Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 5, Issue 30

[BillR]

Thanks Dave, I'll try that if I get to make the trip to NH this Winter.
BillR
Jacksonville
1981 300SD the EM  365K / told and engine has been found - from an employee
of Potomac German
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:19:47 -0400
From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hurricane snow ties
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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If you mix the kitty liter or play box sand with rock salt, and put it back
in the bags and duct-tape them shut, you will have a mix that gives you
weight, traction, melts ice, and won't freeze into a solid brick when you
need it most - even if it gets wet.

-Dave Walton

Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[Christopher McCann]

Lt. Don is full of doom and gloom! In twenty years -
if Lt. Don is still around :-) - we'll revisit this
issue.

Chris

--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have two words for Chris, who has multiple
> nightmares ahead of him.
> 
> (1) PROM (2) NIGHT.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> On 10/5/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Why, yes it does! My teenager doesn't mind the
> back of the SDL at all
> > - lots of room to slouch, stretch, squirm,
> whatever else he does back
> > there!
> > I am getting tired of hauling all that air back
> and forth to work
> > every day, so am looking for that great steal on a
> 124 or 201. I might
> > even get by with pulling what you just did, and
> get the wife in the
> > SDL, and sell the van ('97 Ply. grand Voyager,
> 3.3) before it goes
> > belly up.
> >
> > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 300SD has plenty of room...SDL has a rediculous
> amount
> > > of room...doesn't it OK Don?
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
> > '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC
> > The FSM created the Diesel Benz
> > http://www.venganza.org/
> >
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> 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
> 
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
pre-chambers, etc.)




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[MBZ] cheap MOG in IN

[Mitch Haley]

Nice looking 1973 406 diesel moggie for $7500, that's cheap, right?
http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetail&adname=6-33568

Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Tom Hargrave]

Great gasser theory but if really true then your gasser would be belching
unburned gas fumes.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John M McIntosh
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:32 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?


There was
On 5-Oct-05, at 7:34 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:

> A properly running diesel is VERY efficient.

There was some discussion of that in the mercedes shop magazine a few
issues back if I may paraphrase as compared to gassers, it was
interesting
because of the concepts we take for granted.

a) Gassers fill the cylinder with fuel/air, you compress and ignite
the mixture with one or more spark plugs, because of how
the explosive wave form travels it usually leaves unburned fuel at
the outer edges of the "cold" cylinder wall, so you never consume all
the fuel.
Diesels on the other hand inject fuel into hot air, the fuel explodes
consuming all the fuel since the fuel usually does not reach a cold
spot in the cylinder before igniting.

b) Gassers require vacuum to pull fuel air/mixture into cylinder, and
provide the ventura effect for carburettors, a side effect of this is
engine braking on hills and manifold vacuum to drive door locks.
However pulling a vacuum by the pistons actually requires lots of
energy, so you consume more gas to produce the manifold vacuum,
perhaps lots more energy than a vacuum pump. I realize that fuel
injection and turbo gassers change this equation, still air volume
and gasoline is varied resulting in manifold vacuum on most gassers.
Diesel don't have this problem, so less energy required to idle since
the engine is not spending energy being a huge vacuum pump.

c) Diesel fuel by volume has lots more energy than gas, so less is
needed to do a given amount of work.

John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)



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[MBZ] afterglow controller.

[John M McIntosh]

Somewhere I have it written down the afterglow control for my 83  
300TDt would be

Bosch 0 281 003 096 and perhaps the MB part number is 025 545 5432

anyone know if that is correct?

With winter coming on, I thought I would move to the afterglow  
controller and I plan to visit
a junk yard or two and see if I get lucky with the few diesels lying  
about. However having confirmation
on the part numbers is best before I pull and pay for something.  
Assuming anything is there, besides I'm
sure I could find some other part for the fleet in any case, also  
it's an excuse to poke about...


PS Yes all my glow plugs are post glow bosch.

John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

[MBZ] Jug of soy.

[Wilton Strickland]

2% tax on food soy in NC.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[Lee Levitt]

Dave writes:
> 
> I thin with Diesel or Kerosene. You will have to play with 
> the percentages yourself. A lot depends on the type and 
> condition of the waste oil. I just dump in all in the tank. I 
> don't premix. You have to thin more was it gets colder.
> 

Wait a minute. You just take the waste oil and pour it into the fuel tank?

I thought you had to go through some processing before it was usable.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[LT Don]

I have two words for Chris, who has multiple nightmares ahead of him.

(1) PROM (2) NIGHT.

Don


On 10/5/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why, yes it does! My teenager doesn't mind the back of the SDL at all
> - lots of room to slouch, stretch, squirm, whatever else he does back
> there!
> I am getting tired of hauling all that air back and forth to work
> every day, so am looking for that great steal on a 124 or 201. I might
> even get by with pulling what you just did, and get the wife in the
> SDL, and sell the van ('97 Ply. grand Voyager, 3.3) before it goes
> belly up.
>
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 300SD has plenty of room...SDL has a rediculous amount
> > of room...doesn't it OK Don?
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC
> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
> http://www.venganza.org/
>
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1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[OK Don]

Why, yes it does!  My teenager doesn't mind the back of the SDL at all
- lots of room to slouch, stretch, squirm, whatever else he does back
there!
I am getting tired of hauling all that air back and forth to work
every day, so am looking for that great steal on a 124 or 201. I might
even get by with pulling what you just did, and get the wife in the
SDL, and sell the van ('97 Ply. grand Voyager, 3.3) before it goes
belly up.

On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 300SD has plenty of room...SDL has a rediculous amount
> of room...doesn't it OK Don?
>
> Chris
>

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] positive pressure system (was Jug of soy)

[OK Don]

It's been a long time since I messed with DE and pool filters, but
what I remember was mixing the DE in water to form a slurry, then
pouring that into the filter. The DE got plastered onto the filter
substrate and acted as the filtering media.
Do you mix the De in oil, water, or just dump it into the filter housing?

I like your solution - just trying to figure out the details --

On 10/5/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The important elements are 10" home water filters and a procon vane
> pump pulled off a carbonator. I use standard filter elements as a
> structure to hold diatamaceous earth. The DE is my main filter
> material. I run at 120 psi give or take. I've played with cascading
> serial and parallel filters. Make sure you add an extra 1 micron
> filter at the end to catch any DE that gets by the others. It is
> extremely abrasive. Each time you start filtering, let the system run
> for a few minutes before you start collecting the output. Same goes
> for when you change filters. I like using the DE because the water
> filters that hold it never get dirty. Once they load up, you pull the
> element, squeeze off the gunk and start over. DE is dirt cheap and
> available at any pool or spa store.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dave,
> >
> > Please describe your filtering system.
> >
> > Thanks, Chris
> >
> > --- dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but to be safe, carry an extra fuel filter and
> > > tools to swap it
> > > just in case.
> > > We've gone 3 years and over 40K miles on thinned WVO
> > > in my wife's 99
> > > E300 without changing the fuel filter, but I am
> > > quite anal-retentive
> > > about filtering the oil. With a positive pressure
> > > system you can
> > > easily go < 1 micron.
> > >
> > > -Dave Walton
> > >
> > > On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the
> > > vegi-diesel thing so far...but today i noticed about
> > > 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch place
> > > (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready
> > > to use in my '86 sdl?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there.
> > > In PA
> > > > > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or
> > > clothes).
> > > > > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > > > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh
> > > well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84
> > > per
> > > > > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --mf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton
> > > Strickland wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wilton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> > > Missouri
> > > > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> > > > > >
> > >
> > http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen"
> > > (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > > > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
> > > Vehicle) running
> > > > > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not
> > > attempt this unless you are willing
> > > > > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van"
> > > - FOR SALE $6500 (and
> > > > > > that's a good deal).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[Christopher McCann]

300SD has plenty of room...SDL has a rediculous amount
of room...doesn't it OK Don?

Chris

--- LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am hoping to dump the Buick (probably give it to
> Megan for college use,
> maybe as a highs school graduation present) and get
> Debbie a diesel S-Class
> in the spring. I think a 190D would be a better
> choice, but one the wife is
> used to the "arm room" of a Buick it is difficult
> for her to downsize to the
> C-Class size.
> 
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > sold the Sienna for $6500. Bought the 300TDt
> (1987)
> > for $6,000...with taxes, plates, inspection came
> to
> > $6,519 total. Lost $19 bucks on the deal. I'm
> happy.
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> Missouri
> > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> >
>
http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red
> Riding Hood)
> > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen
> Kraftstoffs
> > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
> running
> > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt
> this unless you are willing
> > to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers,
> etc.)
> >
> >
> >

Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
pre-chambers, etc.)




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Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[Christopher McCann]

P.S. the main selling point for her (aside from
possibility of VO) was that THIS car (TDt) "is not
pokey like your other diesels"...indeed, it is NOT
pokey.

Chris (with little wife who drives a fast wagon)

--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very good! And the Mrs., is she happy also ???
> 
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > sold the Sienna for $6500. Bought the 300TDt
> (1987)
> > for $6,000...with taxes, plates, inspection came
> to
> > $6,519 total. Lost $19 bucks on the deal. I'm
> happy.
> > :-)
> >
> 
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
> http://www.venganza.org/
> 
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
pre-chambers, etc.)



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Re: [MBZ] positive pressure system (was Jug of soy)

[dave walton]

The important elements are 10" home water filters and a procon vane
pump pulled off a carbonator. I use standard filter elements as a
structure to hold diatamaceous earth. The DE is my main filter
material. I run at 120 psi give or take. I've played with cascading
serial and parallel filters. Make sure you add an extra 1 micron
filter at the end to catch any DE that gets by the others. It is
extremely abrasive. Each time you start filtering, let the system run
for a few minutes before you start collecting the output. Same goes
for when you change filters. I like using the DE because the water
filters that hold it never get dirty. Once they load up, you pull the
element, squeeze off the gunk and start over. DE is dirt cheap and
available at any pool or spa store.

-Dave Walton

On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Please describe your filtering system.
>
> Thanks, Chris
>
> --- dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but to be safe, carry an extra fuel filter and
> > tools to swap it
> > just in case.
> > We've gone 3 years and over 40K miles on thinned WVO
> > in my wife's 99
> > E300 without changing the fuel filter, but I am
> > quite anal-retentive
> > about filtering the oil. With a positive pressure
> > system you can
> > easily go < 1 micron.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the
> > vegi-diesel thing so far...but today i noticed about
> > 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch place
> > (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready
> > to use in my '86 sdl?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> > > >
> > > > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there.
> > In PA
> > > > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or
> > clothes).
> > > > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh
> > well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84
> > per
> > > > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --mf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton
> > Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wilton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> > Missouri
> > > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> > > > >
> >
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen"
> > (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
> > Vehicle) running
> > > > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not
> > attempt this unless you are willing
> > > > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > > > >
> > > > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van"
> > - FOR SALE $6500 (and
> > > > > that's a good deal).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[LT Don]

I am hoping to dump the Buick (probably give it to Megan for college use,
maybe as a highs school graduation present) and get Debbie a diesel S-Class
in the spring. I think a 190D would be a better choice, but one the wife is
used to the "arm room" of a Buick it is difficult for her to downsize to the
C-Class size.

On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> sold the Sienna for $6500. Bought the 300TDt (1987)
> for $6,000...with taxes, plates, inspection came to
> $6,519 total. Lost $19 bucks on the deal. I'm happy.
> :-)
>
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
> WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing
> to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.)
>
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Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[Christopher McCann]

actually, she is. I've been driving it mostly -
working out minor bugs (like clogged sunroof drains,
malfunctioning rear locks, etc) so she has warmed up
to the SD in the mean time (now that the van is gone).
Also, the dealership has had it all week doing the
trap recall - whole new exhaust system and they check
turbo boost - should be done tomorrow or Friday.

A sure sign of interest was when she called me today
to ask if the oil pressure should be statying at 3
while driving (the SD, which she was afraid of b4 -
too much hood). I explained the whole deal to her and
told her I was happy that she was looking at the
guages and she said, basically, that she wanted to
learn how diesels work since she'll be driving one. If
you knew my wife (who expresses interest in crossword
puzzles only), this is a VERY good sign.

It really was her choice. I looked it over and told
her if she wanted it, I'd buy it. She wants her car
converted to VO first, which I agreed to. She looks
cool in a 124 wagon. Should post a pic sometime.

Chris

--- OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Very good! And the Mrs., is she happy also ???
> 
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > sold the Sienna for $6500. Bought the 300TDt
> (1987)
> > for $6,000...with taxes, plates, inspection came
> to
> > $6,519 total. Lost $19 bucks on the deal. I'm
> happy.
> > :-)
> >
> 
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel

[Marshall Booth]

Tarek Elshenawy wrote:

Hello all. I was wondering if I can run B20 in my '77 240D and '87 300SDL
without any modifications. Is this possible? Thanks in advance.

Tarek


B20 (or B10 or B5)rarely causes any problem, but there are NO 
guaranties. Higher concentrations often cause more problems.


Marshall
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159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi

Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[dave walton]

I thin with Diesel or Kerosene. You will have to play with the
percentages yourself. A lot depends on the type and condition of the
waste oil. I just dump in all in the tank. I don't premix. You have to
thin more was it gets colder.

-Dave Walton


On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> by thinned wvo, do you mean mixed with diesel that's in the tank?  and how 
> does it work in the cold?
>
>
> > Yes, but to be safe, carry an extra fuel filter and tools to swap it
> > just in case.
> > We've gone 3 years and over 40K miles on thinned WVO in my wife's 99
> > E300 without changing the fuel filter, but I am quite anal-retentive
> > about filtering the oil. With a positive pressure system you can
> > easily go < 1 micron.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the vegi-diesel thing so
> > far...but today i noticed about 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch 
> > place
> > (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready to use in my '86 sdl?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> > > >
> > > > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
> > > > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
> > > > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> > > > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --mf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wilton
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> > > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> > > > > http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
> > > > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are
> > willing
> > > > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > > > >
> > > > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 
> > > > > (and
> > > > > that's a good deal).
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Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[Bob Rentfro]

OK Don very wisely asked:

"Very good! And the Mrs., is she happy also ???"

After all, that's all that counts isn't it.
If we (men) would all learn that early on our (men's) lives would be less 
stressful.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 141K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] cool swap

[OK Don]

Very good! And the Mrs., is she happy also ???

On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sold the Sienna for $6500. Bought the 300TDt (1987)
> for $6,000...with taxes, plates, inspection came to
> $6,519 total. Lost $19 bucks on the deal. I'm happy.
> :-)
>

--
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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] CarFax Request...

[Mitch Haley]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
> Do you still have a carfax account?  If so, would appreciate one on
> this 16V VIN..
> 
> WDBDA34DXHF299792

I thought Houston got clobbered by a Hurricane last month.
Find out where it was at Rita time, and how far above sea level.

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel

[OK Don]

Yes. I think, anyway. No one that I've heard about has had the rumored
desolving of rubber fuel lines. The one thing to be aware of is that
BioDiesel is a grat solvent and cleaner - so it will clean all of the
gunk out of your fuel system and deposit it in the fuel filters. I
don't know how much of an effect B20 has, but I'd be prepared to
change them frequently until the system is clean again.
Disclaimer - I can't buy B20 or any BioDiesel here, and haven't
started brewing my own yet, so I'm reporting what I've read --

On 10/5/05, Tarek Elshenawy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all. I was wondering if I can run B20 in my '77 240D and '87 300SDL
> without any modifications. Is this possible? Thanks in advance.
>
> Tarek

--
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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] positive pressure system (was Jug of soy)

[Christopher McCann]

Dave,

Please describe your filtering system.

Thanks, Chris

--- dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, but to be safe, carry an extra fuel filter and
> tools to swap it
> just in case.
> We've gone 3 years and over 40K miles on thinned WVO
> in my wife's 99
> E300 without changing the fuel filter, but I am
> quite anal-retentive
> about filtering the oil. With a positive pressure
> system you can
> easily go < 1 micron.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
> On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the
> vegi-diesel thing so far...but today i noticed about
> 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch place
> (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready
> to use in my '86 sdl?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> > >
> > > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there.
> In PA
> > > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or
> clothes).
> > > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh
> well.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84
> per
> > > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > > >
> > > > > --mf
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton
> Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wilton
> > > > > >
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> > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> Missouri
> > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> > > >
>
http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen"
> (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test
> Vehicle) running
> > > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not
> attempt this unless you are willing
> > > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > > >
> > > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van"
> - FOR SALE $6500 (and
> > > > that's a good deal).
> > > >
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
pre-chambers, etc.)



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[MBZ] CarFax Request...

[Chuck Landenberger]

Kaleb,

Do you still have a carfax account?  If so, would appreciate one on  
this 16V VIN..


WDBDA34DXHF299792

Thanks ...

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Oct 5, 2005, at 10:25 AM, redghost wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101882076.html

Would this be too much to tow behind Gump?


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Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[Christopher McCann]

andrew,

1. ideally, you would heat in a 55 gallon steel drum
to dewater
2. pre-filter through thick denim into another barrel
3. pump (northertool.com - 1/2 or 1/4 hp clear water
pump is $40) into a 
4. GE water filter ($40 at Home Depot) that filters to
5-15 microns. 

In my AKP-Wagen, I simply filter through denim and
dump in tank, but that is playing with fire.

I will soon set up a much better system. Do carry
extra filters. Luther has been running 60% mixes or
so. Someone reported 75-80% mixes with the remainder
being Kero (it's thinner than D2). It will obviously
gel much faster in cold weather than D2.

Chris


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the
> vegi-diesel thing so far...but today i noticed about
> 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch place
> (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready
> to use in my '86 sdl?
> 
> 
> 
> > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> > 
> > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In
> PA
> > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or
> clothes).
> > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh
> well.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84
> per
> > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > >
> > > > --mf
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wilton
> > > > >
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> Missouri
> > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> > >
>
http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen"
> (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
> running
> > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt
> this unless you are willing
> > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > >
> > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" -
> FOR SALE $6500 (and
> > > that's a good deal).
> > >
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
pre-chambers, etc.)



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[MBZ] cool swap

[Christopher McCann]

sold the Sienna for $6500. Bought the 300TDt (1987)
for $6,000...with taxes, plates, inspection came to
$6,519 total. Lost $19 bucks on the deal. I'm happy.
:-)


Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
pre-chambers, etc.)



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Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[Christopher McCann]

signature altered with translation.

Chris

--- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> 
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In
> PA
> > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or
> clothes).
> > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh
> well.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > >
> > > --mf
> > >
> > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
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> running
> > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, 
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Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[jjayj]

by thinned wvo, do you mean mixed with diesel that's in the tank?  and how does 
it work in the cold?


> Yes, but to be safe, carry an extra fuel filter and tools to swap it
> just in case.
> We've gone 3 years and over 40K miles on thinned WVO in my wife's 99
> E300 without changing the fuel filter, but I am quite anal-retentive
> about filtering the oil. With a positive pressure system you can
> easily go < 1 micron.
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
> On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the vegi-diesel thing so 
> far...but today i noticed about 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch 
> place 
> (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready to use in my '86 sdl?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> > >
> > > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
> > > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
> > > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> > > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > > >
> > > > > --mf
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wilton
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> > > > http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
> > > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are 
> willing
> > > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[Christopher McCann]

I won't be doing that, but Rudolf (Diesel) said such a
thing - farmers can grow their own fuel. Oil presses
are not that expensive. His enitre philosophy for the
engine was that by changing the fuel delivery system,
it would run on all sorts of locally available fuels.
WAY ahead of his time. Read a bio of him -
fascinating.

Chris

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> 
> DG
> 
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> > Holy Cats, Chris...with what do you plan to power
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> > So you intend to  run WVO you sent for a spin in
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> > Cool.
> > 
> > Bob Rentfro
> > '77 300D 141K
> > Litchfield Park, AZ
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, 
etc.)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
a good deal).




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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300D

[dave walton]

That a fair price for a nice one. I'd pay more if it had the options I wanted.

-Dave Walton

On 10/5/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101928668.html
>
> Dude wants $18k, it is a "green" car dealership.  I am available to
> look at it, if anybody is at all interested.  I know Earnest is not.
> Maybe Regina needs it
>
>
> --
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> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[dave walton]

Yes, but to be safe, carry an extra fuel filter and tools to swap it
just in case.
We've gone 3 years and over 40K miles on thinned WVO in my wife's 99
E300 without changing the fuel filter, but I am quite anal-retentive
about filtering the oil. With a positive pressure system you can
easily go < 1 micron.

-Dave Walton

On 10/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the vegi-diesel thing so 
> far...but today i noticed about 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch 
> place (vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready to use in my '86 
> sdl?
>
>
>
> > Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> >
> > On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
> > > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
> > > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> > > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > > >
> > > > --mf
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wilton
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> > > http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
> > > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are 
> > > willing
> > > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > >
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> > > that's a good deal).
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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane snow ties

[dave walton]

If you mix the kitty liter or play box sand with rock salt, and put it
back in the bags and duct-tape them shut, you will have a mix that
gives you weight, traction, melts ice, and won't freeze into a solid
brick when you need it most - even if it gets wet.

-Dave Walton


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>
> > As with any area there are good and bad points.
> >
> >
> I'm with you there, Bill. Here's my rant, back at ya:
>
>  During a pretty recent December, we got 54 inches of snow in
> southeastern Wisconsin. That's 54 inches of snow in one month. It was a
> wild blip on the bell curve, to be sure, but the nearest big city
> (Milwaukee) averages about 3 feet of snow in a season. And I'm just on
> the fringe of the serious snow belt. The Great Lakes are a snow-making
> machine in the winter!
>
> I love Wisconsin, but the weather can be ... er, character-building. I
> deal with it. Winter is not all unpleasant -- in fact, it can be great
> fun. Still, there are plenty of occasions when it delivers drudgery by
> the bucketload.
>
> Consider the worst chore you can think of. Now, imagine having a
> chortling heckler lounging nearby on a chaise, sipping a tall drink and
> hooting  while you perform said chore. As I said, winter isn't all bad,
> and most of the ribbing on this list is good-natured -- but when you get
> poked in the ribs 30 or 40 times a season, every season, it gets a
> little old.
>
> On to the subject of the post, sort of:
>
> I have gone many years without snow tires. I've also ended up in the
> ditch more than a time or two. Since I drive a lot at night these days,
> I wouldn't have a car without them in the winter.
>
> As I recall, you posted that you didn't find them necessary, based on
> your winter driving experience (I surmise) some years ago. But modern
> snow tires are a far cry from the old clunkers of the bias-ply days. The
> H-rated tires (like the Nokian NRWs Ned K. and I were singing hosannas
> to awhile back) drive like touring tires and can navigate an unplowed
> road without drama. They've also been extremely durable -- Ned and I
> have both gotten 40,000 miles out of our sets, and they're still
> roadworthy. Other brands that use multicell rubber compounds don't hold
> up as well.
>
> I also recall you mentioning kitty litter as a winter driving aid -- I'm
> not sure if you meant for weight in the trunk or to spread under the
> wheels. If the latter, I'd have to disagree to a point. Once that stuff
> gets saturated with moisture, it's wet clay. I prefer bags of playbox sand.
>
> But then, I have snow tires, so I don't get stuck in the snow!
>
> Russ
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[MBZ] Biodiesel

[Tarek Elshenawy]

Hello all. I was wondering if I can run B20 in my '77 240D and '87 300SDL
without any modifications. Is this possible? Thanks in advance.

Tarek

Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[jjayj]

ok, ok...i wasn't really paying attention to the vegi-diesel thing so far...but 
today i noticed about 6 5-gal pails od used oil behind my lunch place 
(vietnamese)...after straining, is this stuff ready to use in my '86 sdl?



> Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?
> 
> On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
> > you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
> > In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> > precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> > > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> > >
> > > --mf
> > >
> > > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > > >
> > > > Wilton
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> > http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> > Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
> > WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing
> > to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Outback and NZ

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

WTIC...  (with tongue in cheek)...  Is there really an outback in  
NZ???  Maybe Dorothy found it behind the screen in OZ!


But, I was in an "Outback" recently had a wonderful "bloomin'  
onion"..


Keep smilin' and take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Oct 5, 2005, at 12:35 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

The more I hear about life in the outback of NZ or OZ, the more I  
enjoy

city/suburban life.

On 10/4/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




I've seen pictures of those maggots on sheep...totally nasty. Is  
there

also
a parrot type bird out there that burrows into the flesh of sheep



You are thinking of rooks, possibly. They attack sheep and gouge  
out their

eyes. Nothing close to a parrot, tho.

mac


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Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[OK Don]

You need a conversion kit to run SVO (straight vegetable oil) or WVO
(waste vegetable oil) but you do not need to do anything to run
BioDiesel.
You can dilute SVO or WVO to some in fossil Diesel fuel without any conversion.
With the SVO and WVO the devil is in the details - there are many ways
to either supplement fossil Diesel with the oils, or run solely on
them, depending on what you do.
There is next to no risk from using BioDiesel produced to spec.
Homebrew is subject to the quality standards of the brewer -- --

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> I've read some of the comments over time, about biodiesel. Well, I tried out 
> a 2% biodiesel-98% normal #2 at a Shell station on Rte 123 & I-75 (one of the 
> Franklin exits, just south of Dayton, Ohio) and it was expensive... 
> $3.20/gal. I filled it up and have been running fine with it since last 
> Thursday. On Sat, I began to use 5w30 Mobil 1 instead of 15w50, getting ready 
> for winter (I want to see if it will fire up in the parking lot at the end of 
> a day without smoking too badly.) The car seems to have more power and I've 
> used a lot less fuel for roughly the same number of miles as the last tankful.
>
>
>
> How does biodiesel fare during the winter months? Won't it gel a lot faster? 
> If so, there will be a huge boost in anti-gel additive sales. A friend is 
> buying a 1993 300D (2.5L turbo) and wants to use 100% biodiesel in it. Will 
> he have to convert his car over to it? I know of someone else who uses 100% 
> biodiesel in his Benz diesels without conversion and they run fine with no 
> problems. So, who is correct? Are these guys flirting with danger of some 
> sort by using biodiesel without a conversion kit for their cars?
>
>
>
> Thx.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nick Gough
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Re: [MBZ] Was bedeutet das

[Chuck Landenberger]

Andrew,

Guess you missed the thread!

"Little Red Riding Hood"..

Check out http://dictionary.reference.com/translate/text.html

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Oct 5, 2005, at 12:40 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?

On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.

Chris

--- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
gallon. Cheapest diesel
fuel in these parts is $2.97.

--mf

On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:



35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.

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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[John M McIntosh]

There was
On 5-Oct-05, at 7:34 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:


A properly running diesel is VERY efficient.


There was some discussion of that in the mercedes shop magazine a few  
issues back if I may paraphrase as compared to gassers, it was  
interesting

because of the concepts we take for granted.

a) Gassers fill the cylinder with fuel/air, you compress and ignite  
the mixture with one or more spark plugs, because of how
the explosive wave form travels it usually leaves unburned fuel at  
the outer edges of the "cold" cylinder wall, so you never consume all  
the fuel.
Diesels on the other hand inject fuel into hot air, the fuel explodes  
consuming all the fuel since the fuel usually does not reach a cold  
spot in the cylinder before igniting.


b) Gassers require vacuum to pull fuel air/mixture into cylinder, and  
provide the ventura effect for carburettors, a side effect of this is  
engine braking on hills and manifold vacuum to drive door locks.   
However pulling a vacuum by the pistons actually requires lots of  
energy, so you consume more gas to produce the manifold vacuum,  
perhaps lots more energy than a vacuum pump. I realize that fuel  
injection and turbo gassers change this equation, still air volume  
and gasoline is varied resulting in manifold vacuum on most gassers.
Diesel don't have this problem, so less energy required to idle since  
the engine is not spending energy being a huge vacuum pump.


c) Diesel fuel by volume has lots more energy than gas, so less is  
needed to do a given amount of work.


John
1983 300TDt  358k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1992 300TDt  148k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 168k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)

[MBZ] Mac needs more cars

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/102044036.html  -- Chevy not a RAM, 
but a 6.2


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101822290.html  --older Dodge 6.2

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/102018332.html -- Smaller diesel RAM

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101997581.html  --If you are serious 
about hauling cars back Mac


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101947702.html  -- just a 21' trailer

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101649040.html  --for the really 
pretty ones to get back you can use this 20' enclosed


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101376730.html  -- flatbed tow

Oh well, the happy pills kicked in, so no more trailers.  I swear there 
were a few last week.  Will have to keep an eye out for a triple.



--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[dave walton]

Don't assume that diesel anti-gel will work on biodiesel. I spoke with
a Power Research chemist at length a few years ago (the people that
make Pri-D and Pri-Flow) and was told that there are too many
differences between biodiesel and diesel for their stuff to be
effective. They had looked into making a biodiesel additive, but found
that there was too much difference in commercially available Biodiesel
for them to come up with something that always worked. They did offer
to custom blend a Biodiesel or Waste Oil antigel for $15 - $50K, but
warned that changing the feedstock of the biodiesel or the properties
of the Waste Oil would render it less effective and they would not
guarantee the results.
They did say that their Pri-Ocide microbicide would probably work as
well in WVO and Biodiesel as if does for Diesel - as far as killing
mold, spores, and fungus and whatever might try to grow in it.

-Dave Walton

On 10/5/05, Nick Gough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've read some of the comments over time, about biodiesel. Well, I tried out 
> a 2% biodiesel-98% normal #2 at a Shell station on Rte 123 & I-75 (one of the 
> Franklin exits, just south of Dayton, Ohio) and it was expensive... 
> $3.20/gal. I filled it up and have been running fine with it since last 
> Thursday. On Sat, I began to use 5w30 Mobil 1 instead of 15w50, getting ready 
> for winter (I want to see if it will fire up in the parking lot at the end of 
> a day without smoking too badly.) The car seems to have more power and I've 
> used a lot less fuel for roughly the same number of miles as the last tankful.
>
>
>
> How does biodiesel fare during the winter months? Won't it gel a lot faster? 
> If so, there will be a huge boost in anti-gel additive sales. A friend is 
> buying a 1993 300D (2.5L turbo) and wants to use 100% biodiesel in it. Will 
> he have to convert his car over to it? I know of someone else who uses 100% 
> biodiesel in his Benz diesels without conversion and they run fine with no 
> problems. So, who is correct? Are these guys flirting with danger of some 
> sort by using biodiesel without a conversion kit for their cars?
>
>
>
> Thx.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nick Gough
>
> Dayton, Ohio
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bio prices

[Mitch Haley]

dave walton wrote:
> 
> They get a penny per percentage of bio blend if made from virgin Soy
> oil. That drops to 1/2 penny per percentage for bio made from waste
> oil or virgin non-soy.
> Thus a gallon of B20 soy gives them a 20 cent tax credit.
> I guess the soybean farmers have a good lobby...

Yep, I've gotta buy into the theory that biodiesel subsidy is
biased towards soy production. Any sensible subsidy would
be biased towards waste recycling, and would not favor soy over
peanut, canola, corn, etc. 
By the same reasoning, we should not give a bigger tax credit
to somebody who buys a 25 mpg hybrid SUV than somebody who
buys a 50mpg hybrid car. (nor should we subsidize the 50mpg
hybrid car over the 50mpg diesel car)

Re: [MBZ] Diesel price

[andrew strasfogel]

$2.99/gal in NW Washignton, D.C. Chevron station this morning. Y'all come up
north, hear!

On 10/4/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > You need a tank for each product you are dispensing. If you want to add
> > another, you need an extra tank. If they won't let you bury another
> tank,
> > you either drop an existing product or don't add the new product.
>
> Or use an above-ground tank, if you have the real estate. Ever since
> environmental regulations made it expensive to have buried tanks, I've
> been seeing more above ground ones, especially for small-volume fuels
> like kerosene.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 230E euro 5sp in PA

[andrew strasfogel]

It's gone!

 On 10/4/05, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Mitch,
>
> The main problem with M102 motor is that you need to feed it good grade
> fuel
> otherwise it is a bit of a slug. The do a little better with the manual
> box
> but not much.
> The M102 also likes to eat valves every now and then.
> I am also not a great fan of the 124 chassis because of the lack of
> headroom/legroom when compared to the 123.
> I guess Germans stopped wearing hats while driving sometime during the
> 123's
> reign.
>
> Hendrik
> 84 230E auto running on 95 octane
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "mercedes list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 11:11 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] W124 230E euro 5sp in PA
>
>
> > Found this ad, not a common car in these parts
> > http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=190235590
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Re: [MBZ] 1965 Mercedes Diesel Unimog and Aussie Farmers v Petageniuses

[andrew strasfogel]

The more I hear about life in the outback of NZ or OZ, the more I enjoy
city/suburban life.

On 10/4/05, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> I've seen pictures of those maggots on sheep...totally nasty. Is there
> >> also
> >> a parrot type bird out there that burrows into the flesh of sheep
>
> You are thinking of rooks, possibly. They attack sheep and gouge out their
> eyes. Nothing close to a parrot, tho.
>
> mac
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Re: [MBZ] Bio prices

[dave walton]

They get a penny per percentage of bio blend if made from virgin Soy
oil. That drops to 1/2 penny per percentage for bio made from waste
oil or virgin non-soy.
Thus a gallon of B20 soy gives them a 20 cent tax credit.
I guess the soybean farmers have a good lobby...

-Dave Walton



On 10/5/05, David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think we pay for them to mix it for us (plus it's
> been suggested to me that the tax break is less for
> B20 than it is for B99); I observed the same phenom
> where I get mine: the price order, lowest to highest,
> was B0 (by only $0.02), B99, B20, by about $0.10 or
> so.  Whether B0 or B100 is more expensive, B20
> _should_ be in between; if it ain't just mix it
> yourself at the pump (assuming where you buy it has
> B100 or B99; if not, I guess you're out of luck.  Easy
> way to estimate how much B0 and B100 you need for B20:
> estimate how much total you need, then divide by 5
> (which is same as doubling and then dividing by 10)
> put that much B100 in, then filler-up with B0; for
> info purposes only, I do not endorse purchasing any
> amount of fossil fuel).
>
> DG
>
> --- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > IMHO, it's all about "caveat emptor" and what the
> > traffic will
> > bear!..  And we are not in charge..
> >
> > But, I have often wondered what I would do if I were
> > a "benign
> > dictator"...  Just wonderin'.  No
> > aspirations
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chuck
> > Phoenix AZ
> > On Oct 4, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Ron Dwelle wrote:
> >
> > > Just went to fill up. B-20 bio-diesel is
> > $0.10/gallon higher than
> > > dino.
> > > Trying to figure out how that could be. $3.199 for
> > dino and $3.299 for
> > > B-20.
> > >
> > > Ron Dwelle
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Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[andrew strasfogel]

Rotkäppchen?? Was bedeutet das?

On 10/5/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
> you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
> In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
> precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.
>
> Chris
>
> --- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> > gallon. Cheapest diesel
> > fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> >
> > --mf
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >
> > > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> > >
> > > Wilton
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[MBZ] Snow tires and rants

[BillR]

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:52:41 -0500
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> As with any area there are good and bad points.  
>  
>
I'm with you there, Bill. Here's my rant, back at ya:

 During a pretty recent December, we got 54 inches of snow in 
southeastern Wisconsin. That's 54 inches of snow in one month. It was a 
wild blip on the bell curve, to be sure, but the nearest big city 
(Milwaukee) averages about 3 feet of snow in a season. And I'm just on 
the fringe of the serious snow belt. The Great Lakes are a snow-making 
machine in the winter!

I love Wisconsin, but the weather can be ... er, character-building. I 
deal with it. Winter is not all unpleasant -- in fact, it can be great 
fun. Still, there are plenty of occasions when it delivers drudgery by 
the bucketload.

Consider the worst chore you can think of. Now, imagine having a 
chortling heckler ...
__
Russ - Your comments dredge up some non-pleasant memories of yet one more
late winter ice storm in Western Indiana with my brother in Central Florida
complaining that his AC was acting up.  With your comments reminding me of
how I felt then, I will cease to heckle you or anyone about snow.  That we
are now in our third day of rain from tropical storm Tammy revives some
memories of storms also.  
Yes, my experiences of snow and ice driving are about 20 years old.  At that
time many people used sand, but it would clump and you had a sand rock. I
never had a problem with cat litter not being easy to use and effective -
different brand?  I appreciate your comments about new tires as I am
considering a trip to see my sister in NH this Winter - if I have found an
engine by then.  
I am about ready to take a look at something like this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4579615413&rd=
1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
What might be the things to look out for with something like this  [other
than a steep purchase price]?  My diesel mechanic son is in Columbia and
could check it out for me.

Hang in there and I hope you will not need to develop too much  more
character this coming Winter. 
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  the EM  265K / no engine yet
   

Re: [MBZ] humor? (was: Re: 99 E300D)

[ernest breakfield]

i am far from humorless, but i don't think making fun of people is funny
(and it's a poor reflection on those who do).

   you're right that i wasn't interested; i'm more of a W123 fan.

   i don't have any idea if eArnest was interested or not (whoever he is).


cheers!
e


> Come on, it was funny.
>
> And he was right - you weren't interested.
>
>
>
>
>> that's sad, and proof again that humor is not universal...
>>   i don't find ignorance or a lack of an ability to understand the
>> greater picture the least bit amusing.
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>> e
>>
>>
>>>  >I am available to look at it, if anybody is at all interested.  I
>>> know
>>> Earnest is not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nicemade my afternoon with that bit of humorstill chuckling as
>>> I
>>> type this.
>>>
>>> Dave W

Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[John Ervine]

Nick Gough wrote:


How does biodiesel fare during the winter months? Won't it gel a lot faster? If 
so, there will be a huge boost in anti-gel additive sales. A friend is buying a 
1993 300D (2.5L turbo) and wants to use 100% biodiesel in it. Will he have to 
convert his car over to it? I know of someone else who uses 100% biodiesel in 
his Benz diesels without conversion and they run fine with no problems. So, who 
is correct? Are these guys flirting with danger of some sort by using biodiesel 
without a conversion kit for their cars?


I'm no BioD wizard or anything, but the information that I repeatedly come 
across is that A) no conversion is necessary in most cases, though older rubber 
fuel lines should be replaced B) it gels at a higher temperature than diesel and 
C) conventional anti-gel agents do not have the same degree of effect in BioD as 
they do in diesel.


If there is a better BioD-centric anti-gel out there, I'd love to hear of it.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 268+kmi
1980 300TD 170+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 80+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[Nick Gough]

I've read some of the comments over time, about biodiesel. Well, I tried out a 
2% biodiesel-98% normal #2 at a Shell station on Rte 123 & I-75 (one of the 
Franklin exits, just south of Dayton, Ohio) and it was expensive... $3.20/gal. 
I filled it up and have been running fine with it since last Thursday. On Sat, 
I began to use 5w30 Mobil 1 instead of 15w50, getting ready for winter (I want 
to see if it will fire up in the parking lot at the end of a day without 
smoking too badly.) The car seems to have more power and I've used a lot less 
fuel for roughly the same number of miles as the last tankful.

 

How does biodiesel fare during the winter months? Won't it gel a lot faster? If 
so, there will be a huge boost in anti-gel additive sales. A friend is buying a 
1993 300D (2.5L turbo) and wants to use 100% biodiesel in it. Will he have to 
convert his car over to it? I know of someone else who uses 100% biodiesel in 
his Benz diesels without conversion and they run fine with no problems. So, who 
is correct? Are these guys flirting with danger of some sort by using biodiesel 
without a conversion kit for their cars?

 

Thx.

 

 

Nick Gough

Dayton, Ohio


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Come on, it was funny. 

And he was right - you weren't interested.




> that's sad, and proof again that humor is not universal...
>   i don't find ignorance or a lack of an ability to understand the
> greater picture the least bit amusing.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
>>  >I am available to look at it, if anybody is at all interested.  I know
>> Earnest is not.
>>
>>
>> Nicemade my afternoon with that bit of humorstill chuckling as I
>> type this.
>>
>> Dave W
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[MBZ] humor? (was: Re: 99 E300D)

[ernest breakfield]

that's sad, and proof again that humor is not universal...
   i don't find ignorance or a lack of an ability to understand the
greater picture the least bit amusing.


cheers!
e


>  >I am available to look at it, if anybody is at all interested.  I know
> Earnest is not.
>
>
> Nicemade my afternoon with that bit of humorstill chuckling as I
> type this.
>
> Dave W

Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[ernest breakfield]

no "Earnest" here, so no problem...  ;-P

   since we all can shop in any market we want to, i can (and do) shop
wherever/whenever i want...

   don't get it yet? look at it this way; if everyone were to post all the
cars they thought might be interesting to everyone else on the list
like you do, the S/N ratio would be worse here than it already is to
the point where the list would be (even more) 'unusable'.

   posting stuff anyone can already see *if* they're interested is not
only redundant, it corrupts the usability of the list.


cheers!
e



> Ok Earnest gets no Seattle cars either
>
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2005, at 10:19 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:
>
>> [list of Seattle cars deleted]
>>
>> Clay,
>>
>>please don't include me in the generalization "the rest of the list"
>> that you use to justify what you seem to think of as a 'service' to the
>> list; there's already too much noise on this list for me to support any
>> more.
>>do you understand that (thanks to the the wonder of the internet,)
>> if
>> we wanted to look at cars in seattle, it's as easy for any of us to
>> look at that list as it is for you?   ;-*
>>
>>if anyone were looking for cars there (or anywhere else), we could
>> do
>> it ourselves. moreover, if we were looking for cars out of our area, we
>> certainly wouldn't limit ourselves to looking only there.
>>
>>
>> cheers!
>> e
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
>>> great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
>>> for some new rides, no matter where they find them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> 1972 220D - Gump
>>> 1995 E300D - Cleo
>>> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
>>> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 99 E300D

[Dave Wakin]

>I am available to look at it, if anybody is at all interested.  I know 
Earnest is not.



Nicemade my afternoon with that bit of humorstill chuckling as I 
type this.


Dave W 

Re: [MBZ] Too big for Gump?

[Richard Hattaway]

No, as long as you are not trying for land speed records.

That is a ***WAY*** cool camper.

Richard
Wishing he lived in Washington

--- redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101882076.html
> 
> Would this be too much to tow behind Gump?
> 
> 
> --
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> 
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> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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> 
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[MBZ] 99 E300D

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101928668.html

Dude wants $18k, it is a "green" car dealership.  I am available to 
look at it, if anybody is at all interested.  I know Earnest is not.  
Maybe Regina needs it



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Re: [MBZ] Too big for Gump?

[OK Don]

Depends on how much of a hurry you're in? Ought to be fine behind Cleo
though 

On 10/5/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101882076.html
>
> Would this be too much to tow behind Gump?
>
>
> --
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>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>

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Re: [MBZ] overbored - was:Whats this stuff on my 240D

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Van wrote:

>   Philip
> 
>Oops, I shoulda said "bore the sleeve". When you resleeve the engine you 
> must have them bored to fit the pistons. (std) You can buy the oversized 
> pistons and have the sleeves bored to fit them.  Which I did on the last 
> rebuild I did,  Hay.. every little extra cube counts with 67 HP :-D
> 
> Steve

Got it!

I have a couple engines that won't be useful without some heavy engine
work. I expect they will stay "parts suppliers", but wanted to make
sure I understood the process - in case I need it. *smile*

  Philip, who _tries_ to learn from others efforts...

[MBZ] Too big for Gump?

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101882076.html

Would this be too much to tow behind Gump?


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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] I just took parts off this car

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/102057753.html

looks a BUNCH like the car I just harvested parts at the PnP from!  
Same color same body, but the interior was camel not cream.  Good price 
of $2500.  Maybe Kevin needs this instead of Gump


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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[redghost]

Ok Earnest gets no Seattle cars either

On Tuesday, October 4, 2005, at 10:19 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:


[list of Seattle cars deleted]

Clay,

   please don't include me in the generalization "the rest of the list"
that you use to justify what you seem to think of as a 'service' to the
list; there's already too much noise on this list for me to support any
more.
   do you understand that (thanks to the the wonder of the internet,) 
if

we wanted to look at cars in seattle, it's as easy for any of us to
look at that list as it is for you?   ;-*

   if anyone were looking for cars there (or anywhere else), we could 
do

it ourselves. moreover, if we were looking for cars out of our area, we
certainly wouldn't limit ourselves to looking only there.


cheers!
e




Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
for some new rides, no matter where they find them




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The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[redghost]

OH, now you want a RAM!  Well they are all over the Seattle list.  As 
well as the three car trailers.


On Tuesday, October 4, 2005, at 10:02 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
for some new rides, no matter where they find them


Love to see them all! Buy me a Dodge Ram Cummins and a three-car 
hawler and

I'll start dragging 'em back too.

Note to Mike: after seeing the condition of the 240d, my wrench is 
seriously
asking me to look for more cheap w123 diesels in the U.S. He can't 
believe
that car sat for months. After years of grumbling over having to work 
on my

Mercedes, you've almost done a conversion LoL.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane snow ties

[Russ Maki]

As with any area there are good and bad points.  
 


I'm with you there, Bill. Here's my rant, back at ya:

During a pretty recent December, we got 54 inches of snow in 
southeastern Wisconsin. That's 54 inches of snow in one month. It was a 
wild blip on the bell curve, to be sure, but the nearest big city 
(Milwaukee) averages about 3 feet of snow in a season. And I'm just on 
the fringe of the serious snow belt. The Great Lakes are a snow-making 
machine in the winter!


I love Wisconsin, but the weather can be ... er, character-building. I 
deal with it. Winter is not all unpleasant -- in fact, it can be great 
fun. Still, there are plenty of occasions when it delivers drudgery by 
the bucketload.


Consider the worst chore you can think of. Now, imagine having a 
chortling heckler lounging nearby on a chaise, sipping a tall drink and 
hooting  while you perform said chore. As I said, winter isn't all bad, 
and most of the ribbing on this list is good-natured -- but when you get 
poked in the ribs 30 or 40 times a season, every season, it gets a 
little old.


On to the subject of the post, sort of:

I have gone many years without snow tires. I've also ended up in the 
ditch more than a time or two. Since I drive a lot at night these days, 
I wouldn't have a car without them in the winter.


As I recall, you posted that you didn't find them necessary, based on 
your winter driving experience (I surmise) some years ago. But modern 
snow tires are a far cry from the old clunkers of the bias-ply days. The 
H-rated tires (like the Nokian NRWs Ned K. and I were singing hosannas 
to awhile back) drive like touring tires and can navigate an unplowed 
road without drama. They've also been extremely durable -- Ned and I 
have both gotten 40,000 miles out of our sets, and they're still 
roadworthy. Other brands that use multicell rubber compounds don't hold 
up as well.


I also recall you mentioning kitty litter as a winter driving aid -- I'm 
not sure if you meant for weight in the trunk or to spread under the 
wheels. If the latter, I'd have to disagree to a point. Once that stuff 
gets saturated with moisture, it's wet clay. I prefer bags of playbox sand.


But then, I have snow tires, so I don't get stuck in the snow!

Russ

Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[David Goldsmith]

Now all he has to do is organically grow his own flax,
process it himself, and he'll be all set!

DG

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> Holy Cats, Chris...with what do you plan to power
> your centrifuge? 
> So you intend to  run WVO you sent for a spin in
> your centrifuge as fuel?
> Cool.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bio prices

[David Goldsmith]

The unfortunate fact is that the way dino fuel is
going, there won't be much price pressure on him to
lower that. :(

DG

--- Russ Maki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was on the phone the other day with a fuel/oil
> distributor who's 
> getting into biodiesel. For the record, Wolf Oil of
> Slinger, Wis.. He 
> had me interested until he told me their price for
> B-100 -- $25+ for a 
> 5-gallon pail!! Boutique fuel, with an emphasis on
> the "boutique."
> 
> 
> Ron Dwelle wrote:
> 
> >Just went to fill up. B-20 bio-diesel is
> $0.10/gallon higher than dino. 
> >Trying to figure out how that could be. $3.199 for
> dino and $3.299 for 
> >B-20.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bio prices

[David Goldsmith]

I think we pay for them to mix it for us (plus it's
been suggested to me that the tax break is less for
B20 than it is for B99); I observed the same phenom
where I get mine: the price order, lowest to highest,
was B0 (by only $0.02), B99, B20, by about $0.10 or
so.  Whether B0 or B100 is more expensive, B20
_should_ be in between; if it ain't just mix it
yourself at the pump (assuming where you buy it has
B100 or B99; if not, I guess you're out of luck.  Easy
way to estimate how much B0 and B100 you need for B20:
estimate how much total you need, then divide by 5
(which is same as doubling and then dividing by 10)
put that much B100 in, then filler-up with B0; for
info purposes only, I do not endorse purchasing any
amount of fossil fuel).

DG

--- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ron,
> 
> IMHO, it's all about "caveat emptor" and what the
> traffic will  
> bear!..  And we are not in charge..
> 
> But, I have often wondered what I would do if I were
> a "benign  
> dictator"...  Just wonderin'.  No
> aspirations
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Ron Dwelle wrote:
> 
> > Just went to fill up. B-20 bio-diesel is
> $0.10/gallon higher than  
> > dino.
> > Trying to figure out how that could be. $3.199 for
> dino and $3.299 for
> > B-20.
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Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Mobil 1 Price

[Marshall Booth]

Tom Scordato wrote:
Marshal please chime in.  I guess I use it because that is what I have done 
for the last two years since I got the car.  (tradition un hampered by 
progress?)


If there is an advantage to the 5w 40 for the 617.9XX non turbo engine I 
would like to hear it.  95% of my driving is long highway distance.


The biggest advantages of using the M-1 T&SUV 5W-40 is that it's got the 
finest diesel specific blend and additive package that I know of and it 
costs less than M-1 EXT 15W50. Your engine might not require all of the 
good things that T&SUV M-1 offers, but they will hurt NOTHING and since 
the oil is cheaper, what the heck - go for it. T&SUV uses only group IV 
& V base stock so is a FULL synthetic.


Warning - I'm SURE that M-1 (and every other motor oil) will increase 
substantially in price soon! As long a crude is selling for $60+ a 
barrel, motor oil will go up in price.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There was a big discussion about this on the biodiesel list just a few 
days ago.


Marshall Field wrote:


For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to add 1.5 oz of ordinary
store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel fuel, would the acetone
in that concentration cause any damage to seals, gaskets, injector pumps
etc?

I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally syndicated late night talk
show last week, and the guest said he had great success in his gasser using
2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3 increase in fuel
mileage. He also commented that this increase was possible only if he used
premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an alcohol additive.

But what caught my ear was the guest's comments about improved diesel fuel
mileage.

So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone thing? IF so, share with
the rest of us!!

In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead that adding acetone is
not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own cars.

Marshall in Feenix
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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Hans Neureiter]

I agree with Tom. If an engine is that fouled up that it has a 33% power
loss; and a little Acetone fixes that; who needs mechanics?

On 10/5/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But not 33%.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Trampas
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:40 AM
> To: 'Mercedes mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?
>
> Well technically there is also the burn time. That is diesel fuel takes
> time
> to burn. The problem is that at certain points in the piston travel
> changes
> in the cylinder pressures will have different power outputs. Thus by
> decreasing the burn time of the diesel fuel in theory you can get more
> efficiency. For example if you can atomize the fuel better it will all
> burn
> at start of combustion and contribute more to power and thus increase in
> efficiency.
>
> Basically it is like dirty injectors, they inject less fuel when dirty.
> You
> still can get complete combustion but fuel mileage will go down due low
> atomization.
>
> Regards,
> Trampas
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:15 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?
>
> that's the crux of the argument. IF DIESEL EXHAUST FROM A HEALTHY ENGINE
> HAS
> ALMOST NO UNBURNED FUEL IN IT, THEN IT WON'T WORK. The Acetone argument is
> that it reduces surface tension in the fuel and allows it to atomize
> better,
> giving a more complete burn...if the burn is already 99% complete, THERE
> IS
> NO WAY TO GET 33% more mileage. No way.
>
> Also, my Indy, who has no problem with my putting all sorts of crap in my
> 240D tank was TOTALLY opposed even to 1/15 of 1% of acetone. Any amount,
> will eat seals over time.
>
> I do believe this theory is bogus, unless MAYBE you have bad
> injectors...then the acetone may help the atomization. If all is working
> well AND Tom is correct that there is little unburned fuel in a healthy
> engine, then I've made up my mind - CAN'T WORK.
>
> Chris
>
> --- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > There is a serious problem with this theory.
> >
> > For this or any other additive to work, you'd have to increase the
> > amount of energy available from the fuel but one gallon of diesel has
> > a finite amount of energy. And diesel exhaust contains almost no
> > unburned fuel. In other words, almost all of the available energy is
> > already being extracted from the fuel!
> >
> > The same goes for the gasser mileage he's claiming.
> >
> > This one belongs in the same pile as magnets that "align" your fuel
> > atoms and air filters that "straighten" your airflow.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > www.kegkits.com 
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Marshall Field
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:19 PM
> > To: MB List
> > Subject: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?
> >
> > For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to add 1.5 oz of
> > ordinary store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel fuel,
> > would the acetone in that concentration cause any damage to seals,
> > gaskets, injector pumps etc?
> >
> > I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally syndicated late night
> > talk show last week, and the guest said he had great success in his
> > gasser using
> > 2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3 increase in fuel
> > mileage. He also commented that this increase was possible only if he
> > used premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an alcohol
> > additive.
> >
> > But what caught my ear was the guest's comments about improved diesel
> > fuel mileage.
> >
> > So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone thing? IF so, share
> > with the rest of us!!
> >
> > In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead that adding
> > acetone is not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own cars.
> >
> > Marshall in Feenix
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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Marshall Booth]

A properly running diesel is VERY efficient. With the engine loaded, 
most of the fuel is completely burned - CO concentrations (incompletely 
burned burned fuel) run well less than 0.5% (suggesting that most of the 
fuel is already almost fully consumed) and particulates are quite low as 
long as smoke is low. There is a finite amount of energy in the fuel and 
MOST of it is being transformed into power when the engine is loaded. 
ANY improvement is going to result in a VERY small increase in available 
power (and will result in increased NOx emissions) or more efficient 
combustion.


I think magnets on the fuel lines have as good a chance of improving 
fuel economy and you only pay for the magnets ONCE!


Marshall
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[MBZ] Fill in the blanks

[Hans Neureiter]

I am working on making valve adjustment wrenches and like to know the needed
dimensions. Thanks
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===/ I 14mm Combi wrench
-L?-

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Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Mobil 1 Price

[Tom Scordato]

Marshal please chime in.  I guess I use it because that is what I have done 
for the last two years since I got the car.  (tradition un hampered by 
progress?)


If there is an advantage to the 5w 40 for the 617.9XX non turbo engine I 
would like to hear it.  95% of my driving is long highway distance.


Regards Tom
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From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Mobil 1 Price


Tell me again why you are looking at 15-W-50 instead of the superior (and 
I

believe less expensive) 5-W-40 Truck/SUV?

On 10/2/05, Tom Scordato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Went to change oil and noticed since last year a not on "sale" 5 quart 
jug

of 15W/50 Mobil 1 sysnthetic has jumped in the last year form $19
something
to $25 something dollars at the local Walmart. That is an increase of
$6.00
or 30%. Just thought I would pass on this little gouge observation.

Tom

1977 300D 255K miles



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Re: [MBZ] St Louis fest? Preliminary thoughts and ramblings

[Christopher McCann]

BUT Adolph Busch was the first in America to
manufacture diesel engines. Adolp and Rudolf (Diesel)
were friends and he came to the St. L world's fair and
attended an opening of Busch's engine factory...lots
of  interesting connections. First diesel engine in
commercial use in the US was at the Busch plant in St.
L.

Chris

--- tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rick Knoble wrote:
> 
> > Isn't St. Louis famous for it's BBQ?
> > And yeah, add me to the list of maybes
> 
> You can get decent BBQ here, but we're greatly
> overshadowed by KC.  I 
> like to think of St Louis as a beer town - by which
> I mean Schlafly, not 
> the Budweiser swill :)
> 
> I shall put you on the list...
> 
> Tom
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, 
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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Tom Hargrave]

But not 33%. 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Trampas
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:40 AM
To: 'Mercedes mailing list'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

Well technically there is also the burn time. That is diesel fuel takes time
to burn. The problem is that at certain points in the piston travel changes
in the cylinder pressures will have different power outputs. Thus by
decreasing the burn time of the diesel fuel in theory you can get more
efficiency. For example if you can atomize the fuel better it will all burn
at start of combustion and contribute more to power and thus increase in
efficiency. 

Basically it is like dirty injectors, they inject less fuel when dirty. You
still can get complete combustion but fuel mileage will go down due low
atomization. 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:15 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

that's the crux of the argument. IF DIESEL EXHAUST FROM A HEALTHY ENGINE HAS
ALMOST NO UNBURNED FUEL IN IT, THEN IT WON'T WORK. The Acetone argument is
that it reduces surface tension in the fuel and allows it to atomize better,
giving a more complete burn...if the burn is already 99% complete, THERE IS
NO WAY TO GET 33% more mileage. No way. 

Also, my Indy, who has no problem with my putting all sorts of crap in my
240D tank was TOTALLY opposed even to 1/15 of 1% of acetone. Any amount,
will eat seals over time.

I do believe this theory is bogus, unless MAYBE you have bad
injectors...then the acetone may help the atomization. If all is working
well AND Tom is correct that there is little unburned fuel in a healthy
engine, then I've made up my mind - CAN'T WORK.

Chris

--- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a serious problem with this theory.
> 
> For this or any other additive to work, you'd have to increase the 
> amount of energy available from the fuel but one gallon of diesel has 
> a finite amount of energy. And diesel exhaust contains almost no 
> unburned fuel. In other words, almost all of the available energy is 
> already being extracted from the fuel!
> 
> The same goes for the gasser mileage he's claiming.
> 
> This one belongs in the same pile as magnets that "align" your fuel 
> atoms and air filters that "straighten" your airflow.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Marshall Field
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:19 PM
> To: MB List
> Subject: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?
> 
> For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to add 1.5 oz of 
> ordinary store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel fuel, 
> would the acetone in that concentration cause any damage to seals, 
> gaskets, injector pumps etc?
> 
> I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally syndicated late night 
> talk show last week, and the guest said he had great success in his 
> gasser using
> 2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3 increase in fuel 
> mileage. He also commented that this increase was possible only if he 
> used premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an alcohol 
> additive.
> 
> But what caught my ear was the guest's comments about improved diesel 
> fuel mileage.
> 
> So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone thing? IF so, share 
> with the rest of us!!
> 
> In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead that adding 
> acetone is not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own cars.
> 
> Marshall in Feenix
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing
to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and
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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Trampas]

Well technically there is also the burn time. That is diesel fuel takes time
to burn. The problem is that at certain points in the piston travel changes
in the cylinder pressures will have different power outputs. Thus by
decreasing the burn time of the diesel fuel in theory you can get more
efficiency. For example if you can atomize the fuel better it will all burn
at start of combustion and contribute more to power and thus increase in
efficiency. 

Basically it is like dirty injectors, they inject less fuel when dirty. You
still can get complete combustion but fuel mileage will go down due low
atomization. 

Regards,
Trampas 
  
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:15 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

that's the crux of the argument. IF DIESEL EXHAUST
FROM A HEALTHY ENGINE HAS ALMOST NO UNBURNED FUEL IN
IT, THEN IT WON'T WORK. The Acetone argument is that
it reduces surface tension in the fuel and allows it
to atomize better, giving a more complete burn...if
the burn is already 99% complete, THERE IS NO WAY TO
GET 33% more mileage. No way. 

Also, my Indy, who has no problem with my putting all
sorts of crap in my 240D tank was TOTALLY opposed even
to 1/15 of 1% of acetone. Any amount, will eat seals
over time.

I do believe this theory is bogus, unless MAYBE you
have bad injectors...then the acetone may help the
atomization. If all is working well AND Tom is correct
that there is little unburned fuel in a healthy
engine, then I've made up my mind - CAN'T WORK.

Chris

--- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a serious problem with this theory.
> 
> For this or any other additive to work, you'd have
> to increase the amount of
> energy available from the fuel but one gallon of
> diesel has a finite amount
> of energy. And diesel exhaust contains almost no
> unburned fuel. In other
> words, almost all of the available energy is already
> being extracted from
> the fuel!
> 
> The same goes for the gasser mileage he's claiming.
> 
> This one belongs in the same pile as magnets that
> "align" your fuel atoms
> and air filters that "straighten" your airflow.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Marshall Field
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:19 PM
> To: MB List
> Subject: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel
> mileage...Huh?
> 
> For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to
> add 1.5 oz of ordinary
> store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel
> fuel, would the acetone
> in that concentration cause any damage to seals,
> gaskets, injector pumps
> etc?
> 
> I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally
> syndicated late night talk
> show last week, and the guest said he had great
> success in his gasser using
> 2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3
> increase in fuel
> mileage. He also commented that this increase was
> possible only if he used
> premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an
> alcohol additive.
> 
> But what caught my ear was the guest's comments
> about improved diesel fuel
> mileage.
> 
> So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone
> thing? IF so, share with
> the rest of us!!
> 
> In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead
> that adding acetone is
> not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own
> cars.
> 
> Marshall in Feenix
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-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing
to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)

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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Tom Hargrave]

Maybe this really does work!

The acetone eats your seals.

The increased fuel (from your eaten seals) increases your mileage, for a
while...


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:15 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

that's the crux of the argument. IF DIESEL EXHAUST FROM A HEALTHY ENGINE HAS
ALMOST NO UNBURNED FUEL IN IT, THEN IT WON'T WORK. The Acetone argument is
that it reduces surface tension in the fuel and allows it to atomize better,
giving a more complete burn...if the burn is already 99% complete, THERE IS
NO WAY TO GET 33% more mileage. No way. 

Also, my Indy, who has no problem with my putting all sorts of crap in my
240D tank was TOTALLY opposed even to 1/15 of 1% of acetone. Any amount,
will eat seals over time.

I do believe this theory is bogus, unless MAYBE you have bad
injectors...then the acetone may help the atomization. If all is working
well AND Tom is correct that there is little unburned fuel in a healthy
engine, then I've made up my mind - CAN'T WORK.

Chris

--- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a serious problem with this theory.
> 
> For this or any other additive to work, you'd have to increase the 
> amount of energy available from the fuel but one gallon of diesel has 
> a finite amount of energy. And diesel exhaust contains almost no 
> unburned fuel. In other words, almost all of the available energy is 
> already being extracted from the fuel!
> 
> The same goes for the gasser mileage he's claiming.
> 
> This one belongs in the same pile as magnets that "align" your fuel 
> atoms and air filters that "straighten" your airflow.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Marshall Field
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:19 PM
> To: MB List
> Subject: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?
> 
> For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to add 1.5 oz of 
> ordinary store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel fuel, 
> would the acetone in that concentration cause any damage to seals, 
> gaskets, injector pumps etc?
> 
> I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally syndicated late night 
> talk show last week, and the guest said he had great success in his 
> gasser using
> 2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3 increase in fuel 
> mileage. He also commented that this increase was possible only if he 
> used premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an alcohol 
> additive.
> 
> But what caught my ear was the guest's comments about improved diesel 
> fuel mileage.
> 
> So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone thing? IF so, share 
> with the rest of us!!
> 
> In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead that adding 
> acetone is not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own cars.
> 
> Marshall in Feenix
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-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing
to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, etc.)

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Re: [MBZ] St Louis fest? Preliminary thoughts and ramblings

[Christopher McCann]

Indeed, that would be KC :-)

Chris

--- George Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That would be Kansas City
> 
>  
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> -Original Message-
> From: On Behalf Of Rick Knoble
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 PM
> 
> Isn't St. Louis famous for it's BBQ?
> And yeah, add me to the list of maybes
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD
> 
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, 
etc.)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
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Re: [MBZ] Jug of soy

[Christopher McCann]

don't forget taxes, if you pay on food there. In PA
you do not pay taxes on unprepared food (or clothes).
In MO you do...but in MO you DONT pay taxes on
precious metals purchases (bullion/coins)...oh well.

Chris

--- "L. Mark Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At CostCo, it's 71 cents per quart -- $2.84 per
> gallon. Cheapest diesel 
> fuel in these parts is $2.97.
> 
> --mf
> 
> On Oct 4, 2005, at 6:52 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
> 
> > 35 lb. jug of soy oil = ~4.6 gal.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> 
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(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, 
etc.)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Christopher McCann]

that's the crux of the argument. IF DIESEL EXHAUST
FROM A HEALTHY ENGINE HAS ALMOST NO UNBURNED FUEL IN
IT, THEN IT WON'T WORK. The Acetone argument is that
it reduces surface tension in the fuel and allows it
to atomize better, giving a more complete burn...if
the burn is already 99% complete, THERE IS NO WAY TO
GET 33% more mileage. No way. 

Also, my Indy, who has no problem with my putting all
sorts of crap in my 240D tank was TOTALLY opposed even
to 1/15 of 1% of acetone. Any amount, will eat seals
over time.

I do believe this theory is bogus, unless MAYBE you
have bad injectors...then the acetone may help the
atomization. If all is working well AND Tom is correct
that there is little unburned fuel in a healthy
engine, then I've made up my mind - CAN'T WORK.

Chris

--- Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is a serious problem with this theory.
> 
> For this or any other additive to work, you'd have
> to increase the amount of
> energy available from the fuel but one gallon of
> diesel has a finite amount
> of energy. And diesel exhaust contains almost no
> unburned fuel. In other
> words, almost all of the available energy is already
> being extracted from
> the fuel!
> 
> The same goes for the gasser mileage he's claiming.
> 
> This one belongs in the same pile as magnets that
> "align" your fuel atoms
> and air filters that "straighten" your airflow.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Marshall Field
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:19 PM
> To: MB List
> Subject: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel
> mileage...Huh?
> 
> For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to
> add 1.5 oz of ordinary
> store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel
> fuel, would the acetone
> in that concentration cause any damage to seals,
> gaskets, injector pumps
> etc?
> 
> I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally
> syndicated late night talk
> show last week, and the guest said he had great
> success in his gasser using
> 2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3
> increase in fuel
> mileage. He also commented that this increase was
> possible only if he used
> premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an
> alcohol additive.
> 
> But what caught my ear was the guest's comments
> about improved diesel fuel
> mileage.
> 
> So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone
> thing? IF so, share with
> the rest of us!!
> 
> In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead
> that adding acetone is
> not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own
> cars.
> 
> Marshall in Feenix
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-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, 
etc.)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
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Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[Christopher McCann]

will keep the list posted on our progress.

Will let y'all know how the VO run to WI and back
goes.

Chris

--- Andrew Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Chris,
>  You will have to let me know how that turns out. I
> have thought about using
> one like that but thought that the cake may need to
> be cleaned out too often
> without some minor prefiltration.
>  Andy
> 
>  On 10/4/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.dieselproducts.com/
> >
> > Some VERY cool stuff there - not cheap. We're
> getting
> > one of the Spin Clean models, I forget which one,
> > right now...documentation is all at home.
> >
> > If you get one, have to have the right pump (gpm
> and
> > psi) for it and then a motor for the pump...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > How'd you score the high-tech filter - surplus
> > > auction?
> > >
> > > DG
> > >
> > > --- Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I wasn't really implying anything, just making
> an
> > > > observation. Yes, Fuel prices will lead to
> price
> > > > inflation in general, but Europe has had high
> fuel
> > > > prices forever and it's still cheaper to buy
> bulk
> > > > fresh VO than it is to buy D2 or BioD (the
> > > cheapest
> > > > fuel at the pump). We may be facing that
> scenario.
> > > >
> > > > Conversion prices cover quite a range.
> Frybrid,
> > > the
> > > > best, is $1,700. My friend and I finished
> > > installing
> > > > his last night and we're now running 100% VO.
> It
> > > is
> > > > rather amazing.
> > > >
> > > > The savings, for us, will be a very convenient
> > > > supply
> > > > of oil (got a guy lined up for this) and a
> fast,
> > > > clean
> > > > and VERY efficient filtration method (using an
> > > > industrial centrifugal filter in my garage -
> sub
> > > > micron purity).
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Perhaps his implication is to rush out and
> stock
> > > > up
> > > > > now (it comes in those convenient 5-gallon
> > > > > conainers).
> > > > > How much are VO conversions?
> > > > >
> > > > > DG
> > > > >
> > > > > --- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christopher McCann wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051003/pl_nm/energy_winter_costs_dc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If heating oil is going up 30+%, you
> know
> > > what
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > means for diesel. Costco soybean oil
> will be
> > > > > > cheaper
> > > > > > > than the pump at that point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe not. The farmers who cultivate the
> > > > soybeans
> > > > > > and the railroads and
> > > > > > truckers who distribute them will be
> buying
> > > the
> > > > > > expensive diesel, too.
> > > > > > I expect this will result in inflation all
> > > > over
> > > > > > the economy.
> > > > > >
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> > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> > > > Missouri
> > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen"
> > > (Alternativen
> > > > Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel
> > > Test
> > > > Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2
> mix
> > > (do
> > > > not attempt this unless you are willing to
> > > sacrifice
> > > > your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > > >
> > > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van"
> -
> > > FOR
> > > > SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal).
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[Christopher McCann]

right...in England about 70% taxes, but transportation
companies still havfe to pay the taxes, even if
farmers don't. Of course, US citizens pay a lower % of
their income on food than any other country in the
world, do our food prices going up, might just put us
at par with Europe, where it is still cheaper to buy
fresh canola oil than BioD/D2...who knows, we'll just
have to wait and see.

Chris

--- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > I wasn't really implying anything, just making an
> > observation. Yes, Fuel prices will lead to price
> > inflation in general, but Europe has had high fuel
> > prices forever and it's still cheaper to buy bulk
> > fresh VO than it is to buy D2 or BioD (the
> cheapest
> > fuel at the pump). We may be facing that scenario.
> 
> Europe's situations is categorically different,
> though.  European diesel
> prices are high because of heavy taxation. 
> Agricutural use is tax
> exempt, I believe.  If you subtract out the taxes,
> their fuel prices are
> close to our own.
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix (do 
not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP and/or injectors, 
etc.)

-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" - FOR SALE $6500 (and that's 
a good deal).



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Re: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Tom Hargrave]

There is a serious problem with this theory.

For this or any other additive to work, you'd have to increase the amount of
energy available from the fuel but one gallon of diesel has a finite amount
of energy. And diesel exhaust contains almost no unburned fuel. In other
words, almost all of the available energy is already being extracted from
the fuel!

The same goes for the gasser mileage he's claiming.

This one belongs in the same pile as magnets that "align" your fuel atoms
and air filters that "straighten" your airflow.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Marshall Field
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 10:19 PM
To: MB List
Subject: [MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to add 1.5 oz of ordinary
store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel fuel, would the acetone
in that concentration cause any damage to seals, gaskets, injector pumps
etc?

I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally syndicated late night talk
show last week, and the guest said he had great success in his gasser using
2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3 increase in fuel
mileage. He also commented that this increase was possible only if he used
premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an alcohol additive.

But what caught my ear was the guest's comments about improved diesel fuel
mileage.

So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone thing? IF so, share with
the rest of us!!

In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead that adding acetone is
not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own cars.

Marshall in Feenix
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Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[Andrew Cunningham]

Chris,
 You will have to let me know how that turns out. I have thought about using
one like that but thought that the cake may need to be cleaned out too often
without some minor prefiltration.
 Andy

 On 10/4/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.dieselproducts.com/
>
> Some VERY cool stuff there - not cheap. We're getting
> one of the Spin Clean models, I forget which one,
> right now...documentation is all at home.
>
> If you get one, have to have the right pump (gpm and
> psi) for it and then a motor for the pump...
>
> Chris
>
> --- David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > How'd you score the high-tech filter - surplus
> > auction?
> >
> > DG
> >
> > --- Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I wasn't really implying anything, just making an
> > > observation. Yes, Fuel prices will lead to price
> > > inflation in general, but Europe has had high fuel
> > > prices forever and it's still cheaper to buy bulk
> > > fresh VO than it is to buy D2 or BioD (the
> > cheapest
> > > fuel at the pump). We may be facing that scenario.
> > >
> > > Conversion prices cover quite a range. Frybrid,
> > the
> > > best, is $1,700. My friend and I finished
> > installing
> > > his last night and we're now running 100% VO. It
> > is
> > > rather amazing.
> > >
> > > The savings, for us, will be a very convenient
> > > supply
> > > of oil (got a guy lined up for this) and a fast,
> > > clean
> > > and VERY efficient filtration method (using an
> > > industrial centrifugal filter in my garage - sub
> > > micron purity).
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- David Goldsmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Perhaps his implication is to rush out and stock
> > > up
> > > > now (it comes in those convenient 5-gallon
> > > > conainers).
> > > > How much are VO conversions?
> > > >
> > > > DG
> > > >
> > > > --- David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Christopher McCann wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051003/pl_nm/energy_winter_costs_dc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If heating oil is going up 30+%, you know
> > what
> > > > > that
> > > > > > means for diesel. Costco soybean oil will be
> > > > > cheaper
> > > > > > than the pump at that point.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe not. The farmers who cultivate the
> > > soybeans
> > > > > and the railroads and
> > > > > truckers who distribute them will be buying
> > the
> > > > > expensive diesel, too.
> > > > > I expect this will result in inflation all
> > > over
> > > > > the economy.
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> > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> > > Missouri
> > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf"
> > >
> >
> (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> > > -1987 300TD, 149K miles, "Rotkäppchen"
> > > -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen"
> > (Alternativen
> > > Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel
> > Test
> > > Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/WATF/WGL/Kero/D2 mix
> > (do
> > > not attempt this unless you are willing to
> > sacrifice
> > > your IP and/or injectors, etc.)
> > >
> > > -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 101K miles, "The Van" -
> > FOR
> > > SALE $6500 (and that's a good deal).
> > >
> > >
> > >
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[MBZ] Hurricane snow ties

[BillR]

BillR wrote:
>
>[BillR] You can get nasty can't you? 
>
No, that's not nasty, that's just sarcastic.

Russ - The reference was not to you but to the introduction of those nasty
hurricanes when I was gloating about no snow - and I did address the snow
tire issue after that.  As with any area there are good and bad points.  
For a personal rant: Try building a school system with the 127 languages
recognized in public schools in Dade County now - and places such as little
Havana where it is at times difficult to find anyone who speaks English [I
have been in restaurants where the waiters had to meet to figure out who
could take my order] and they do not need English in Dade any longer except
for some legal and health situations.  Native English speakers are only a
bit above 20% of the population [Broward has only about 35% Hispanic
population so gives a better mixing with English].  Average age is 23 in
Miami/ Dade County compared to as high as 62 in some areas on the Florida
West coast.  In many ways I enjoyed the cultural mix, but after dealing with
it for 20 years I needed to gloat about something.  
I was born and raised here, and am still happy to be in Florida even so -
though not unhappy that Jacksonville is a far different place than Dade and
Broward.
BillR
1981 300SD  the EM  265K / still no engine [unless Kevin sells me his car]
Jacksonville FL
  

Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[kevin kraly]

I for one enjoy the fact that someone takes a minute to compile such lists

Yeah, you never know when I may have to take a little trip up to Seattle to 
pick up a car.  I'm still hoping for that nice little Forrest green '72 220D 
that a *certain* list member owns *smile*.  Na, I guess he'll never part 
with it anyway, so I'll just have to find one of my own.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, currently between MB diesels 

Re: [MBZ] Bio prices

[Russ Maki]

I was on the phone the other day with a fuel/oil distributor who's 
getting into biodiesel. For the record, Wolf Oil of Slinger, Wis.. He 
had me interested until he told me their price for B-100 -- $25+ for a 
5-gallon pail!! Boutique fuel, with an emphasis on the "boutique."



Ron Dwelle wrote:

Just went to fill up. B-20 bio-diesel is $0.10/gallon higher than dino. 
Trying to figure out how that could be. $3.199 for dino and $3.299 for 
B-20.


Ron Dwelle


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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane tires

[Russ Maki]

BillR wrote:



[BillR] You can get nasty can't you? 

No, that's not nasty, that's just sarcastic. You posted to a thread in 
which people were comparing notes on snow tires -- seeking information 
to safely navigate the icy hazards of the upcoming winter --  to gloat 
about living in the Sun Belt. That's my read, anyway.


My grandparents moved to the Finland of Florida, Lake Worth, in the 
early 1950s. I remember visiting as a kid -- you could literally hear 
people speaking Finnish on the street.


My mom and dad -- along with several other retired relatives -- wintered 
in Lake Worth for many years too. Their house got hit just once, when 
they lost about half their roof. They rebuilt but eventually left when 
my mother got ill, disillusioned with Florida's health-care system. She 
came back up north to die.


I'm sorry to hear about the hassles you're having with your SD, Bill. 
Hope it all works out .


Russ Maki

Re: [MBZ] overbored - was:Whats this stuff on my 240D

[Van Cleve]

 Philip

  Oops, I shoulda said "bore the sleeve". When you resleeve the engine you 
must have them bored to fit the pistons. (std) You can buy the oversized 
pistons and have the sleeves bored to fit them.  Which I did on the last 
rebuild I did,  Hay.. every little extra cube counts with 67 HP :-D


Steve


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rumor has it that Van wrote:

>
> There is no ridge at the top of the cyl
> walls but my plan is to have the block bored for o/s pistons.  So far the
> valve guides look good but will finish checking them out today.

I thought the 615 and 617 were sleeved. Can you bore those? Or do you
remove the sleeves, bore, and put it oversize sleeves, or 

Or I'm I just "loosing it"?

 Philip, "Inquiring minds want to know"

Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[Steve MacSween]

W, yes and no. I have in the past purchased three Mercedes that were
'referred' through notes on mailing lists.

I for one enjoy the fact that someone takes a minute to compile such lists
(just as Kaleb and others from time to time forward eBay links to
interesting cars).

Not everyone has the same expectations for this list, or any other list for
that matter. Some threads I read in their entirety, others I delete without
reading for days at a time.

As long as my delete key works, I don't have a problem with S/N ratio,
within civilized limits ;-).

Just my $0.02, etc.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> [list of Seattle cars deleted]
> 
> Clay,
> 
> please don't include me in the generalization "the rest of the list"
> that you use to justify what you seem to think of as a 'service' to the
> list; there's already too much noise on this list for me to support any
> more.
> do you understand that (thanks to the the wonder of the internet,) if
> we wanted to look at cars in seattle, it's as easy for any of us to
> look at that list as it is for you?   ;-*
> 
> if anyone were looking for cars there (or anywhere else), we could do
> it ourselves. moreover, if we were looking for cars out of our area, we
> certainly wouldn't limit ourselves to looking only there.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
>> 
>> Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
>> great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
>> for some new rides, no matter where they find them
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Clay
>> Seattle Bioburner
>> 
>> 1972 220D - Gump
>> 1995 E300D - Cleo
>> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
>> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>> 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[ernest breakfield]

[list of Seattle cars deleted]

Clay,

   please don't include me in the generalization "the rest of the list"
that you use to justify what you seem to think of as a 'service' to the
list; there's already too much noise on this list for me to support any
more.
   do you understand that (thanks to the the wonder of the internet,) if
we wanted to look at cars in seattle, it's as easy for any of us to
look at that list as it is for you?   ;-*

   if anyone were looking for cars there (or anywhere else), we could do
it ourselves. moreover, if we were looking for cars out of our area, we
certainly wouldn't limit ourselves to looking only there.


cheers!
e


>
> Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
> great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
> for some new rides, no matter where they find them
>
>
>
>
> --
> Clay
> Seattle Bioburner
>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[ernest breakfield]

[list of Seattle cars deleted]

Clay,


>
> Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
> great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
> for some new rides, no matter where they find them
>
>
>
>
> --
> Clay
> Seattle Bioburner
>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[Steve MacSween]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the
> great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling
> for some new rides, no matter where they find them

Love to see them all! Buy me a Dodge Ram Cummins and a three-car hawler and
I'll start dragging 'em back too.

Note to Mike: after seeing the condition of the 240d, my wrench is seriously
asking me to look for more cheap w123 diesels in the U.S. He can't believe
that car sat for months. After years of grumbling over having to work on my
Mercedes, you've almost done a conversion LoL.

Mac

[MBZ] Not for MAC cars

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101950791.html  --79 SD $2500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101939410.html  --88 TE $4500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101890368.html  --96 s320  $12k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101833413.html  --56 300c  $25k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101816329.html  --multi fuel

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101707253.html  --SEC Pair  $10k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101709428.html  --91 300e  $3500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101694295.html  --88 300e  $2k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101693246.html  --77 280 $1500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101688555.html  --97 E320  $11k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101669732.html  --85 380SE  $3500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101618834.html  --94 TE  $7400

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101618241.html  --89 190 $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101617113.html  --86 SEL  $3500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101597865.html  --87 190 $2300

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/101515468.html  --60 180b  $6500

Not mine, no affiliation, too bad is you do not want to see all the 
great Benz for sale out this way Mac, the rest of the list is drooling 
for some new rides, no matter where they find them





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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Diesel price

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> You need a tank for each product you are dispensing. If you want to add
> another, you need an extra tank. If they won't let you bury another tank,
> you either drop an existing product or don't add the new product.

Or use an above-ground tank, if you have the real estate.  Ever since
environmental regulations made it expensive to have buried tanks, I've
been seeing more above ground ones, especially for small-volume fuels
like kerosene.

Re: [MBZ] Bush warns of HUGE fuel increases this winter...WOW!

[David Brodbeck]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> I wasn't really implying anything, just making an
> observation. Yes, Fuel prices will lead to price
> inflation in general, but Europe has had high fuel
> prices forever and it's still cheaper to buy bulk
> fresh VO than it is to buy D2 or BioD (the cheapest
> fuel at the pump). We may be facing that scenario.

Europe's situations is categorically different, though.  European diesel
prices are high because of heavy taxation.  Agricutural use is tax
exempt, I believe.  If you subtract out the taxes, their fuel prices are
close to our own.

[MBZ] Which Alternator belt?

[Mike Piles]

How do I tell which alternator belt do I need?  non California 1985 300SD

Thanks
Mike Piles
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> How do I tell which alternator belt do I need?  non California 1985
> 300SD

Call Rusty: (800) 741-5252.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] opinions about the 124 vs. 126

[RAH]

>JabbaHursty wrote: 

>that's much more sporty than the 126, which is pure town car.

Huh? My 300SD with 230K  takes the curves,brakes, and does just about 
everything else better, than the '74(78K) and '79(5K) Town Cars I've driven. 
except maybe accelerate, but it passes fuel pumps more often! Besides that a 
126 IS the sexiest car on earth. (-:  Russ H.

Re: [MBZ] cheap SD

[Rick Knoble]

Kick down switch under the throttle pedal. I am going to check this one out
this week.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

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> Is that a B2 issue with the tranny?
>
> On Monday, October 3, 2005, at 04:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
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> >   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] 33 1/3 increase in Diesel fuel mileage...Huh?

[Marshall Field]

For the chemically inclined among us: If one were to add 1.5 oz of ordinary
store-bought Acetone to every 10 gallons of diesel fuel, would the acetone
in that concentration cause any damage to seals, gaskets, injector pumps
etc?

I ask this for I was listening to a Nationally syndicated late night talk
show last week, and the guest said he had great success in his gasser using
2.5 oz of acetone per 10 gallons and achieving a 1/3 increase in fuel
mileage. He also commented that this increase was possible only if he used
premium gasoline and the gasoline did not have an alcohol additive.

But what caught my ear was the guest's comments about improved diesel fuel
mileage.

So fellow listers, has anyone tried this acetone thing? IF so, share with
the rest of us!!

In any case, if you chemical types give the go ahead that adding acetone is
not harmful, then I am for trying it out in my own cars.

Marshall in Feenix

Re: [MBZ] W124 230E euro 5sp in PA

[Hendrik Riessen]

Hi Mitch,

The main problem with M102 motor is that you need to feed it good grade fuel 
otherwise it is a bit of a slug. The do a little better with the manual box 
but not much.

The M102 also likes to eat valves every now and then.
I am also not a great fan of the 124 chassis because of the lack of 
headroom/legroom when compared to the 123.
I guess Germans stopped wearing hats while driving sometime during the 123's 
reign.


Hendrik
84 230E auto running on 95 octane

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Found this ad, not a common car in these parts
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=190235590

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Re: [MBZ] 1965 Mercedes Diesel Unimog and Aussie Farmers v Petageniuses

[Steve MacSween]

> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>> I've seen pictures of those maggots on sheep...totally nasty. Is there
>> also
>> a parrot type bird out there that burrows into the flesh of sheep

You are thinking of rooks, possibly. They attack sheep and gouge out their
eyes. Nothing close to a parrot, tho.

mac

Re: [MBZ] 1965 Mercedes Diesel Unimog and Aussie Farmers v Petageniuses

[Hendrik Riessen]

Hi Gabriel,

No we don't have parrots who eat sheep far as I know.
The PETA mob need direction and focus on genuine cases of animal abuse such 
as the dancing bears in China etc.
However when they have a go at honest Farmers trying to look after their 
livelyhood then I will get stroppy.
The other day there was a picture in the local paper showing animal rights 
activists dressed only in G-strings protesting against mulesing. Now I would 
like to get those individuals over here and put them in the outback with 
their hands tied so they can't wipe their bums and then see how they like it 
when hundreds of flies use their crack as a nursery.
"Ohh we didn't realise there are so many flies in Australia, we thought it 
was like our nice suburban backyard where we sit and come up with our 
tactics. The real world is a scary place isn't it".


Hendrik


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I've seen pictures of those maggots on sheep...totally nasty. Is there 
also
a parrot type bird out there that burrows into the flesh of sheep or is 
that

New Zealand? As far as the P.E.T.A. comments go, those are welcome in my
book...peta is nothing more than a bunch of extremist, along with al 
quieda,

liberals, religious conservatives, rush limbaugh, hippes, etc.

On 10/3/05, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Andrew,

You go out and plough the fields with it or go extreme off roading(with 
25

hp.woppee).
The reason the gearshifter is long is to give you something to hold onto
when she tips over after attempting to go up a vertical incline. Then
again
the difference between men and boys is the length of the gear stick.
Or perhaps it is removable, in which case it would come in handy in case
the
peta greenies are still breathing after being run over(I'll apologize for
that remark in advance).
BTW in case any of you where wondering the reason we "mutilate" our sheep
over here is to stop them becoming flyblown. What is flyblown you city
folks
are wondering? Flyblown is when flies lay their eggs(which turn into
maggots) around the sheep's behind, which leads to a rather slow painful
death for the sheep involved(if not treated in time). Think thousands of
maggots eating you alive.
Mulesing is the practise of removing part of the folds around the sheep's
behind to discourage flies from laying eggs(remember sheep do have 
trouble
wiping their bottoms after going potty, this is where the term daggy 
comes

from).
Also consider that over here some sheep stations are measured in square
kilometres and it is unreal to expect a Farmer to check his sheep every
second day for maggot infestation.
Actually that is all a lie, our Farmers are all a bunch of sadistic 
brutes

who enjoy spending money on getting their flock mutilated(well, that is
what
the animal rights activist say anyway).

Hendrik
with a long gear stick(in the mog of course) and has seen flyblown
sheep(not
nice)

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> What do you do with this ungainly beast? Why is the gearshifter so 
> long?

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