Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Marshall Booth]

R A Bennell wrote:

OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in my 76 
300D. I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on this 
model. Do I need to fill the canister
with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?


Whoever advised you that there was NO primer pump on this model is 
IGNORANT. Still, it's a good idea to fill the filter with CLEAN diesel.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:

Thanks Gary,
You wrote:<< They can develop hairline fractures that are near impossible to 
see>>


I know all too well!  Had the same happen to me - the fuse that controls the 
brake lights and some other stuff had a crack I didn't see for a while.  I 
"checked" the fuss but not close enough to see the hairline crack - finally 
saw it arc and was able to fix it.


Now, I replace all fuses every 10-12 years.  That's was the 1st thing I did 
when I bought this car back in Feb of this year.


HOW can you replace fuses you haven't FOUND yet?

Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
> Haven't tried that - but I will - If this gets the ACC working, what does it 
> mean?  Does the ign switch need replacing?
> 
> BTW, my AC is working - I can hear and feel the compressor cutting in - but 
> the fan will not come on.

The 30A blower fuse is PROBABLY in a small black inline fuse holder 
fastened to the driver's side shock tower. Attached picture is from an 
87 300TD (fuse holder below ruler).

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:

Howdy -
Have 2 problems - 1st, the blower fan in the ACC system stopped today; 
naturally it's in the low 90s.  I seem to recall it hesitating - for maybe 2 
seconds, then it started blowing normally.  I confirmed the compressor is 
engaged..  Also checked the fuses and outside temp indicator - both were 
normal.


Any suggestions?  from reading the WSM it seems like I would need remove the 
glove box to get to the fan.  I plan to check connections if I can figure 
out what I need to check -  a loose wire would explain the short delay 
before the fan came on.  Unfortunately, today, the fan didn't come on at 
all.


2nd problem - the ACC Wiring Diagrams section 83-606, should have my wiring 
diagram.  But after going thru the pages 3 times I believe they're missing 
the 124.128 chassis - perhaps there's another similar chassis that works? 
Or perhaps the WDs for the ACC are still on the internet somewhere?


I REALLY don't know what workshop manual you are reading! The blower is 
under the wiper mechanism and can be reached by removing the wiper 
mechanism and opening the blower housing!


http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Climate/83-556.pdf

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] PnP peugot 4 casey

[redghost]

It is a wagon, four cylinder that I did not really look to see if it 
was stick or auto.  IP is still there, as I unhooked the injectors from 
it.


Does that sound like what you are looking for?

On Tuesday, July 11, 2006, at 03:58 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:

Clay, I wish I could say I did need parts for a Peugeot diesel, but 
alas, I
don't yet own an example of Gallic pride.  What model is it anyway?  
Quite
honestly, the only Goat I'm interested in, would be a 505 5spd 
turbodiesel
wagon.  I have some interest in the injection pump from a 505 
turbodiesel if

you ever stumble across one.

On 7/11/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Was at PnP this morning and found a diesel wagon.  Some monkey had
destroyed the exhaust manifold trying to get it off, but I was able to
rescue the injectors.

Casey, do you need parts from under the hood?


Casey

Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[redghost]

Complain to eBay, reverse charges on paypal, and seller may be booted  
from the site.  Might even get cash back


On Tuesday, July 11, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Zeitgeist wrote:

Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty  
Negative
Feedback, which should've been red flag enough.  I screwed up royale  
on this

one.

On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister.  Let me
state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here,  
but
nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented.  I've  
been
looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and  
faded

one in my TD.  I thought I'd found it:

"Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E.  
As
you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting  
brackets are
present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips.  item was  
pulled

from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional
models and years Payment must be received within three days from the  
auction

end."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ 
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140003138802


Sounds complete and excellent, huh?  Wrong!  This thing is tweaked,
badly.  It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the
glovebox.  There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge  
of the
top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the  
glovebox

door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of
complete worthlessness.  Upon closer inspection of the one photo in  
the ad,
I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the  
phrase

"complete dash panel" obscured my vision--dumb, huh?

The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I
promise), so what can I do now?  I paid through PayPal, does that  
change
anything?  Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough,  
but the

seller also deserves some blame here, correct?

Do I have any recourse at this point?

--
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] PnP peugot 4 casey

[Zeitgeist]

Clay, I wish I could say I did need parts for a Peugeot diesel, but alas, I
don't yet own an example of Gallic pride.  What model is it anyway?  Quite
honestly, the only Goat I'm interested in, would be a 505 5spd turbodiesel
wagon.  I have some interest in the injection pump from a 505 turbodiesel if
you ever stumble across one.

On 7/11/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Was at PnP this morning and found a diesel wagon.  Some monkey had
destroyed the exhaust manifold trying to get it off, but I was able to
rescue the injectors.

Casey, do you need parts from under the hood?


Casey

Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

Re: [MBZ] Overheating

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi

I recently put an injection pump in my 603.970.  Started right up and was
running great.  I was letting the engine idle in the drive way so the
thermostat would open and then I was going to top off the coolant.  I
walked away for a few minutes and when I came back the car was overheating
and the gauge was in the red.  I checked the thermostat and it opens.
However I replaced it with a new one any way.  Car still overheats.  I took
the waterpump out and there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it.  I
do hear a slight rubbing sound when I turn it by hand.  The car definitely
isn't getting any coolant through the upper hose.  I checked the oil and
there seems to be some antifreeze in the coolant now.  Prior to the
overheating there were no signs of coolant in the oil.  My questions are:
Since there is trace antifreeze in the oil does this definitiely mean the
head gasket cracked from the overheating?  Could a waterpump that seems to
be ok not circulate the coolant for anyother reason and  is there any other
possible reasons for the coolant not to circulate?  Car was sitting since
feb. before I replaced the injection pump.  When I fill the coolant from
the resoivoir should coolant fill up the radiator and come out the top
hose?


What you report is EXACTLY what will happen if there is a big air bubble 
in the cooling system. Rarely happens unless the head or head gasket has 
already failed. You CAN'T service the car by starting it and walking 
away! If you can stay there - DON'T start.


The water pump MAY be defective (should scrape) and if there is 
anti-freeze/coolant in the oil (or vice versa), then either the head or 
head gasket has failed. Both failures are very rare in that engine (but 
can happen). Usually that engine simple starts consuming oil at an 
outrageous rate!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[Curt Raymond]

Ole' Hammy the '83 240D is still working along on his last alternator, been 
about 7 months now. Used to go through one every 2 months or so. Last one he 
put in I also replaced the battery. My theory now is the junky old battery in 
there was eating 'em. He did find some bad wiring though, replaced some that 
was sans insulation but it ate another alternator between that and the battery 
replacement.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:44:03 -0400
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 
 

 
Just had the 3rd remanufactured  Bosch alternator go out and need to be
replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little over 
a
year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and Bosch reman
alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any experience with
these?
 
This is the second Indy to work on it-can't find any 'cause'. When I 
ask
about cause I get what the Car Talk guys call 'the mechanic's shrug.  
I have two specific questions:
 
Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the
alternators? 
Thanks.
Dwight 
 
 
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI



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Peter Frederick wrote:
> 
> Change the filter with the engine hot, it starts easire.

When I bought my 300SD, I checked the primer, it leaked.
When I got it home and wanted to change the filters, I
changed the prefilter and went shopping. When I got home I
changed the canister, restarted & tried to hold 2000rpm with the
throttle. It stumbled a bit, but cleared up in under a minute,
the fuel pump got the fuel there fast enough to keep it from dying.
Note that I didn't put anything in the filter or use the primer.
(generally, the middle of a filter is the clean side, so whatever you
pour in there goes straight to the IP, so I don't usually prefill
fuel filters)

Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[redghost]

Always my first and usually only call for parts

On Tuesday, July 11, 2006, at 06:51 AM, Tom Hargrave wrote:

Rusty has supported this group and it's predecessor (who was he,  
again??)
for years. And just because of this, he at least disserves our  
consideration

when ordering new parts!!!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:44 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

Who?

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

what about autohaus az?

Rusty Cullens wrote:


Actually the Parts Bin has the same Italian one I sell for $32.00 for
$39.00 see link below:

http://oem.thepartsbin.com/parts/thepartsbin/ 
quote2.jsp?product=12482602


43&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=&usemake=&returnurl=www.thepartsb 
i

n.com&Submit=Search

Sorry Harry. I am always less than The Parts Bin.

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Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

The Parts Bin has them for $65 OEM Bosch

Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata


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Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:34:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed


Russ, an el cheapo alternative would be to bid on the clear corners
offered on Ebay.  You can get both sides for $30 - $40  They're not
the

highest

quality (Taiwanese), but are inexpensive and look pretty good as well.
I
have a pair installed on my TD.

On 7/7/06, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in search of Drivers side (LH) cornering light Assy for a 94~95


E320


Sedan.
Anybody out there having a used  one they are willing to part with.


Let


me know
either here of at the email address above.
The lady this is for lives on a limited income and would rather not


have


to order the whole
Headlight Assy from Rusty (Sorry).

Unless Rusty can sell just the Cornering Assy.
The Local Dealer wants $125 for that Assy.




Casey


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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] PnP peugot 4 casey

[redghost]

Was at PnP this morning and found a diesel wagon.  Some monkey had 
destroyed the exhaust manifold trying to get it off, but I was able to 
rescue the injectors.


Casey, do you need parts from under the hood?


--
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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Diesel leak from top of IP??

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I first smelled then noticed a very slow trickle (but enough to see) of
   diesel coming from on top of the IP where the 5 lines go in.  Is there a
   gasket under these?  Why would they be leaking- I haven't loosened the
   lines.
   I  tell  those in my car the smell is a new air freshener.  Most don't
   recognize the smell of diesel.


This is a COMMON failure in OM60x engines (happened to one of the 7 
OM60x engines I've owned). The "O" rings on the delivery valve pipe 
fittings in about 2-3% of these pumps fail. Not a difficult repair. You 
need a the serrated socket to remove the pipe fitting (MB part # 617 589 
01 09 00). Get a few extra "O" rings. The pipe fitting must be torqued 
correctly.


http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/07.1-8627.pdf

Some people also replace the copper delivery valve seals while in there 
(at minimal cost) but in fact the delivery valve seals fail FAR less 
often than the "O" rings. You may or may not be able to get the "O" 
rings and seals from your Mercedes dealer. You CAN get them from a Bosch 
distributor!


Marshall

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Peter Frederick]

The primer pump is there to prime the filter, but it won't hurt to fill 
the canister, either.


It takes a long time with that tiny pump -- and if it is the old slyle, 
it is likely to start leaking when you operate it from dead rubber or 
leather parts.  Replace with the "thumb" style (sealed) as soon as 
possible, they are inexpensive.


Change the filter with the engine hot, it starts easire.

Cranking will run the battery flat at  least once, before it starts, 
don't do that.


Peter
On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:55 AM, R A Bennell wrote:

OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter 
in my 76 300D. I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on 
this model. Do I need to fill the canister

with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?

Randy B


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Re: [MBZ] 190d turbo

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

Really?  Marshall, what are the facts?

You are looking at a very rare 1987 190 D Turbo Diesel Mercedes Benz. Only
200 of these cars were brought over from europe into the United States


Fewer than 1400 were manufactured in 1987 (the ONLY year they were 
brought to the US). Many (maybe most) of them came to the US. I've seen 
WAY too many for there to only be 200 imported.


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Re: [MBZ] E320 CDI

[Mitch Haley]

Donald Snook wrote:
> 
> The 2005/06 CDI can run on the current supply of diesel. Correct?

Yes, but I think it will be happier when the new fuel becomes
available. The new stuff seems to be closer to what's sold
in Europe.

Re: [MBZ] Primer pump now leaks .

[Marshall Booth]

George Larribeau wrote:

I changed Oil and all filters Saturday, went to purge the air out of the fuel 
filter and the primer pump was squirting fuel out of itself. How hard are these 
things to change?


Unscrew the old one (NO problem if you wreck it), screw in the new one!

Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] OM617 run-hot symptoms (another question)

[Marshall Booth]

P. D. Ferguson wrote:

You would be better to modify a thermostat to stay in the full "open"
position, and will find it useful when you do your coolant flushes.



I did this with an old stat just to use for flushing the 
system with cold water by substituting a length of a nail for the brass 
pin--closes off the bypass and opens flow to the radiator.  Since I store 
the car in the winter, I am wondering if I could leave the modified 
stat(maybe come up with a better way of modifying it) in year round.  Any 
harm to running at lower temps and longer warm ups?  More pollution?


Fuel consumption and engine wear will skyrocket! When used just for 
short hops, fuel consumption in cold weather may ALMOST double. The 
purpose of the thermostat is to PREVENT cooling until the engine reaches 
the lower end of the optimal coolant temperature to minimize high wear 
and high fuel consumption that results when the engine is cooler than 
optimal. Until the engine reaches proper temp range, the fuel is not 
completely consumed.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

[MBZ] E320 CDI

[Donald Snook]

My father and Stepmother live in Biloxi, Mississippi and their house and
both cars were devastated in Hurricane Katrina.  After the Hurricane,
they went out and bought a new Honda Pilot which they love (it is pretty
nice) and they began work on their house. They had flood insurance so
they are better off than most.  Anyway, they settled with the Insurance
company for the house and cars and are just now prepared to buy a new
car. My father really liked my old 124 diesel and is considering a new
Mercedes.  The reason I am asking is that he is interested in the new
320CDI. My question is regarding fuel.  I know there was much discussion
about this recently but I am not sure my question was answered (why
would it be, I am just now asking).  

 

The 2005/06 CDI can run on the current supply of diesel. Correct? 

 

Will anything change when the new fuel comes on the market?  Can they
run the ultra-low sulfur fuel in the CDI?  

 

I told him if he buys one of these, he should definitely get the
extended warranty or buy a slightly used version that comes with the
100,000 Starmark warranty. 

 

Any other suggestions? 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 128K 

Re: [MBZ] Just like Christmas!!

[Tom Hargrave]

How high class! He must sneak it out when the neighbors aren't looking.

Thanks,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 4:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just like Christmas!!


the boat is 12' of sevylor plastic.  it is powered by a 3hp eska outboard
from the 70s

obviously, you guys need to buy more stuff!


On 7/11/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Randy B wrote:
>
>
>
> "Got my first order from Rusty yesterday. A new oil pan (cause someone
> in my car's past damaged the drain plug threads and then had it brazed
> ), the special wrenches to adjust the valves (yeah, I know it is said
> that it can be done with normal tools ), valve cover gaskets, oil
> filters, fuel filters, spare glow plugs, fuel tank strainer, air
> filters, fuses (so I can change them out in accordance with the usual
> advice of Marshall), spare injector return hose, fan belts, tranny
> filter and gasket, and power steering filters. Time to do some fluid
> changes and check valve clearance, chain stretch etc."
>
>
>
>
>
> With an order like that Rusty can make this month's and next month's
> boat payment!
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
> 1990 300SEL 128K
>
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Re: [MBZ] Need help locating Part of Manual 83-040

[Joe Knight]

Sending separately & direct an extract from the WIS, 83-140, Larry,
that looks like it might cover the issue.  Not too big a file; hope
your mail server doesn't choke on it.

joe

Re: [MBZ] Just like Christmas!!

[Rusty Cullens]

And.help get my daughter through graduate school!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:12 PM
To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just like Christmas!!

Randy B wrote:

 

"Got my first order from Rusty yesterday. A new oil pan (cause someone
in my car's past damaged the drain plug threads and then had it brazed
), the special wrenches to adjust the valves (yeah, I know it is said
that it can be done with normal tools ), valve cover gaskets, oil
filters, fuel filters, spare glow plugs, fuel tank strainer, air
filters, fuses (so I can change them out in accordance with the usual
advice of Marshall), spare injector return hose, fan belts, tranny
filter and gasket, and power steering filters. Time to do some fluid
changes and check valve clearance, chain stretch etc." 

 

 

With an order like that Rusty can make this month's and next month's
boat payment! 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 128K 

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Re: [MBZ] Just like Christmas!!

[Gary Hurst]

the boat is 12' of sevylor plastic.  it is powered by a 3hp eska outboard
from the 70s

obviously, you guys need to buy more stuff!


On 7/11/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Randy B wrote:



"Got my first order from Rusty yesterday. A new oil pan (cause someone
in my car's past damaged the drain plug threads and then had it brazed
), the special wrenches to adjust the valves (yeah, I know it is said
that it can be done with normal tools ), valve cover gaskets, oil
filters, fuel filters, spare glow plugs, fuel tank strainer, air
filters, fuses (so I can change them out in accordance with the usual
advice of Marshall), spare injector return hose, fan belts, tranny
filter and gasket, and power steering filters. Time to do some fluid
changes and check valve clearance, chain stretch etc."





With an order like that Rusty can make this month's and next month's
boat payment!



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 128K

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Re: [MBZ] Just like Christmas!!

[Donald Snook]

Randy B wrote:

 

"Got my first order from Rusty yesterday. A new oil pan (cause someone
in my car's past damaged the drain plug threads and then had it brazed
), the special wrenches to adjust the valves (yeah, I know it is said
that it can be done with normal tools ), valve cover gaskets, oil
filters, fuel filters, spare glow plugs, fuel tank strainer, air
filters, fuses (so I can change them out in accordance with the usual
advice of Marshall), spare injector return hose, fan belts, tranny
filter and gasket, and power steering filters. Time to do some fluid
changes and check valve clearance, chain stretch etc." 

 

 

With an order like that Rusty can make this month's and next month's
boat payment! 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 128K 

Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[Tom Hargrave]

The problem is that there are two types of rebuilders. There are those who
repair what's broken and there are those who do a complete tear down and
replace the diodes, regulator & bearings - they remanufacture alternators

There is nothing wrong with the ones that are repaired instead of
remanufactured, just don't expect them to last as long. Everything that was
not replaced is still wearing out.

Compare what Rusty sells to the big box stores and you'll note a huge price
difference - my bet is that Rusty sells the ones that are really rebuilt.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve MacSween
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator


on 7/11/06 2:48 PM, John Ervine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
>> Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the
>> alternators?
>> Thanks.
>> Dwight
>
> Another victim of "Bosch-in-box" rebuilds!

Yeah, I posted about this last winter IIRC. Not all "Bosch" branded rebuilt
electrical products are to Bosch dealer spec.

WHich is why, at least here in Kanuckistan, if you buy a "Bosch" product
from a big chain retailer (in Canada, Cdn Tire, I guess Pep Boys is the
rough equivalent in the USA), you can't use it as a core or get warranty
from an actual Bosch dealer.

The Bosch dealers display a fax from Bosch HQ, poster-size on their wall,
disclaiming responsibility for such products.

That being said, in our Northeast climate I can't remember when I got more
than 3 years give or take, from any 'rebuilt' alternator.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Andrew Cunningham]

Jim, I have it!

PIC12F508 is 8 pin Dip 125C temp range :: $0.72
For Vss any of the follow would work:
1)Connect pin 8 to pin 2
2) to pin 5
3) to ground directly
4) the top of resistor 4 to ground would work also

GP4 reads the input
GP1 provides the output
4 mhz internal xtal
Use the 256 prescaler with timer0 and a 2 byte counter

I have an ICD2 to program them if anyone wants to give it a shot.

Andy


On 7/3/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, nobody had a dead one to sacrifice at the altar of understanding,
so I'm putting that project away.  (I _know_ at least one or two have
been replaced out there, but I suppose the deaders were just thrown
away.  Not something _I'd_ ever do!)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/11/06 2:48 PM, John Ervine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
>> Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the
>> alternators? 
>> Thanks.
>> Dwight 
> 
> Another victim of "Bosch-in-box" rebuilds!

Yeah, I posted about this last winter IIRC. Not all "Bosch" branded rebuilt
electrical products are to Bosch dealer spec.

WHich is why, at least here in Kanuckistan, if you buy a "Bosch" product
from a big chain retailer (in Canada, Cdn Tire, I guess Pep Boys is the
rough equivalent in the USA), you can't use it as a core or get warranty
from an actual Bosch dealer.

The Bosch dealers display a fax from Bosch HQ, poster-size on their wall,
disclaiming responsibility for such products.

That being said, in our Northeast climate I can't remember when I got more
than 3 years give or take, from any 'rebuilt' alternator.

Mac

Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Luther Gulseth]

Ebay and PayPal are both smart and won't cut off the buyer.  The buyer funds 
the money, without a buyer, there is no sale, there is no fee, there is no 
money to be made by Ebay and PayPal.  My experience with a lying seller was 
plesant and ok.  PayPal took care of me.

Luther


John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Roger Conlon wrote:
> 
> > File a dispute with Paypal & Ebay.
> > I feel both have come along way to help
> > protect the buyer.
> 
> Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers.  Who do you think 
their 
> policies protect the most?
> 
> -- 
> John L. Ervine
> 1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi
> 1980 300TD 183+kmi
> 1980 300SD 277+kmi
> 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
> 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
> 1972 220 278+kmi
>
> 



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Mitch Haley]

R A Bennell wrote:
> 
> I was thinking more in the line of carrying a quart of atf in the trunk and 
> being able to use it for an
> emergency change of filter as well as being able to use it for the 
> transmission if needed 

I'd carry cheap stuff, synthetic oil doesn't burn well if you put it in the 
fuel filter. 
Could probably stretch your range by 3-5 miles if you run out of fuel too. 
I wouldn't carry diesel long-term unless it was in a well-sealed container, like
an aluminum camping fuel bottle.

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[R A Bennell]

I was thinking more in the line of carrying a quart of atf in the trunk and 
being able to use it for an emergency
change of filter as well as being able to use it for the transmission if needed 
so that one did not need to haul
around a bottle of fuel and of atf.

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q


Hmm, dunno.  I've never tried filling the filter with synthetic atf.  I'd
stick to normal simply for cost since you're just burning it anyway.  I have
heard that synthetic doesn't burn well, but I know I've had at least some
amount of synthetic motor oil in my fuel tank and it kept running, but at
100% if there was a problem with burning you'd find out...

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess that might be a good solution. I can certainly fill with diesel if
> doing this in my garage at home but I
> was also wondering about what I should do in the event that I ever
> encounter problems on the road away from home. I
> plan to carry spare filters with me and wondered if I needed to carry
> around a small can of diesel fuel. Having a
> bottle of atf in the trunk wouldn't be a bad thing anyway. Any further
> comments on whether synthetic atf is ok to
> run through the ip and engine in that manner is ok of if one should stick
> with more conventional atf?
>
> Randy B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q
>
>
> Whether or not you have a primer pump, the answers should be yes and yes.
>
> It should fill the filter on it's own, but you may have a dead battery
> first, or just adding a lot of wear and tear on your starter and battery
> if
> nothing else.
> It's always a good idea to fill the filter before you put it
> on.  Personally
> I use ATF to fill it.
>
> Levi
>
> On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in
> > my 76 300D. I have not done this before so
> > I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on
> this
> > model. Do I need to fill the canister
> > with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?
> >
> > Randy B
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[Rusty Cullens]

They have a 1 year warranty but we have not had any unusual problems
with them. We sell about 400 a year. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:44 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

 
 

 
Just had the 3rd remanufactured  Bosch alternator go out and need to be
replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little over a
year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and Bosch reman
alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any experience with
these?
 
This is the second Indy to work on it-can't find any 'cause'. When I ask
about cause I get what the Car Talk guys call 'the mechanic's shrug.  
I have two specific questions:
 
Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the
alternators? 
Thanks.
Dwight 
 
 
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Jeff Zedic]

Did you try phoning him??Isn't that his phone number as a location??

did it come from Denver CO?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 7/11/2006 10:46:17 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The  seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I
>  promise), so what can I do now?  I paid through PayPal, does that  change
> anything?  Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor  enough, but the
> seller also deserves some blame here,  correct?
>
> Do I have any recourse at this  point?



Casey,
 
I have had 3 occasions to protest a seller via PayPal.  What I learned  is 
you must be very careful about using their canned descriptions of the  
deficiency.   "Not as described" is too kind and does not fly.   Missing parts 
or 
defective parts is better.
 
Good luck,
 
Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Mitch Haley]

John Ervine wrote:
> 
> Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers.  Who do you think 
> their
> policies protect the most?

eBay has owned Paycrooks for several years now. 
Their policies protect their interests, not buyers or sellers. 
Paycrooks has been accused of taking the money back from the seller
and not returning it to the buyer. 

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Thompson wrote:
> 
> It's not about how long they last. It's about how scary they are in
> the wet. 

I've got the Douglas Xtra-Trac, drove them through a Michigan winter.
No traction problems noted, except on ice. Went through a pond twice
a day at 50mph for a couple of weeks in March. (I knew where the high
ground was, so I only had to go through 1-2" of water most of the time)
Have on occasion driven hard in wet and snow with the Xtra-Trac on the
front and the Contis on the back, only major disparity noted was the
back tires broke loose first in snow, but the Contis have more miles
on them so that's not unexpected. Subject vehicle is a 1995 Taurus,
all tires 205/65/15.

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[John Ervine]

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

Is there a support group for such victims?
Dwight


No - the targets of Bosch-in-a-box have no support, nor receive outreach from 
those who have yet to be victimized.


After all, it says Bosch on the outside of the box!  That means 'quality', 
doesn't it?


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi
1980 300TD 183+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Is there a support group for such victims?
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ervine
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 2:48 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator


Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
> Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the 
> alternators? Thanks.
> Dwight 

Another victim of "Bosch-in-box" rebuilds!

-- 
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi
1980 300TD 183+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[John Ervine]

Roger Conlon wrote:


File a dispute with Paypal & Ebay.
I feel both have come along way to help
protect the buyer.


Ebay and PayPal both are funded by sellers - not buyers.  Who do you think their 
policies protect the most?


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi
1980 300TD 183+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

I carry diesel Purge to fill the filter-on the road and at home. . 
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:45 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q


Hmm, dunno.  I've never tried filling the filter with synthetic atf.
I'd stick to normal simply for cost since you're just burning it anyway.
I have heard that synthetic doesn't burn well, but I know I've had at
least some amount of synthetic motor oil in my fuel tank and it kept
running, but at 100% if there was a problem with burning you'd find
out...

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess that might be a good solution. I can certainly fill with 
> diesel if doing this in my garage at home but I was also wondering 
> about what I should do in the event that I ever encounter problems on 
> the road away from home. I plan to carry spare filters with me and 
> wondered if I needed to carry around a small can of diesel fuel. 
> Having a bottle of atf in the trunk wouldn't be a bad thing anyway. 
> Any further comments on whether synthetic atf is ok to
> run through the ip and engine in that manner is ok of if one should
stick
> with more conventional atf?
>
> Randy B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q
>
>
> Whether or not you have a primer pump, the answers should be yes and 
> yes.
>
> It should fill the filter on it's own, but you may have a dead battery

> first, or just adding a lot of wear and tear on your starter and 
> battery if nothing else.
> It's always a good idea to fill the filter before you put it
> on.  Personally
> I use ATF to fill it.
>
> Levi
>
> On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel 
> > filter in my 76 300D. I have not done this before so I am soliciting

> > advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on
> this
> > model. Do I need to fill the canister
> > with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?
> >
> > Randy B
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[John Ervine]

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:


Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the
alternators? 
Thanks.
Dwight 


Another victim of "Bosch-in-box" rebuilds!

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 272+kmi
1980 300TD 183+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

[MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Roger Conlon]

Message: 15
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:13:58 -
From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Go through PayPal.  They will require an "expert opinion" on company
letterhead.  Then you take the dash to your local MB dealer and have them
write a letter stating why the dash isn't in "excellent condition".  Fax 
the

letter to PayPal and they will secure the funds to refund your money upon
return shipment to the seller.  It's not too painful, but will take a few
days.

Luther



File a dispute with Paypal & Ebay.
I feel both have come along way to help
protect the buyer.

Roger

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[MBZ] FW: '79 240D alternator

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

 
 

 
Just had the 3rd remanufactured  Bosch alternator go out and need to be
replaced on the Green Goddess.. This is the third one in a little over a
year.  I know Curt Raymond that problem with his  240D and Bosch reman
alternators before he sold it. Anyone else have any experience with
these?
 
This is the second Indy to work on it-can't find any 'cause'. When I ask
about cause I get what the Car Talk guys call 'the mechanic's shrug.  
I have two specific questions:
 
Has there been a run of bad reman Bosch alternators?
Any problems with the electrical system that could  be frying the
alternators? 
Thanks.
Dwight 
 
 
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI

Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Luther Gulseth]

Go through PayPal.  They will require an "expert opinion" on company 
letterhead.  Then you take the dash to your local MB dealer and have them 
write a letter stating why the dash isn't in "excellent condition".  Fax the 
letter to PayPal and they will secure the funds to refund your money upon 
return shipment to the seller.  It's not too painful, but will take a few 
days.

Luther

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Time to start surfing the eBay site map. I forget where it is, maybe under
> Trust and Safety (though something tells me they moved it out of there an
> put it under another heading), but there is a place to lodge fraud
> complaints.
> 
> IIRC PayPal will only back you up on non-receipt of goods, and then only for
> 30 days. 
> 
> But it's been a while since I had to deal with this (at the wrong end,
> actually, for a guy who went postal on me when a package was delayed in
> transit), so I'm sorta fuzzy.
> 
> It's bloody hard to get your hands on a living, breathing eBay employee to
> get action... but it can be done.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Mac
> 
> on 7/11/06 1:45 PM, Zeitgeist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty 
Negative
> > Feedback, which should've been red flag enough.  I screwed up royale on 
this
> > one.
> > 
> 



-- 
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Steve MacSween]

Time to start surfing the eBay site map. I forget where it is, maybe under
Trust and Safety (though something tells me they moved it out of there an
put it under another heading), but there is a place to lodge fraud
complaints.

IIRC PayPal will only back you up on non-receipt of goods, and then only for
30 days. 

But it's been a while since I had to deal with this (at the wrong end,
actually, for a guy who went postal on me when a package was delayed in
transit), so I'm sorta fuzzy.

It's bloody hard to get your hands on a living, breathing eBay employee to
get action... but it can be done.

Good luck

Mac

on 7/11/06 1:45 PM, Zeitgeist at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative
> Feedback, which should've been red flag enough.  I screwed up royale on this
> one.
> 
> On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister.  Let me
>> state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but
>> nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented.  I've been
>> looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded
>> one in my TD.  I thought I'd found it:
>> 
>> "Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As
>> you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are
>> present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips.  item was pulled
>> from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional
>> models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction
>> end."
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=1400031388
>> 02
>> 
>> Sounds complete and excellent, huh?  Wrong!  This thing is tweaked,
>> badly.  It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the
>> glovebox.  There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the
>> top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox
>> door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of
>> complete worthlessness.  Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad,
>> I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase
>> "complete dash panel" obscured my vision--dumb, huh?
>> 
>> The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I
>> promise), so what can I do now?  I paid through PayPal, does that change
>> anything?  Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the
>> seller also deserves some blame here, correct?
>> 
>> Do I have any recourse at this point?
>> 
>> --
>> Casey
>> Olympia, WA
>> Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
>> '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
>> '84 300D (214k)
>> Gashuffer:
>> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
>> http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD

[Ed Booher]

Pish posh, was it a 123 or a 108? NO! You both lost!  Muhahahahahahaah!

On 7/8/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I prefer the 126 body to the 124 as well as ivory to white -- so I'd say he won.

On 7/8/06, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Immaculate ivory 83 300SD (130kmi) pulled in space beside me today trying to
> make my showroom 87 300D look bad -- may have a little bit only because I
> like ivory better than the white on mine.
>
> Wilton

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Gary Thompson]

It's not about how long they last. It's about how scary they are in
the wet. PO put cheapy Douglas tires on my old W123 (probably just to
get it to pass inspection so he could sell it), and it would try to
swap ends quite often in the rain. Not a good thing.  These were
relatively new tires. I managed to live with them for about 8000 miles
before I replaced them with Khumo 795's. Much more sure footed, and
quieter to boot. Not much more expensive either.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 7/11/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Loren Faeth wrote:
> I have found in the past 2-3 years that i can buy Contis (Contact touring)
> for less than the price just about anything else available that is a decent
> tire.  (S rated or better)  I do not consider the wallyland  29.95 Douglas
> tires to be decent tires.

I bought a couple of those Douglas tires last December, seem at least
as good as the 5 year old Conti Touring that are on the other two wheels.
Have about 40k on the Conti and 5k on the Douglas now.

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Zeitgeist]

Oh, I forgot to mention that the seller also has some rather nasty Negative
Feedback, which should've been red flag enough.  I screwed up royale on this
one.

On 7/11/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister.  Let me
state at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but
nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented.  I've been
looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded
one in my TD.  I thought I'd found it:

"Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As
you can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are
present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips.  item was pulled
from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional
models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction
end."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140003138802

Sounds complete and excellent, huh?  Wrong!  This thing is tweaked,
badly.  It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the
glovebox.  There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the
top, while the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox
door won't open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of
complete worthlessness.  Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad,
I can now see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase
"complete dash panel" obscured my vision--dumb, huh?

The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I
promise), so what can I do now?  I paid through PayPal, does that change
anything?  Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the
seller also deserves some blame here, correct?

Do I have any recourse at this point?

--
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG





--
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG

[MBZ] Ebay bummer - dope slap for dummy

[Zeitgeist]

Well, if finally happened...I got taken by an Ebay scheister.  Let me state
at the outset that I screwed up and didn't do my homework here, but
nevertheless, the item in question was not fairly represented.  I've been
looking for some time now for a newer dash to replace the cracked and faded
one in my TD.  I thought I'd found it:

"Up for sale us a used complete dash panel from a 1992 Mercedes 300E. As you
can see this item is in excellent condition, all mounting brackets are
present while the top doesn't suffer from tears or rips.  item was pulled
from a 1992 Mercedes 300E Please do additional research for additional
models and years Payment must be received within three days from the auction
end."
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140003138802

Sounds complete and excellent, huh?  Wrong!  This thing is tweaked, badly.
It's missing both the pieces of wood trim to the left of the glovebox.
There appears to be crash impact dents on the front edge of the top, while
the lower edge is twisted and distorted, so that the glovebox door won't
open or close correctly; essentially this thing is $130 of complete
worthlessness.  Upon closer inspection of the one photo in the ad, I can now
see that the wood trim is missing, but at the time the phrase "complete dash
panel" obscured my vision--dumb, huh?

The seller hasn't returned my email complaints (they were cordial, I
promise), so what can I do now?  I paid through PayPal, does that change
anything?  Like I said, I admit to not caveating my emptor enough, but the
seller also deserves some blame here, correct?

Do I have any recourse at this point?

-- 
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Andrew Cunningham]

Jim,

What does the pin connection look? Would it be easier to put a PIC on a
different board in that location?

Andy


On 7/3/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, nobody had a dead one to sacrifice at the altar of understanding,
so I'm putting that project away.  (I _know_ at least one or two have
been replaced out there, but I suppose the deaders were just thrown
away.  Not something _I'd_ ever do!)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Need help locating Part of Manual 83-040

[LarryT]

Howdy -
Am trying to dig down to the fan motor - the instructions say to remove the 
w'shield wiper motor - but 1st I need to remove the Fresh Air Intake 
Screen - and the manual refers me to Workshop Manual section 83-040  - but 
my CD did not come with that section.


Anyone have it - or can tell me how to remove the screen?  The center 
section pulls out revealing a couple of drains - the main screen seems 
pretty solid and I can't figure out how it comes out.


Help?? ;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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.
- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T



Thanks Gary,
You wrote:<< They can develop hairline fractures that are near impossible 
to

see>>

I know all too well!  Had the same happen to me - the fuse that controls 
the

brake lights and some other stuff had a crack I didn't see for a while.  I
"checked" the fuss but not close enough to see the hairline crack - 
finally

saw it arc and was able to fix it.

Now, I replace all fuses every 10-12 years.  That's was the 1st thing I 
did

when I bought this car back in Feb of this year.

Thanks for the help!!

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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.
- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T



Larry,

On my 95, at least, the blower fuse looks exactly like the glow plug
fuse, only 30A instead of 80A. Take a look at the one you think is the
glow plug fuse. May really be for the blower.

On a side note, I learned the hard way that a visual inspection of
these fuses in situ is not sufficient to tell if they are good. They
can develop hairline fractures that are near impossible to see, and
even work part of the time. I've seen one of these that would work in
the cool morning air, but fail in the afternoon when it got warmer.
You have to actually pull the strip fuse and tweak it a little to
verify it's still good.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 7/11/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Haven't tried that - but I will - If this gets the ACC working, what 
does

it
mean?  Does the ign switch need replacing?

BTW, my AC is working - I can hear and feel the compressor cutting in -
but
the fan will not come on.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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.
- Original Message -
From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T


> Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
> bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.
>
> Tom Potter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
> Hi Trampas,
> I tried the kicking method - no luck - then I looked for the fuse.  I
> found
> the main GP 80A fuse directly in front (bumper side)  of the master
> fuse
>
> box - at least I believe it's the main fuse for the GPs.  Then I 
> looked

> inside the master fuse box - the label said the fan motor was outside
> the
> fusebox.  But I haven't found it.  Along side the fuse box is a plug
> type
> affair - I unplugged it and it looks like an aluminum male plug going
> into a
> alum female receptacle.  Does that have anything to do with it?
>
> I'm getting ready to search my workshop manuals & "The Bible" for info
> on
> R&R'ing the motor/cage along with any fuse location info - but they
> kinda
> assume the reader is able to find fuses! ;-\
>
> I'd like to change it myself - for the satisfaction.  And I'll know 
> how

> to
> do it next time - I plan to keep this car a long time.   It just 
> turned

> 107k - it wasn't driven regularily before we bought it last Feb - so I
> think
> these kinds of problems are inevitable - but should be fixed easily.
>
> Thanks again for sharing your "hands-on experience" !
>
> ;-)
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Chuck Landenberger]

Randy,

You may want to consider periodically using Diesel Purge to fill the  
new fuel filter.


Not as good as the suggested method, but works and less trouble.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Jul 11, 2006, at 9:44 AM, R A Bennell wrote:

I guess that might be a good solution. I can certainly fill with  
diesel if doing this in my garage at home but I
was also wondering about what I should do in the event that I ever  
encounter problems on the road away from home. I
plan to carry spare filters with me and wondered if I needed to  
carry around a small can of diesel fuel. Having a
bottle of atf in the trunk wouldn't be a bad thing anyway. Any  
further comments on whether synthetic atf is ok to
run through the ip and engine in that manner is ok of if one should  
stick with more conventional atf?


Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q


Whether or not you have a primer pump, the answers should be yes  
and yes.


It should fill the filter on it's own, but you may have a dead battery
first, or just adding a lot of wear and tear on your starter and  
battery if

nothing else.
It's always a good idea to fill the filter before you put it on.   
Personally

I use ATF to fill it.

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel  
filter in

my 76 300D. I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump  
on this

model. Do I need to fill the canister
with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?

Randy B





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Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Levi Smith]

Hmm, dunno.  I've never tried filling the filter with synthetic atf.  I'd
stick to normal simply for cost since you're just burning it anyway.  I have
heard that synthetic doesn't burn well, but I know I've had at least some
amount of synthetic motor oil in my fuel tank and it kept running, but at
100% if there was a problem with burning you'd find out...

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I guess that might be a good solution. I can certainly fill with diesel if
doing this in my garage at home but I
was also wondering about what I should do in the event that I ever
encounter problems on the road away from home. I
plan to carry spare filters with me and wondered if I needed to carry
around a small can of diesel fuel. Having a
bottle of atf in the trunk wouldn't be a bad thing anyway. Any further
comments on whether synthetic atf is ok to
run through the ip and engine in that manner is ok of if one should stick
with more conventional atf?

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q


Whether or not you have a primer pump, the answers should be yes and yes.

It should fill the filter on it's own, but you may have a dead battery
first, or just adding a lot of wear and tear on your starter and battery
if
nothing else.
It's always a good idea to fill the filter before you put it
on.  Personally
I use ATF to fill it.

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in
> my 76 300D. I have not done this before so
> I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on
this
> model. Do I need to fill the canister
> with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?
>
> Randy B
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[R A Bennell]

Don't know. Will have to look. Was told there is not a primer pump on this 
older model but maybe he just meant it
was different than the newer models. It is a 76 300D so a 115 model. Can't 
recall off the top of my head what the
engine # is.

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:31 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q



In a message dated 7/11/2006 8:51:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

OK, I  know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in my
76 300D.  I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that  there is no primer pump on this
model. Do I need to fill the canister
with  fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long  enough?



Randy,

Definitely fill the filter, the less air left, the better.  You should  have
a priming pump, do you not see a plastic knurled knob, down on the side of
the injection pump?  It unscrews CCW, then the pump is operated by  push/pulling
the knob.  If you have ANY fuel leakage during this operation,  call Rusty,
and replace the primer pump.

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[R A Bennell]

I guess that might be a good solution. I can certainly fill with diesel if 
doing this in my garage at home but I
was also wondering about what I should do in the event that I ever encounter 
problems on the road away from home. I
plan to carry spare filters with me and wondered if I needed to carry around a 
small can of diesel fuel. Having a
bottle of atf in the trunk wouldn't be a bad thing anyway. Any further comments 
on whether synthetic atf is ok to
run through the ip and engine in that manner is ok of if one should stick with 
more conventional atf?

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q


Whether or not you have a primer pump, the answers should be yes and yes.

It should fill the filter on it's own, but you may have a dead battery
first, or just adding a lot of wear and tear on your starter and battery if
nothing else.
It's always a good idea to fill the filter before you put it on.  Personally
I use ATF to fill it.

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in
> my 76 300D. I have not done this before so
> I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on this
> model. Do I need to fill the canister
> with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?
>
> Randy B
>
>

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 7/11/2006 8:51:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

OK, I  know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in my 
76 300D.  I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that  there is no primer pump on this 
model. Do I need to fill the canister
with  fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long  enough?



Randy,
 
Definitely fill the filter, the less air left, the better.  You should  have 
a priming pump, do you not see a plastic knurled knob, down on the side of  
the injection pump?  It unscrews CCW, then the pump is operated by  
push/pulling 
the knob.  If you have ANY fuel leakage during this operation,  call Rusty, 
and replace the primer pump.
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[Levi Smith]

Whether or not you have a primer pump, the answers should be yes and yes.

It should fill the filter on it's own, but you may have a dead battery
first, or just adding a lot of wear and tear on your starter and battery if
nothing else.
It's always a good idea to fill the filter before you put it on.  Personally
I use ATF to fill it.

Levi

On 7/11/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in
my 76 300D. I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on this
model. Do I need to fill the canister
with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?

Randy B


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[MBZ] Just like Christmas!!

[R A Bennell]

Got my first order from Rusty yesterday. A whole whack of stuff to play with. A 
new oil pan (cause someone in my
car's past damaged the drain plug threads and then had it brazed ), the special 
wrenches to adjust the valves
(yeah, I know it is said that it can be done with normal tools ), valve cover 
gaskets, oil filters, fuel filters,
spare glow plugs, fuel tank strainer, air filters, fuses (so I can change them 
out in accordance with the usual
advice of Marshall), spare injector return hose, fan belts, tranny filter and 
gasket, and power steering filters.
Time to do some fluid changes and check valve clearance, chain stretch etc. 
Watch for the questions to come.

Randy B

[MBZ] Changing out the Fuel Filter Q

[R A Bennell]

OK, I know this is pretty basic, but I plan to change the fuel filter in my 76 
300D. I have not done this before so
I am soliciting advice. I am advised that there is no primer pump on this 
model. Do I need to fill the canister
with fuel or will it prime itself if I crank it long enough?

Randy B

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[LarryT]

Thanks Gary,
You wrote:<< They can develop hairline fractures that are near impossible to 
see>>


I know all too well!  Had the same happen to me - the fuse that controls the 
brake lights and some other stuff had a crack I didn't see for a while.  I 
"checked" the fuss but not close enough to see the hairline crack - finally 
saw it arc and was able to fix it.


Now, I replace all fuses every 10-12 years.  That's was the 1st thing I did 
when I bought this car back in Feb of this year.


Thanks for the help!!

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T



Larry,

On my 95, at least, the blower fuse looks exactly like the glow plug
fuse, only 30A instead of 80A. Take a look at the one you think is the
glow plug fuse. May really be for the blower.

On a side note, I learned the hard way that a visual inspection of
these fuses in situ is not sufficient to tell if they are good. They
can develop hairline fractures that are near impossible to see, and
even work part of the time. I've seen one of these that would work in
the cool morning air, but fail in the afternoon when it got warmer.
You have to actually pull the strip fuse and tweak it a little to
verify it's still good.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 7/11/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Haven't tried that - but I will - If this gets the ACC working, what does 
it

mean?  Does the ign switch need replacing?

BTW, my AC is working - I can hear and feel the compressor cutting in - 
but

the fan will not come on.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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.
- Original Message -
From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T


> Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
> bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.
>
> Tom Potter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
> Hi Trampas,
> I tried the kicking method - no luck - then I looked for the fuse.  I
> found
> the main GP 80A fuse directly in front (bumper side)  of the master 
> fuse

>
> box - at least I believe it's the main fuse for the GPs.  Then I looked
> inside the master fuse box - the label said the fan motor was outside
> the
> fusebox.  But I haven't found it.  Along side the fuse box is a plug
> type
> affair - I unplugged it and it looks like an aluminum male plug going
> into a
> alum female receptacle.  Does that have anything to do with it?
>
> I'm getting ready to search my workshop manuals & "The Bible" for info
> on
> R&R'ing the motor/cage along with any fuse location info - but they
> kinda
> assume the reader is able to find fuses! ;-\
>
> I'd like to change it myself - for the satisfaction.  And I'll know how
> to
> do it next time - I plan to keep this car a long time.   It just turned
> 107k - it wasn't driven regularily before we bought it last Feb - so I
> think
> these kinds of problems are inevitable - but should be fixed easily.
>
> Thanks again for sharing your "hands-on experience" !
>
> ;-)
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
> .
> - Original Message -
> From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
>
>> Try kicking under the passenger dash. Usually the brushes on the
> blower
>> motor goes bad around 150k miles. Kicking under the passenger dash
> will
>> make
>> it work for a bit longer, at least long enough to call Rusty.
>>
>> Also check fuse under hood on driver's fender, it is not with other
> fuses
>> but in it's own black case. If it is good order a spare from Rusty and
>
>> keep
>> in dash, they will eventually fail due to vibration.
>>
>> Note the blower motor can be ordered with or with out squirrel cage. I
>
>> order
>> with out, which is cheaper, then use an air hammer to remove squirrel
>> cage.
>> To do this hold squirrel cage and use air ham

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Mitch Haley]

Loren Faeth wrote:
> I have found in the past 2-3 years that i can buy Contis (Contact touring)
> for less than the price just about anything else available that is a decent
> tire.  (S rated or better)  I do not consider the wallyland  29.95 Douglas
> tires to be decent tires.

I bought a couple of those Douglas tires last December, seem at least
as good as the 5 year old Conti Touring that are on the other two wheels. 
Have about 40k on the Conti and 5k on the Douglas now.

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Potter, Tom E]

It means that the electrical portion of the ignition switch is
malfunctioning--usually from wear. Replacement is not overly expensive
or time consuming.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

Haven't tried that - but I will - If this gets the ACC working, what
does it 
mean?  Does the ign switch need replacing?

BTW, my AC is working - I can hear and feel the compressor cutting in -
but 
the fan will not come on.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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.
- Original Message - 
From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T


> Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
> bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.
>
> Tom Potter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
> Hi Trampas,
> I tried the kicking method - no luck - then I looked for the fuse.  I
> found
> the main GP 80A fuse directly in front (bumper side)  of the master
fuse
>
> box - at least I believe it's the main fuse for the GPs.  Then I
looked
> inside the master fuse box - the label said the fan motor was outside
> the
> fusebox.  But I haven't found it.  Along side the fuse box is a plug
> type
> affair - I unplugged it and it looks like an aluminum male plug going
> into a
> alum female receptacle.  Does that have anything to do with it?
>
> I'm getting ready to search my workshop manuals & "The Bible" for info
> on
> R&R'ing the motor/cage along with any fuse location info - but they
> kinda
> assume the reader is able to find fuses! ;-\
>
> I'd like to change it myself - for the satisfaction.  And I'll know
how
> to
> do it next time - I plan to keep this car a long time.   It just
turned
> 107k - it wasn't driven regularily before we bought it last Feb - so I
> think
> these kinds of problems are inevitable - but should be fixed easily.
>
> Thanks again for sharing your "hands-on experience" !
>
> ;-)
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
> .
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
>
>> Try kicking under the passenger dash. Usually the brushes on the
> blower
>> motor goes bad around 150k miles. Kicking under the passenger dash
> will
>> make
>> it work for a bit longer, at least long enough to call Rusty.
>>
>> Also check fuse under hood on driver's fender, it is not with other
> fuses
>> but in it's own black case. If it is good order a spare from Rusty
and
>
>> keep
>> in dash, they will eventually fail due to vibration.
>>
>> Note the blower motor can be ordered with or with out squirrel cage.
I
>
>> order
>> with out, which is cheaper, then use an air hammer to remove squirrel
>> cage.
>> To do this hold squirrel cage and use air hammer on motor shaft, old
> otor
>> will fall to ground. I have done about 6 blower motors this way and
> have
>> never broken plastic squirrel cage.
>>
>> Trampas
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of LarryT
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:55 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>>
>> Howdy -
>> Have 2 problems - 1st, the blower fan in the ACC system stopped
today;
>> naturally it's in the low 90s.  I seem to recall it hesitating - for
> maybe
>> 2
>>
>> seconds, then it started blowing normally.  I confirmed the
compressor
> is
>> engaged..  Also checked the fuses and outside temp indicator - both
> were
>> normal.
>>
>> Any suggestions?  from reading the WSM it seems like I would need
> remove
>> the
>>
>> glove box to get to the fan.  I plan to check connections if I can
> figure
>> out what I need to check -  a loose wire would explain the short
delay
>> before the fan came on.  Unfortunately, today, the fan didn't come on
> at
>> all.
>>
>> 2nd problem - the ACC Wiring Diagrams section 83-606, should have my
>> wiring
>> diagram.  But after going thru the pages 3 times I believe they're
> missing
>> the 124.128 chassis - perhaps there's another simi

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[Jeff Zedic]

Firestone in general are all shit and should be avoided at any 
coststhey consistently perform at the bottom of the charts in 
testing against their peers.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] project for Jim C

[Mike Canfield]

Exactly...All they are for is pulling.  Better traction to pull a plow, 
etc. than a rubber tire tractor.  Many farmers around here used them for log 
skidders.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] project for Jim C



Curt Raymond wrote:


  Caterpiller "lawn tractor" is my favorite. I bet it weighs 7000#


Not "lawn tractor", "yard tractor". I think that means that you can
put a log chain on the drawbar and tow scrap vehicles around the yard.
What else are you going to do with a Cat that has neither blade nor
bucket?
If it were in Michigan, I'd offer up to 50% more than scrap metal
value for it. A friend of mine has a similar vintage (but not Cat
brand) crawler/loader/backhoe with worn out carriage and it is not
worth 1/3 the cost of new bogies/tracks.

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Re: [MBZ] Overheating

[Jeff Zedic]

Perhaps you mised my earlier post to this very simple problem. You have 
a bubble in the system. Drain it again and this time, fill the system 
from the top rad hose and all will be fine.


Unless you had an overheating problem before you replaced the coolant, 
this is the cure!


Keep it simple!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] OT 500 PPM low sulphur ..

[Marshall Booth]

redghost wrote:
It would reduce the perceived pain felt at the pump.  While up in the 
great white north last month, I purchased fuel at Petro Canada for a 
measly $1.12/liter.  That is much better than the horrid price of 
$3.11/gal I pay at home.


I have four little bridges that you really MUST buy. Each one crosses 
about a quarter of a river!


Marshall
--
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Gary Thompson]

Larry,

On my 95, at least, the blower fuse looks exactly like the glow plug
fuse, only 30A instead of 80A. Take a look at the one you think is the
glow plug fuse. May really be for the blower.

On a side note, I learned the hard way that a visual inspection of
these fuses in situ is not sufficient to tell if they are good. They
can develop hairline fractures that are near impossible to see, and
even work part of the time. I've seen one of these that would work in
the cool morning air, but fail in the afternoon when it got warmer.
You have to actually pull the strip fuse and tweak it a little to
verify it's still good.


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 7/11/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Haven't tried that - but I will - If this gets the ACC working, what does it
mean?  Does the ign switch need replacing?

BTW, my AC is working - I can hear and feel the compressor cutting in - but
the fan will not come on.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.
- Original Message -
From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T


> Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
> bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.
>
> Tom Potter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
> Hi Trampas,
> I tried the kicking method - no luck - then I looked for the fuse.  I
> found
> the main GP 80A fuse directly in front (bumper side)  of the master fuse
>
> box - at least I believe it's the main fuse for the GPs.  Then I looked
> inside the master fuse box - the label said the fan motor was outside
> the
> fusebox.  But I haven't found it.  Along side the fuse box is a plug
> type
> affair - I unplugged it and it looks like an aluminum male plug going
> into a
> alum female receptacle.  Does that have anything to do with it?
>
> I'm getting ready to search my workshop manuals & "The Bible" for info
> on
> R&R'ing the motor/cage along with any fuse location info - but they
> kinda
> assume the reader is able to find fuses! ;-\
>
> I'd like to change it myself - for the satisfaction.  And I'll know how
> to
> do it next time - I plan to keep this car a long time.   It just turned
> 107k - it wasn't driven regularily before we bought it last Feb - so I
> think
> these kinds of problems are inevitable - but should be fixed easily.
>
> Thanks again for sharing your "hands-on experience" !
>
> ;-)
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
> .
> - Original Message -
> From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
>
>> Try kicking under the passenger dash. Usually the brushes on the
> blower
>> motor goes bad around 150k miles. Kicking under the passenger dash
> will
>> make
>> it work for a bit longer, at least long enough to call Rusty.
>>
>> Also check fuse under hood on driver's fender, it is not with other
> fuses
>> but in it's own black case. If it is good order a spare from Rusty and
>
>> keep
>> in dash, they will eventually fail due to vibration.
>>
>> Note the blower motor can be ordered with or with out squirrel cage. I
>
>> order
>> with out, which is cheaper, then use an air hammer to remove squirrel
>> cage.
>> To do this hold squirrel cage and use air hammer on motor shaft, old
> otor
>> will fall to ground. I have done about 6 blower motors this way and
> have
>> never broken plastic squirrel cage.
>>
>> Trampas
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of LarryT
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:55 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>>
>> Howdy -
>> Have 2 problems - 1st, the blower fan in the ACC system stopped today;
>> naturally it's in the low 90s.  I seem to recall it hesitating - for
> maybe
>> 2
>>
>> seconds, then it started blowing normally.  I confirmed the compressor
> is
>> engaged..  Also checked the fuses and outside temp indicator - both
> were
>> normal.
>>
>> Any suggestions?  from reading the WSM it seems like I would need
> remove
>> the
>>
>> glove box to get to the fan.  I plan to check connections if I can
> figure
>> out what I need to check -  a loose wire would explain the s

Re: [MBZ] 77 MB 200-series

[Loren Faeth]

I have a euro engine i'd sell   280 twin cam

At 09:37 AM 7/11/2006, you wrote:

You cant hardly give those cars away, the engine are dogs in the US
form.  Will have the other typical 116 stuff to deal with.

Roger Conlon wrote:

>
> 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-LOW-RESERVE-1977-MERCEDES-BENZ-6CYL-280SE-MOONROOF-LOW-RESEVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6329QQihZ018QQitemZ280004488275QQrdZ1QQtcZphoto 


>
>
> Ebay Item: 280004488275
>
> Any know if parts are hard to find for this model and are they gold
> plated $$$?
>
> Fuel issues?
>
> I DONT RECOMEND DRIVING IT HOME JUST YET, I HAVE TAKEN GOOD CARE OF THE
> OLD CAR BUT AGAIN FROM SITTING IT DOES NOT WANT TO STAY RUNNING TO DRIVE
> BUT IT WILL SIT AND IDLE ALL DAY LONG, IT SHOULD CRAWL AT IDLE ONTO A
> TRAILER.
>
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  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Loren Faeth]

How true!   I also tried the generals from Sams.  Wear fast and slip 
belts.  The goodyear allegra from sams, also in 205/65 15 for the SDL have 
held up ok.  They just cost more than they are worth, and you have to put 
up with all the Sams BS.  Sears, Sams and all such places have lines only 
sold there, and they don't purchase the Mfgr warranty.  The warranty is 
only good at t the joint you bought them from.  They may carry the same 
brand and type as those available at your friendly local tire store, but 
they are NOT the same.  In general, the big name tires sold retail that are 
the same sizes as they sell to carmakers are the rejects the carmaker won't 
take. When dealing with US tiremakers, and I include Bridgerock in that 
lot, you often get better tires not wearing the big-name brand.  Way back 
when, the snears MIchelins were as good as the Michelins for a lot less 
money.  (They all slipped belts)  Not so  any more.


I have found in the past 2-3 years that i can buy Contis (Contact touring) 
for less than the price just about anything else available that is a decent 
tire.  (S rated or better)  I do not consider the wallyland  29.95 Douglas 
tires to be decent tires.


At 08:47 AM 7/11/2006, you wrote:

Apparently, just
like everything else, the large chains have the manufacturers make them a
line of tires to their specs so they can sell them cheaperBuyer
beware.

Re: [MBZ] 77 MB 200-series

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You cant hardly give those cars away, the engine are dogs in the US 
form.  Will have the other typical 116 stuff to deal with.


Roger Conlon wrote:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-LOW-RESERVE-1977-MERCEDES-BENZ-6CYL-280SE-MOONROOF-LOW-RESEVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6329QQihZ018QQitemZ280004488275QQrdZ1QQtcZphoto 



Ebay Item: 280004488275

Any know if parts are hard to find for this model and are they gold 
plated $$$?


Fuel issues?

I DONT RECOMEND DRIVING IT HOME JUST YET, I HAVE TAKEN GOOD CARE OF THE 
OLD CAR BUT AGAIN FROM SITTING IT DOES NOT WANT TO STAY RUNNING TO DRIVE 
BUT IT WILL SIT AND IDLE ALL DAY LONG, IT SHOULD CRAWL AT IDLE ONTO A 
TRAILER.


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] 77 MB 200-series

[Roger Conlon]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-LOW-RESERVE-1977-MERCEDES-BENZ-6CYL-280SE-MOONROOF-LOW-RESEVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6329QQihZ018QQitemZ280004488275QQrdZ1QQtcZphoto

Ebay Item: 280004488275

Any know if parts are hard to find for this model and are they gold plated 
$$$?


Fuel issues?

I DONT RECOMEND DRIVING IT HOME JUST YET, I HAVE TAKEN GOOD CARE OF THE OLD 
CAR BUT AGAIN FROM SITTING IT DOES NOT WANT TO STAY RUNNING TO DRIVE BUT IT 
WILL SIT AND IDLE ALL DAY LONG, IT SHOULD CRAWL AT IDLE ONTO A TRAILER.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea Rusty, I think we need to revisit this issue sometime soon.

Tom Hargrave wrote:


Rusty has supported this group and it's predecessor (who was he, again??)
for years. And just because of this, he at least disserves our consideration
when ordering new parts!!!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com


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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh boy, here we ago again.

Mike Canfield wrote:

Also to be mentioned is where  the tires are purchased and at what store. 
Tires bought in the warmer climates seem to be harder and therefore get less 
traction.  I assume this is to compensate for the hotter conditions the tire 
must operate under.
   I have bought General tires from Sam's clubJUNK from the word go. 
Balance issues and very low treadlife.  Bought the same tires from a 
Christiansen tire and had great luck with them.  I askedApparently, just 
like everything else, the large chains have the manufacturers make them a 
line of tires to their specs so they can sell them cheaperBuyer 
beware.


Mike
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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

nobody

Rusty Cullens wrote:


Who?




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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[LarryT]

Haven't tried that - but I will - If this gets the ACC working, what does it 
mean?  Does the ign switch need replacing?


BTW, my AC is working - I can hear and feel the compressor cutting in - but 
the fan will not come on.


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T



Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.

Tom Potter

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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

Hi Trampas,
I tried the kicking method - no luck - then I looked for the fuse.  I
found
the main GP 80A fuse directly in front (bumper side)  of the master fuse

box - at least I believe it's the main fuse for the GPs.  Then I looked
inside the master fuse box - the label said the fan motor was outside
the
fusebox.  But I haven't found it.  Along side the fuse box is a plug
type
affair - I unplugged it and it looks like an aluminum male plug going
into a
alum female receptacle.  Does that have anything to do with it?

I'm getting ready to search my workshop manuals & "The Bible" for info
on
R&R'ing the motor/cage along with any fuse location info - but they
kinda
assume the reader is able to find fuses! ;-\

I'd like to change it myself - for the satisfaction.  And I'll know how
to
do it next time - I plan to keep this car a long time.   It just turned
107k - it wasn't driven regularily before we bought it last Feb - so I
think
these kinds of problems are inevitable - but should be fixed easily.

Thanks again for sharing your "hands-on experience" !

;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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.
- Original Message - 
From: "Trampas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T



Try kicking under the passenger dash. Usually the brushes on the

blower

motor goes bad around 150k miles. Kicking under the passenger dash

will

make
it work for a bit longer, at least long enough to call Rusty.

Also check fuse under hood on driver's fender, it is not with other

fuses

but in it's own black case. If it is good order a spare from Rusty and



keep
in dash, they will eventually fail due to vibration.

Note the blower motor can be ordered with or with out squirrel cage. I



order
with out, which is cheaper, then use an air hammer to remove squirrel
cage.
To do this hold squirrel cage and use air hammer on motor shaft, old

otor

will fall to ground. I have done about 6 blower motors this way and

have

never broken plastic squirrel cage.

Trampas

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On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:55 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

Howdy -
Have 2 problems - 1st, the blower fan in the ACC system stopped today;
naturally it's in the low 90s.  I seem to recall it hesitating - for

maybe

2

seconds, then it started blowing normally.  I confirmed the compressor

is

engaged..  Also checked the fuses and outside temp indicator - both

were

normal.

Any suggestions?  from reading the WSM it seems like I would need

remove

the

glove box to get to the fan.  I plan to check connections if I can

figure

out what I need to check -  a loose wire would explain the short delay
before the fan came on.  Unfortunately, today, the fan didn't come on

at

all.

2nd problem - the ACC Wiring Diagrams section 83-606, should have my
wiring
diagram.  But after going thru the pages 3 times I believe they're

missing

the 124.128 chassis - perhaps there's another similar chassis that

works?

Or perhaps the WDs for the ACC are still on the internet somewhere?

TIA --

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter

[archer]

If you take the shifter out, you'll probably find that the collar on the 
plastic bushing has broken partially or completely off.  A new bushing 
ordered from Germany will probably solve the problem.
Meade Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent me diagrams and parts numbers 
which were invaluable in replacing parts that had fallen off and dropped to 
the road.  The diagrams were on a hard drive that went bad but here are the 
parts number he sent later on.  These refer to the drawing which you will 
need to identify the bushing and any missing parts:

...
Key part, these parts are for "From vehicle id #307216" (last part of VIN). 
I'm guessing that is correct given the year of your car, you'll need to 
verify that last numbers if VIN are greater than this.


71 -cover- 123 267 00 22
65 -bushing- 123 267 06 50
#20 (kit) = 123 260 28 39 (#'s 62, 59, 77, 107 in diagram)
80 -GUIDE- 123 260 05 76
41 -BUSHING- 115 267 22 50
14 -SHIFTING TUBE- 123 260 18 82
17 -pin- 115 991 03 01
26 -BUSHING-  115 267 07 50
29 -SPACER WASHER- 123 267 02 52 -need 2-
32 -washer- 115 990 26 40
38 -DISC SPRING-  123 993 06 26 -need 2-
44 -WASHER- 115 267 06 76
47 -SPRING- 115 993 93 03
83 -SHIFT LEVER reverse- 115 260 41 39
89 -SHIFT LEVER 1st and 2nd- 123 260 07 39
95 -SHIFT LEVER 3rd and 4th- 123 260 08 39

194 -bushing- 210 992 00 10 -need 3-
167 -lock for bushing- 000 994 29 60 -need 6-
...
Meade may still have the diagrams in his computer if you contact him.
Good luck.
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D

PS: I couldn't find any used shifter assemblies from the usual sources 
nationwide.


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From: "John Ingram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "New MBZ List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D Shifter



The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out.  It
allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear.  I
hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better
and does not develop this problem.  Does anyone know if they are
interchangeable?  Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car?
Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

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Re: [MBZ] project for Jim C

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
>   Caterpiller "lawn tractor" is my favorite. I bet it weighs 7000#

Not "lawn tractor", "yard tractor". I think that means that you can
put a log chain on the drawbar and tow scrap vehicles around the yard. 
What else are you going to do with a Cat that has neither blade nor
bucket?
If it were in Michigan, I'd offer up to 50% more than scrap metal 
value for it. A friend of mine has a similar vintage (but not Cat
brand) crawler/loader/backhoe with worn out carriage and it is not
worth 1/3 the cost of new bogies/tracks.

Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[Rusty Cullens]

Thanks Bob, I agree. If you take a look at a hundred different items we
are lower on 90%. AZ just gives Bosch products away and that makes them
look like whores. They really aren't if you take a broad look.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

Kaleb wondered:

"what about autohaus az?"


I'm not sure what started this little thread, but I have found Rusty's 
prices across the board are less than AZ Autohaus.
I sometimes get shizzle there if I need it NOW...since I can drive over
and 
pick it up.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 156K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 67K
 


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[Tom Hargrave]

Rusty has supported this group and it's predecessor (who was he, again??)
for years. And just because of this, he at least disserves our consideration
when ordering new parts!!!


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:44 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

Who?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

what about autohaus az?

Rusty Cullens wrote:

> Actually the Parts Bin has the same Italian one I sell for $32.00 for 
> $39.00 see link below:
>
http://oem.thepartsbin.com/parts/thepartsbin/quote2.jsp?product=12482602
>
43&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=&usemake=&returnurl=www.thepartsbi
> n.com&Submit=Search
> 
> Sorry Harry. I am always less than The Parts Bin.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:43 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed
> 
> The Parts Bin has them for $65 OEM Bosch
>  
> Harry
> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata   
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:34:25 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed
> 
> 
> Russ, an el cheapo alternative would be to bid on the clear corners 
> offered on Ebay.  You can get both sides for $30 - $40  They're not 
> the
highest
> quality (Taiwanese), but are inexpensive and look pretty good as well.
> I
> have a pair installed on my TD.
> 
> On 7/7/06, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I'm in search of Drivers side (LH) cornering light Assy for a 94~95
> 
> E320
> 
>>Sedan.
>>Anybody out there having a used  one they are willing to part with.
> 
> Let
> 
>>me know
>>either here of at the email address above.
>>The lady this is for lives on a limited income and would rather not
> 
> have
> 
>>to order the whole
>>Headlight Assy from Rusty (Sorry).
>>
>>Unless Rusty can sell just the Cornering Assy.
>>The Local Dealer wants $125 for that Assy.
>>
>>
> 
> Casey
> Olympia, WA
> Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
> '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
> '84 300D (214k)
> Gashuffer:
> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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[MBZ] Driving coast to coast on deep fat fryers

[Rich Thomas]

 Driving coast to coast on deep fat fryers

"We pull over at freeway exits with a plethora of fast-food 
restaurants," he said. "Any place with a fryolator."


Generally, the students fan out to check out the dumpsters at a rest 
stop. When one looks promising, they ask the management if they can take 
their grease.


"At first they are perplexed. The moment of truth comes when we stick 
the hose into the dumpster and the other end into the gas tank," Zabel 
said. "That's when they say, 'OK. You are for real.'"




http://www.nytimes.com/cnet/CNET_2100-11389_3-6092407.html

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Mike Canfield]

Also to be mentioned is where  the tires are purchased and at what store. 
Tires bought in the warmer climates seem to be harder and therefore get less 
traction.  I assume this is to compensate for the hotter conditions the tire 
must operate under.
  I have bought General tires from Sam's clubJUNK from the word go. 
Balance issues and very low treadlife.  Bought the same tires from a 
Christiansen tire and had great luck with them.  I askedApparently, just 
like everything else, the large chains have the manufacturers make them a 
line of tires to their specs so they can sell them cheaperBuyer 
beware.


Mike
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From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question



I'm not quite sure I agree with the "brand" seeming to be about 95% of the
only thing I'm hearing here...  You know each brand makes good tires and
they make shitty tires.  It all depends on which particular model you're
talking about.
Bridgestone makes Blizzaks which are just plain awesome snow and ice 
tires.
They also make the Potenza model which comes(or did come) stock on a lot 
of

the Subaru's, and I've heard nothing but complaints about them from other
Subaru drivers.  However, I think there is even a different Potenza model
which gets good reviews.
It's down to exact model specificness as to what are good tires and which
are not.  And what you want to get out of them...

Levi (:

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Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:55:24 EDT
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question



In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I put  Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they
are
so quet  even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, 
good

and  bad



Harry and all,

I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled
well.  I  noted
that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of
Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG.  I had both sets of tires
mounted  on
identical Bundt MB wheels so  I did some coast down comparisons and
even  used a

spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway.   There was a
significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of  tires.

There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance
in  tire
ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US.  To
my  knowledge,
no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test  and  publish
the
results.  Has anyone found this information in a Euro car  mag?  They 
have

been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and  should be in the
fore
front of reporting this info.

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] project for Jim C

[Curt Raymond]

Wow, that guy should get an award, MB with grass up to the roof, rusty Bug that 
you're supposed to save gas with. Save gas how? Don't drive it...
  Caterpiller "lawn tractor" is my favorite. I bet it weighs 7000#
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:59:53 -0700
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/179880154.html


220d in need of attention

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

what about autohaus az?

Rusty Cullens wrote:

> Actually the Parts Bin has the same Italian one I sell for $32.00 for
> $39.00 see link below:
>
http://oem.thepartsbin.com/parts/thepartsbin/quote2.jsp?product=12482602
>
43&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=&usemake=&returnurl=www.thepartsbi
> n.com&Submit=Search
> 
> Sorry Harry. I am always less than The Parts Bin.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed
> 
> The Parts Bin has them for $65 OEM Bosch 
>  
> Harry
> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   108,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata   
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:34:25 -0700
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed
> 
> 
> Russ, an el cheapo alternative would be to bid on the clear corners
> offered
> on Ebay.  You can get both sides for $30 - $40  They're not the
highest
> quality (Taiwanese), but are inexpensive and look pretty good as well.
> I
> have a pair installed on my TD.
> 
> On 7/7/06, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I'm in search of Drivers side (LH) cornering light Assy for a 94~95
> 
> E320
> 
>>Sedan.
>>Anybody out there having a used  one they are willing to part with.
> 
> Let
> 
>>me know
>>either here of at the email address above.
>>The lady this is for lives on a limited income and would rather not
> 
> have
> 
>>to order the whole
>>Headlight Assy from Rusty (Sorry).
>>
>>Unless Rusty can sell just the Cornering Assy.
>>The Local Dealer wants $125 for that Assy.
>>
>>
> 
> Casey
> Olympia, WA
> Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
> '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
> '84 300D (214k)
> Gashuffer:
> '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] Overheating

[Mark . Maturo]

I drained the coolant to replace the hoses while I was waiting for the pump
to be rebuilt.  I set the timing on the pump with the $25 dollar tool that
screws in the side of the pump and locks it into position to be put back in
at 15 egrees ATDC.  Car runs fine and quiet until it overheats which does
not occur rapidly.  I guess I should pull the head?

Mark Maturo



   
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Several possibilities here.

One, if you drained the coolant you didn't get enough in there before
you started it (although I don't know off the top of my head why you
would have).

If the temp gauge was in the red, very likely the head itself is
cracked, not just the gasket.

How did you set the timing for the IP?  Grossly advanced timing will
cause severe overheating.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[Mike Canfield]

I know what you mean.My M37 is in need of a set of tires..9.00-16's 
stock.The 11.00-16's I want are over 400 bucks each.  OUCH


Mike, Who thinks Philip should just get a new farm truck so he can have a 
diesel and new tires.
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rumor has it that Mike wrote:


Bet that farm truck could use a set of Geolander MT's..

Mike, Who must think Philip's farm truck needs lot's of
tractionlol - Original Message - 
From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> rumor has it that Loren wrote:
>
> But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate...
>
> --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck.


Oh, it sure would! But it needs 16.5in, >load range E - so they would
cost more than the whole truck did!!!

As much highway driving as that truck sees, I'll probably never replace
the tires because of wear.

-- Philip, wishing the farm truck had a diesel engine

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Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Harry Watkins]

Same here, like an 1/8 inch detent to the left and the fan roars.  SDL.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


> Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
> bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.
> 
> Tom Potter

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again

[ned kleinhenz]

I share the same experience as Robert & Tara Ludwick.
I am currently running a set of Nokian WR's on one of my 124's.
They now have 14k mi on them and they still look new.
They are only a little noisy, and they don't handle quite as good a a
Frenchy or Bridgestone.
But the traction is fantastic on hot dry roads, wet roads, icy roads and in
blizzards.

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
80 300TD

Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

[Potter, Tom E]

Did you try wiggling the ignition key a bit? I had to move mine back a
bit from full ON position to get the ACC to work.

Tom Potter

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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T

Hi Trampas,
I tried the kicking method - no luck - then I looked for the fuse.  I
found 
the main GP 80A fuse directly in front (bumper side)  of the master fuse

box - at least I believe it's the main fuse for the GPs.  Then I looked 
inside the master fuse box - the label said the fan motor was outside
the 
fusebox.  But I haven't found it.  Along side the fuse box is a plug
type 
affair - I unplugged it and it looks like an aluminum male plug going
into a 
alum female receptacle.  Does that have anything to do with it?

I'm getting ready to search my workshop manuals & "The Bible" for info
on 
R&R'ing the motor/cage along with any fuse location info - but they
kinda 
assume the reader is able to find fuses! ;-\

I'd like to change it myself - for the satisfaction.  And I'll know how
to 
do it next time - I plan to keep this car a long time.   It just turned 
107k - it wasn't driven regularily before we bought it last Feb - so I
think 
these kinds of problems are inevitable - but should be fixed easily.

Thanks again for sharing your "hands-on experience" !

;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:39 PM
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> Try kicking under the passenger dash. Usually the brushes on the
blower
> motor goes bad around 150k miles. Kicking under the passenger dash
will 
> make
> it work for a bit longer, at least long enough to call Rusty.
>
> Also check fuse under hood on driver's fender, it is not with other
fuses
> but in it's own black case. If it is good order a spare from Rusty and

> keep
> in dash, they will eventually fail due to vibration.
>
> Note the blower motor can be ordered with or with out squirrel cage. I

> order
> with out, which is cheaper, then use an air hammer to remove squirrel 
> cage.
> To do this hold squirrel cage and use air hammer on motor shaft, old
otor
> will fall to ground. I have done about 6 blower motors this way and
have
> never broken plastic squirrel cage.
>
> Trampas
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Behalf Of LarryT
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:55 PM
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> Subject: [MBZ] ACC Fan Problem W124 '91 300D 2.5T
>
> Howdy -
> Have 2 problems - 1st, the blower fan in the ACC system stopped today;
> naturally it's in the low 90s.  I seem to recall it hesitating - for
maybe 
> 2
>
> seconds, then it started blowing normally.  I confirmed the compressor
is
> engaged..  Also checked the fuses and outside temp indicator - both
were
> normal.
>
> Any suggestions?  from reading the WSM it seems like I would need
remove 
> the
>
> glove box to get to the fan.  I plan to check connections if I can
figure
> out what I need to check -  a loose wire would explain the short delay
> before the fan came on.  Unfortunately, today, the fan didn't come on
at
> all.
>
> 2nd problem - the ACC Wiring Diagrams section 83-606, should have my 
> wiring
> diagram.  But after going thru the pages 3 times I believe they're
missing
> the 124.128 chassis - perhaps there's another similar chassis that
works?
> Or perhaps the WDs for the ACC are still on the internet somewhere?
>
> TIA --
>
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[MBZ] 240D Shifter

[John Ingram]

The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out.  It  
allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear.  I  
hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better  
and does not develop this problem.  Does anyone know if they are  
interchangeable?  Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car?

Thanks,
John Ingram
83 240D

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[Levi Smith]

I'm not quite sure I agree with the "brand" seeming to be about 95% of the
only thing I'm hearing here...  You know each brand makes good tires and
they make shitty tires.  It all depends on which particular model you're
talking about.
Bridgestone makes Blizzaks which are just plain awesome snow and ice tires.
They also make the Potenza model which comes(or did come) stock on a lot of
the Subaru's, and I've heard nothing but complaints about them from other
Subaru drivers.  However, I think there is even a different Potenza model
which gets good reviews.
It's down to exact model specificness as to what are good tires and which
are not.  And what you want to get out of them...

Levi (:

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Sent: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:55:24 EDT
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question



In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I put  Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they
are
so quet  even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good
and  bad



Harry and all,

I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled
well.  I  noted
that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of
Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG.  I had both sets of tires
mounted  on
identical Bundt MB wheels so  I did some coast down comparisons and
even  used a

spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway.   There was a
significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of  tires.

There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance
in  tire
ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US.  To
my  knowledge,
no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test  and  publish
the
results.  Has anyone found this information in a Euro car  mag?  They have
been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and  should be in the
fore
front of reporting this info.

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[LarryT]

Everyone has really provided some great experiences -

one more question about tires - are the tires put on new tire different than 
those bought from retailers?  I had some Firestones on a pickup we bought 
new - those tires were bald by 16k  miles -


For that poor experience I'll never buy F'stones again.  But maybe that's 
not fair - perhaps those were some manufacturers specials that are not as 
good as those bought at retailers.  Not a goood marketing decision but you 
never know what happens to win a huge (Nissan) tire contract.


Comments?

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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -



I personally had some Continentals Contact Extreme tires. I threw them away
with only 10k miles on them. They were the worse tires In the mornings
it felt like you were driving over 2x4s in the road. Additionally when the
tires had bad road noise. The bumping in the mornings was so bad I kept
wanting to pull over and check that the tires were not flat. I did not 
feel

safe to have my wife drive the car.

I replaced them with Michelin MXV4 tires. Note that I tried to get tires
from Mercedes dealer, but they wanted an arm and a leg because they were
special order. When I took car to dealer to get alignment the sales guy 
said

yea we do not carry them. I laughed and said that is funny because your
sales display there has 4 MXV4 in the size I needed. He looked at me and
laughed like I was joking, then he checked. Note that I could have ordered
rims with tires preinstalled from Tire Rack for $100 more than Mercedes
quoted me for the tires.

I also consulted other people I trust and generally the most recommended 
is

the MXV4s and the Harmony from Michelin.

BTW the local Mercedes dealer is advertising their great customer service.
So it was real funny as I sat their for 30 minutes waiting to give them my
keys. The friend giving me the ride said, "If they had great customer
service they would not need to advertise it."



Trampas

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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

My vote is for German made Contis, hands down.  I can't find anyplace to
buy them anymore.  I have several US made Contis  on several vehicles with
no complaints SO FAR***

Last night, one of the Jokohamas I had on the 300TE came apart on the
interstate and cause $2000 damage to the TE.  The steel belts and tread
came off, flapped around and then flew off.  It took out the plastic inner
fender liner, broke the front bumper cover, took off the bottom fender
trim, bent the rocker and took the paint off the fender, door and
hood.  The tire had less than 2000 miles.

I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are
going on.  I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with
never a problem or slipped belt.  Keep in mind though, that those were
German made Contis.

Loren
88  300 TE
et al


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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question

[mykd1]

 Now that you mention the rolling resistance I seem to remember one of the car 
magazines doing a test of all the popular tires. Michelin, BF Goodrich, 
Goodyear, Conti's,  Pirelli etc. I think it was on performance tires though and 
the test vehicle was a BMW M3. I do believe they included rolling resistance in 
the test as well as wet and dry performance. 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again /rolling resistance comment and question


 
In a message dated 7/10/2006 7:17:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I put  Conti's on my 280 and I like the way they feel in the wet and they are 
so quet  even when you run them hard. Yep, lots of choices out there, good 
and  bad



Harry and all,
 
I tried the Contis as well, and they rolled true and handled well.  I  noted 
that the rolling resistance was much higher than the previous set of  
Yokohamas , probably costing me 1-2 MPG.  I had both sets of tires mounted  on 
identical Bundt MB wheels so  I did some coast down comparisons and even  used 
a 

spring scale to move the car on my flat concrete driveway.   There was a 
significant difference, easily noticeable between the sets of  tires.
 
There is currently renewed interest in publishing rolling resistance in  tire 
ratings, this is, of course, because of $3 fuel in the US.  To my  knowledge, 
no US magazine has dared to add the rolling resistance test  and  publish the 
results.  Has anyone found this information in a Euro car  mag?  They have 
been dealing with high fuel prices for a long time and  should be in the fore 
front of reporting this info.
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[mykd1]

I had good luck with the Conti's too, but couldn't find the replacement for my 
Passat. The dealer had them, but there was no way I was going to pay more than 
$100 a tire. I ended up getting a BF Goodrich Traction TA for $85 a tire at 
Sears. A little stiffer in the sidewell and noisier than the Conti, but a good 
tire for the money. 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -


rumor has it that Loren wrote:

> I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are 
> going on. 
> going on.  I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles,
> with  never a problem or slipped belt.  Keep in mind though, that
> those were  German made Contis.

I'm sorry you had problems.

I happen to have driven many hundreds of thousands of safe miles on
Yokohamas. Passanger car, light truck, and heavy truck tires. I have
been happy with every set.

But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate...

--Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck.

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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Mike wrote:

> Bet that farm truck could use a set of Geolander MT's..
> 
> Mike, Who must think Philip's farm truck needs lot's of
> tractionlol - Original Message - 
> From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > rumor has it that Loren wrote:
> > 
> > But I suspect this is like the pickup truck debate...
> > 
> > --Philip, with Yokohama on everything but the farm truck.

Oh, it sure would! But it needs 16.5in, >load range E - so they would
cost more than the whole truck did!!!

As much highway driving as that truck sees, I'll probably never replace
the tires because of wear.

-- Philip, wishing the farm truck had a diesel engine

Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[Bob Rentfro]

Kaleb wondered:

"what about autohaus az?"


I'm not sure what started this little thread, but I have found Rusty's 
prices across the board are less than AZ Autohaus.
I sometimes get shizzle there if I need it NOW...since I can drive over and 
pick it up.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 156K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 67K

Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

I've never had Kuhmos on a car, but their big truck tires are very nice, 
impressive handling and braking even when empty.
My personal favourite for cars anymore is Nokians. you just can't beat 
those things for traction, especially in adverse conditions, and the 
price isn't bad either.


-Robert

LarryT wrote:
I need to get 4 new tires for my wifes work car - a 91 MB 300D - and was 
considering Kuhmo but Sears sold out but will get more soon.  I'm also 
looking at Sumitomo and Falken.  Next in line are Michelin and Pirelli - we 
normally run Michelins on it.


I've heard good things about Kuhmo - but little about Sumi and the Falkens - 
we look for excellent wet weather performance and quietness - - my logic is 
even the worst tires will likely  never see the max dry weather performance 
but wet weather can sneak up on us  -  anyway -


Anyone have experience - good or bad - with any of the Sumitomo, Falken or 
Kuhmo in a street application?


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[MBZ] profit center for Jim C,

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/179749516.html

TD for $1700

--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] project for Jim C

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/179880154.html


220d in need of attention

--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] Get your wallet Ed Booher

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/180582498.html


--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] FW: Today's Diesel Prices

[Tom Hargrave]

 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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060522  2.888  2.877  2.982   2.987   2.820   2.836   2.801  3.024  3.175
3.234
060515  2.920  2.907  3.003   3.014   2.853   2.870   2.829  3.074  3.192
3.242
060508  2.897  2.884  2.972   2.983   2.834   2.841   2.814  3.054  3.180
3.244
060501  2.896  2.892  2.979   2.987   2.843   2.853   2.832  3.012  3.098
3.163
060424  2.876  2.888  2.961   2.978   2.843   2.847   2.817  2.903  3.026
3.103
060417  2.765  2.788  2.865   2.876   2.743   2.735   2.725  2.756  2.881
2.933
060410  2.654  2.676  2.769   2.767   2.629   2.614   2.601  2.680  2.812
2.881
060403  2.617  2.639  2.731   2.727   2.593   2.578   2.579  2.629  2.753
2.812
060327  2.565  2.586  2.700   2.681   2.536   2.523   2.528  2.601  2.698
2.727
060320  2.581  2.606  2.702   2.697   2.558   2.533   2.552  2.608  2.716
2.738
060313  2.543  2.567  2.687   2.681   2.507   2.491   2.497  2.566  2.725
2.747
060306  2.545  2.571  2.656   2.682   2.516   2.500   2.499  2.545  2.711
2.739
060227  2.471  2.493  2.593   2.593   2.441   2.417   2.443  2.509  2.623
2.688
060220  2.455  2.487  2.593   2.580   2.437   2.398   2.427  2.497  2.594
2.674
060213  2.476  2.509  2.617   2.591   2.464   2.419   2.447  2.500  2.621
2.709
060206  2.499  2.536  2.659   2.618   2.490   2.445   2.463  2.503  2.645
2.739
060130  2.489  2.530  2.661   2.618   2.481   2.431   2.455  2.474  2.640
2.733
060123  2.472  2.516  2.668   2.610   2.462   2.423   2.432  2.435  2.608
2.674
060116  2.449  2.489  2.663   2.605   2.424   2.408   2.415  2.411  2.565
2.603
060109  2.485  2.528  2.676   2.626   2.473   2.451   2.453  2.421  2.577
2.601
060102  2.442  2.481  2.645   2.590   2.420   2.412   2.414  2.392  2.519
2.538
051226  2.448  2.481  2.643   2.599   2.416   2.420   2.421  2.410  2.523
2.543
051219  2.462  2.499  2.647   2.609   2.438   2.443   2.435  2.410  2.505
2.521
051212  2.436  2.458  2.598   2.577   2.393   2.409   2.429  2.401  2.500
2.465
051205  2.425  2.428  2.591   2.569   2.354   2.390   2.411  2.471  2.538
2.486
051128  2.479  2.467  2.619   2.604   2.394   2.442   2.456  2.591  2.617
2.559
051121  2.513  2.491  2.652   2.615   2.423   2.477   2.491  2.654  2.652
2.599
051114  2.602  2.565  2.699   2.689   2.500   2.575   2.585  2.766  2.738
2.717
051107  2.698  2.657  2.744   2.755   2.608   2.671   2.679  2.907  2.821
2.797
051031  2.876  2.784  2.834   2.848   2.753   2.907   2.846  3.079  2.951
2.936
051024  3.157  3.051  2.873   2.940   3.115   3.235   3.146  3.232  3.142
3.152
051017  3.148  3.116  2.913   2.966   3.199   3.144   3.177  3.178  3.178
3.210
051010  3.150  3.160  2.947   2.990   3.252   3.123   3.182  3.143  3.167
3.240
051003  3.144  3.198  3.012   3.040   3.283   3.083   3.185  3.079  3.174
3.262
050926  2.798  2.808  2.859   2.875   2.775   2.739   2.756  2.938  2.978
3.031
050919  2.732  2.749  2.

Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what about autohaus az?

Rusty Cullens wrote:


Actually the Parts Bin has the same Italian one I sell for $32.00 for
$39.00 see link below:
http://oem.thepartsbin.com/parts/thepartsbin/quote2.jsp?product=12482602
43&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=&usemake=&returnurl=www.thepartsbi
n.com&Submit=Search

Sorry Harry. I am always less than The Parts Bin.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:43 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed

The Parts Bin has them for $65 OEM Bosch 
 
Harry

69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:34:25 -0700
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Part Needed


Russ, an el cheapo alternative would be to bid on the clear corners
offered
on Ebay.  You can get both sides for $30 - $40  They're not the highest
quality (Taiwanese), but are inexpensive and look pretty good as well.
I
have a pair installed on my TD.

On 7/7/06, Russ Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm in search of Drivers side (LH) cornering light Assy for a 94~95


E320


Sedan.
Anybody out there having a used  one they are willing to part with.


Let


me know
either here of at the email address above.
The lady this is for lives on a limited income and would rather not


have


to order the whole
Headlight Assy from Rusty (Sorry).

Unless Rusty can sell just the Cornering Assy.
The Local Dealer wants $125 for that Assy.




Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

[Loren Faeth]

Most of the Frenchy tires I have had also slipped belts.  However the 
Frenchys on the TD when we bought it have been ok.  They are still 
overpriced.  You need to remember I drive diesels, not SLs or corvettes.  I 
only have bought the touring grade Contis.  I know some ppl have good luck 
with the Frenchys, and some have even good luck with good years.  I have 
even had a few of them (goodyears) that did not slip belts or come apart. 
One of the best sets I have had were dunlops.  Last summer I had 3 of 4 
dunlops slip belts really bad in the span of 100 miles or so.  Most of the 
time Generals are pretty good, but some do not have good wet 
traction.  Toyos come apart.  Remingtons seem to be ok but have poor 
wet/snow traction.


Conti Contact touring, the current incarnation, are not noisy in my 
experience, and come out of the box needing .5 oz or less to balance.  They 
have good traction, reasonable durability, and IHMO a good balance of tire 
qualities for the price. I just rebel at $100 each for ordinary car tires. 
But, as I indicated in the earlier post, the jury is still out on the US 
made (General) Contis. My personal preference is for stickiness over long 
wearing.


This is only my experience.  YMMV  And, I am only talking about various 
13", 14" and 15" tires on MBs.  Truck tires are a different story.


Loren
Lotsa MB over the years.

At 07:12 PM 7/10/2006, you wrote:

I personally had some Continentals Contact Extreme tires. I threw them away
with only 10k miles on them. They were the worse tires In the mornings
it felt like you were driving over 2x4s in the road. Additionally when the
tires had bad road noise. The bumping in the mornings was so bad I kept
wanting to pull over and check that the tires were not flat. I did not feel
safe to have my wife drive the car.

I replaced them with Michelin MXV4 tires. Note that I tried to get tires
from Mercedes dealer, but they wanted an arm and a leg because they were
special order. When I took car to dealer to get alignment the sales guy said
yea we do not carry them. I laughed and said that is funny because your
sales display there has 4 MXV4 in the size I needed. He looked at me and
laughed like I was joking, then he checked. Note that I could have ordered
rims with tires preinstalled from Tire Rack for $100 more than Mercedes
quoted me for the tires.

I also consulted other people I trust and generally the most recommended is
the MXV4s and the Harmony from Michelin.

BTW the local Mercedes dealer is advertising their great customer service.
So it was real funny as I sat their for 30 minutes waiting to give them my
keys. The friend giving me the ride said, "If they had great customer
service they would not need to advertise it."



Trampas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tires Again -

My vote is for German made Contis, hands down.  I can't find anyplace to
buy them anymore.  I have several US made Contis  on several vehicles with
no complaints SO FAR***

Last night, one of the Jokohamas I had on the 300TE came apart on the
interstate and cause $2000 damage to the TE.  The steel belts and tread
came off, flapped around and then flew off.  It took out the plastic inner
fender liner, broke the front bumper cover, took off the bottom fender
trim, bent the rocker and took the paint off the fender, door and
hood.  The tire had less than 2000 miles.

I can say without a doubt, the Jokohamas are coming off and Contis are
going on.  I have driven Contis hundreds of thousands of safe miles, with
never a problem or slipped belt.  Keep in mind though, that those were
German made Contis.

Loren
88  300 TE
et al


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Re: [MBZ] Test and possible move to WA

[Zeitgeist]

Hey, twelve of your bestest buds were down here last weekend, but alas, 500
of their worstest enemies showed up to poop and tinkle on their parade.  But
golly, they sure were smartly dressed in that fashionably retro-chic
attire.  Sure is getting hard to peddle third-rate hate these days.  What a
shame.

On 7/10/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Never call me that L word!  I would have been down your way last week,
but my jack boots were at the cobbler.  Had my brown shirt and black
britches all pressed.



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG