Re: [MBZ] I had a clogged fuel tank strainer today.....

[Marshall Booth]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
on my '83 300SD from dirty WVO...or so I thought.  Removed both fuel lines  
under the tank; DRIP, DRIP, DRIP, DRIP.WTF?  So I pulled the strainer  
out, had a pan and everything ready for a gush of fuel,  
and..NOTHING!  My damn fuel guage is not working, no reserve  
light.  Damn thing stranded me 1.5 miles from home this afternoonUGH!


Now, here's the question of the post.  My CD reserve light comes on when  
you turn the key on to start warming the glow plugs, is the SD (126)  
suppose to do the same?




What the light coming on (cars built AFTER 9/82 - they would be model 
year '83 - according to the attached file) when you turn the key on 
tells you is that the light works. It does NOT test that the circuit works!


Diagrams attached.

Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 
159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

  Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection
http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm


54-256.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


54-257.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

[MBZ] DEEP trouble changing my OM615 timing chain

[Fmiser]

Seemed like a good day to do it.

So I pulled out the little orange box that I got from my sister the same
time I bought the car from her.

Just like the manual says, I pulled the new chain in as the old one came
out. So far so good.

But the new chain "ran out" before the old one!! By that I mean there
were about 10 links of the old chain between the two ends of the new
chain.

"This is not a good sign..." I said to my self.

So I pulled the old one back in as the new one came out. It lines up
perfect - but it's still 7 deg streched.

"Okay, maybe something slipped the first time." I thought, hopefully.

So I pulled in the new chain again - this time noting the timing marks
every time they went by. The crank-cam timing is spot-on; but the new
chain is still too short!! 

Grrr!!

I counted the links on the old chain. 136

Once again, I pulled in the old chain. Again, it's long enough. Now I
counted the links on the new chain. 126

So, oh great list-gurus, here are all the numbers on the new chains box.
Do I have the wrong part number, or just the wrong part?

Sticker #1
iwis ketten 
iwis chains

Duplex Bush Chain13
D 67 HRZ126
3/8 x 7/32 vGld

50023423

   Sticker #2

TIMING CHAIN IWIS 615/6/7
997 003-99715794

   Philip, skilled at making simple jobs complex!

Re: [MBZ] I had a clogged fuel tank strainer today.....

[OK Don]

It does on my SDL -- 

 
> Now, here's the question of the post.  My CD reserve light comes on when
> you turn the key on to start warming the glow plugs, is the SD (126)
> suppose to do the same?
> 

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'81 240D
'78 450SLC
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Re: [MBZ] Finally fixed my sagging rear - on my car, that is

[LT Don]

We are going to take up a collection and buy you a life. 

LT Don W., USCG, retired

:-)


On 8/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Loaded down the back of the car with ~400lbs, bled it out,
> cycled it up and down a few times. Unloaded the car, and then drove over a
> set of bumps several times.
> 
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen

[MBZ] I had a clogged fuel tank strainer today.....

[Luther Gulseth]

on my '83 300SD from dirty WVO...or so I thought.  Removed both fuel lines  
under the tank; DRIP, DRIP, DRIP, DRIP.WTF?  So I pulled the strainer  
out, had a pan and everything ready for a gush of fuel,  
and..NOTHING!  My damn fuel guage is not working, no reserve  
light.  Damn thing stranded me 1.5 miles from home this afternoonUGH!


Now, here's the question of the post.  My CD reserve light comes on when  
you turn the key on to start warming the glow plugs, is the SD (126)  
suppose to do the same?


--
Luther  KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

[MBZ] Finally fixed my sagging rear - on my car, that is

[meadedillon]

Shipmates,

Yesterday I had a few spare hours, so I installed a new control valve 
(thanks Rusty - less than $200!!) for the self-leveling system on rear axle 
of my '85 300TD.  Loaded down the back of the car with ~400lbs, bled it out, 
cycled it up and down a few times.  Unloaded the car, and then drove over a 
set of bumps several times.


I think I've achieved success.  Right now the star-to-fender-lip height is 
just under 13 inches.  No change in height after sitting for ~24 hours.  I 
checked the return line at the reservoir - no more drip, drip, drip.


I'm going to play with the adjusting arm, and try to get it closer to 12.75 
inches, before I call it completely done.


Thanks to all who offered advice, especially David Bruckman.  Now I've got 
two old valves to play with, going to see if I can fix those and sell them 
on Ebay.


Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Meade M. Dillon, USNR
'85 300TD 323k miles (Euro 5spd)
'96 Infiniti I30 150k miles (wife's 5spd)
'73 Balboa 20 'Sanctification'
Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] List Splitting

[Bucks2]

I agree Dick. Let's throw the diesel stuff off and get back to talking about 
real Mercedes. One could think that the diesel folks could have their own oil 
discussion list and the rest of us could discuss "general" stuff.

Ken 
YTTIC


In a message dated 8/28/2005 11:01:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Dan Landiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] List Splitting
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: list splitting. 206 messages in 24 hours is sufficient cause. I'll 
hang around another day or so to see if the content justifies the 
volume, and if this keeps up I'll take a vacation and look back in later.

Re: [MBZ] THE REALITY

[Bucks2]

My sympathy to you and yours. It is never the right time to lose one of the 
good guys. 

Ken
Tacoma Fire


In a message dated 8/27/2005 10:17:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


HI all 
for the record I am a phila policeman 
the  story attached is my friend and ex partner  policeman  Terrence Flomo 
he was killed Friday morning by 2 jit bags

Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Curt Raymond]

Actually it reads more like small and slow vs. big and slow. I like shooting a 
.38, there are many well balanced comfortable .38s but they've got zip for 
stopping power even compared to the 9mm.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:10:46 -0400
From: "RAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>> >The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
>> >Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
>> velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm 
>> simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the 
.45.
 
  http://www.manatarmsbooks.com/excerpt.html
Here is some real world history on why Big and Slow is better than 
Small and Fast. In close range combat.   Russ H.  



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Re: [MBZ] Neutral Sefety Switch

[redghost]

Cool boat.  Too small to be a real ship.  Maybe when it hits salt water  
and grows up



On Sunday, August 28, 2005, at 07:21 AM, Royce Engler wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot about you being one of those candy-a$$ed flyboys  


 
Sailors belong on ships and ships belong at sea!!!  Haze gray and  
underway

 
Here's a cool picture of a new test ship being evaluated...    
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/ 
military_photos_20058271.asp

 

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K

 
 
 -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LT Don

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 6:45 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Neutral Sefety Switch

actually, it is an aviation thing -- I was a "sailor" but in twenty  
years I spent a total of 3 days at sea (during OCS and under duress)  
and 1600 hours up in the air.


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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Curt Raymond]

Agreed.
I'm in the smaller, lighter, faster camp. Allows me to carry more ammunition, 
be more accurate, have less recoil, and shoot more often.
 
The guy who just knocked the cow down was almost certainly using hollow point 
bullets. Cow's gotta thick skull, you hit it there with a hollow point and the 
force gets dispersed. For that shot you use a smaller FMJ to let that thing zip 
into the cranial cavity and bounce around.
 
For self defense I've got a .357 mag Ruger Security six. 125grain HP or 
semi-wadcutters pack a whallop. No need to load it hot so recoil isn't really 
an issue.
 
Lets also remember that 9mm is not so much smaller than .380 in diameter...
 
-Curt
 
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:21:39 -0400
From: JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


it's an endless source of debate, but there seems more to it than 
calculating simple force

  i tend to be in the big and slow camp.  230grain hollowpoint .45 
ACP is my choice for carry.  in terms of a defensive handgun, my 
thought is .45 ACP or .357 magnum

i just got the casull to be stupid.  i do intend to get proficient 
with it though, but i don't imagine it will ever be a practical 
defensive weapon




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Re: [MBZ] 70.905.00.20.9 AC switch

[redghost]

GEORGE!

You has a busted thingama-doohickey.

you asked about said busted part.

Slinky was mentioned.

I have no slinky, but do have stairs

Your busted part is not needed in Gump, she has no AC

Your car has AC

I have the doohickey-thingama, in not busted condition

I also have a busted one

Be nice or I send you the busted one.

Do you need the un-busted one?


On Saturday, August 27, 2005, at 08:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Slinkies? no thanks I have plenty :)
 

-- Original message --

> I have a spare if you need it.
>
> Push me down the stairs or not
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2005, at 06:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

>
> > Yeah, thanks.
> >
> > Reminds me of a saying.
> >
> > stupid people are like slinkies. Useless, but still puts a smile on
> > your face when you push them down stairs
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> > -- Original message --
> >
> > > busted
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> 1995 E300D - Cleo
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The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[Alex Chamberlain]

The peanut butter! Don't eat it afterwards, though.

On 8/28/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The peanut oil or the Gojo?
> 
> On 8/28/05, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yep, just like Adams peanut butter. (Benz content: Which also works well
> > for getting stickers off smooth surfaces, like the stickers in 
> inconvenient
> > places that sometimes come on factory parts drop-shipped via Rusty.)
>

Re: [MBZ] List Splitting

[John Robbins]

Nah, I use my own server don't really have to worry about a 2gb 
limit ;)  


Rory wrote:

Get a gmail account and who cares how msgs. you get, it has a nice 
format treads.


Rory

On 8/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Personally, the traffic doesn't really bother me, but I can see
how that
much would bother others...  would be nice to have a MBZ list and
then a
general chat & MBZ list...  would make the filtering significantly
easier
;)

John

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Dan Landiss wrote:

> Re: list splitting. 206 messages in 24 hours is sufficient
cause. I'll
> hang around another day or so to see if the content justifies the
> volume, and if this keeps up I'll take a vacation and look back
in later.
>
> --
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with ketchup.
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Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[OK Don]

The peanut oil or the Gojo?

On 8/28/05, Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep, just like Adams peanut butter.  (Benz content: Which also works well
> for getting stickers off smooth surfaces, like the stickers in inconvenient
> places that sometimes come on factory parts drop-shipped via Rusty.)

-- 
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Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[Alex Chamberlain]

Yep, just like Adams peanut butter. (Benz content: Which also works well for 
getting stickers off smooth surfaces, like the stickers in inconvenient 
places that sometimes come on factory parts drop-shipped via Rusty.)

On 8/28/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> You can stir it up again --
> 
> 
> > > Then again, maybe not. I find that the stuff separates (particularly 
> if
> > > left in a warm garage) after a couple of years or so.
> >
> > It still works okay as a hand cleaner after it's separated, in my
> > experience. It's just less convenient because it's runnier.
> 
>

Re: [MBZ] Neutral safety switch

[David Brodbeck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> For some reason, jumping 12 volts directly to the solenoid
> coil often overcomes the heat soak problem.

It provides more voltage to the solenoid, helping it engage, because it
bypasses the wire run to the ignition switch and the relatively small
contacts inside it.

This problem plagues rear-engined VWs, because they have a long wire run
up to the ignition switch and back.  It's so common in those vehicles
that Bosch makes a "hot start" kit to add a relay to the system.  The
ignition switch triggers the relay, and the relay provides voltage
directly from the battery to the solenoid.

David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Running cables through the firewall - W123

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:00:07 -0700 David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm going to install an amateur radio mobile rig in my W123, so I need
> to run a couple of 10-gauge power wires from the battery.  On cars I've
> had in the past, I've always been lucky enough to find existing
> penetrations I could use, instead of having to drill a new hole.  Anyone
> done this before, and have some good tricks up their sleeve?

I haven't done it, but there's a rubber grommet on my ex-240D on the
driver's side of the firewall where the vacuum lines go through that
appears to have some extra ports.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Neutral safety switch

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 8/28/2005 11:37:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Lt. Don  and all who contributed,

Thanks for the info.  I'm going to start  with the switch then on to the 
ignition switch if that doesn't  work.



Dennis,
 
I don't have access to a wiring diagram for 84, but in many Mercedes  
applications, turning the key to start moves the AC relay.  This  disconnects 
power 
to the AC circuits and sends power to energize the starter  solenoid.Just 
one more point of failure.  On my 79, the  relay is behind the kick panel by 
the driver's left foot.  There will  be 3 or 4 identical relays so you can 
switch them around for testing.
 
Many Mercedes of this era also suffer from heat soak, that is, after a hard  
run the starter will not engage because of the heat it has absorbed.   Cooling 
the starter for a while usually restores the start function.  For  some 
reason, jumping 12 volts directly to the solenoid coil often overcomes the  
heat 
soak problem.
 
Regards,
 
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 137 K  miles

[MBZ] Running cables through the firewall - W123

[David Brodbeck]

I'm going to install an amateur radio mobile rig in my W123, so I need
to run a couple of 10-gauge power wires from the battery.  On cars I've
had in the past, I've always been lucky enough to find existing
penetrations I could use, instead of having to drill a new hole.  Anyone
done this before, and have some good tricks up their sleeve?

David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[David Brodbeck]

Marshall Booth wrote:
> Do you own a 123 of later car with an OM61x or OM60x engine? Did you 
> replace the "O" rings on the oil filter cap stem??

Yes, and no.  That may be the issue.  Hadn't thought about it because
the oil pressure *is* acceptable -- always at least 1.3 bar.  But they
probably do need replacing.

David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[David Brodbeck]

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> It was a political move designed to more align is with out NATO allies. The
> same allies who for the most part, sat back & and watched us invade Iraq.

Maybe they smelled the bullshit when Colin Powell told them why we were
invading.  Gotta admit, he had me fooled, though.

Re: [MBZ] R&R of rear trailing arm bushings 82 300SD

[Peter Frederick]

Bushings (or control arm) can be replaced with the subframe on the car, 
but you must lower it on the side in question to remove the outer pivot 
bolt.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[Peter Frederick]

New master cylinder time, or MC rebuild -- the seals are going, and you 
have only one brake circuit.


Eventually they will start to sink under light pedal pressure but be 
fine if you step down hard and fast -- and then one time the master 
cylinder will fail completely


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[OK Don]

You can stir it up again -- 


> > Then again, maybe not. I find that the stuff separates (particularly if
> > left in a warm garage) after a couple of years or so.
> 
> It still works okay as a hand cleaner after it's separated, in my
> experience.  It's just less convenient because it's runnier.


-- 
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Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[OK Don]

Then you don't have enough old Benz's!

On 8/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> I got my gojo from costco. Came in a gallon for under 5$. 
>   
> My great grand kids will be using it ;)
>  

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Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] List Splitting

[Rory]

Get a gmail account and who cares how msgs. you get, it has a nice format 
treads.

Rory

On 8/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Personally, the traffic doesn't really bother me, but I can see how that
> much would bother others... would be nice to have a MBZ list and then a
> general chat & MBZ list... would make the filtering significantly easier
> ;)
> 
> John
> 
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Dan Landiss wrote:
> 
> > Re: list splitting. 206 messages in 24 hours is sufficient cause. I'll
> > hang around another day or so to see if the content justifies the
> > volume, and if this keeps up I'll take a vacation and look back in 
> later.
> >
> > --
> > Never argue with a dragon, for you are crunchy and taste good with 
> ketchup.
> >
> >
> >
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[MBZ] 84 300Dt Climate Control

[Russ Williams]

A buddy of mine has a  '84 300Dt and is having problems with his A/C.
Here's whats happing. When he turns on the A/C it will blow cold air for 
about

2 or 3 days. Then the Blower Motor fuse No.8 blows and also the Rear window
Defrost fuse No.10 blows.
I haven't had time to pull the blower motor and check it for crud.
Does anybody have the PDF for the Climate Control system?
My CD doesn't have the Climate Control wiring diagram.
We have disconnected the Rear Window switch from the system and it's
still blowing the fuse.

The PO had problems with the window switches and had some IDIOT work
on them. We are still trying to sort out that problem. So I don't know 
what else

he did to the electrical system.

Any ideas or advise will greatly appreciated.
No Back to changing out the center bearing on the "new" 240D and
getting ready for Miss Katrina's  visit tomorrow.

Russ W.
'83 240D x 2

Re: [MBZ] Neutral safety switch

[Dennis Perkins]

Lt. Don and all who contributed,

Thanks for the info.  I'm going to wtart with the switch then on to the 
ignition switch if that doesn't work.


Dennis Perkins
84 300SD



Subject: Re: [MBZ] Neutral safety switch
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Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

It is on the side of the transmission, driver's side. It isn't difficult to
get to if the car is on a lift or wheel ramps, but it is pretty close
quarters if all four wheels are sitting on the pavement.

Re: [MBZ] 240d - 300sd auto trans the same?

[Marshall Booth]

Steve MacSween wrote:

Is the auto trans used in the w123 240d, say 1982, the same 'small' unit as
the one used in the w126 300sd (which if memory serves was a 1982-> change
to the smaller unit?).

Mac 


All of the 126s (and 123s with turbodiesel engines) from model year '82 
on had 733.3 series transmissions (except the California certified '85 
300D/TD/CD). Starting MY '82 the 240D first had a 722.1 and then a 722.4 
transmission.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] R-12

[ms.300SD]

Wow. I guess I got the super deal with I was the only bidder on a 30# tank 
of virgin freon. 250.00 delivered to the house

The 300SD is quite chilly once again! Yay!

Lynn
'85 300SD 190k miles

[MBZ] R&R of rear trailing arm bushings 82 300SD

[RAH]

Has anyone R&R the rear trailing arm bushings on a 126 (82 300SD) while 
replacing the front bushing of the rear subframe? Can this be done with the 
spring in place?  FSM only shows R&R of bushings while rear trailing arm is 
completely removed from car.Russ H.

Re: [MBZ] List Splitting

[jrobbins]

Personally, the traffic doesn't really bother me, but I can see how that 
much would bother others...  would be nice to have a MBZ list and then a 
general chat & MBZ list...  would make the filtering significantly easier 
;)


John

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Dan Landiss wrote:


Re: list splitting. 206 messages in 24 hours is sufficient cause. I'll
hang around another day or so to see if the content justifies the
volume, and if this keeps up I'll take a vacation and look back in later.

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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

David Brodbeck wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:

There is really NO 10W-30 oil that I believe to be appropriate for a 
Mercedes diesel except maybe in sub zero (F) weather!


USE a 15W-40 if you are using a conventional oil.



Incidentally, when I switched my car from the 10W30 the PO had put in to
15W40, I expected to see an increase in hot oil pressure at idle.  Nope;
even with the thicker oil, the hot oil pressure is exactly where it was
before.  I'm kind of curious why that would be.  Is 15W40 just not that
much thicker?


According to API, the viscosity of 30 weight oil at 100 deg. C. must 
fall within the range of 9.3 to 12.5 cSt. 40 weight oil must fall 
between 12.5 and 16.3 cSt. so a sample of 30 weight and another of 40 
weight oil COULD measure identically at 12.5 cSt and still meet their 
respective API specifications!


Do you own a 123 of later car with an OM61x or OM60x engine? Did you 
replace the "O" rings on the oil filter cap stem?? The pair of "O" rings 
on the filter stem become petrified after about 20-25kmi and if not 
replaced, warm idle oil pressure will drop (often a little, occasionally 
a lot) and on cars with hydraulic lifters, lifter noise at idle WILL 
increase.


The part number of these "O" rings is 015-997-94-48.  It's 10mm OD X 6mm 
ID X 2mm.


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[MBZ] 240d - 300sd auto trans the same?

[Steve MacSween]

Is the auto trans used in the w123 240d, say 1982, the same 'small' unit as
the one used in the w126 300sd (which if memory serves was a 1982-> change
to the smaller unit?).

Mac 

Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

[Steve MacSween]

The first one was a fluke, when I was about 15 growing up in Montreal,
drunken crazy old guy with a shotgun thought that was how you settled noise
complaints with parties next door.

Second time, I drove into a holdup of a gas station.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Steve, you're in Canada. Why on Earth were you shot at up here?
> 
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby
> 
> On 8/28/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sorry for your ex-partner. I have been shot at twice in my life, it isn't a
>> whole lot of fun.
>> 
>> mac
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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

[JabbaHursty]

he lives in quebec


At 12:23 PM 8/28/2005, you wrote:

Steve, you're in Canada. Why on Earth were you shot at up here?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/28/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Sorry for your ex-partner. I have been shot at twice in my life, 
it isn't a

> whole lot of fun.
>
>  mac

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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

it may be something as they are sold cheaply in bulk to law enforcement


At 07:01 AM 8/28/2005, you wrote:
Never understood what was so great about the 
glock. just because it has a polymer frame and 
it can shoot under water. So can my sig


JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>yeah, i regret getting the glock instead of a sig for my .40
>
>At 06:19 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>>My sig .40 is my favorite, even my wife can handle it
>>
>>
>>Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
>> >Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.
>> >
>> >--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The 7.65 Walther PPK is 32 Auto -- --
>> >>
>> >> On 8/27/05, Harry  M.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
>> >> to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
>> >> he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >JabbaHursty wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> can you believe that bond carried a .32?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> OK Don, KD5NRO
>> >> Norman, OK
>> >> '87 300SDL
>> >> '81 240D
>> >> '78 450SLC
>> >> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
>> >> http://www.venganza.org/
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>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Brakes

[TimothyPilgrim]

Well, this happened while I was going straight down the highway at
speed. No cornering involved. I've also had times when my brakes would
be piss poor after the car sat for a while. There'd be a good shudder
under braking. I'd drive really carefully on backroads for a while
while applying pressure to even them out. They're fine now. Doesn't
mean that I don't need a brake job tho.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/27/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TimothyPilgrim wrote:
> > I had the reverse problem one time. I pushed down on the brake and it
> > went totally soft, almost to the floor. Scared the hell outta me
> > because I was on the highway at the time doing 70 mph. I got off the
> > highway onto slower streets, and the problem has never happened since.
> > Just that one press was all it was.
> 
> It might have been "pad kickback." Pad kickback happens when the rotor
> shifts enough, usually under heavy cornering loads, to push the brake
> pads back into the calipers.  When you step on the pedal, nothing
> happens at first because you're pushing the pads back into position.  It
> feels very similar to the first pump or two when you're seating new pads
> after a brake job.
> 
> Some cars have particular problems with this.  I've never heard of it
> happening on a Mercedes, but maybe if the wheel bearing play is excessive?
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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

[TimothyPilgrim]

Steve, you're in Canada. Why on Earth were you shot at up here?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 8/28/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Sorry for your ex-partner. I have been shot at twice in my life, it isn't a
> whole lot of fun.
>  
>  mac

Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

[MClaus8331]

Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[RAH]

Curt Raymond  wrote:

>> >The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
>> >Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
>> velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm 
>> simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.
 
  http://www.manatarmsbooks.com/excerpt.html
Here is some real world history on why Big and Slow is better than Small and 
Fast. In close range combat.   Russ H.  

[MBZ] List Splitting

[Dan Landiss]

Re: list splitting. 206 messages in 24 hours is sufficient cause. I'll 
hang around another day or so to see if the content justifies the 
volume, and if this keeps up I'll take a vacation and look back in later.


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Tom Hargrave]

It was a political move designed to more align is with out NATO allies. The
same allies who for the most part, sat back & and watched us invade Iraq.

There were other motivators, the biggest one being the weight of the
ammunition.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:50 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

JabbaHursty wrote:
> 
> i can't  really fully grasp why the military changed from such a 
> completely proven and effective weapon as the 1911.  i'm told it was 
> cost savings.  i also suspect that the influx of women into the 
> military also has something to do with it (not that a woman could not 
> be trained in the use of the 1911 as well as a man could be, but the
> 9 is more comfortable to shoot)

I always figured it was matching our equipment to NATO allies.

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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

JabbaHursty wrote:

what does this have to do with guns?


Thank God for Hursty - always keeping us on track!

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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

hue wong wrote:

'84 300td

Not sure if it's running at six, don't think so  (

it's not running low, that is for sure...  Jumps right
up there and never comes down...)
I just wanted to make sure it "wasn't something"  I've
run gassers for years, but am new to the deseils, not
to sure of thier little "quirks" yet...)


If you needed to know that the pressure was 6, Mercedes could have given 
you a gauge that read 6! They give you a gauge that carefully reads 
where oil pressure is critical - between 0 and 3. You NEED to know that 
the pressure is at least 3 when the rpm is 2500-3000 rpm or higher and 
is always above 0.5 at idle. That's the critical range.


You SHOULD be sure that the oil is suitable for a diesel. I recommend a 
CF or better rating and an xW-40 or xW-50 rating (CH-4 thru CI-4 rated 
oils are probably a bit more desirable, but that's hardly critical). The 
"x" should be some number between 0 and 15 (I don't know of a diesel 
rated 20X-xx oil but there MIGHT be one there somewhere). Most 
conventional diesel rated oils are 15W-40. In MY OPINION the best of 
these diesel 15W-40 oils are Chevron Delo 400 and Mobil Delvac 1300. The 
others commonly available in the US (Rotella, Exxon, Castrol, etc.) are 
inferior, rather ordinary, but can certainly provide suitable lubrication.


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Mitch Haley]

JabbaHursty wrote:
> 
> i can't  really fully grasp why the military changed from such a
> completely proven and effective weapon as the 1911.  i'm told it was
> cost savings.  i also suspect that the influx of women into the
> military also has something to do with it (not that a woman could not
> be trained in the use of the 1911 as well as a man could be, but the
> 9 is more comfortable to shoot)

I always figured it was matching our equipment to NATO allies.

Re: [MBZ] Neutral Sefety Switch

[Royce Engler]

Oh yeah, I forgot about you being one of those candy-a$$ed flyboys 

Sailors belong on ships and ships belong at sea!!!  Haze gray and
underway

Here's a cool picture of a new test ship being evaluated...
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_20058271.asp

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K



   -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LT Don
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 6:45 PM
  To: Mercedes mailing list
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Neutral Sefety Switch


  actually, it is an aviation thing -- I was a "sailor" but in twenty years
I spent a total of 3 days at sea (during OCS and under duress) and 1600
hours up in the air.

Re: [MBZ] Neutral safety switch

[Royce Engler]

When I was having trouble with intermittent non-starts, I focused on the NSS
for a while and even jumpered it for a time, at least until the non-start
occurred with it jumpered, proving that it was not the problem.  Don is
correct...if you are a "person of smaller stature", it's not too bad to get
to, but for us big guys with big hands, you pretty much have to lift it.  Be
sure to either use ramps or good jackstands if you don't have access to a
lift.

Royce Engler

1985 300TD Turbo 265K

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LT Don
  Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:41 PM
  To: Mercedes mailing list
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Neutral safety switch


  It is on the side of the transmission, driver's side. It isn't difficult
to get to if the car is on a lift or wheel ramps, but it is pretty close
quarters if all four wheels are sitting on the pavement.


  On 8/27/05, Dennis Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Is this switch readily accessible and would it be advisable to
disconnect
the battery, jump across the switch and try and start the car.

Dennis Perkins
84 300SD



Yes, most of the starting circuit is by-passed when you start it from
under the hood at the solenoid terminals. The neutral safety switch is
the most common cause, but it could also be the ignition switch
itself. I think it's time to crawl under the car and examine the
switch on the side of the tranny, and the wires attached (hopefully)
to it.



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Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test

[Harry M.]

Since the leak has eluded my many attempts to locate it, I only have ideas as 
to what it could be. Its either a cam tensioner seal or the cam seal itself. 
BTW, its not on my benz


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>The answer of course is it depends.
>
>This is the way it was explained to me. Using dino oil for 10-20-30 years 
>leaves behind sludge. The sludge froms in front of mating serfaces and allowes 
>gaskets to dry out. 
>
>It used to be adding synthetic, that had so many more "cleaners" and was more 
>fuild would clean out the sludge, and since the gasket was dried out, would 
>seap through and show up as a leak.
>
>Mobile-1, and others, have "fixed" the situation, by adding "gasket 
>rejouvanators" that "rehydrate" gaskets. Some have noticed that oils leaks 
>going away after adding synthetics.
>
>Now if you don't have leaks, and sludge is blocking off a large leak then you 
>may notice a new leak..
>
>Good luck.
>
>George
>
>-- Original message -- 
>
>> Since there is a thread here on oil I was curious to ask if anyone has used 
>> Mobil 1 and had problems with leaks prior to using? Question is does it leak 
>> more or less after switching ? 
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Frederick wrote: 
>> 
>> >Snort! 
>> > 
>> >You may not be old enough to remember the "unofficial" test reported by 
>> >a chief engineer at Ford in the early 70's when Mobil first started 
>> >selling Mobil 1. 
>> > 
>> >Seems Mobil had sent for some for engine testing "when they got around 
>> >to it" and it got stashed in the back room. During an engine endurance 
>> >test (with on the fly oil changes), the engineering department ran 
>> >short of the oil being tested and called the chief -- no oil, have to 
>> >cancel the endurance (testing to destruction) test. He said "use that 
>> >weird stuff Mobil sent us til Monday when we get the right oil" -- and 
>> >all the wear stopped in the engines while the Mobil product was in use 
>> >(it wasn't Mobil one, but an earlier similar formulation. 
>> > 
>> >This convinced the chief engineer that Mobil was onto something, and 
>> >since he had just had a new company car, a fourdoor Continental, 
>> >delivered, he had the Mobil oil put in and "tested" for on the road use 
>> >by NEVER changing it -- new filter every 10,000 miles and level 
>> >maintained only. 
>> > 
>> >At about 125,000 miles he stared to get nervous and had the engine torn 
>> >down, to discover essentiall NO wear -- most parts were 
>> >indisinguishable from new. Remember, this was about 1966 or so, when 
>> >both oil and gasoline weren't anywhere near what they are now. 
>> > 
>> >The article was in Popular Mechanics or a similar magazine I read in 
>> >High School -- I graduated in 1974. 
>> > 
>> >Mobil 1 and similar synthetic oils are vastly better lubricants than 
>> >mineral based oils (and are required for use in jet engines -- Amsoil 
>> >started out as re-packaged military spec oil for jet engines -- in 
>> >fact, using mineral oil in a jet engine will quickly kill it from 
>> >sludge buildup. 
>> > 
>> >The only drawback is cost, and if you run synthetic oil 6000 miles 
>> >between changes rather than 3000 for dino, even that disadvantage goes 
>> >away. Note that dino oil , of any type, should NOT be run more than 
>> >3000 miles between changes. By that milage it is usually saturated 
>> >with water, the detergent qualities are starting to decline, and the 
>> >viscosity will start to change. All borne out by both oil analysis 
>> >(try it, you'll see) and both my personal and other people's results -- 
>> >we ran a 1992 Chevy box van, V6 engine, for 325,000 miles without ANY 
>> >engine work other than a water pump or two by changing the oil at 
>> >Speedy Oiler every 3000 miles. Not the hardiest engine, by far, and it 
>> >eventually got so low on compression it wouldn't start at all without 
>> >ether, but hey, 300,000 miles on detroit iron! 
>> > 
>> >A friend of mine has a Chevy Blazer of similar vintage and 250,000 
>> >miles, still runs fine with a bit of blue smoke on startup (valve 
>> >guides probably), has always changed the oil every 3000 miles. 
>> > 
>> >Peter 
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Harry M.]

The FBI, DEA, US Marshal and certain other federal agencies carry sig or glock 
in .40 or .45 It seems the 9mm wasn't enough knock down power for them. 
Considering the M1911 carried us through 2 world wars including Korea and 
Viet-Nam. Why mess with a good thing, they say it was because the M9 was 
lighter and the soldier could handle more ammo.



JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>i can't  really fully grasp why the military changed from such a 
>completely proven and effective weapon as the 1911.  i'm told it was 
>cost savings.  i also suspect that the influx of women into the 
>military also has something to do with it (not that a woman could not 
>be trained in the use of the 1911 as well as a man could be, but the 
>9 is more comfortable to shoot)
>
>also of interest is that units allowed to choose their own weapon do 
>not choose 9s.  outside of NYPD, i can't think of any major force in 
>law enforcement using 9mm.   i suppose the FBI is simply 
>arithmetically challenged as well
>
>At 04:30 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>>I have to agree with you there Gary, I was in the army in the 80's 
>>when they switched to the M9 Beretta from the M1911 45. The only 
>>good thing about the M9 was capacity and weight. No knock down power 
>>and random problems with broken slides and jamming.  You get hit by 
>>a .45 slug, you darn well knew it.
>>
>>JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>> >
>> >
>> >At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
>> >>Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side arm and a nickel
>> >>plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm.  The .45 was mostly on the
>> >>outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to stay centered for most
>> >>of the clip.  Then again, if there were a bear getting within 50 yards,
>> >>I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I would need is one bullet
>> >>to actually make contact.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this shallow --  Kleb has a
>> >> > .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull so i can have the
>> >> > biggest handgun in the kingdom
>> >> >
>> >> > pretty sick, huh?
>> >> >
>> >> > will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of smith & wesson?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Harry M.]

I should correct myself, it was the M11 sig in .40 that the army MP's use and 
you are correct the hydrashok in 230 grain is what I use in my Kimber .45 Thats 
why in my army days Ma Deuce was my best friend

JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>230 grain federal hydrashok .45ACP is what I'm betting on.
>
>
>At 04:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>>Higher velocity maybe, but if you need to use one in self defense 
>>they are totally worthless. I totally refused to carry the M9 and 
>>went with the M23 sig in .40 You run into someone messed up on drugs 
>>and the only thing a 9mm is going to do is p*ss them off. Two .45s 
>>slugs to the chest is going to knock them on their a$$
>>
>>
>>Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
>> >Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
>> velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm 
>> simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.
>> >
>> >.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but 
>> it also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some 
>> sort of recoil reducing device.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-Curt
>> >
>> >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
>> >From: JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
>> >To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >
>> >9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Harry M.]

exactly!

JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>federal
>hydrashok
>230grain
>
>one of the deadliest and very reasonably priced
>
>
>At 06:16 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>>Thats cause he didn't know to use a .45 hollowpoint. Works everytime
>>
>>
>>Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >when putting down cows, you;re supposed to use a .22
>> >between the eyes and above a bit. My freind throught
>> >he'd be smart and use a .45. Cow fell down and got
>> >back up and stared at him. Used a .22, down it went,
>> >and down it stayed.
>> >
>> >.45 round is SLOW.
>> >
>> >Christopher
>> >
>> >--- JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> 9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
>> >> >Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side
>> >> arm and a nickel
>> >> >plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm.  The .45
>> >> was mostly on the
>> >> >outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to
>> >> stay centered for most
>> >> >of the clip.  Then again, if there were a bear
>> >> getting within 50 yards,
>> >> >I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I
>> >> would need is one bullet
>> >> >to actually make contact.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM,
>> >> JabbaHursty wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this
>> >> shallow --  Kleb has a
>> >> > > .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull
>> >> so i can have the
>> >> > > biggest handgun in the kingdom
>> >> > >
>> >> > > pretty sick, huh?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of
>> >> smith & wesson?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
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>> >> >1972 220D - Gump
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Harry M.]

Never understood what was so great about the glock. just because it has a 
polymer frame and it can shoot under water. So can my sig

JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>yeah, i regret getting the glock instead of a sig for my .40
>
>At 06:19 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
>>My sig .40 is my favorite, even my wife can handle it
>>
>>
>>Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
>> >Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.
>> >
>> >--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The 7.65 Walther PPK is 32 Auto -- --
>> >>
>> >> On 8/27/05, Harry  M.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
>> >> to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
>> >> he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >JabbaHursty wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> can you believe that bond carried a .32?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> OK Don, KD5NRO
>> >> Norman, OK
>> >> '87 300SDL
>> >> '81 240D
>> >> '78 450SLC
>> >> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
>> >> http://www.venganza.org/
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>> (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
>> >-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen"
>> (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen =
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Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test

[Harry M.]

Its not a hole it more like a seal, but its location eludes me. I was hoping to 
slow it down as much as I can. I've used Mobile 1 in other cars that didn't 
leak so I was thinking about switching to see if it might help


Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Harry  M. wrote:
>> Since there is a thread here on oil I was curious to ask if anyone has used 
>> Mobil 1 and had problems with leaks prior to using? Question is does it leak 
>> more or less after switching ? 
>
>Depends! If a hole is partially or entirely blocked by engine sludge, 
>then changing to a Mobil synthetic will likely cause the engine to lead 
>MORE (this is rare). You probably REALLY don't want to own most such an 
>engine however! Such an engine has been abused. If the leak is from a 
>slightly shrunken seal however, changing to Mobil synthetics will 
>usually reduce or even stop the leak as they have incorporated an 
>effective seal treatment into the additive package. This was NOT the 
>case many years ago when Mobil first introduced synthetics and the 
>switch from conventional oil of Mobil 1 allowed the seals to shrink. 
>That has NOT been a problem in at least a decade (maybe longer).
>
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Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices

[jgiels]

I don't think that I have ever bought fuel from either of these two 
companies.. So you guys that are should really stop it! ..


Douglas..
- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Something practical to combat high fuel prices



How is that going to work when we are in a peak oil chrisis?

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I received this from a friend in NY today (slightly edited to reduce the 
length)


WAR ON GAS/DIESEL PRICES

Do you have a spark of rebellion in you? Would you like to start a
modern day Boston Tea Party?

THEN JOIN the RESISTANCE

We are ALREADY close to $3.00 a gallon and it might go higher!!

Want gasoline or diesel prices to come down? We need to take some
intelligent, united action.

Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May!

The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't
continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas.

It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really work. Please read it and join with us!   By now you're probably
thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Now that the
oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that
the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market
place not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each
day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to
see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook
by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting
ourselves.

HOW?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the TWO
BIGGEST COMPANIES (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are
not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If
they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow
suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon
and Mobil gas buyers.  If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30
x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 do the same, it won't take long before
millions of drivers have been contacted!

Acting together we can make a difference.  If this makes sense to you,
please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND
KEEP THEM DOWN.

THIS CAN REALLY WORK

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Re: [MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

[Steve MacSween]

Sorry for your ex-partner. I have been shot at twice in my life, it isn't a
whole lot of fun.

mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 HI all 
for the record I am a phila policeman
 the  story attached is my friend and ex partner  policeman Terrence Flomo
he was killed Friday morning by 2 jit bags

Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[David Brodbeck]

Craig McCluskey wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:50:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> 
>>I got my gojo from costco. Came in a gallon for under 5$.
>>
>>My great grand kids will be using it ;)
> 
> 
> Then again, maybe not. I find that the stuff separates (particularly if
> left in a warm garage) after a couple of years or so.

It still works okay as a hand cleaner after it's separated, in my
experience.  It's just less convenient because it's runnier.

Re: [MBZ] Topsider

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:50:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I got my gojo from costco. Came in a gallon for under 5$.
> 
> My great grand kids will be using it ;)

Then again, maybe not. I find that the stuff separates (particularly if
left in a warm garage) after a couple of years or so.


Craig

[MBZ] GUNS AND THE REALITY

[PONDERSOA]

HI all 
for the record I am a phila policeman 
 the  story attached is my friend and ex partner  policeman  Terrence Flomo 
he was killed Friday morning by 2 jit bags
 
 the reality of firearm ownership is
A. most pl with guns don't understand just owning one does not make  you any 
safer 
 because they MUST be locked away form kids and this  means  they might not 
be accessible when they are needed in a home emergency 
 
B criminals who steal guns during a burglary can use them against the  lawful 
owner... or in this case the police .
 C bullets don't stop at a intended target... they can go on for a  loong 
distance AFTER striking the intended target
 and 
D shooting a (person criminal or not)  aint Hollywood easy  they  get up... 
run around ... scream ... now they might have deserved it  but it  aint easy 
and then YOU must justify your actions ... to police, the county  prosecutor,  
ect ect ... ( this in NO way is to say guns should not be  used/owned if there 
is a real threat it nos safety)
 
 
 I am not anti gun ( I have owned one  sense the slaveships) and  will 
continue to do so 
 but to EVERYONE who owns firearms 
please realize 
 these are machines 
 they don't know the difference between a criminal and a kid( god  forbid) 
this one of the greatest responsibilities that any adult can have
 so please take the approved firearm safety course offered  by the N.R.A.
 keep them
 LOCKED
 ...UNLOADED
 and KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER 
 and for god sakes please keep them locked up tight in your house 
 its a bitch to go to a mans funeral who should have never died
 
 mike collins
 phila pa 
 
 
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 Posted Posted August 26, 2005 04:09  August 26, 2005 
04:09  AM 
We've lost another one of our own. An officer was  shot and killed in the 
23rd District last night (2:18am) after being shot  in the chest by two thugs. 
Details are still sketchy, but the last I heard  was that the 9th had a suspect 
run inside a property on 20th Street. SWAT  was enroute. 

Pardon me for seeming callous, but I hope the suspect  (if he is the doer) is 
brought out in a body bag.  


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 Posted Posted August 26, 2005 06:31  August 26, 2005 
06:31  AM 
Details are still sketchy, but it appears an  off-duty NFU officer was shot 
multiple times at 20th and Columbia in North  Philly, in an unmarked DEA 
vehicle. Early morning news reports states that  many people were taken to 
homicide 
and a male who barracaded himself in a  house on the 800 block 20th st was 
removed by SWAT and was at homicide  being interviewed. P/C Johnson, D/C Ross 
and 
Mayor Street were on location  at Temple hospital with the family. I will not 
post the name because I am  not sure of the spelling, but I can say it was 
reported that the fallen  officer was a 9 year veteran that leaves behind a 
wife 
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 Posted Posted August 26, 2005 06:36  August 26, 2005 
06:36  AM 
My thoughts and prayers are with Officer Flomo's  friends and family. 

May he R.I.P.

_KYW1060.com_ (http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=48885) 

Phila. Police Officer Shot and  Killed

A police officer has been shot to death in North  Philadelphia. It happened 
this morning near 20th and Turner Streets not  far from Cecil B. Moore Avenue. 

Police Commissioner Sylvester  Johnson identifies the officer as 50-year-old 
Terrence Flomo, a nine-year  veteran of the force. He was married and had four 
children.  

Johnson says Flomo was assigned to an undercover narcotics unit  and had gone 
off-duty about 10pm Thursday night. It's not known why he was  in the area 
where he was shot. 

Police say Flomo was shot several  times and found sitting in an unmarked 
city-owned car that had rolled  about a block before coming to rest against 
some 
bushes. 

The  officer was conscious and talking when taken to Temple University  
Hospital. He died about 3:05am in the emergency ro

Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[David Brodbeck]

Marshall Booth wrote:
> There is really NO 10W-30 oil that I believe to be appropriate for a 
> Mercedes diesel except maybe in sub zero (F) weather!
> 
> USE a 15W-40 if you are using a conventional oil.

Incidentally, when I switched my car from the 10W30 the PO had put in to
15W40, I expected to see an increase in hot oil pressure at idle.  Nope;
even with the thicker oil, the hot oil pressure is exactly where it was
before.  I'm kind of curious why that would be.  Is 15W40 just not that
much thicker?

Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[JabbaHursty]

what does this have to do with guns?


At 10:47 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

hue wong wrote:
> I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
> missed it and can't find it in the archives...
>
>
> So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge pegs
> at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???)   Then it
> doesn't go down when I let off the "gas" and let the
> motor idle
>
> I seem to think that it starts moving about after it
> warms up...( the car has sat for the last few months)
> But I want to make sure I'm not running it this way
> and it could cause damage!
>
> Any thoughts?

THAT'S exactly what it should do.

>
>
> Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the self-leveling
> suspensions?  I just read a reference to it in the
> Chilton's manual.  I thought they ran straight
> shocks...

ALL the 123 and 124 wagons have self leveling suspension.

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I got my gojo from costco. Came in a gallon for under 5$.

My great grand kids will be using it ;)

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> > finger nails. 
> 
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Slinkies? no thanks I have plenty :)

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> I have a spare if you need it. 
> 
> Push me down the stairs or not 
> 
> On Saturday, August 27, 2005, at 06:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> 
> > Yeah, thanks. 
> > 
> > Reminds me of a saying. 
> > 
> > stupid people are like slinkies. Useless, but still puts a smile on 
> > your face when you push them down stairs 
> > 
> > ;) 
> > 
> > George 
> > 
> > 
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> > > busted 
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[hue wong]

'84 300td

Not sure if it's running at six, don't think so  (

it's not running low, that is for sure...  Jumps right
up there and never comes down...)
I just wanted to make sure it "wasn't something"  I've
run gassers for years, but am new to the deseils, not
to sure of thier little "quirks" yet...)

Thanks!






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> hue wong wrote:
> > So to clarify as I didn't quite say it right
> > 
> > 
> > When I say warms up... I mean HOT, like after
> about
> > 50-60 miles. and even then it would not always
> > drop down after that  
> > 
> > I seem to remember that the gauge would start
> > bounceing around, just after a few minutes when I
> > first got the car, then right before I put it in
> to
> > storage about six months ago, it started going all
> the
> > way to the 3 on the gauge(Full) and never backing
> > down, even when I pull up to stop signs and take
> the
> > load of the engine...
> 
> Precisely what year and model car are you talking
> about?? You seem to 
> have omitted that!
> 
> If it's a 123 my answers stand as the direct reading
> Bourdon gauges 
> seldom if ever incorrectly read high. There is NO
> problem. If it's a 124 
> or 201 series car manufactured after 1984 with an
> electric gauge, the 
> gauge CAN incorrectly read high - may even read 3+
> bar when the ignition 
> key is on (but the engine is not running).
> 
> ANY oil pressure between 3 and about 6 bar when
> driving is FINE. When 
> hot, idle pressure MUST remain above 0.5 bar (and
> 1-2 bar is usual).
> 
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[hue wong]

'84 300td

Not sure if it's running at six, don't think so  (

it's not running low, that is for sure...  Jumps right
up there and never comes down...)
I just wanted to make sure it "wasn't something"  I've
run gassers for years, but am new to the deseils, not
to sure of thier little "quirks" yet...)

Thanks!






--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hue wong wrote:
> > So to clarify as I didn't quite say it right
> > 
> > 
> > When I say warms up... I mean HOT, like after
> about
> > 50-60 miles. and even then it would not always
> > drop down after that  
> > 
> > I seem to remember that the gauge would start
> > bounceing around, just after a few minutes when I
> > first got the car, then right before I put it in
> to
> > storage about six months ago, it started going all
> the
> > way to the 3 on the gauge(Full) and never backing
> > down, even when I pull up to stop signs and take
> the
> > load of the engine...
> 
> Precisely what year and model car are you talking
> about?? You seem to 
> have omitted that!
> 
> If it's a 123 my answers stand as the direct reading
> Bourdon gauges 
> seldom if ever incorrectly read high. There is NO
> problem. If it's a 124 
> or 201 series car manufactured after 1984 with an
> electric gauge, the 
> gauge CAN incorrectly read high - may even read 3+
> bar when the ignition 
> key is on (but the engine is not running).
> 
> ANY oil pressure between 3 and about 6 bar when
> driving is FINE. When 
> hot, idle pressure MUST remain above 0.5 bar (and
> 1-2 bar is usual).
> 
> Marshall
> -- 
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> questions)
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

hue wong wrote:


Ya, I think I might have mixed the oil

I had, what I think was a loose oil return tube, off
the bottom of the air intake...  It leaked oil like a
feind, so I started dumping in gas station oil. 
Different makes of oil, and I always try and run

10-30, but am sure I mixed viscosity at some point...

I'm going to flush all the oil out tomorrow and change
the filters and see if that fixes the problem!

There is really NO 10W-30 oil that I believe to be appropriate for a 
Mercedes diesel except maybe in sub zero (F) weather!


USE a 15W-40 if you are using a conventional oil.

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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

hue wong wrote:

So to clarify as I didn't quite say it right


When I say warms up... I mean HOT, like after about
50-60 miles. and even then it would not always
drop down after that  


I seem to remember that the gauge would start
bounceing around, just after a few minutes when I
first got the car, then right before I put it in to
storage about six months ago, it started going all the
way to the 3 on the gauge(Full) and never backing
down, even when I pull up to stop signs and take the
load of the engine...


Precisely what year and model car are you talking about?? You seem to 
have omitted that!


If it's a 123 my answers stand as the direct reading Bourdon gauges 
seldom if ever incorrectly read high. There is NO problem. If it's a 124 
or 201 series car manufactured after 1984 with an electric gauge, the 
gauge CAN incorrectly read high - may even read 3+ bar when the ignition 
key is on (but the engine is not running).


ANY oil pressure between 3 and about 6 bar when driving is FINE. When 
hot, idle pressure MUST remain above 0.5 bar (and 1-2 bar is usual).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[hue wong]

Ya, I think I might have mixed the oil

I had, what I think was a loose oil return tube, off
the bottom of the air intake...  It leaked oil like a
feind, so I started dumping in gas station oil. 
Different makes of oil, and I always try and run
10-30, but am sure I mixed viscosity at some point...

I'm going to flush all the oil out tomorrow and change
the filters and see if that fixes the problem!

Thanks for the help!





--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hue wong wrote:
> > Normal?  really?  It usta bounce around right nice
> > before I put the car in storage  Now it just
> kinda
> > sticks up there at 3.
> > 
> > Another piece of the puzzle is that I ran
> non-desiel
> > rate oil for about 500-600 miles.  Could that be
> > gumming it up?
> 
> Approved oil of the proper viscosity should cause
> the needle to peg when 
> the engine is started cold - and may remain pegged
> until the engine has 
> run for 5-15 minutes. Then the needle usually will
> drop to between 1 and 
> 2 bar at hot warm idle. If oil viscosity becomes too
> high (because you 
> are using an unsuitable oil, oil additive or the oil
> is contaminated in 
> some way), the needle may read high. Simply change
> to an approved oil 
> type and viscosity. If oil pressure get too high
> (above about 6 bar) 
> there are relief valves in the filter housing and
> the pump housing that 
> will open and prevent any problem.
> 
> Only problem with running a non-diesel rated oil
> (now that fuel sulfur 
> has been reduced to less than 0.05%)) is that it
> will not handle soot as 
> well and will require changing somewhat sooner.
> Changed at 500-1000 
> miles, NO problem (if the viscosity rating was
> appropriate).
> 
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

hue wong wrote:

Normal?  really?  It usta bounce around right nice
before I put the car in storage  Now it just kinda
sticks up there at 3.

Another piece of the puzzle is that I ran non-desiel
rate oil for about 500-600 miles.  Could that be
gumming it up?


Approved oil of the proper viscosity should cause the needle to peg when 
the engine is started cold - and may remain pegged until the engine has 
run for 5-15 minutes. Then the needle usually will drop to between 1 and 
2 bar at hot warm idle. If oil viscosity becomes too high (because you 
are using an unsuitable oil, oil additive or the oil is contaminated in 
some way), the needle may read high. Simply change to an approved oil 
type and viscosity. If oil pressure get too high (above about 6 bar) 
there are relief valves in the filter housing and the pump housing that 
will open and prevent any problem.


Only problem with running a non-diesel rated oil (now that fuel sulfur 
has been reduced to less than 0.05%)) is that it will not handle soot as 
well and will require changing somewhat sooner. Changed at 500-1000 
miles, NO problem (if the viscosity rating was appropriate).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[hue wong]

So to clarify as I didn't quite say it right


When I say warms up... I mean HOT, like after about
50-60 miles. and even then it would not always
drop down after that  

I seem to remember that the gauge would start
bounceing around, just after a few minutes when I
first got the car, then right before I put it in to
storage about six months ago, it started going all the
way to the 3 on the gauge(Full) and never backing
down, even when I pull up to stop signs and take the
load of the engine...





--- Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hue wong wrote:
> > I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
> > missed it and can't find it in the archives...
> > 
> > 
> > So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge
> pegs
> > at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???)   Then
> it
> > doesn't go down when I let off the "gas" and let
> the
> > motor idle
> > 
> > I seem to think that it starts moving about after
> it
> > warms up...( the car has sat for the last few
> months)
> > But I want to make sure I'm not running it this
> way
> > and it could cause damage!
> > 
> > Any thoughts? 
> 
> THAT'S exactly what it should do.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the
> self-leveling
> > suspensions?  I just read a reference to it in the
> > Chilton’s manual.  I thought they ran straight
> > shocks...
> 
> ALL the 123 and 124 wagons have self leveling
> suspension.
> 
> Marshall
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[Marshall Booth]

hue wong wrote:

I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
missed it and can't find it in the archives...


So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge pegs
at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???)   Then it
doesn't go down when I let off the "gas" and let the
motor idle

I seem to think that it starts moving about after it
warms up...( the car has sat for the last few months)
But I want to make sure I'm not running it this way
and it could cause damage!

Any thoughts? 


THAT'S exactly what it should do.




Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the self-leveling
suspensions?  I just read a reference to it in the
Chilton’s manual.  I thought they ran straight
shocks...


ALL the 123 and 124 wagons have self leveling suspension.

Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[hue wong]

Normal?  really?  It usta bounce around right nice
before I put the car in storage  Now it just kinda
sticks up there at 3.

Another piece of the puzzle is that I ran non-desiel
rate oil for about 500-600 miles.  Could that be
gumming it up?



--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think the technical term for this is NORMAL. 
> 
> On 8/27/05, hue wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
> > missed it and can't find it in the archives...
> > 
> > 
> > So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge
> pegs
> > at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???) Then it
> > doesn't go down when I let off the "gas" and let
> the
> > motor idle
> > 
> > I seem to think that it starts moving about after
> it
> > warms up...( the car has sat for the last few
> months)
> > But I want to make sure I'm not running it this
> way
> > and it could cause damage!
> > 
> > Any thoughts? Clogged line somewhere?
> > 
> > 
> > Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the
> self-leveling
> > suspensions? I just read a reference to it in the
> > Chilton's manual. I thought they ran straight
> > shocks...
> > 
> > Anyway, Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[LT Don]

I think the technical term for this is NORMAL. 

On 8/27/05, hue wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
> missed it and can't find it in the archives...
> 
> 
> So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge pegs
> at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???) Then it
> doesn't go down when I let off the "gas" and let the
> motor idle
> 
> I seem to think that it starts moving about after it
> warms up...( the car has sat for the last few months)
> But I want to make sure I'm not running it this way
> and it could cause damage!
> 
> Any thoughts? Clogged line somewhere?
> 
> 
> Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the self-leveling
> suspensions? I just read a reference to it in the
> Chilton's manual. I thought they ran straight
> shocks...
> 
> Anyway, Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Oli Pressure gauge reads high, dosen't move!

[hue wong]

I remember this popped up a few weeks ago, but I
missed it and can't find it in the archives...


So when my 300td fires up, the oil pressure gauge pegs
at the 3 setting on the gauge (milibar???)   Then it
doesn't go down when I let off the "gas" and let the
motor idle

I seem to think that it starts moving about after it
warms up...( the car has sat for the last few months)
But I want to make sure I'm not running it this way
and it could cause damage!

Any thoughts?  Clogged line somewhere?


Also, do these 2300td's (84) have the self-leveling
suspensions?  I just read a reference to it in the
Chilton’s manual.  I thought they ran straight
shocks...

Anyway, Thanks in advance.





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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[redghost]

Well that would lead to a very dry day in the mercedes list.  I think 
other than the gun thread, we have six postings.


The rest of you get off your duff, unless you are hiding from the 
hurricane, and write


On Saturday, August 27, 2005, at 06:52 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:


Is anybody else tired of deleting this "gun post" thread

Chuck
On Aug 27, 2005, at 6:49 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:


federal
hydrashok
230grain


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

i don't go to banned anymore

At 09:55 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is anybody else tired of deleting this "gun post" thread

YEAH

I thought this is what Banned was for?

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

I sure am!  damn gun nuts


At 09:52 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

Is anybody else tired of deleting this "gun post" thread

Chuck
On Aug 27, 2005, at 6:49 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:

> federal
> hydrashok
> 230grain

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Re: [MBZ] 70.905.00.20.9 AC switch

[redghost]

I have a spare if you need it.

Push me down the stairs or not

On Saturday, August 27, 2005, at 06:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yeah, thanks.
 
Reminds me of a saying.
 
stupid people are like slinkies. Useless, but still puts a smile on 
your face when you push them down stairs

 
;)
 
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Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test

[Marshall Booth]

Harry  M. wrote:
Since there is a thread here on oil I was curious to ask if anyone has used Mobil 1 and had problems with leaks prior to using? Question is does it leak more or less after switching ? 


Depends! If a hole is partially or entirely blocked by engine sludge, 
then changing to a Mobil synthetic will likely cause the engine to lead 
MORE (this is rare). You probably REALLY don't want to own most such an 
engine however! Such an engine has been abused. If the leak is from a 
slightly shrunken seal however, changing to Mobil synthetics will 
usually reduce or even stop the leak as they have incorporated an 
effective seal treatment into the additive package. This was NOT the 
case many years ago when Mobil first introduced synthetics and the 
switch from conventional oil of Mobil 1 allowed the seals to shrink. 
That has NOT been a problem in at least a decade (maybe longer).


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

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> Is anybody else tired of deleting this "gun post" thread

YEAH

I thought this is what Banned was for?

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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[Chuck Landenberger]

Is anybody else tired of deleting this "gun post" thread

Chuck
On Aug 27, 2005, at 6:49 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:


federal
hydrashok
230grain

Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

yeah, i regret getting the glock instead of a sig for my .40

At 06:19 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

My sig .40 is my favorite, even my wife can handle it


Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
>Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.
>
>--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The 7.65 Walther PPK is 32 Auto -- --
>>
>> On 8/27/05, Harry  M.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
>> to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
>> he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
>> >
>> >
>> > Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >JabbaHursty wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> can you believe that bond carried a .32?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

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one of the deadliest and very reasonably priced


At 06:16 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

Thats cause he didn't know to use a .45 hollowpoint. Works everytime


Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>when putting down cows, you;re supposed to use a .22
>between the eyes and above a bit. My freind throught
>he'd be smart and use a .45. Cow fell down and got
>back up and stared at him. Used a .22, down it went,
>and down it stayed.
>
>.45 round is SLOW.
>
>Christopher
>
>--- JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> 9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>>
>>
>> At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
>> >Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side
>> arm and a nickel
>> >plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm.  The .45
>> was mostly on the
>> >outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to
>> stay centered for most
>> >of the clip.  Then again, if there were a bear
>> getting within 50 yards,
>> >I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I
>> would need is one bullet
>> >to actually make contact.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM,
>> JabbaHursty wrote:
>> >
>> > > ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this
>> shallow --  Kleb has a
>> > > .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull
>> so i can have the
>> > > biggest handgun in the kingdom
>> > >
>> > > pretty sick, huh?
>> > >
>> > > will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of
>> smith & wesson?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

i've had one.  it's ok.  i got rid of it and got 
the glock to be more "mainstream".  the glock is 
no better to shoot and a lot uglier.  i'm just 
hoping it doesn't explode in my hand


the S&W version of the P99 has had a lot of 
troubles, but i think the P99 is a good and vastly underrated gun



At 06:10 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

Pretty sure he carries the 9mm Walther P99 now.
Wouldn;t mind have a .40cal P99.

--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The 7.65 Walther PPK is 32 Auto -- --
>
> On 8/27/05, Harry  M.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
> to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
> he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
> >
> >
> > Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >JabbaHursty wrote:
> > >>
> > >> can you believe that bond carried a .32?
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Frederick wrote:

Snort!

You may not be old enough to remember the "unofficial" test reported by 
a chief engineer at Ford in the early 70's when Mobil first started 
selling Mobil 1.


Seems Mobil had sent for some for engine testing "when they got around 
to it" and it got stashed in the back room.  During an engine endurance 
test (with on the fly oil changes), the engineering department ran 
short of the oil being tested and called the chief -- no oil, have to 
cancel the endurance (testing to destruction) test.  He said "use that 
weird stuff Mobil sent us til Monday when we get the right oil" -- and 
all the wear stopped in the engines while the Mobil product was in use 
(it wasn't Mobil one, but an earlier similar formulation.


This convinced the chief engineer that Mobil was onto something, and 
since he had just had a new company car, a fourdoor Continental, 
delivered, he had the Mobil oil put in and "tested" for on the road use 
by NEVER changing it -- new filter every 10,000 miles and level 
maintained only.


At about 125,000 miles he stared to get nervous and had the engine torn 
down, to discover essentiall NO wear -- most parts were 
indisinguishable from new.  Remember, this was about 1966 or so, when 
both oil and gasoline weren't anywhere near what they are now.


The article was in Popular Mechanics or a similar magazine I read in 
High School -- I graduated in 1974.


Mobil 1 and similar synthetic oils are vastly better lubricants than 
mineral based oils (and are required for use in jet engines -- Amsoil 
started out as re-packaged military spec oil for jet engines -- in 
fact, using mineral oil in a jet engine will quickly kill it from 
sludge buildup.


The only drawback is cost, and if you run synthetic oil 6000 miles 
between changes rather than 3000 for dino, even that disadvantage goes 
away.  Note that dino oil , of any type, should NOT be run more than 
3000 miles between changes.  By that milage it is usually saturated 
with water, the detergent qualities are starting to decline, and the 
viscosity will start to change.  All borne out by both oil analysis 
(try it, you'll see) and both my personal and other people's results -- 
we ran a 1992 Chevy box van, V6 engine, for 325,000 miles without ANY 
engine work other than a water pump or two by changing the oil at 
Speedy Oiler every 3000 miles.  Not the hardiest engine, by far, and it 
eventually got so low on compression it wouldn't start at all without 
ether, but hey, 300,000 miles on detroit iron!


A friend of mine has a Chevy Blazer of similar vintage and 250,000 
miles, still runs fine with a bit of blue smoke on startup (valve 
guides probably), has always changed the oil every 3000 miles.


Peter


Changing oil at 3kmi intervals is USUALLY very safe, but can be VERY 
wasteful. There is NOTHING wrong with Delo 400 or other group II oils 
(usually with VERY advanced additive packages) running considerably 
longer than 3kmi, but you can't count on how much longer it will last 
without testing. Few group I oils (that MUST use considerable quantities 
viscosity improvers to meet multigrade specifications) will last much 
longer than 3kmi because the VIs will breakdown and that's what results 
in MOST sludge and causes oil consumption to increase after a few kmi. 
It's seldom the base oil that breaks down. Most group III synthetics 
(like Rotella, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Quaker State, etc. synthetics) will 
last somewhere between conventional oil and the Group IV & V synthetics 
- the actual life usually depends on the amount and type of VI used. One 
reason why most Group IV and V synthetic oils last longer or MUCH longer 
is because they use fewer or NO VIs.


A car that is exclusively highway driven MAY permit the change interval 
to be extended 2-3X or even more, but it depends on a LOT of factors 
that many people are unwilling/unable to keep track of.


Unless the engine reaches optimal temperature and remains at that temp 
for 10-15 minutes or more each time it's started, water and some other 
combustion by-products will NOT be boiled off so the oil will need to be 
changed more frequently.


Operation in very cold, wet or dusty conditions require MORE frequent 
oil changes.


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Re: [MBZ] 70.905.00.20.9 AC switch

[72benz250]

Yeah, thanks.

Reminds me of a saying.

stupid people are like slinkies. Useless, but still puts a smile on your face 
when you push them down stairs 

;)

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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

walther P99 in 9mm


At 06:09 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

But now believe it or not he carries a Heckler&Koch 9mm


Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>You are correct. Bond nearly got killed and M referred
>to it (.25 ACP), as an Italian ladies gun. Then he got
>the PPK. I have a PPK/S in 9mmKurz and I REALLY REALLY
>like it. Very easy to point and shoot (and hit the
>target) quick follow up shots. EASY to conceal.
>Stainless steel that WILL NOT rust. And it is
>essentially a PPK whose design goes back to 1931. It
>appeals to me for a thousand reasons. Awesome gun.
>
>Christopher
>
>--- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> JabbaHursty wrote:
>> >
>> > can you believe that bond carried a .32?
>>
>> In the books, M confiscated his Beretta (I think it
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>> I think he had to do it more than once, James liked
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

it's referred to as 7.62MM though in the movies, so it would have to be a .32


At 06:02 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

NOPE. It was a .25 ACP Beretta that was replaced with
a 9mmKurz/.380 (same thing) PPK. Sure of it.

Christopher

--- Harry  M.) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear
> to it, but I remember it being a .380 beretta then
> he had the 7.62 Walther PPK
>
>
> Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >JabbaHursty wrote:
> >>
> >> can you believe that bond carried a .32?
> >
> >In the books, M confiscated his Beretta (I think it
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> >I think he had to do it more than once, James liked
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Re: [MBZ] mobile-1 1800 mile test

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The answer of course is it depends.

This is the way it was explained to me. Using dino oil for 10-20-30 years 
leaves behind sludge. The sludge froms in front of mating serfaces and allowes 
gaskets to dry out. 

It used to be adding synthetic, that had so many more "cleaners" and was more 
fuild would clean out the sludge, and since the gasket was dried out, would 
seap through and show up as a leak.

Mobile-1, and others, have "fixed" the situation, by adding "gasket 
rejouvanators" that "rehydrate" gaskets. Some have noticed that oils leaks 
going away after adding synthetics.

Now if you don't have leaks, and sludge is blocking off a large leak then you 
may notice a new leak..

Good luck.

George

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> Since there is a thread here on oil I was curious to ask if anyone has used 
> Mobil 1 and had problems with leaks prior to using? Question is does it leak 
> more or less after switching ? 
> 
> 
> Peter Frederick wrote: 
> 
> >Snort! 
> > 
> >You may not be old enough to remember the "unofficial" test reported by 
> >a chief engineer at Ford in the early 70's when Mobil first started 
> >selling Mobil 1. 
> > 
> >Seems Mobil had sent for some for engine testing "when they got around 
> >to it" and it got stashed in the back room. During an engine endurance 
> >test (with on the fly oil changes), the engineering department ran 
> >short of the oil being tested and called the chief -- no oil, have to 
> >cancel the endurance (testing to destruction) test. He said "use that 
> >weird stuff Mobil sent us til Monday when we get the right oil" -- and 
> >all the wear stopped in the engines while the Mobil product was in use 
> >(it wasn't Mobil one, but an earlier similar formulation. 
> > 
> >This convinced the chief engineer that Mobil was onto something, and 
> >since he had just had a new company car, a fourdoor Continental, 
> >delivered, he had the Mobil oil put in and "tested" for on the road use 
> >by NEVER changing it -- new filter every 10,000 miles and level 
> >maintained only. 
> > 
> >At about 125,000 miles he stared to get nervous and had the engine torn 
> >down, to discover essentiall NO wear -- most parts were 
> >indisinguishable from new. Remember, this was about 1966 or so, when 
> >both oil and gasoline weren't anywhere near what they are now. 
> > 
> >The article was in Popular Mechanics or a similar magazine I read in 
> >High School -- I graduated in 1974. 
> > 
> >Mobil 1 and similar synthetic oils are vastly better lubricants than 
> >mineral based oils (and are required for use in jet engines -- Amsoil 
> >started out as re-packaged military spec oil for jet engines -- in 
> >fact, using mineral oil in a jet engine will quickly kill it from 
> >sludge buildup. 
> > 
> >The only drawback is cost, and if you run synthetic oil 6000 miles 
> >between changes rather than 3000 for dino, even that disadvantage goes 
> >away. Note that dino oil , of any type, should NOT be run more than 
> >3000 miles between changes. By that milage it is usually saturated 
> >with water, the detergent qualities are starting to decline, and the 
> >viscosity will start to change. All borne out by both oil analysis 
> >(try it, you'll see) and both my personal and other people's results -- 
> >we ran a 1992 Chevy box van, V6 engine, for 325,000 miles without ANY 
> >engine work other than a water pump or two by changing the oil at 
> >Speedy Oiler every 3000 miles. Not the hardiest engine, by far, and it 
> >eventually got so low on compression it wouldn't start at all without 
> >ether, but hey, 300,000 miles on detroit iron! 
> > 
> >A friend of mine has a Chevy Blazer of similar vintage and 250,000 
> >miles, still runs fine with a bit of blue smoke on startup (valve 
> >guides probably), has always changed the oil every 3000 miles. 
> > 
> >Peter 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

i also have the little keltec .380, but wouldn't 
ever consider that to be anything more than 
something to just keep clipped on your pants 
because something is better than nothing



At 05:56 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

expected this post to come from Andrew!

Christopher

P.S. So what about guys, like me and OK Don, who carry
little guns...???

--- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Probably means impotent - I heard one time that guys
> who carry a big gun are
> making up for a deficiency elsewhere.
>
>
> Thanks,
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> "Impotant" - does that mean important or impotent?
>
> Or is it some sort of fun new hybrid?
>
> On 8/27/05, JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > exactly.  which means i have the biggest gun in
> the kingdom.  which
> > makes me impotant
> >
> >
> > At 07:54 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
> > >JabbaHursty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this
> shallow --  Kleb has
> > > > a
> > > > .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454
> casull so i can have the
> > > > biggest handgun in the kingdom
> > > >
> > > > pretty sick, huh?
> > >
> > >Wimps. Try a 45-70 government or 445 supermag.
> ;-) Actually, I've
> > >been getting ready to order some extra barrels
> and might get a 500
> > >S&W, but probably not.
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

and the .45 is for serious guys while the 9 is a eurochic pellet gun, right?


At 05:12 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

Force is mass*acceleration, kinetic energy is 1/2 * mv^2.

Sorry, too much engineering for me to let that go.

On 8/27/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
> Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher velocity
> than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm simply has more
> stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.
>
> .44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but 
it also has

> PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some sort of recoil
> reducing device.
>
>
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
> From: JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>
>
>
>  
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

230 grain federal hydrashok .45ACP is what I'm betting on.


At 04:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
Higher velocity maybe, but if you need to use one in self defense 
they are totally worthless. I totally refused to carry the M9 and 
went with the M23 sig in .40 You run into someone messed up on drugs 
and the only thing a 9mm is going to do is p*ss them off. Two .45s 
slugs to the chest is going to knock them on their a$$



Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
>Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm 
simply has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.

>
>.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but 
it also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some 
sort of recoil reducing device.

>
>
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
>From: JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)
>To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

i can't  really fully grasp why the military changed from such a 
completely proven and effective weapon as the 1911.  i'm told it was 
cost savings.  i also suspect that the influx of women into the 
military also has something to do with it (not that a woman could not 
be trained in the use of the 1911 as well as a man could be, but the 
9 is more comfortable to shoot)


also of interest is that units allowed to choose their own weapon do 
not choose 9s.  outside of NYPD, i can't think of any major force in 
law enforcement using 9mm.   i suppose the FBI is simply 
arithmetically challenged as well


At 04:30 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
I have to agree with you there Gary, I was in the army in the 80's 
when they switched to the M9 Beretta from the M1911 45. The only 
good thing about the M9 was capacity and weight. No knock down power 
and random problems with broken slides and jamming.  You get hit by 
a .45 slug, you darn well knew it.


JabbaHursty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans
>
>
>At 10:51 PM 8/26/2005, you wrote:
>>Having tried to hit stuff with both a .45 Colt side arm and a nickel
>>plate Hadji 9mm, I much prefer the 9mm.  The .45 was mostly on the
>>outside of the target, while the 9mm was able to stay centered for most
>>of the clip.  Then again, if there were a bear getting within 50 yards,
>>I think I would much prefer the colt, as all I would need is one bullet
>>to actually make contact.
>>
>>
>>On Friday, August 26, 2005, at 04:29 PM, JabbaHursty wrote:
>>
>> > ok, it will be hard to believe, but i am this shallow --  Kleb has a
>> > .44 magnum, so i went out and got a .454 casull so i can have the
>> > biggest handgun in the kingdom
>> >
>> > pretty sick, huh?
>> >
>> > will kleb now have to respond with 50 calibre of smith & wesson?
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

it's an endless source of debate, but there seems more to it than 
calculating simple force


 i tend to be in the big and slow camp.  230grain hollowpoint .45 
ACP is my choice for carry.  in terms of a defensive handgun, my 
thought is .45 ACP or .357 magnum


i just got the casull to be stupid.  i do intend to get proficient 
with it though, but i don't imagine it will ever be a practical 
defensive weapon




At 04:27 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:


The .45 is like the lottery, a tax on people who are bad at math.
Force is mass times the square of velocity. The 9mm is MUCH higher 
velocity than the .45 with insignificantly less mass. The 9mm simply 
has more stopping power with less recoil and weight than the .45.


.44 Mag has PLENTY of stopping power, more than the .50 IIRC but it 
also has PLENTY of recoil unless you've got a heavy gun or some sort 
of recoil reducing device.




-Curt

Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:04:54 -0400
From: JabbaHursty 
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9mm is for euro girlie men.  .45 for real americans


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Re: [MBZ] gun post (car only guys delete)

[JabbaHursty]

he started with a .25 beretta and then went to 7.62.  7.62mm is .32 
ACP.  .380 is 9mm, but shorter than the more popular 9mm luger




At 04:20 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:
you sure it was a .32 and not a .380 ? won't swear to it, but I 
remember it being a .380 beretta then he had the 7.62 Walther PPK



Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>JabbaHursty wrote:
>>
>> can you believe that bond carried a .32?
>
>In the books, M confiscated his Beretta (I think it was .25ACP) 
and gave him a PPK.
>I think he had to do it more than once, James liked those little 
Italian things.

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Re: [MBZ] Mexico Mobil 1

[JabbaHursty]

as i say, we'll soon all have to move to mexico for the higher 
standard of living



At 03:42 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote:

hola amigos
Ghetto Mart ( wally world) in Guadalajara Mexico Mobil 1 for 90 
pesos a quart, about 85 cents.
Cheaper than some of Quaker State, Shell, and Castrol brands on the 
same shelf.

Adios, until I stir the pot again.

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[MBZ] OT intelligent design

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr.]

I am with you on the Flying Spaghetti monster theory. Cool.

Dwight Giles, Jr.
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Wickford RI
 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

I finally got to look at the brake lights - the third brake light in
the rear window is burnt out!
When the car comes back I'll change it and see if the bomb warning turns
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Re: [MBZ] Dead bulb light - 126

[OK Don]

I finally got to look at the brake lights - the third brake light in
the rear window is burnt out!
When the car comes back I'll change it and see if the bomb warning turns off.

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