[MBZ] another Cummins question

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Would an 04 Cummins 2500 auto be a 4 speed or a 5 speed tranny?  The 
sticker in the glove box says 4 speed with overdrive I think.  Does that 
mean it has for gears or its a 4 speed plus overdrive making it 5 
speeds?  Any trouble with those?  Reason I ask, they were pushing an 
almost brand new one in the shop at the dealer today with the tranny 
out.  Ouch.  Looked at a few today. First one is an 04 2500 with the 
305hp cummins, club cab, auto, SLT I think, long bed, pw, pl, cruise, 
CD, etc.  99k miles, price is 19.9k.  Next at another dealer 03 auto, 
4x4, very basic truck with rubber mats, manual windows, no cruise, no 
power locks etc, 40K miles,  liked the color better, short bed, 250hp 
version cummins(seems WAY WAY slower than the next year), lot price 27k, 
internet price, 23.9k, "special" today only price 22.9k. I just didnt 
really like that truck, really prefer cruise for long trips.  Back to 
the first dealer to look at a different truck.  Its an 05 with the HO 
325hp cummins, long bed, club cab, 6 speed manual, its also a basic 
model with no cruise, manaul windows, etc, had 20k miles with factory 
warranty still remaining.  Price in it was 24.9k.  Liked that one but 
the spouse cant drive stick and refused to learn.  But didnt like the no 
options though.


Anyway, sorry for the rambling, what do the dodge people thing about 
those prices?  And what about the 4 or 5 speed auto?

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Re: [MBZ] W114 electric sunroof

[R A Bennell]

Must be a fuse somewhere. My 76 115 power windows quit one day earlier this 
week. A new fuse seems to have solved
the problem. There are some smaller fuse boxes just ahead of the main fuse box 
under the hood. One of them is
windows for sure. Not certain what the others are but might be the sunroof. 
Have a look.

Randy B

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Subject: [MBZ] W114 electric sunroof


Hi
Just bought my first older Mercedes- a 1972 280 CE. First major problem with
it is the sunroof doesn't work at all. No sound at all when button is
pressed. The previous owner said it just stopped working one day. Tried a
new switch but still no good. Again any ideas and/or diagrams
Thanks in advance
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[MBZ] W114 electric sunroof

[Ian Pearson]

Hi
Just bought my first older Mercedes- a 1972 280 CE. First major problem with
it is the sunroof doesn't work at all. No sound at all when button is
pressed. The previous owner said it just stopped working one day. Tried a
new switch but still no good. Again any ideas and/or diagrams
Thanks in advance

Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[redghost]

I have been ignoring this discussion, but 

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200606270927042.html

deals with something like it


 -- Original message --
From: "Bob DuPuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Geeze louise! Did you get your item? Did you pay a good price? If the
> guy wasn't trying to rip you off and just tried to save money on
> shipping, why try to burn him with bad feed back with no chance to
> respond. Suck it up, quit your bitching, and just move on. Life is too
> short.
> 
> Bob DuPuy
> 
> On 7/27/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Flat rate shipping of $65.  Price was BIN for $20 or best offer.  I offered
> > $5 and it was accepted.  I'm not disputing the price I paid, which was less
> > than every other auction for this DVD burner I loked at, I'm disupting the
> > seller trying to save a few bucks at my time expense.
> >
> > Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > Did the auction state actual shipping or was it flat rate?
> > >
> > > A lot of times, to avoid eBay fees, the seller inflates the shipping and
> > > states it is fixed. They only pay fees based on the selling price, not
> > > shipping. I always consider shipping as part of my bid price for 
> > > comparable
> > > items and bid accordingly.
> > >
> > > Dave W
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[LarryT]

You probably have enough time - although it sounds like you got a pretty 
good deal - but you'll have trouble telling what happened in the very few 
words allowed in the Feedback menu.  I believe it's 80 characters - not 
enough to tell much of a story.


Good luck with your $5 DVD drive - or is it a $70 DVD drive ;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update





Remember this?  So, I stopped by the USPS today and asked them about the
package.  I went into it expecting to take a few pictures proving that the
seller short paid the shipping or sent it to the wrong address.  It was a 
bit
different.  Turns out he tried to ship it "Media Mail" to save some 's 
on
shipping.  As if $65 wasn't enough already Anyway, Media Mail is 
subject

to inspection, and they inspected the package and sent it back (because it
wasn't media) to him to pay $2.19 extra for the shipping.  That label for
$2.19 made my post office think it was short paid on shipping when 
actually
that was the second payment made on the shipping.   He tried to save money 
on

shipping, was busted, and my package arrived over a week late.  That is
shoddy!

Now, what is the time frame for leaving feedback?  I'm gonna negative him 
bad
on this and would rather him not have a chance to levae me feedback.  Can 
I

do this?

Luther


<>

UGH, so I emailed the seller and here's the reply.
"
That was taken care of already. It's not being held at the post office. 
The

package is now on the way. I apologize for the delay and the lack of
communication on my part. You should receive the DVD burner no later than
tuesday.
"

SOOO, I'll see if it get's here


On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:54:31 -0500, Luther Gulseth 
wrote:


this was clearly listed in the auction BEFORE I agreed to buy and pay for

the auction so that was not the problem.


On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:33:47 -0500, Michael 

wrote:




Yes, I have before too with an ebay purchase.

I refused to pay the difference and he cancelled the purchase an 
refunded

me my money.


I asked the MORON 3 times over 3 DAYS what the correct price was.  So I

had to take the final EBAY PRICE and send that (which was not enough!)


-MPL



So, a package should have arrived today for me from an eBay auction but 
the

seller short paid the shipping and I owe $6.10.  HELL NO, I'm not paying
this.  Anyone ever dealt with this type of crap before?  I'm tempted to
reject the package and send it back and report "Item not received".  I'm
exploring both PayPal and eBay's sites to see if they say anything about 
this.








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'82 300CD (160kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[Sunil Hari]

he actually committed mail fraud, which is a federal offense.  Just realize
that sooner or later, he'll get what's coming to him.

On 7/27/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I agree with Bob. Life is too short to worry about small matters. Stress
like this is not good for you. You got the
item. You are happy with it. The poor guy tried to save a buck and got
caught. He paid the extra money and got it
shipped out again didn't he. You had a few days of wondering where it was
but it did show up. Could have been a
whole lot worse. Why worry now? Relax, have a cold one, get on with life.

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob DuPuy
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update


Geeze louise! Did you get your item? Did you pay a good price? If the
guy wasn't trying to rip you off and just tried to save money on
shipping, why try to burn him with bad feed back with no chance to
respond. Suck it up, quit your bitching, and just move on. Life is too
short.

Bob DuPuy

On 7/27/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Flat rate shipping of $65.  Price was BIN for $20 or best offer.  I
offered
> $5 and it was accepted.  I'm not disputing the price I paid, which was
less
> than every other auction for this DVD burner I loked at, I'm disupting
the
> seller trying to save a few bucks at my time expense.
>
> Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Did the auction state actual shipping or was it flat rate?
> >
> > A lot of times, to avoid eBay fees, the seller inflates the shipping
and
> > states it is fixed. They only pay fees based on the selling price, not
> > shipping. I always consider shipping as part of my bid price for
comparable
> > items and bid accordingly.
> >
> > Dave W
>
>
>
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>


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Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[LarryT]

Thanks for everyone's comments - it certainly makes sense to happen the 
opposite to what I said - i.e., the alt. dies and takes the battery down 
with it.


The reason this came up today is both components appear dead.  The battery 
shows <1 volt and the alt's output iis 12.4v @3000rpm.  I believe 13.5-14.0v 
is the specs.  or something close to that.  Got a new battery and ordered a 
alt from Rusty -- I was surprised when Rusty's price was $90 less than 
AdvanceAuto!   So I'll replace both and be done with it.  I dislike worrying 
about this stuff while trying to sqeeze another few weeks out of a dieing 
component.


But I had no warning - the car started several times today before the ACC 
fan started to come in and out, the SRS and ABS warning lights in the dash 
glowed dimly (the Battery light was not lit, exc during the startup test) 
other than that there was no warning.  I turned it off at my son's house 
while I looked for any obvious problem like a loose battery connection - and 
when I tried to start it it barely turned 3/4 revolution.  Luckily, I had 
bought one of those jumper boxes to keep in the trunk - I had charged it 
when it arrived and this was the 1st time I needed it - it worked perfectly 
as advertised.   At $59 it was worth it although I could've called the 800 
MB help since the dealer was a few miles away.


But this has been my experience with other cars also - no warning until it 
won';t start - no dash warning light - just a surprise when I get ready to 
go somewhere.  My 67 MGB did get a glowing generator light when the gen 
brushes went south but that was the only time I ever had an actual electr 
warning  light warn of an impending failure.


Thanks for the great discussion on this - and thanks to Rusty for the 
excellent service - if only UPS could perfect their Star Trek "Transporter" 
and make instant delivery the norm rather than make believe. ;-)  Can you 
imagine the revolution in shipping *that* would cause?  It'd be like the 
change from Pony Express to the Fax machine.


With Marshall's experience I guess what happened to me must go in the 
co-inkydink column.


Take care all -

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- Original Message - 
From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory



LT Don wrote:
I think it is the other way around. The alternator dies (but you don't 
know
it) and can't keep the battery charged, so eventually the battery goes 
flat.




And lead-acid batteries are finicky about being under-charged.  If you
consistently under-charge one, maybe due to an alternator that's on its
way out, it loses capacity.  Deep-discharging a starting battery (i.e.,
running it completely flat) also reduces its capacity.  They're never
quite the same again, even if they appear to charge back up OK.


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Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[Curt Raymond]

I'll buy that theory. My 240D ate like 5 (I can't remember exactly) alternators 
before I replaced the battery and hasn't eaten any since...
   
  So now unless I know for sure that the battery is really new I'll replace it 
when I replace the alternator. I kicked myself around alot because the battery 
was only $65 at Autozone when I did replace it. I wasn't paying anything for 
the replacement alternators but it wasn't worth $65 in hassle.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:13:06 -0400
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Electrical Theory
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I have a theory about alternators and batteries - now, me being a 
person who 
only learns enough electrical info to fix what is broken at the moment, 
my 
education of electrical problems has been hands on - most often trial 
and 
error unless I have some helpful cohort who is leading me along or I've 
found a book wiht very simple instructions.

I've seen this, "thing",  a couple of times - a battery will die and 
the 
alternator will die at the same time.  My theory is the alternator is 
working extra hard trying to keep the battery charged - which it can;t 
do 
because the battery is shorted, etc - so the alt dies because it's 
running 
wide open almost all the time - and summer comes along and the added 
electr 
needs of ACC and the AC blower - creates even more demand.

Any validity to this or has it just been a co-inkydink on my 99 Camry 
and 91 
MB and a couple other vehicles over the years?

TIA --

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I agree with Bob. Life is too short to worry about small matters. Stress like 
this is not good for you. You got the
item. You are happy with it. The poor guy tried to save a buck and got caught. 
He paid the extra money and got it
shipped out again didn't he. You had a few days of wondering where it was but 
it did show up. Could have been a
whole lot worse. Why worry now? Relax, have a cold one, get on with life.

Randy B

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob DuPuy
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:38 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update


Geeze louise! Did you get your item? Did you pay a good price? If the
guy wasn't trying to rip you off and just tried to save money on
shipping, why try to burn him with bad feed back with no chance to
respond. Suck it up, quit your bitching, and just move on. Life is too
short.

Bob DuPuy

On 7/27/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Flat rate shipping of $65.  Price was BIN for $20 or best offer.  I offered
> $5 and it was accepted.  

Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[Bob DuPuy]

Geeze louise! Did you get your item? Did you pay a good price? If the
guy wasn't trying to rip you off and just tried to save money on
shipping, why try to burn him with bad feed back with no chance to
respond. Suck it up, quit your bitching, and just move on. Life is too
short.

Bob DuPuy

On 7/27/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Flat rate shipping of $65.  Price was BIN for $20 or best offer.  I offered
$5 and it was accepted.  I'm not disputing the price I paid, which was less
than every other auction for this DVD burner I loked at, I'm disupting the
seller trying to save a few bucks at my time expense.

Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Did the auction state actual shipping or was it flat rate?
>
> A lot of times, to avoid eBay fees, the seller inflates the shipping and
> states it is fixed. They only pay fees based on the selling price, not
> shipping. I always consider shipping as part of my bid price for comparable
> items and bid accordingly.
>
> Dave W



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'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)



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Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
I have a theory about alternators and batteries - now, me being a person who 
only learns enough electrical info to fix what is broken at the moment, my 
education of electrical problems has been hands on - most often trial and 
error unless I have some helpful cohort who is leading me along or I've 
found a book wiht very simple instructions.


I've seen this, "thing",  a couple of times - a battery will die and the 
alternator will die at the same time.  My theory is the alternator is 
working extra hard trying to keep the battery charged - which it can;t do 
because the battery is shorted, etc - so the alt dies because it's running 
wide open almost all the time - and summer comes along and the added electr 
needs of ACC and the AC blower - creates even more demand.


Any validity to this or has it just been a co-inkydink on my 99 Camry and 91 
MB and a couple other vehicles over the years?


I have owned 22 different Mercedes over the last 43 years. I have 
replaced more than 50 batteries. I have replaced one or two alternators 
and maybe a half dozen or two regulator/brush assemblies, rarely at or 
near the same time.


That doesn't correlate well with your theory!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump questions

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:

Now, somebody tell me how to double my fuel mileage.  My
old 124 diesel (now OK Don's) got 34 mpg.  This beast of a car gets
20-21.  


It's numbers like that that induced me to buy a diesel in 1968.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[Luther Gulseth]

Flat rate shipping of $65.  Price was BIN for $20 or best offer.  I offered 
$5 and it was accepted.  I'm not disputing the price I paid, which was less 
than every other auction for this DVD burner I loked at, I'm disupting the 
seller trying to save a few bucks at my time expense.

Dave Wakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Did the auction state actual shipping or was it flat rate?
> 
> A lot of times, to avoid eBay fees, the seller inflates the shipping and 
> states it is fixed. They only pay fees based on the selling price, not 
> shipping. I always consider shipping as part of my bid price for comparable 
> items and bid accordingly.
> 
> Dave W



-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[Dave Wakin]

Did the auction state actual shipping or was it flat rate?

A lot of times, to avoid eBay fees, the seller inflates the shipping and 
states it is fixed. They only pay fees based on the selling price, not 
shipping. I always consider shipping as part of my bid price for comparable 
items and bid accordingly.


Dave W



- Original Message - 
From: "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update





Remember this?  So, I stopped by the USPS today and asked them about the
package.  I went into it expecting to take a few pictures proving that the
seller short paid the shipping or sent it to the wrong address.  It was a 
bit
different.  Turns out he tried to ship it "Media Mail" to save some 's 
on
shipping.  As if $65 wasn't enough already Anyway, Media Mail is 
subject

to inspection, and they inspected the package and sent it back (because it
wasn't media) to him to pay $2.19 extra for the shipping.  That label for
$2.19 made my post office think it was short paid on shipping when 
actually
that was the second payment made on the shipping.   He tried to save money 
on

shipping, was busted, and my package arrived over a week late.  That is
shoddy!

Now, what is the time frame for leaving feedback?  I'm gonna negative him 
bad
on this and would rather him not have a chance to levae me feedback.  Can 
I

do this?

Luther


<>

UGH, so I emailed the seller and here's the reply.
"
That was taken care of already. It's not being held at the post office. 
The

package is now on the way. I apologize for the delay and the lack of
communication on my part. You should receive the DVD burner no later than
tuesday.
"

SOOO, I'll see if it get's here


On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:54:31 -0500, Luther Gulseth 
wrote:


this was clearly listed in the auction BEFORE I agreed to buy and pay for

the auction so that was not the problem.


On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:33:47 -0500, Michael 

wrote:




Yes, I have before too with an ebay purchase.

I refused to pay the difference and he cancelled the purchase an 
refunded

me my money.


I asked the MORON 3 times over 3 DAYS what the correct price was.  So I

had to take the final EBAY PRICE and send that (which was not enough!)


-MPL



So, a package should have arrived today for me from an eBay auction but 
the

seller short paid the shipping and I owe $6.10.  HELL NO, I'm not paying
this.  Anyone ever dealt with this type of crap before?  I'm tempted to
reject the package and send it back and report "Item not received".  I'm
exploring both PayPal and eBay's sites to see if they say anything about 
this.








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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)



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Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[David Brodbeck]

LT Don wrote:
> I think it is the other way around. The alternator dies (but you don't know
> it) and can't keep the battery charged, so eventually the battery goes flat.
>   

And lead-acid batteries are finicky about being under-charged.  If you
consistently under-charge one, maybe due to an alternator that's on its
way out, it loses capacity.  Deep-discharging a starting battery (i.e.,
running it completely flat) also reduces its capacity.  They're never
quite the same again, even if they appear to charge back up OK.

Re: [MBZ] Over and over and over

[RELNGSON]

<
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] cheap winter beater for sale -- keep your
    Benz out of the    salt
To: Banned List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Is this a joke?  Got any pics?

LT Don wrote:>>

And this Kleb post appeared twice in digest #96 for what reason???

RLE

Re: [MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[David Brodbeck]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
> Now, what is the time frame for leaving feedback?  I'm gonna negative him bad 
> on this and would rather him not have a chance to levae me feedback.  Can I 
> do this?
>   

It used to be 30 days.  I think it's now been extended to 60.  You might
get lucky if you leave feedback on the last day and he doesn't notice
right away.

Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[Levi Smith]

I've heard that theory.  And it does make sense.  I've not experienced it
though.
But yes, it certainly seems like an almost dead battery could stress the
alternator.  It must be a certain problem though.  Cause in my experience,
the battery gets too weak to start the car and that's the point you replace
it.  It doesn't seem like you're driving it with a dead battery for very
long..

On the other hand, running around with an alternator that's not charging
your battery is definitely going to be only hurting your battery more and
more.  Mine just died at one point and the idiot light came on, I drove an
hour home and replaced it.  No battery problems.

Levi

On 7/27/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a theory about alternators and batteries - now, me being a person
who
only learns enough electrical info to fix what is broken at the moment, my
education of electrical problems has been hands on - most often trial and
error unless I have some helpful cohort who is leading me along or I've
found a book wiht very simple instructions.

I've seen this, "thing",  a couple of times - a battery will die and the
alternator will die at the same time.  My theory is the alternator is
working extra hard trying to keep the battery charged - which it can;t do
because the battery is shorted, etc - so the alt dies because it's running
wide open almost all the time - and summer comes along and the added
electr
needs of ACC and the AC blower - creates even more demand.

Any validity to this or has it just been a co-inkydink on my 99 Camry and
91
MB and a couple other vehicles over the years?

TIA --

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.


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Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[Dave Wakin]

or your alternator was on it's way out, and killed the battery.


- Original Message - 
From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Electrical Theory


I have a theory about alternators and batteries - now, me being a person 
who

only learns enough electrical info to fix what is broken at the moment, my
education of electrical problems has been hands on - most often trial and
error unless I have some helpful cohort who is leading me along or I've
found a book wiht very simple instructions.

I've seen this, "thing",  a couple of times - a battery will die and the
alternator will die at the same time.  My theory is the alternator is
working extra hard trying to keep the battery charged - which it can;t do
because the battery is shorted, etc - so the alt dies because it's running
wide open almost all the time - and summer comes along and the added 
electr

needs of ACC and the AC blower - creates even more demand.

Any validity to this or has it just been a co-inkydink on my 99 Camry and 
91

MB and a couple other vehicles over the years?

TIA --

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.


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[MBZ] new eBay shipping fraud-update

[Luther Gulseth]

Remember this?  So, I stopped by the USPS today and asked them about the 
package.  I went into it expecting to take a few pictures proving that the 
seller short paid the shipping or sent it to the wrong address.  It was a bit 
different.  Turns out he tried to ship it "Media Mail" to save some 's on 
shipping.  As if $65 wasn't enough already Anyway, Media Mail is subject 
to inspection, and they inspected the package and sent it back (because it 
wasn't media) to him to pay $2.19 extra for the shipping.  That label for 
$2.19 made my post office think it was short paid on shipping when actually 
that was the second payment made on the shipping.   He tried to save money on 
shipping, was busted, and my package arrived over a week late.  That is 
shoddy!  

Now, what is the time frame for leaving feedback?  I'm gonna negative him bad 
on this and would rather him not have a chance to levae me feedback.  Can I 
do this?

Luther


<>

UGH, so I emailed the seller and here's the reply.
"
That was taken care of already. It's not being held at the post office. The 
package is now on the way. I apologize for the delay and the lack of 
communication on my part. You should receive the DVD burner no later than 
tuesday.
"

SOOO, I'll see if it get's here


On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:54:31 -0500, Luther Gulseth  
wrote:

> this was clearly listed in the auction BEFORE I agreed to buy and pay for 
the auction so that was not the problem.
>
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:33:47 -0500, Michael  
wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, I have before too with an ebay purchase.
>>
>> I refused to pay the difference and he cancelled the purchase an refunded 
me my money.
>>
>> I asked the MORON 3 times over 3 DAYS what the correct price was.  So I 
had to take the final EBAY PRICE and send that (which was not enough!)
>>
>> -MPL
>>
>
>So, a package should have arrived today for me from an eBay auction but the 
seller short paid the shipping and I owe $6.10.  HELL NO, I'm not paying 
this.  Anyone ever dealt with this type of crap before?  I'm tempted to 
reject the package and send it back and report "Item not received".  I'm 
exploring both PayPal and eBay's sites to see if they say anything about this.


>


-- 
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] Electrical Theory

[LT Don]

I think it is the other way around. The alternator dies (but you don't know
it) and can't keep the battery charged, so eventually the battery goes flat.


On 7/27/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have a theory about alternators and batteries - now, me being a person
who
only learns enough electrical info to fix what is broken at the moment, my
education of electrical problems has been hands on - most often trial and
error unless I have some helpful cohort who is leading me along or I've
found a book wiht very simple instructions.

I've seen this, "thing",  a couple of times - a battery will die and the
alternator will die at the same time.  My theory is the alternator is
working extra hard trying to keep the battery charged - which it can;t do
because the battery is shorted, etc - so the alt dies because it's running
wide open almost all the time - and summer comes along and the added
electr
needs of ACC and the AC blower - creates even more demand.

Any validity to this or has it just been a co-inkydink on my 99 Camry and
91
MB and a couple other vehicles over the years?

TIA --

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
.


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[MBZ] ED BOOHER - Free Car

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/zip/186923303.html

280 Benz in non function condition.  I can go look at it if you would like.


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[MBZ] Electrical Theory

[LarryT]

I have a theory about alternators and batteries - now, me being a person who 
only learns enough electrical info to fix what is broken at the moment, my 
education of electrical problems has been hands on - most often trial and 
error unless I have some helpful cohort who is leading me along or I've 
found a book wiht very simple instructions.


I've seen this, "thing",  a couple of times - a battery will die and the 
alternator will die at the same time.  My theory is the alternator is 
working extra hard trying to keep the battery charged - which it can;t do 
because the battery is shorted, etc - so the alt dies because it's running 
wide open almost all the time - and summer comes along and the added electr 
needs of ACC and the AC blower - creates even more demand.


Any validity to this or has it just been a co-inkydink on my 99 Camry and 91 
MB and a couple other vehicles over the years?


TIA --

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
. 

Re: [MBZ] DC area body shop

[LT Don]

Plutonium ... it isn't just for breakfast anymore.

On 7/27/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Are your bell peppers radio active?  They "glow"?  Might not want to eat
them
if that's the case..

LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Andrew:
>
> You can tell him that the mechanical engineers who work at "Alion
Science &
> Technology" in Alexandria all gave him a glowing recommendation.
>
> Garden is doing pretty well. We've had two tomatoes so far and lots of
chili
> peppers, but the bell peppers are glow -- some flowers but no little
peppers
> yet.
>



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'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)



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Re: [MBZ] DC area body shop

[Luther Gulseth]

Are your bell peppers radio active?  They "glow"?  Might not want to eat them 
if that's the case..

LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Andrew:
> 
> You can tell him that the mechanical engineers who work at "Alion Science &
> Technology" in Alexandria all gave him a glowing recommendation.
> 
> Garden is doing pretty well. We've had two tomatoes so far and lots of chili
> peppers, but the bell peppers are glow -- some flowers but no little peppers
> yet.
> 



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (160kmi)
'82 300D  (74kmi needs block or engine)

Re: [MBZ] DC area body shop

[LT Don]

Andrew:

You can tell him that the mechanical engineers who work at "Alion Science &
Technology" in Alexandria all gave him a glowing recommendation.

Garden is doing pretty well. We've had two tomatoes so far and lots of chili
peppers, but the bell peppers are glow -- some flowers but no little peppers
yet.

On 7/27/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks - will give him a call.  Whom should I say recommended him?

BTW, Don - how is your garden this summer?  We've been in a drought except
for 11 inches of rain delivered over four days in early July so everything
is late except for the cukes.




On 7/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Son (works in Old Town Alexandria) says:
>
> Jack's Autobody
> 703-379-1118
> Bailey's Crossroads area
>
> Owner is Jack Kim. Good reputation, "fixes stuff" and supposed to be
> reasonable. Several of son's coworkers have used him for body work.
"Seems
> like an honest and reliable guy who does good work."
>
>





--
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BIODIESEL -- no oil war required.

1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

Re: [MBZ] DC area body shop

[andrew strasfogel]

Thanks - will give him a call.  Whom should I say recommended him?

BTW, Don - how is your garden this summer?  We've been in a drought except
for 11 inches of rain delivered over four days in early July so everything
is late except for the cukes.




On 7/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Son (works in Old Town Alexandria) says:

Jack's Autobody
703-379-1118
Bailey's Crossroads area

Owner is Jack Kim. Good reputation, "fixes stuff" and supposed to be
reasonable. Several of son's coworkers have used him for body work. "Seems
like an honest and reliable guy who does good work."

On 7/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mike:
>
> Know of any good places in the Woodbridge or Arlington area?
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: andrew strasfogel < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Jul 26, 2006 2:33 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] DC area body shop
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>
> Judging by the bidding insanity on ebay, I think I should repair/replace
> the
> rust on my 1983 300TD and sell it.  Does anyone know of a reliable and
> relatively inexpensive body shop within 25 miles of DC?  I will
primarily
> need floor pans.
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>
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>
> 1977 240D
> 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
> 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle
>



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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump questions

[Dave Wakin]

Check ebay - they sell all kinds of " fuel mileage enhancement" devices. 
Magnets, turbines for your intake, secret devices, etc. :)


Dave W


 Now, somebody tell me how to double my fuel mileage.  My

old 124 diesel (now OK Don's) got 34 mpg.  This beast of a car gets
20-21.

[MBZ] Vacuum pump questions

[Donald Snook]

Thanks to all for the information re: my car and vacuum pumps. I will
sleep better knowing I don't have a pump on my car that could destroy
the engine.  Now, somebody tell me how to double my fuel mileage.  My
old 124 diesel (now OK Don's) got 34 mpg.  This beast of a car gets
20-21.  

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K 

Re: [MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[LT Don]

Ah ... I wasn't aware of that. Guess I learned something (not that I will
retain that knowledge, of course).

On 7/27/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Most email 'vacation' features will only send one message per sender --
at least the ones that aren't totally brain-dead.  (Even Microsoft
Outlook has figured this out.)  The really smart ones detect and ignore
list mail.





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1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump Vacuum Schump

[Donald Snook]

Ok Don wrote: 

 

"Since Marshal answered all your questions except the last one, I'll
take it 

SELL the FORD !!"

 

Believe me, I have tried to get my wife to sell her Explorer. She loves
it.  This is the first Ford I have ever had.  I will say this for it, we
have not had any trouble at all since we bought it three years ago.  We
bought it will 74XXX miles. Now it has 102,000 miles.  I thought I would
hate it and we would have lots of problems (knock wood).  It has been a
fine car.  If the only problem we have is the instrument cluster bulbs
going out, I keep it.  

 

I don't ever have to drive it, unless it is a time when we need an SUV
to haul something. In those situations I am glad we have it. Otherwise,
my wife drives it and all I have to do is bring it to the Ford Dealer
for my free oil changes. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129 

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC

[BillR]

I'll insert a plug for Hotwire.com and hotel rooms.  I got rooms at a
Sheraton for $87 a night in King of Prussia [2 & 3 in a room], and about
$110 at the newly redecorated Roosevelt in New York City [5th Ave about 2
blocks from Grand Central Station].  You don't get the name of the hotel
until you pay, but if you stick with a 4 star in the area you want you can't
go too wrong.  Several @$50 in the Ft. Lauderdale/Boca Raton/Weston area.
Nowhere near the $20, but pretty good for NYC.
BillR
Jacksonville, FL

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of archer
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC

$20 at the Sheraton?  Was that the price per person in a shared room?  In
Florida the rates at Sheraton level hotels are $80-$100 up.
Gerry

- Original Message -
From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC


> Share...
>
> It seems my bro-in-law's pal got us rooms at the Sheraton in OKC on our 
> trip
> back to AZ.
> It seems we're paying $20 for a room. Is it a nice joint?
>
> Bob Rentfro
> '77 300D 157K
> '87 Acura Legend  177K
> Still waiting on '72 350SL  78K
> Litchfield Park, AZ
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC
>
>
>> why in the hell would you want to go there?  Geez, I can think of many
>> other places I would rather go.
>>
>> Donald Snook wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know of nice places to stay in OKC. My wife visited and wants to
>>> go back for our anniversary.  Is "bricktown" the fun place to stay?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donald H. Snook
>>>
>>> 1990 300SEL 129K
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[Luther Gulseth]

which leads us to believe it's a Micro$#it product.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:09:50 -0500, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Most email 'vacation' features will only send one message per sender --
at least the ones that aren't totally brain-dead.  (Even Microsoft
Outlook has figured this out.)  The really smart ones detect and ignore
list mail.

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

only saw that one.

LT Don wrote:


Kleb --

May we assume you have kicked this guy off of the lists so we don't get an
out of the office message with every post?







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'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Just got a pair of silver 115 240D

[Chuck Landenberger]

I know it's not Phriday yet.. but couldn't resist!!!

Corgi makes some cute toy dogs too  :>)

Chuck


 Corgi makes a great car.


Clay
with his new cars, and more on the way




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Re: [MBZ] 90's 300TDt 0-60 times (14 seconds)

[John M McIntosh]

On 26-Jul-06, at 9:13 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:
In my experience almost ALL of the power problems I've seen with  
OM60x.96 (turbo) engines has NOT been a turbo problem, but  
accelerator linkage (when the pedal is pushed the floor, the lever  
on the injection pump MUST move to it's full extent) OR an ALDA set  
too low (or getting insufficient boost pressure from the intake  
manifold).


Thank you, in digging around I found section 30-1010
which describes all the throttle linkage adjustments, mind rod 204 is  
an adjustable slider, versus rod.
I haven't confirmed where the control level ends up in relationship  
to the full load stop, need to wait for daylight.



John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[David Brodbeck]

Most email 'vacation' features will only send one message per sender --
at least the ones that aren't totally brain-dead.  (Even Microsoft
Outlook has figured this out.)  The really smart ones detect and ignore
list mail.

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> only saw that one.
>
> LT Don wrote:
>   
>> Kleb --
>>
>> May we assume you have kicked this guy off of the lists so we don't get an
>> out of the office message with every post?
>> 

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] cheap winter beater for sale -- keep your Benz out of the salt

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Is this a joke?  Got any pics?

LT Don wrote:


Ok, sports fans, daughter-unit bought a new college car this evening. Her
high school car is for sale. Someone is going to get one hell of a deal on
this -- in fact, I am thinking of buying it myself.

1989 Pontiac Sunbird. Butt-cute (has been sideswiped and the driver's door
closes only to the first stop -- easily fixed at your local pick & pull).
Some minor rust issues but no rust-thru's. I was planning to hit it with
POR-15 before she headed off to college, but not now that it is for sale.

By the way, the car's name is Kurtie. Took 3/4 tank of fuel to go round trip
from home to Kansas City -- probably about 35 mpg+. $200 audio system (what
else would a high school student have?), AM/FM/CD. I still have not found
the on/off button on it, so when I drive it I just turn the volume to zero.
I do NOT like Megan's choice of radio stations. Brand new left front tire (4
weeks ago) and new exhaust system (2 weeks ago).

The important stuff is under the hood. Bullet-proof four-banger engine. Only
80K on the car. Brother-in-law (my mechanic) installed new water pump,
timing belt and head gasket at about 65K. Absolutely no oil loss. Had
Mobil-1 until the last oil change (2 weeks ago) since when we bought it when
Megan was 15 (she is now 19).

You could easily drive this car coast to coast a couple of times without
worrying. I am very anal about auto maintenance and that philosophy has
trickled down to Kurtie.

$1000 firm. Pick up in Jefferson IA. Don't bring a car hauler -- you can
drive it home. I will be happy to pick you up at Des Moines or Ames airport
and give you a sofa bed for the night.

Purchase price is less than fixing one winter's worth of rust on your Benz.
No pressure -- this thing will be sucked up within three days of being
advertised. Good, inexpensive, reliable cars are hard to find and this is
definitely one.

Ok -- why is Megan selling it?  She was recently involved in a head-on
altercation between a friend's car and a telephone pole (at 35 mph). She got
smacked in the face with airbags. ... Kurtie doesn't have airbags and she
now (having been there) wants a car with airbags.

So, if you want a winter beater or have a high school student of you own you
needs wheels, this would be a good candidate.

And if no one wants it, that is cool. I sort of want it myself.

D.



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

only saw that one.

LT Don wrote:

Kleb --

May we assume you have kicked this guy off of the lists so we don't get an
out of the office message with every post?

D.


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] AC Conversion??

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, Im just getting tired of screwing with the alternate refrigerants.
 I have a couple of cars, a 123 and a 126 that I can get temps in the
mid 40's with 134.  That seems good enough.

Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:

That's a pretty normal Thing for autofrost etc.
I tried that on one car and it froze me out...for a week when it all 
leaked out.I then switched it to r134 and without any new seals etc, it 
went over a year before needing to be topped off with a can of 134.


--Robert

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Well for instance, the 420 was recharged twice with autofrost, and after 
about a month is gets to where it doesnt cool very well.  Its still a 
virgin r12 system and has not beeen converted to 134


Jim Cathey wrote:

 


Everytime I have used the blends, be it hydrocarbon, or the latest
autofrost.  They seem to work ok at first but not for long, I think 
part

of it seems to leak off faster, where a charge of 134 doesnt.
 


How long is 'long'?  Most of my R12 stable, which has lost the R12
due to slow leaks, now leaks at a rate that requires an annual
recharge.  I don't know how long it'd last in a pristine system.
Fortunately it's only $7 worth of juice, in my case.  And I have
all the tools.  It doesn't take too long.

-- Jim


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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Door locking system

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm finally ready and got up enough nerve to tackle the door/trunk lock  
vacuum system on my '83 300D turbo.  Where on line might I find the test  
procedure?


http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Chassis/80-901.pdf

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Chassis/80-020.pdf

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/chassis_82_do.htm

Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 90's 300TDt 0-60 times (14 seconds)

[Marshall Booth]

John M McIntosh wrote:
Ok, I was thinking the 90's 300TDt was feeling a bit sluggish.  A  
quick test gave a 0-60 time of 14-15 seconds, mmm

A year back I got on the order of 11-12, so something is amiss.

In checking the boost pressure, I find at the ALDA no more than 9  
psi, normal for what benz seemed to ship at the time.
If I disconnect the boost pressure line the acceleration is a bit  
sluggish, well a lot, and we can't really maintain more than 50 mph  
up a hill nearby.
Well that was the same behaviour a year back, still one would think a  
non-turbo 300 should do a bit better?


I'll take hints and wanted to ask two questions>

First I'd like to adjust the KKK turbo to bring the boost up to 12  
psi,  in looking on the web, they all say it's easy, the Garritt is  
hard and then explain the garritt.

So how do you adjust the KKK?

Second I'm not sure about the throttle adjustment, the cable to first  
IP link does travel all the way, but there is a adjustable metal  
slider assembly that then drives
the IP level, I can't find any info on doing any adjustments here  
other than the nylon screw to ensure the cable is tight. I'll note in  
the past someone
adjusted many things on the pump because they marked each adjustment  
point/nut with yellow paint.  That's not moved, but I wonder if I'm  
getting
full throttle.  I realize one can remove the back end of the IP and  
perform other more radical changes, but somehow I should be able to  
get back to what it had

last summer without resorting to exotic alterations.

Lastly I noticed the mpg drop off by 2 mpg over the last 6 tanks.

Things I've not check

a) main fuel filter
b) exhaust issues

Clear small filter is clean so I don't think the main fuel filter  
would be an issue, but I'll replace both filters.


In my experience almost ALL of the power problems I've seen with 
OM60x.96 (turbo) engines has NOT been a turbo problem, but accelerator 
linkage (when the pedal is pushed the floor, the lever on the injection 
pump MUST move to it's full extent) OR an ALDA set too low (or getting 
insufficient boost pressure from the intake manifold).


The only test I know of is to see if the boost pressure goes to ~12 psi 
by 2000 rpm at full load (were the wastegate opens) and remain near 
there (with the wastegate open) all the way out to ~5000 rpm. If the 
ALDA isn't set sufficiently "rich" the boost not only won't go to max by 
2000 but may NEVER reach 12 psi and the wastegate may never open.


The pressure diagram is located here:

 http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/09-0050.pdf 
(page 7)


Note that it rapidly raises up from 6.5 psi at 1600 rpm to max (12 psi) 
by 2000 rpm and stays there all the way out (with the wastegate 
essentially venting any excess boost).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

[MBZ] Door locking system

[Mnetzky1]

I'm finally ready and got up enough nerve to tackle the door/trunk lock  
vacuum system on my '83 300D turbo.  Where on line might I find the test  
procedure?
Thanks.
Mike Netzky

Re: [MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[Luther Gulseth]

oh, that's just nice!

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:37:37 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I will be out of the office starting  07/24/2006 and will not return until
07/31/2006.

I will respond to your message when I return.






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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] A/C

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Levi wrote:

> See if it has the newer fittings?  That's how I was told mine was
> converted...  No guarantee but a good sign.
> 
> Levi
> 
> On 7/26/06, mark maturo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How can I determine if my 1991 607 engine has already been
> > converted from R12 to R34?

The EPA says you _must_ change the fittings if you change the
refrigerant. Each of the refrigerants has it's own fitting, so (in
theory) you can even tell what flavor has been installed. Also, there
is supposed to be a label/tag somewhere with who/what/when info on the
conversion.

In practice, I have seen lots of converted cars with R12 fittings and
no lables. But I have never seen retrofit fittings on a system with
R12!

-- Philip

Re: [MBZ] Power Windows Issue on 76 300D

[John M McIntosh]

Oh timely comment, last night I found in the 90's wagon the 500E  
headlamps I have had one high beam dead. They are powered by a dual  
feed 30AMP relay and that is fed by a benz dual fuse block out of a  
SDL. Struggle with flashlight remove lamp cover behind air box  
(difficult), extract bulb (easy), put replacement H3 back in (hard)  
mess with tool mirror etc to see. Then think mmm fuses... Grrr. Look,  
no they look fine. Try lights, nope, no light on passenger side. Swap  
fuses, no light on driver side.  Sigh, replace fuses, all is fine,  
faulty fuse sure looks ok, but it's not.  Grab +30 H3 bulb out of  
trash and stick in spares.



On 26-Jul-06, at 8:51 AM, R A Bennell wrote:



Thanks. I did find the fuses for the windows in smaller boxes above  
and ahead of the main fuse box. Bad fuse
replaced and all is well again, at least for the moment. Buffed up  
the contacts a bit and put new fuses in.


John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] Replacing vacuum pump and Timing device on 606

[John M McIntosh]

I'll note we had the brake booster fail (leak) on the 90's 300TDt  
last month , this leakdown occurred after a few hours.


Getting in starting the car, and saying the brakes are stiff is an  
understatement. You must stand on
them if you expect to stop the car in one's driveway, not a nice way  
to find this out, that and as Marshal
notes the engine won't shutoff since the vacuum pump is busy trying  
to pull air out of the large vacuum booster.
Wife was not impressed and of course the car sat until the new  
booster came in.


Oh and for some reason the German version of the booster was 1/2 the  
price of the USA version, must be lawyers there...


On 26-Jul-06, at 5:09 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:




Sorry to keep going on about this - but one more ? - what  
indication is
there that the pump has failed?   I assume loss of vacuum to the  
brakes (if

driving) is the most obvious?


Brakes become VERY stiff and it takes a lot of effort to stop the car,
the climate control defaults to DEFROST (full heat) in many cars, the
engine won't turn off with the key and the transmission shift HARSHLY
(bang, bang, bang)!!

Marshall
--



John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

[MBZ] 90's 300TDt 0-60 times (14 seconds)

[John M McIntosh]

Ok, I was thinking the 90's 300TDt was feeling a bit sluggish.  A  
quick test gave a 0-60 time of 14-15 seconds, mmm

A year back I got on the order of 11-12, so something is amiss.

In checking the boost pressure, I find at the ALDA no more than 9  
psi, normal for what benz seemed to ship at the time.
If I disconnect the boost pressure line the acceleration is a bit  
sluggish, well a lot, and we can't really maintain more than 50 mph  
up a hill nearby.
Well that was the same behaviour a year back, still one would think a  
non-turbo 300 should do a bit better?


I'll take hints and wanted to ask two questions>

First I'd like to adjust the KKK turbo to bring the boost up to 12  
psi,  in looking on the web, they all say it's easy, the Garritt is  
hard and then explain the garritt.

So how do you adjust the KKK?

Second I'm not sure about the throttle adjustment, the cable to first  
IP link does travel all the way, but there is a adjustable metal  
slider assembly that then drives
the IP level, I can't find any info on doing any adjustments here  
other than the nylon screw to ensure the cable is tight. I'll note in  
the past someone
adjusted many things on the pump because they marked each adjustment  
point/nut with yellow paint.  That's not moved, but I wonder if I'm  
getting
full throttle.  I realize one can remove the back end of the IP and  
perform other more radical changes, but somehow I should be able to  
get back to what it had

last summer without resorting to exotic alterations.

Lastly I noticed the mpg drop off by 2 mpg over the last 6 tanks.

Things I've not check

a) main fuel filter
b) exhaust issues

Clear small filter is clean so I don't think the main fuel filter  
would be an issue, but I'll replace both filters.



John
1983 300TDt  368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1990's 300TDt  172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)

Re: [MBZ] Intermittant headlamps and bulb warning on

[Peter Frederick]

Marshall:

Headlights are new as of 2004 (hit a deer and took the opportunity to 
replace with Euros -- DEPOs, alas, but Euros).  Use H4 bulbs.


There is less that 0.5V at the wire when the bulb won't light up, 12V 
or so when it does.


This is a pain, as sometimes the headlamp works fine, sometimes not.  
The lamp out indicator USED to come on only with the low beams, but is 
now on all the time after the first time I use the brakes.  Yes, I need 
to replace all the lamps (250,000 miles on Tuesday on the way back from 
DC), but I don't  think bulbs are the problem.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[LT Don]

Kleb --

May we assume you have kicked this guy off of the lists so we don't get an
out of the office message with every post?

D.


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Re: [MBZ] A/C

[Peter Frederick]

There are supposed to be quick connect fittings added.  The presence of 
those fitting (and the conversion sticker) indicate that R134a has been 
used.  R134a gauge sets have the quick connect fittings and cannot be 
used with R12.


Peter

[MBZ] Mark Maturo/HLIFE is out of the office.

[Mark . Maturo]

I will be out of the office starting  07/24/2006 and will not return until
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Re: [MBZ] oil leak

[Mark . Maturo]

Thanks,  it will be this weekends project.


Mark Maturo



   
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mark maturo wrote:
> by the threaded ring you mean the prechamber, right?  Do you know how it
comes out?

NO! The threaded ring is what secures the prechamber to the head. It's
the threaded ring that requires a special splined wrench (602 589 00 33
00) to remove that commonly cracks. I've NEVER heard of a bad prechamber
in a modern engine (unless someone uses starter fluid to start the engine).

http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/01-417.pdf

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[MBZ] cheap winter beater for sale -- keep your Benz out of the salt

[LT Don]

Ok, sports fans, daughter-unit bought a new college car this evening. Her
high school car is for sale. Someone is going to get one hell of a deal on
this -- in fact, I am thinking of buying it myself.

1989 Pontiac Sunbird. Butt-cute (has been sideswiped and the driver's door
closes only to the first stop -- easily fixed at your local pick & pull).
Some minor rust issues but no rust-thru's. I was planning to hit it with
POR-15 before she headed off to college, but not now that it is for sale.

By the way, the car's name is Kurtie. Took 3/4 tank of fuel to go round trip
from home to Kansas City -- probably about 35 mpg+. $200 audio system (what
else would a high school student have?), AM/FM/CD. I still have not found
the on/off button on it, so when I drive it I just turn the volume to zero.
I do NOT like Megan's choice of radio stations. Brand new left front tire (4
weeks ago) and new exhaust system (2 weeks ago).

The important stuff is under the hood. Bullet-proof four-banger engine. Only
80K on the car. Brother-in-law (my mechanic) installed new water pump,
timing belt and head gasket at about 65K. Absolutely no oil loss. Had
Mobil-1 until the last oil change (2 weeks ago) since when we bought it when
Megan was 15 (she is now 19).

You could easily drive this car coast to coast a couple of times without
worrying. I am very anal about auto maintenance and that philosophy has
trickled down to Kurtie.

$1000 firm. Pick up in Jefferson IA. Don't bring a car hauler -- you can
drive it home. I will be happy to pick you up at Des Moines or Ames airport
and give you a sofa bed for the night.

Purchase price is less than fixing one winter's worth of rust on your Benz.
No pressure -- this thing will be sucked up within three days of being
advertised. Good, inexpensive, reliable cars are hard to find and this is
definitely one.

Ok -- why is Megan selling it?  She was recently involved in a head-on
altercation between a friend's car and a telephone pole (at 35 mph). She got
smacked in the face with airbags. ... Kurtie doesn't have airbags and she
now (having been there) wants a car with airbags.

So, if you want a winter beater or have a high school student of you own you
needs wheels, this would be a good candidate.

And if no one wants it, that is cool. I sort of want it myself.

D.

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BIODIESEL -- no oil war required.

1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

Re: [MBZ] Just got a pair of silver 115 240D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

oh

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kaleb,

toy cars

was looking at some after the last show & shine.  There was a dearth of car on 
eBay of Gump sort.  Too many of the Krankenwagen, but no /8, but for one from china 
for $30.  Found a pair of CORGI, toy car and got them.  They are silver.  Will go 
well with Gump for next year to have as example of what the car should look like 
instead of the battle scarred veteran she is

clay


 -- Original message --
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


huh?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Just got a nice matching pair of silver 240D with euro lights and camel 


interior.  Silver paint on both is just to die for.  No  rust at ALL, no marks 
on the paint and the glass is great all around.  Tires look totally good with 
the bundts  From the looks, these have never been driven hard and have really 
low miles.  I will be taking them to the show and shine next year.  Got them on 
eBay for a handful of change.  Originally from England, but have continental set 
up.  Corgi makes a great car.




Clay
with his new cars, and more on the way

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 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] oil leak

[Marshall Booth]

mark maturo wrote:

by the threaded ring you mean the prechamber, right?  Do you know how it comes 
out?


NO! The threaded ring is what secures the prechamber to the head. It's 
the threaded ring that requires a special splined wrench (602 589 00 33 
00) to remove that commonly cracks. I've NEVER heard of a bad prechamber 
in a modern engine (unless someone uses starter fluid to start the engine).


http://mb.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/602_603/01-417.pdf

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Intermittant headlamps Faults

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

I had  a problem with the  right main beam going dim  shortly after
switching it on.  cleaning the earth /ground had no effect .
eventually I traced to a ageing fuse .replacing it  and a through cleaning
of  all the fuse contacts rectified it.

I got a 126 fuse   kit from' Mercedes source ' along with it came a small
instruction sheet explain these elusive faults'
I replaced -All the fuses with the ' correct'  brass ones in the kit .the
kit has enough to do two cars.
even the occasional instrument  light flicker and other electrical gremlins
have disappeared for good.
mak
1990 300SE
1970 280SE
1966 230
1962 220SE
1954 300d


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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:31 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Intermittent headlamps and bulb warning on




Got a mystery for you all -- I have a headlight problem with the 87
300D.  Sometimes the left headlight is on, sometimes off (not the bulb,
replaced it).  Bulb out warning lamp is on all the time now once I use
the brakes after starting.

I wired direct from the fuse to the headlamp on the right side a couple
years ago for the same problem, didn't want to hassle with running the
wire down.

Any ideas on what is going on?  Bulb out warning module?  Loose wires?
This is driving me nuts.  Rain at night on the Beltway in DC this
weekend was a real pain with only one headlamp!

Thanks!

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC

[Kevin]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 08:47:58PM -0400, archer wrote:
> Thanks Bob.  I haven't heard of a $20 price, even in the cheapest 
> hotels/motels, since the 1980s.

Closest I got was about a year and a half ago driving the 87 300D from
TN to CA - $24.95. Triple A discount at a red roof inn in Albuquerque.

K

Re: [MBZ] Intermittant headlamps and bulb warning on

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Frederick wrote:
Got a mystery for you all -- I have a headlight problem with the 87 
300D.  Sometimes the left headlight is on, sometimes off (not the bulb, 
replaced it).  Bulb out warning lamp is on all the time now once I use 
the brakes after starting.


I wired direct from the fuse to the headlamp on the right side a couple 
years ago for the same problem, didn't want to hassle with running the 
wire down.


Any ideas on what is going on?  Bulb out warning module?  Loose wires?  
This is driving me nuts.  Rain at night on the Beltway in DC this 
weekend was a real pain with only one headlamp!


The headlight sockets in 201/124s need to be cleaned from time to time 
and MAY need to be replaced (they MAY char). If the bulb out lamp lights 
when the brake pedal is pressed, one of the 3 brake lights (or contacts) 
is intermittent.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC

[archer]

Thanks Bob.  I haven't heard of a $20 price, even in the cheapest 
hotels/motels, since the 1980s.

Gerry

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC


By bro-in-law has a bud who works for Sheratonit's some kind of 
employee

discount or something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 157K
'87 Acura Legend  177K
Still waiting on '72 350SL  78K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC



$20 at the Sheraton?  Was that the price per person in a shared room?  In
Florida the rates at Sheraton level hotels are $80-$100 up.
Gerry

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC



Share...

It seems my bro-in-law's pal got us rooms at the Sheraton in OKC on our
trip
back to AZ.
It seems we're paying $20 for a room. Is it a nice joint?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 157K
'87 Acura Legend  177K
Still waiting on '72 350SL  78K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:26 PM
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why in the hell would you want to go there?  Geez, I can think of many
other places I would rather go.

Donald Snook wrote:

Anyone know of nice places to stay in OKC. My wife visited and wants 
to

go back for our anniversary.  Is "bricktown" the fun place to stay?



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump Vacuum Schump

[OK Don]

Since Marshal answered all your questions except the last one, I'll take it 

SELL the FORD !!


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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump Vacuum Schump

[LarryT]

Hi Don,
Nope, gas engines create all the vacuum they need.  Only diesels need pumps 
to provide vacuum.  BTW, only the '85 and newer (as far as I know) have vac 
pumps with the possibility of failing and having *bits of metal* get into 
the engine where damage can occur.  The '85 and older - I'm referring to 
W123 mostly - have belt driven pumps - and while they can fail and allow oil 
to get to places where it doesn't belong, they are not designed so damaged 
vac pump metal can get into the engine.


BTW, diesels *do* produce vacuum but it's so very little it's not enough to 
make much use of.


HTH's

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 7:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Vacuum pump Vacuum Schump



There has been lots of talk about vacuum pumps on here lately.  I am
finally concerned.  I have had 6 Mercedes in my driving career and I
have never replaced a vacuum pump and have never had one blow up on me.
Perhaps I am lucky or stupid.   One question I have is do the gas
versions have vacuum pumps?  I know that a gas engine does develop
vacuum whereas a diesel will not generate very much.  But, does Mercedes
put vacuum pumps on gas cars because so many things run off of vacuum on
these cars?



I am sure I will reveal my ignorance, but here are the other questions I
have:



Does my car (1990 300SEL 129K) have a vacuum pump?



If so, do I need to consider replacing it according to the Dr. Booth
advice every 150-200K miles?



If gasser Mercedes do have vacuum pumps, do they last longer than the
ones on diesels?



Does anyone know how to change the light bulbs in the instrument cluster
on a Ford Explorer?   (At night only about half of the gauges are
illuminated and the odometer is dark from 60-80.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K

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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC

[Bob Rentfro]

By bro-in-law has a bud who works for Sheratonit's some kind of employee 
discount or something.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 157K
'87 Acura Legend  177K
Still waiting on '72 350SL  78K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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$20 at the Sheraton?  Was that the price per person in a shared room?  In
Florida the rates at Sheraton level hotels are $80-$100 up.
Gerry

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC



Share...

It seems my bro-in-law's pal got us rooms at the Sheraton in OKC on our
trip
back to AZ.
It seems we're paying $20 for a room. Is it a nice joint?

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 157K
'87 Acura Legend  177K
Still waiting on '72 350SL  78K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC



why in the hell would you want to go there?  Geez, I can think of many
other places I would rather go.

Donald Snook wrote:


Anyone know of nice places to stay in OKC. My wife visited and wants to
go back for our anniversary.  Is "bricktown" the fun place to stay?



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 129K

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum pump Vacuum Schump

[Marshall Booth]

Donald Snook wrote:

There has been lots of talk about vacuum pumps on here lately.  I am
finally concerned.  I have had 6 Mercedes in my driving career and I
have never replaced a vacuum pump and have never had one blow up on me.
Perhaps I am lucky or stupid.   One question I have is do the gas
versions have vacuum pumps?  I know that a gas engine does develop
vacuum whereas a diesel will not generate very much.  But, does Mercedes
put vacuum pumps on gas cars because so many things run off of vacuum on
these cars?  


Diesels and a few older gasoline models (from the '70s) had vacuum pumps.


I am sure I will reveal my ignorance, but here are the other questions I
have: 

Does my car (1990 300SEL 129K) have a vacuum pump? 


NO


If so, do I need to consider replacing it according to the Dr. Booth
advice every 150-200K miles? 

 


If gasser Mercedes do have vacuum pumps, do they last longer than the
ones on diesels? 


The older vacuum pumps (7.20209, 7.20547 and older pumps) used on OM61x 
diesel engines (last manufactured in 1985) were rebuildable. Many lasted 
the life of the engine. When they fail they seldom damaging the engine 
or timer. The newer pumps (7.20607) used on OM60x engines (starting in 
1984) were NOT rebuildable - had to be replaced if/when they failed. The 
older pumps seldom drop parts into the engine. The newer pumps can drop 
parts into the chain vault when they fail and that CAN destroy the 
engine immediately or later.


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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC

[Bob Rentfro]

Thanks, Richard.

BR
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC



If its the Sheraton downtown it is withing a few blocks of the Bricktown
area. There are many nice bars and restaurants in the area. If you like 
beer

I recommend TapWerks. They have over 100 beers from all over the world. My
personal favorite is Newcastle Brown. If you have a favorite they probably
have it.

On 7/26/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I didn't figure it would be a dump.
Hopefully it has a lounge/bar that will be open when I pull in Sunday
night
Sept 10.
Oryou can tell me of somewhere good to go to unwind.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 157K
'87 Acura Legend  177K
Still waiting on '72 350SL  78K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic OKC


> If it's the one downtown - the lobby looks nice :-)
> I've never been beyond it though.
>
> On 7/25/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Share...
>>
>> It seems my bro-in-law's pal got us rooms at the Sheraton in OKC on 
>> our

>> trip
>> back to AZ.
>> It seems we're paying $20 for a room. Is it a nice joint?
>>
>> Bob Rentfro
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 A/C next steps..

[Marshall Booth]

Kevin J. Slater wrote:

My A/C in the 87 300TD stopped working. It's been converted to R134a by
one of the previous owners. So I bought a can of R134a + extras that had a
separate gauge. I connected said gauge to the low side port and started
the car and turned the A/C on high. The pressure was in the green -
somewhere btw 45 and 60 psi, I didn't write down the exact number.

I noticed a couple of things:

1) aux fan didn't kick on. I know the fan works b/c if you apply power
directly it runs.

2) compressor clutch didn't engage. I pulled the leads off the high
pressure switch and shorted them, still no clutch engagement.

What's the next thing I should be looking at?


If you jump pins 5-7 of the KLIMA socket, the clutch should engage!

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Re: [MBZ] Replacing vacuum pump and Timing device on 606

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

Larry:

When my vacuum pump failed, the only indication I got was the loss of power
brakes (still had weak brakes) and harsh shifting.  I figured out that I
lost vacuum for some unknown reason and  drove it 30 more miles to get
home.
I was lucky that drive did not destroy the engine.


I've driven hundreds of miles after a vacuum pump failure (Pittsburgh to 
D.C.)! Not a big deal. If the pump failure doesn't DESTROY the engine 
immediately (my guesstimate is that there's maybe a 2-5% chance of 
that), the chance of the loose parts damaging the engine subsequently is 
considerably smaller (but there is a finite chance of that - and the 
longer you ignore the parts in the sump the more chance you give those 
parts a chance to damage or destroy the engine)..


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Re: [MBZ] Replacing vacuum pump and Timing device on 606

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
Marshall wrote:<< fewer than 20% self destruct by 200kmi and many last MUCH 
longer!>>


That's a *very* troubling statistic!  <1 out of 5 will fail seems like a 
pretty high number.  I guess it's not a safety issue so a recall doesn't 
come into play?


Beats the heck out of having to change a timing belt every 60-80kmi!

Sorry to keep going on about this - but one more ? - what indication is 
there that the pump has failed?   I assume loss of vacuum to the brakes (if 
driving) is the most obvious?


Brakes become VERY stiff and it takes a lot of effort to stop the car, 
the climate control defaults to DEFROST (full heat) in many cars, the 
engine won't turn off with the key and the transmission shift HARSHLY 
(bang, bang, bang)!!


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Re: [MBZ] oil leak

[mark maturo]

by the threaded ring you mean the prechamber, right?  Do you know how it comes 
out?

Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Peter Frederick wrote:
> The heat sheild/seal or the pre-chamber seal is leaking. This allows 
> unburned fuel to slowly ooze out, looks just like 30 wt lubricating 
> oil. If the inside of the thread around the injector is leaking, it's 
> the injector seal, just have it replaced. If the thread for the 
> pre-chamber is leaking, you must have the prechamber pulled and the 
> seal replaced as well.
> 
> I've seen this on several engines (MB and not), drives people nuts 
> looking for an oil leak when the material is residual fuel instead.

What Peter said - EVEN if it doesn't look like that. You need to remove 
the threaded ring - it WILL be cracked - REPLACE it. This is quite 
common with OM60x engines with inclined injection!

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Re: [MBZ] Vac pump 1980 300D

[Marshall Booth]

jgiels wrote:
Well I wouldn't say everything was working perfectly though it worked. I 
have checked the vacuum lines to the ign switch and they are connected.


Another question. Is the steering lock a mechanical lock or is it made from 
the vacuum? And the 14"mg that should be present be on the brown line to the 
ign switch?


I am beginning to susspect the vacuum pump is there a way to test the brake 
vaccum assist?


The steering lock is mechanical - completely unrelated to vacuum.

http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Chassis/46-640.pdf

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