-42296/rigging-the-elect
> ion-second-video-exposes-15214881/
>
> The GS funded rent a mobs have been exposed as have some of the  other
> systematized fraud sponsored by the (D) party.
>
> As of today, foval and another guy have been promoted to head up some
> other GS funded organization to promote fraud in the U.S.
>
>
> The BO DOJ could not be contacted for comment.  It seems they are all
> visiting Bahama tom (harkin) in the bahamas and are in money laundering,
> offshore money hiding,  and voter fraud classes sponsored by bahama tom.
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 18, 2016 at 10:58 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The only *significant* election fraud was The Supremes putting W in the WH.

Andrew, surely you're not both an election fraud denier and conspiracy theorist,
depending on whether the suspects are on your side or not?

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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Soros is Not a Nazi. He's a Jew.

On Oct 19, 2016 12:05 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> The "Butt Hurt Form 529's " were right by the door on your way in... did
> you fail to pick up some?
>
> Whaa wah it's Bush's fault... Does that still ring for you?
> Really?
>
> When I read this latest information, and see the video, I see direct
> connections referenced to Geo Soros Is there anything evil this old
> Nazi doesn't have his hand in?
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The only *significant* election fraud was The Supremes putting W in the
> WH.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Voter fraud?  Nonsense, never happens, that's just a code word you
> > extreme
> > > right-wing haters use to justify your racists, homophobic, xenophobic
> > laws
> > > about voter ID requirements and immigration controls.  Laws?  We don't
> > need
> > > no stinking laws, you sexist, deplorable, irredeemable haters.  Can't
> you
> > > understand, we're doing it for the children!You don't want to pay
> > your
> > > fair share of taxes, do you?
> > >
> > > /rant
> > > --
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > > '87 300TD
> > > '95 E300
> > >
> > > On October 18, 2016 4:35:18 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >I have not yet watched it but i'd guess this scott foval is the guy
> who
> > > >
> > > >organized the massive voter fraud in Iowa in 2008, and now has been
> > > >promoted to the chief of fraud for the H (road to hell ) campaign.
>  It
> > > >
> > > >seems that eventually the truth will come out.
> > > >
> > > >http://whoradio.iheart.com/onair/n-a-42296/rigging-the-
> > > election-second-video-exposes-15214881/
> > > >
> > > >The GS funded rent a mobs have been exposed as have some of the  other
> > > >systematized fraud sponsored by the (D) party.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 19, 2016 at 9:28 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Soros is Not a Nazi. He's a Jew.

...who helped the Nazis round up other Jews, which sort of disproves your racist
assumptions about him. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] You guys are watching TV?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

No traff*ck on okiebenz?
Really?
...okay... maybe i should participate, kinda...
youtube live it is for as long as I can not puke.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Braking news

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You're bad!

No, you're bad!

Liar!

No, you're a liar!

Vote for me!

--FT


On 10/19/16 10:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Well, ordinarily it would be spelled Breaking news...

hillarry rod'em (made up to look like maggie Thatcher) SUPPORTS the 
second amendment!


Oh!

Wait!

Its hillary Rod'em CLINTON, the noted liar  lying again.


Now back to our regular program

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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There were some researchers on GMA this morning, one of which has been 
researching the voting process for over 20 years.

The instances of actual voting fraud or irregularities that could not be 
attributed to clerical errors or outright mistakes in the last two presidential 
elections were in the range of less than 200.  Pretty much statistically 
insignificant.

I for one have worked the polls in many places since I was a teenager, and I 
will say that from my experience the likelihood of voter fraud on the scale 
suggested by a current presidential candidate simply doesn't exist.

Dan

> On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As a scientist, I am not a big conspiracist. The election fraud theories
> are way way overblown. You can believe what you want, I'll stick to the
> truth.
> 
> On Oct 19, 2016 10:03 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On October 18, 2016 at 10:58 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The only *significant* election fraud was The Supremes putting W in the
>> WH.
>> 
>> Andrew, surely you're not both an election fraud denier and conspiracy
>> theorist,
>> depending on whether the suspects are on your side or not?
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

As a scientist, I am not a big conspiracist. The election fraud theories
are way way overblown. You can believe what you want, I'll stick to the
truth.

On Oct 19, 2016 10:03 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

>
> > On October 18, 2016 at 10:58 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The only *significant* election fraud was The Supremes putting W in the
> WH.
>
> Andrew, surely you're not both an election fraud denier and conspiracy
> theorist,
> depending on whether the suspects are on your side or not?
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember 
this Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first 
applied what he is planning for the H bomb this election?


The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of 
them all.


No id needed to register
on site registration

Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong 
polling place

people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
Onsite electioneering
The list goes on and on

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 11:07 AM
There were some researchers on GMA this morning, one of which has been 
researching the voting process for over 20 years.


The instances of actual voting fraud or irregularities that could not 
be attributed to clerical errors or outright mistakes in the last two 
presidential elections were in the range of less than 200. Pretty much 
statistically insignificant.


I for one have worked the polls in many places since I was a teenager, 
and I will say that from my experience the likelihood of voter fraud 
on the scale suggested by a current presidential candidate simply 
doesn't exist.


Dan




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[MBZ] If Trump Should Win the Election

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

If Trump should win the election, I wonder what would happen to the indicators 
of worldwide optimism/pessimism such as international stock market prices, gold 
prices, value of the dollar relative to other currencies, etc.?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curley, if you have so little faith in America then perhaps you should move
to rural Idaho, another "I" state but way more rugged.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember this
> Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first applied
> what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
>
> The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> them all.
>
> No id needed to register
> on site registration
>
> Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> polling place
> people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> Onsite electioneering
> The list goes on and on
>
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> October 19, 2016 at 11:07 AM
>> There were some researchers on GMA this morning, one of which has been
>> researching the voting process for over 20 years.
>>
>> The instances of actual voting fraud or irregularities that could not be
>> attributed to clerical errors or outright mistakes in the last two
>> presidential elections were in the range of less than 200. Pretty much
>> statistically insignificant.
>>
>> I for one have worked the polls in many places since I was a teenager,
>> and I will say that from my experience the likelihood of voter fraud on the
>> scale suggested by a current presidential candidate simply doesn't exist.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Montana is where the real whack-a-doodles go although I guess there are 
probably some in Idaho too.
I just read the second Jack Reacher book, it revolves around a militia in 
Montana, good book...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 2:32 PM
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Curley, if you have so little faith in America then perhaps you should move
to rural Idaho, another "I" state but way more rugged.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You have not worked at a university polling place in Iowa.  Remember this
> Scott foval character is from Iowa.  Where do you think he first applied
> what he is planning for the H bomb this election?
>
> The list of fraudulent practices was so high I could not keep track of
> them all.
>
> No id needed to register
> on site registration
>
> Busses with IL license plates  seen in the parking lot
> DNC operative telling people with cowboy boots to go vote in the wrong
> polling place
> people going in the booth with a retard to vote for retards.
> Onsite electioneering
> The list goes on and on
>
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> October 19, 2016 at 11:07 AM
>> There were some researchers on GMA this morning, one of which has been
>> researching the voting process for over 20 years.
>>
>> The instances of actual voting fraud or irregularities that could not be
>> attributed to clerical errors or outright mistakes in the last two
>> presidential elections were in the range of less than 200. Pretty much
>> statistically insignificant.
>>
>> I for one have worked the polls in many places since I was a teenager,
>> and I will say that from my experience the likelihood of voter fraud on the
>> scale suggested by a current presidential candidate simply doesn't exist.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Both Idaho and Montana are running over with hollyweird wackos with far 
more money than brains.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 19, 2016 at 1:37 PM
Montana is where the real whack-a-doodles go although I guess there 
are probably some in Idaho too.
I just read the second Jack Reacher book, it revolves around a militia 
in Montana, good book...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] WAY OT: If Trump Should Win the Election

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

He won't win. It's rigged. He is part of the rig. Here is my FB post on the 
topic. For most folks I'm sure it is TL;DR or too long, didn't read. 

Enjoy. This will be my only post on this subject. 

Okay. With all the hoopla over the upcoming presidential election, I figure I 
will post my take on things. Some effort is required on your part, to 
understand where I am coming from. 
First things first. Do you know the meaning of the word "Kayfabe"? No? Here's a 
link, please read the article, it's rather interesting. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

You really read it, right? Especially the subtitle "Trump buys WWE Monday Night 
Raw". Go back and read it

Okay, now I need you to watch a video. Understand that the two executive 
looking guys really are executives of their respective corporations. Each of 
them is worth well in excess of a billion dollars. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I=em

I've always found WWF, WWE entertaining, especially this clip. Didn't you? 

Now, the final thing I need for you to do, to exactly understand my 
perspective, is this. Take a long hard look at this picture.  

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/17/the-wedding-that-explains-the-election.html

Read the first paragraph (rest of the article is kayfabe). Hillary (and 
Chelsea) sat in the front row of Donald and Melania Trumps wedding. In front of 
Donald's children. You know, the place where Donald's parents would have sat, 
were they alive. 

Get it yet?

Rick
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