Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Tom Hargrave]

Chuck,

I go one step further. Understanding that brake fluid is hygroscopic - it
readily absorbs water, I change out the fluid in my reservoir whenever I'm
working under the hood. It's cheap insurance against brake parts failure.
Then I flush the system every time I put on new brake pads.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: Chuck Landenberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

Tom,

You are absolutely right regards brake fluid...  If it's black, do a  
flush with a pressure bleeder.  Proper color is a pale yellow!
Remove the reservoir and flush it out w/clean brake fluid.   Also get  
new caps and new grommets for the m/c...  They get brittle with
age

I've seen the reservoir caps pop/leak when they have NOT been replaced.  And
just a reminder..  Protect all the painted areas whenever you are
dealing with brake fluid.  It will take it down to bare metal

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ


On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:

> Don,
>
>  I wonder how many change their brake fluid every 2 - 3 
> years???
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave

[MBZ] Demineralised water (was Zerex G-05) in cars that don't need it

[Hendrik Riessen]

While we are talking cool juice, is it alright to use demineralised water in 
conjuntion with coolant? The tap water in Adelaide is notoriously full of 
all sorts of crap, I'd drink it but am worried it will leave all sorts of 
stuff in the cooling system.


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Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:19 AM
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So  by "MB stuff" you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a
supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05?


Supposedly G05 _is_ the MB stuff.  So the answer to your
other question is color.  I get it at NAPA.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Are wheels from a 1987 190D turbo the same as for a 1987300D turbo?

[Hendrik Riessen]

Far as I know 84 201's had 14" and 85 on had 15". Basically if it has multi 
V belts it is an early version and the single ribbed belt ones should have 
15" wheels fitted.

Main thing is to check the offset.

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1987300D turbo?




Maybe, maybe not -- yes, they will mount, but the 300D came with 124
401 1802 wheels - 6 1/2 X 15.
The 190D came with either 201-400-0702 - 5" X 14"
or B6 6 47 0018  - 6" X 15"wheels (I'm not sure whether the change was).

Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Chuck Landenberger]

Tom,

You are absolutely right regards brake fluid...  If it's black, do a  
flush with a pressure bleeder.  Proper color is a pale yellow!
Remove the reservoir and flush it out w/clean brake fluid.   Also get  
new caps and new grommets for the m/c...  They get brittle with  
age


I've seen the reservoir caps pop/leak when they have NOT been  
replaced.  And just a reminder..  Protect all the painted areas  
whenever you are dealing with brake fluid.  It will take it down to  
bare metal


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ


On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:


Don,

 I wonder how many change their brake fluid every 2 - 3
years???

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave

Re: [MBZ] 1979 MERCEDES BENZ in Ohio $650

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

if you cant tell a diff between a 123 and a 126, you need glasses or 
something.


Sunil Hari wrote:


but seriously, I really want an S-class.  Gotta be LWB, though - I can't
tell the difference btwn a 123 300D and a 126 300SD with SWB.  And I want
that extra legroom for the rear seat.

On 9/8/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


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 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2,
 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Zoltan Finks]

Oh yes, I am working under the assumption that you *start and end on
diesel*, thus clearing all the veggie oil out of the lines and the IP for
when the car is not running

Also: when you say you know the person that fabs. the systems, are you
talking about Frybrid?

So this is not just a standard kit that is made for, say, 123s? It is custom
fit each time?

Is he charging the aforementioned $2400?

Brian
83 240D

On 9/9/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I know the person who fabricates the system and have seen his
installations in many vehicles.  It is TOTALLY SWEET!  Not mass
produced or commercial, but custom fit to your vehicle and engineered.
It is professional and not home built looking.   Each installation
gets better, as Chris is able to meet your individual needs and
perfects the system.

I think Luther? may not like it because there is a possibility that the
fuel is not going to reach temps of 250* F before hitting the IP.  My
experience with the system is that you start in #2 or BioD, the system
heats up, swaps to VO, and when you are ready to not drive, you hit the
purge, it swaps back to #2, and  you turn off the car.

On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

> I am glad about this set of posts. I have wondered for some time now
> which
> veg. conversion company was the best. The first one I became aware of
> was
> Greasecar (and i thought it was some $800).
>
> But there seems to be a lot of serious praise for the Frybrid system
> (ouch,
> about three times as much money). The wife and I have dedided that if
> we are
> going to go through with the conversion on this auto that we like so
> much,
> we want it done right.
>
> Our intentions of getting a beater Mercedes gave way to winding up
> with a
> pretty nice one, save for a bum engine which we had to replace. So we
> are
> now more squeamish about running WVO through it.
>
> Question is: why did one lister say that it is worthless, while
> multiple
> others praise it so?
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
>
>
> On 9/9/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Rory wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone got any leads on the left coast?
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204884101.html
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/204837633.html
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204690577.html
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/204618633.html
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204154791.html  -$1200 SL
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204116880.html  -- Sunil
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/203461890.html  - 350SDL $1k
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/202940736.html  $300 w201
>>
>> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202838765.html  -190D
>>
>>
>>
>> There will be more as the days grow shorter...
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> 1972 220D - Gump
>> 1995 E300D - Cleo
>> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
>> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[Zeitgeist]

Ah, a perfect morale dilemma!

On 9/9/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


But I won't have time to do it.  Catch-22!



Casey
Olympia, WA
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[MBZ] Frybird; why? (was: Re: To Veggie or Not)

[ernest breakfield]

(i'm somewhat hesitant to ask this of someone who has the cult-oil
"Amsoil" in their very e-mail address, but i'll bite anyway;)

   you say Frybird is the best; in light of the many opinions here and
elsewhere to the contrary, would you care to explain why you'd say
that?


cheers!
e


> Frybrid systems are the best hands down, PERIOD.
>
> Yeah the searching part is the hardest if I'm going to buy a 190D 5Sp.
>
> R-

Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Jim Cathey]

So  by "MB stuff" you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a
supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05?


Supposedly G05 _is_ the MB stuff.  So the answer to your
other question is color.  I get it at NAPA.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[OK Don]

Yes - color, and the PO's statement. The G-05 stuff is the exact same
as the MB stuff - made in the same plant to the same formula (source =
Marshall). I either buy the G-o5 locally if it's all I need, or I
include the MB stuff in an order from Rusty. He was way cheaper than
the dealer last time I checked, and I haven't looked back since.

On 9/9/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ok. How did you know that it was in fact MB stuff in those three? Color?

So  by "MB stuff" you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a
supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05?

Is Rusty the cheapest place to get the MB stuff?

Brian
83 240D


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Re: [MBZ] 1975 mercedes 240d $950

[Sunil Hari]

and there's nothing slower than an automatic 240D 

otherwise, it seems like a go.

On 9/9/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is Columbus becoming the Mecca of cheap Mercedes?
Remember, there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes

http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/205022839.html

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Zoltan Finks]

Ok. How did you know that it was in fact MB stuff in those three? Color?

So  by "MB stuff" you mean the actual stuff from the dealer, not a
supposedly suitable replacement such as G-05?

Is Rusty the cheapest place to get the MB stuff?

Brian
83 240D


On 9/9/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As I've stated before, of the 7 MB's I've owned (all purchased used),
those that came from the PO with the green stuff (4) have all had
cooling problems, and those (three) that came with the MB stuff have
been, and remain just fine. I would never put the green stuff in one
of my MBs. That having been said, all bets are off if you don't follow
the maintenance schedule - change the coolant every two years.

On 9/9/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I must admit that my simple faith in G-05 has been shaken. I thought it
was
> the juice of choice (in fact, the only real alternative to Mercedes
stuff)
> for our MB diesels.
>
> So, are there any aluminum parts in my 616 engine?
>
> I could be fine running regular old green stuff? The brown sludge
warning
> sounds nasty!

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Re: [MBZ] Ignition locking update

[Jim Cathey]

I don't know what exactly it would entail to replace the locking 
device in

the column, but I know I don't want to do it if I don't have to.


It's a pain.  But the one problem I had was directly attributable to
old dead grease inside the column lock.  I got it apart and cleaned
and regreased it.  Problem solved.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Tom Hargrave]

Don,

You hit the nail on the head - regular service is the key regardless of what
you use. I wonder how many change their brake fluid every 2 - 3
years???

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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As I've stated before, of the 7 MB's I've owned (all purchased used),
those that came from the PO with the green stuff (4) have all had
cooling problems, and those (three) that came with the MB stuff have
been, and remain just fine. I would never put the green stuff in one
of my MBs. That having been said, all bets are off if you don't follow
the maintenance schedule - change the coolant every two years.

On 9/9/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I must admit that my simple faith in G-05 has been shaken. I thought it
was
> the juice of choice (in fact, the only real alternative to Mercedes stuff)
> for our MB diesels.
>
> So, are there any aluminum parts in my 616 engine?
>
> I could be fine running regular old green stuff? The brown sludge warning
> sounds nasty!

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Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[OK Don]

As I've stated before, of the 7 MB's I've owned (all purchased used),
those that came from the PO with the green stuff (4) have all had
cooling problems, and those (three) that came with the MB stuff have
been, and remain just fine. I would never put the green stuff in one
of my MBs. That having been said, all bets are off if you don't follow
the maintenance schedule - change the coolant every two years.

On 9/9/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I must admit that my simple faith in G-05 has been shaken. I thought it was
the juice of choice (in fact, the only real alternative to Mercedes stuff)
for our MB diesels.

So, are there any aluminum parts in my 616 engine?

I could be fine running regular old green stuff? The brown sludge warning
sounds nasty!


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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Rory]

Frybrid systems are the best hands down, PERIOD.

Yeah the searching part is the hardest if I'm going to buy a 190D 5Sp.

R-

[MBZ] 1975 mercedes 240d $950

[Rick Knoble]

Is Columbus becoming the Mecca of cheap Mercedes? 
Remember, there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes

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I must admit that my simple faith in G-05 has been shaken. I thought it was
the juice of choice (in fact, the only real alternative to Mercedes stuff)
for our MB diesels.

So, are there any aluminum parts in my 616 engine?

I could be fine running regular old green stuff? The brown sludge warning
sounds nasty!

Brian
83 240D


On 9/9/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> G-05 isn't permanent antifreeze, it still has to be changed every two
> years, otherwise the anitcorrosives are consumed and you will indeed
> start collecting sludge -- brown iron oxide sludge instead of aluminum
> oxide sludge, but you will still have trouble.
>
> No matter what you use, it needs to be changed every couple years.
>
> The green coolant is particularly rough on aluminum heads -- in
> conjunction with high salt water, it will corrode them badly enough to
> blow a head gasket even if changed, my sister's Volvo was a mess.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Ignition locking update

[Zoltan Finks]

Thanks. But I did replace the tumbler, and that did not change the problem a
bit. It seems to be the column locking mechanism? Yes, it was those horror
stories that originally motivated me to try to fix this. And yes, I have
gotten "locked up" a handful of times, and only got it unlocked by literally
kicking the column as I twisted the wheel and the key.

I don't know what exactly it would entail to replace the locking device in
the column, but I know I don't want to do it if I don't have to.

But as I said, I seem to have an effective fix for the time being.

Brian
83 240D


On 9/9/06, eric peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


replace the tumbler while it is working (a $75 job).
If it locks up for good it is more like a $500 job
because you have to cut apart the whole steering lock
mechanism.

--- Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am tickled rosy-pink to be able to report that our
> freezing-up ignition
> now seems to be operating how it should.
>
> As I mentioned a couple weeks ago or so, I went
> ahead and squirted some
> petro-molybdenum super juice down into the ignition
> area, worked it around
> numerous times, and LSS (long story short) have
> found that the locking up
> seems to be over with.
>
> What a cheap fix. Couldn't be more pleased.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[Jim Cathey]

Well done, now you are going to be able to afford to come to this side
of the mountains and haul off all the cool benz stuff I found


But I won't have time to do it.  Catch-22!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Peter Frederick]

G-05 isn't permanent antifreeze, it still has to be changed every two 
years, otherwise the anitcorrosives are consumed and you will indeed 
start collecting sludge -- brown iron oxide sludge instead of aluminum 
oxide sludge, but you will still have trouble.


No matter what you use, it needs to be changed every couple years.

The green coolant is particularly rough on aluminum heads -- in 
conjunction with high salt water, it will corrode them badly enough to 
blow a head gasket even if changed, my sister's Volvo was a mess.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Peter Frederick]

Bosch VE (and Yanmar) rotary pumps are fairly fragile as well -- ask 
anyone with a Volvo 24DT.  Lovely engine when it runs right



Peter

Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Tom Hargrave]

I was a G-05 / MB coolant fan but personal experience with my car and
friends cars has pushed me back over to the old fashioned green stuff.

>From my personal observation, G-05 is subject to form a brown sludge in the
cooling system & the sludge will plug up a radiator. This happened in every
car I ran the stuff in, including my 1987 300SDL, my 2001 Jeep Grand
Cherokee and my 1988 Porsche 944. I also changed the radiator in a friends
Chevy because it was plugged with brown sludge. Every one of these vehicles
now runs the green stuff & I'm going back to my 2 year flush & fill routine.

I did some research and the sludge is iron oxide, AKA, the results of
corrosion. The manufacturer's of the stuff admit that this "can occur" have
a list of "do nots" to prevent it from occurring. One is to not let air into
the system. I don't know of a cooling system that does not contact the air
through the surge or overflow tank.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:23 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it


I think that the answer is somewhat ambiguously written on the bottle, but
I'll go ahead and ask:

Is there any harm in running Zerex G-05 in a car that doesn't require it?

Actually, I'm not certain that the car in question (84 Saab 900) doesn't
require it - I was told by the PO that it should have (I forget) the red
stuff or the orange stuff. But looking at the manual for the car, it looks
like any green stuff will suffice. It says it should have, low-phospate,
aluminum-compatible, rust-inhibiting juice.

Since I intend to run the G-05 in my 240D, I bought enough to go for both
cars.

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900
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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[dave walton]

The Mercedes inline injection pumps are very forgiving of the
increased viscosity of vegoil. I have no direct experience, but have
heard of the rotary style Lucas/CAV pumps failing, but they tend to
fail on diesel too.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 9/8/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Frybrid is worthless.  Won't heat the veg hot enough to be as thin as diesel.  
That temp is well over 250F.  Buy a OM617 Mercedes and run a mix of diesel or 
biodiesel and wvo.  As some have said, the 617 can run most anything up to 
bannana sluge :D

Luther

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:49:29 -0500, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe some of you all can help me out.
> I'm trying to decide if I should convert my 97 Dodge Ram 3500 to run
> on veggie oil using the Frybrid system (no I don't want anybodys
> else's system) or take that money and buy a Mercedes.
>
> Here are my stats.
> I drive 120 miles total to and from work
> Frybrid system $2300 with a 90 gallon tank
> Fuel $3.10
> Avg. MPG 19
>
> I think the 190 will get the best MPG but are kinda rare.
> Could go the VW route but hard to find at the right price
>
>
> So just looking for feedback.
> Oh and gas powered is not an option for me, I love oil burners.
>
>
> Thanks all
>
> Rory
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[redghost]

Well done, now you are going to be able to afford to come to this side 
of the mountains and haul off all the cool benz stuff I found


On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


which ones are the insurance industry? Monkeys or the Evil Empire?


Well, probably closer to the EE, though no doubt staffed extensively
by M's.  I, however, am now in the agent support industry so in theory
I've avoided both plagues.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[redghost]

I know the person who fabricates the system and have seen his 
installations in many vehicles.  It is TOTALLY SWEET!  Not mass 
produced or commercial, but custom fit to your vehicle and engineered.  
 It is professional and not home built looking.   Each installation 
gets better, as Chris is able to meet your individual needs and 
perfects the system.


I think Luther? may not like it because there is a possibility that the 
fuel is not going to reach temps of 250* F before hitting the IP.  My 
experience with the system is that you start in #2 or BioD, the system 
heats up, swaps to VO, and when you are ready to not drive, you hit the 
purge, it swaps back to #2, and  you turn off the car.


On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:08 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

I am glad about this set of posts. I have wondered for some time now 
which
veg. conversion company was the best. The first one I became aware of 
was

Greasecar (and i thought it was some $800).

But there seems to be a lot of serious praise for the Frybrid system 
(ouch,
about three times as much money). The wife and I have dedided that if 
we are
going to go through with the conversion on this auto that we like so 
much,

we want it done right.

Our intentions of getting a beater Mercedes gave way to winding up 
with a
pretty nice one, save for a bum engine which we had to replace. So we 
are

now more squeamish about running WVO through it.

Question is: why did one lister say that it is worthless, while 
multiple

others praise it so?

Brian
83 240D


On 9/9/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Rory wrote:




Anyone got any leads on the left coast?

Rory




http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204884101.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/204837633.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204690577.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/204618633.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204154791.html  -$1200 SL

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204116880.html  -- Sunil

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/203461890.html  - 350SDL $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/202940736.html  $300 w201

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202838765.html  -190D



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Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[Jim Cathey]

So, I'm not clear here - are congratulations or commiserations in
order for your new-found employment?


When I know, you'll know!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[OK Don]

So, I'm not clear here - are congratulations or commiserations in
order for your new found employment?

On 9/9/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> which ones are the insurance industry? Monkeys or the Evil Empire?

Well, probably closer to the EE, though no doubt staffed extensively
by M's.  I, however, am now in the agent support industry so in theory
I've avoided both plagues.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Are wheels from a 1987 190D turbo the same as for a 1987 300D turbo?

[OK Don]

Maybe, maybe not -- yes, they will mount, but the 300D came with 124
401 1802 wheels - 6 1/2 X 15.
The 190D came with either 201-400-0702 - 5" X 14"
or B6 6 47 0018  - 6" X 15"wheels (I'm not sure whether the change was).

I wouldn't worry about the difference between 6" and 6 1/2" width
differences between the 15" wheels, but I'd not want to use the
smaller  5" X 14" wheels on the 300D, even though they will bolt on.

On 9/9/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I found a person that would like to sell the wheels from his 1987 190D
> turbo. I would like to mount these on my 1987 300D turbo. Are they
> compatable?

In general, so far as I understand, 124 and 201 wheels are common
to each other.  (As were 114/115/107/116/123/126.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[Jim Cathey]

which ones are the insurance industry? Monkeys or the Evil Empire?


Well, probably closer to the EE, though no doubt staffed extensively
by M's.  I, however, am now in the agent support industry so in theory
I've avoided both plagues.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[LarryT]

Jim responded to the comment:: 

I don't know, as of this week I'm employed in the insurance industry.
In a programming capacity.



So, Jim, which ones are the insurance industry? Monkeys or the Evil Empire?
;-)

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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What do  you want to do?  I am sure I can get you most blue, white,
pink or grey collar job.  Not able to help Jim C.  He has standards and
will not work for monkeys... or I suspect evil empire


I don't know, as of this week I'm employed in the insurance industry.
In a programming capacity.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

[Peter Frederick]

I personally believe that there was some confusion at that particular 
site about which runway threshold was which -- they cross at about the 
start point on one of the runways, terrible design.  I'm not a pilot, 
but I suspect it's not very common to watch directional heading 
(particularly on a mag compass!) while performing a take-off run, and I 
have a terrible feeling that the aircraft wasn't lined up exactly down 
the runway when the throttles were opened up and the pilot "swung the 
rest of the way around" onto the wrong centerline.


I've been in far more than one commercial aircraft that wasn't pointed 
exactly down the centerline when acceleration started, swinging that 
last bit to straighten out and line up as the run started.


Probably far too late to stop by the time the "oops" got noticed.  
Pretty horrible thought to imagine seeing the threshold marks appear in 
front of you just as you reach V1


I friend of mine who is a pilot thought they should have tried to stop, 
but I suspect a tree line at 120 knots while overrunning the runway 
would make me pull back on the stick and pray, too!


The cockpit recorder should help find out what happened, and at least 
those two runways need to be separated with separate taxiways.


Deregulation has not been good for the airline industry, neither is the 
lack of a national pension program that all businesses are required to 
participate in.


Peter

[MBZ] Are wheels from a 1987 190D turbo the same as for a 1987 300D turbo?

[RICHARD FIne]

Hello,
I posted this yesterday, but didn't get a clear answer, maybe someone can see 
today and answer.

I found a person that would like to sell the wheels from his 1987 190D turbo. I 
would like to mount these on my 1987 300D turbo. Are they compatable?

Thanks,

Richard
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> I found a person that would like to sell the wheels from his 1987 190D
> turbo. I would like to mount these on my 1987 300D turbo. Are they
> compatable?

In general, so far as I understand, 124 and 201 wheels are common
to each other.  (As were 114/115/107/116/123/126.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[Jim Cathey]

What do  you want to do?  I am sure I can get you most blue, white,
pink or grey collar job.  Not able to help Jim C.  He has standards and
will not work for monkeys... or I suspect evil empire


I don't know, as of this week I'm employed in the insurance industry.
In a programming capacity.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Ignition locking update

[eric peterson]

replace the tumbler while it is working (a $75 job). 
If it locks up for good it is more like a $500 job
because you have to cut apart the whole steering lock
mechanism.

--- Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am tickled rosy-pink to be able to report that our
> freezing-up ignition
> now seems to be operating how it should.
> 
> As I mentioned a couple weeks ago or so, I went
> ahead and squirted some
> petro-molybdenum super juice down into the ignition
> area, worked it around
> numerous times, and LSS (long story short) have
> found that the locking up
> seems to be over with.
> 
> What a cheap fix. Couldn't be more pleased.
> 
> Brian
> 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

[Trampas]

I use to use the same trick to remove pilot bushings from crank shafts. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

Yes it is! Never thought of that, it's elegant in it's simplicity!

On 9/8/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That *IS* a neat trick!
>


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Re: [MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Mitch Haley]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> 
> Actually, I'm not certain that the car in question (84 Saab 900) doesn't
> require it - I was told by the PO that it should have (I forget) the red
> stuff or the orange stuff. 

I was a Saab indy until 1989. Use anything you want. At least your H engine has
an external water pump.

Now that G-05 is available, I'd not use anything with silicates in it with the
older (1980 and earlier) B20 engine. Water pump issues were more serious in that
engine. The water pump drove off the intermediate shaft, along with the 
distributor,
and was inside the block. Need a special puller to service the water pump.l 
Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT Saab List Don't Slay Me

[Zoltan Finks]

Yeah Mike,

Thanks. I will ask the question, and if you think that this Saab talk should
be continued off-list, feel free to email me directly - will probably save
some ruffled feathers.

The question: In my 84 900, the two center fresh air vents have seemed to
cease to be able to let any air through. I checked the fresh air "box" (the
sort of cowl vent on the hood, and the black plastic box which contains an
air filter) for debris, and it was pretty clean.

Actually, lately, it seems that not as much air comes out of any of the
other vents either, no matter how high I turn on the fan. Yes, the fan seems
to be operating normally.

Thanks - Brian
the email addy. is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]P.S. Thanks, Mitch, for the
tip on Duluth

On 9/4/06, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm not a Saab expert but I know a couple that I could ask if you have
specific questions.

Mike
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Saab List Don't Slay Me


> Forgive the transgression, but I have a question for those on the list
> that
> may also own a Saab, such as Mitch:
>
> What is a good discussion list to be on, for information/advice on my
> classic 900?
>
> I have been signed up for the discussion list at Saabnet, but found
> traffic
> there to be quite slow (perhaps I was in digest though). And since my
> email
> account got wiped clean, I seem to no longer be signed up. I tried to
sign
> up tonight, and the email addy seems to be bad.
>
> I also signed up for some Craigs Saab List, but there appeared to be
only
> some dozen posts or so in the last three years.
>
> So I turn to my vibrant and awesome MB list! Where else would I go, but
> the
> collective gurus on the MB mountain?
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
> 84 Saab 900
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[MBZ] Zerex G-05 in cars that don't need it

[Zoltan Finks]

I think that the answer is somewhat ambiguously written on the bottle, but
I'll go ahead and ask:

Is there any harm in running Zerex G-05 in a car that doesn't require it?

Actually, I'm not certain that the car in question (84 Saab 900) doesn't
require it - I was told by the PO that it should have (I forget) the red
stuff or the orange stuff. But looking at the manual for the car, it looks
like any green stuff will suffice. It says it should have, low-phospate,
aluminum-compatible, rust-inhibiting juice.

Since I intend to run the G-05 in my 240D, I bought enough to go for both
cars.

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900

[MBZ] Ignition locking update

[Zoltan Finks]

I am tickled rosy-pink to be able to report that our freezing-up ignition
now seems to be operating how it should.

As I mentioned a couple weeks ago or so, I went ahead and squirted some
petro-molybdenum super juice down into the ignition area, worked it around
numerous times, and LSS (long story short) have found that the locking up
seems to be over with.

What a cheap fix. Couldn't be more pleased.

Brian
83 240D

Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Zoltan Finks]

I am glad about this set of posts. I have wondered for some time now which
veg. conversion company was the best. The first one I became aware of was
Greasecar (and i thought it was some $800).

But there seems to be a lot of serious praise for the Frybrid system (ouch,
about three times as much money). The wife and I have dedided that if we are
going to go through with the conversion on this auto that we like so much,
we want it done right.

Our intentions of getting a beater Mercedes gave way to winding up with a
pretty nice one, save for a bum engine which we had to replace. So we are
now more squeamish about running WVO through it.

Question is: why did one lister say that it is worthless, while multiple
others praise it so?

Brian
83 240D


On 9/9/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Rory wrote:

>
>
> Anyone got any leads on the left coast?
>
> Rory
>
>

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204884101.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/204837633.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204690577.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/204618633.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204154791.html  -$1200 SL

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204116880.html  -- Sunil

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/203461890.html  - 350SDL $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/202940736.html  $300 w201

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202838765.html  -190D



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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[redghost]

On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:32 PM, Rory wrote:




Anyone got any leads on the left coast?

Rory




http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204884101.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/204837633.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204690577.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/204618633.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204154791.html  -$1200 SL

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/204116880.html  -- Sunil

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/203461890.html  - 350SDL $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/202940736.html  $300 w201

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/202838765.html  -190D



There will be more as the days grow shorter...


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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] Jim Cathey bring your trailer!!!!!

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/202696774.html

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] Stick 300D

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/203929237.html

$700
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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] TD for Jim Cathey

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/203984734.html

$1500

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[redghost]

I have seen a number of the frybrid systems in the flesh.  These are 
REALLY NICE.  They are a quality engineered system.  Unless you are 
going to be needing to haul stuff though, I would vote Benz, either 
w124 or 201.  Use less fuel and be more fun to drive.


On Sep 8, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Rory wrote:


Maybe some of you all can help me out.
I'm trying to decide if I should convert my 97 Dodge Ram 3500 to run
on veggie oil using the Frybrid system (no I don't want anybodys
else's system) or take that money and buy a Mercedes.

Here are my stats.
I drive 120 miles total to and from work
Frybrid system $2300 with a 90 gallon tank
Fuel $3.10
Avg. MPG 19

I think the 190 will get the best MPG but are kinda rare.
Could go the VW route but hard to find at the right price


So just looking for feedback.
Oh and gas powered is not an option for me, I love oil burners.


Thanks all

Rory

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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Desert Rat]

I know of a clean one owner 82 or so W123 with 178K miles on it at my Indie.
Nice car and CA raised. Last I saw it, he was asking 5K for it.

On 9/8/06, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You guys all have great points. I know my 350HP truck will last for
well over 500k miles but multiple that with fuel costs and we are
talking about my son's college fund.

I love driving the truck, nice to look at all the pretty girls. But
driving in a sweet looking MBZ would cool too. Plus I would still feel
very secure driving it.

So I guess my next step is find a clean MBZ with working A/C and I
love my power windows and creature comforts. eBay and Criagslist look
out, oh yeah Auto Trader too.

Anyone got any leads on the left coast?

Rory

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Re: [MBZ] Moral dilemma

[redghost]

What do  you want to do?  I am sure I can get you most blue, white, 
pink or grey collar job.  Not able to help Jim C.  He has standards and 
will not work for monkeys... or I suspect evil empire


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On 9/6/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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back

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Re: [MBZ] Chuck Landenberger - by law questions

[Christopher McCann]

That makes sense. If such changes must constantly be put to a referendum, 
progress is seriously hampered. 
 
 I am the Marketing manager for a small non-profit company, so I understand 
what you are saying. Also noticed that the club was about $60,000 in the black 
for last year. Video conferencing is alot cheaper than plane tickets, hotels, 
meals, etc.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris
 
 

Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris,

The short answer is...  I voted for the ByLaw change in order to give  
the Board authority to react and be flexible...  Here's more...

At present, the Board of MBCA is composed of 8 Directors at Large  
(DAL's) and 11 Regional Directors (RD's).  I  think it is a little  
"top heavy"  This ByLaw change will enable the Board to reduce the  
number of DAL's without going for membership for approval of each  
change to a specific number of DAL's...   Provides for flexibility  
based on conditions.  I do believe that some "tweeking" of the ByLaw  
should be introduced to restrict the  number of DAL's that could be  
cut or added by the Board during some fixed period.   Hey, perfection  
doesn't happen on the first edition!

MBCA is a non-profit "business" that must adapt to current  
conditions.  I believe that the elected representatives should have  
the ability/authority to be flexible.  And part of that is to  
"adjust" the size of the management group which will also reduce the  
costs associated with the semi-annual Board Meetings.  If I make the  
cut, I will work toward having only ONE physical Board Meeting  
annually, with several "internet based" Board Meetings via either  
video and/or voice connections.  And would make it available in an  
open environment so all members could connect .  It's time we got  
with the current technology and used it.

And an associated issue at the Fall Board Meeting here in Phoenix  
will be the "realignment" of sections within regions.  The section/ 
region "construct" has been the same for too many years.  As a  
"business", it is incumbent upon the board (IMHO) to assess, and  
regularly reassess, the viability/financial soundness/size of all  
sections in and develope a long range plan that will make the club a  
more vibrant and dynamic voice for Mercedes-Benz owners/ 
enthusiasts.  The next step may/will involve section mergers  
perhaps.

The enormous talents of our MBCA membership have long been ignored.   
What if we could build a "business model", using member knowledge/ 
experience, and develop that "long range plan"...  What the club  
should be in five years  We can't stand still!!!

In the past several years, both PCA and BMWCCA have grown in size,  
while MBCA has lost members.  I'll do all I can to revitalize how  
MBCA works.

Hope I answered your inquiry  More questions?   Just ask

Sorry we missed when I came thru Kansas City last year..   
Hope we can do a "face to face" some time and swap stories..!!

Take care and be safe,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1992 500E  Big Bro' and we're goin' to Starfest '06 in Vegas..
1986 190E 2.3 16V  Lil' Bro'...  Hope he doesn't get  
jealous..

On Sep 8, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Christopher McCann wrote:

> Chuck,
>
>   What is your take on the proposed changes to the by-laws?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Chris
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Rory]

You guys all have great points. I know my 350HP truck will last for
well over 500k miles but multiple that with fuel costs and we are
talking about my son's college fund.

I love driving the truck, nice to look at all the pretty girls. But
driving in a sweet looking MBZ would cool too. Plus I would still feel
very secure driving it.

So I guess my next step is find a clean MBZ with working A/C and I
love my power windows and creature comforts. eBay and Criagslist look
out, oh yeah Auto Trader too.

Anyone got any leads on the left coast?

Rory

Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

[LT Don]

My understanding/experience is that once the tower says "cleared for
takeoff, runway x" the ATC duties end until the pilot contacts departure
after the climb out.

On 9/8/06, Bill Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Also to add, there are protocol to follow between tower and the pilot.
The control tower is the boss and instructions are given and a response
is required, and a confirmation to confirm both parties understand the
instructions This policy was established to prevent mis-understand
between two parties and to prevent accidents . Business often use it
but you get the human condition to "GO" on the first word, and disaster
sometimes happens . We are not robots to follow instructions all the
time . human error . should be computerized to remove the human
error 

Bill
1981 300 TD





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Re: [MBZ] 1979 MERCEDES BENZ in Ohio $650

[Sunil Hari]

but seriously, I really want an S-class.  Gotta be LWB, though - I can't
tell the difference btwn a 123 300D and a 126 300SD with SWB.  And I want
that extra legroom for the rear seat.

On 9/8/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil Hari wrote:
>
> I saw this car - it's up near columbus, OH - has no backseat, servo CC
that
> doesn't work, and doesn't always shut off.  Has been sitting for more
than a
> year.  Some other minor issues, but those are the big ones.

OK, forget my last message.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

[Bill Gallagher]

Also to add, there are protocol to follow between tower and the pilot. 
The control tower is the boss and instructions are given and a response 
is required, and a confirmation to confirm both parties understand the 
instructions This policy was established to prevent mis-understand 
between two parties and to prevent accidents . Business often use it 
but you get the human condition to "GO" on the first word, and disaster 
sometimes happens . We are not robots to follow instructions all the 
time . human error . should be computerized to remove the human 
error 


Bill
1981 300 TD


LT Don wrote:

Sounds like most of you were operating small aircraft at small strips. I
know from experience that when you are at a "big" airport and getting out
quickly is required, a turn from taxiway to runway at max speed is often
done and you just slap the throttles to the firewall. The "no reason to
check" gene kicks in, since you "know" you are on the correct runway -- V1
and V2 are way more important at that point than runway heading on the mag
compass.

On 9/8/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Now THAT sounds like fun!



When there was a new guy handling operations at the field, some of the
older glider pilots liked to drop low on final and fly over the swamp,
then up the hill to the runway in ground effect.  From the ops cart they
would disappear completely for a few seconds.  Never failed to get a
strong reaction.

  

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Re: [MBZ] Chuck Landenberger - by law questions

[Chuck Landenberger]

Yeah Mitch,

The "earnings" report of MBCA certainly won't have an impact on the  
"market" or the Federal Reserve decision on interest rates, BUT I  
believe the membership of MBCA deserves to have an open opportunity  
to talk/connect with the "guys they elected"!


I guess that's sorta' like a conference call for a corporation!  As  
members we do have an investment in how OUR club is managed!


I don't remember... Are you an MBCA member?

Take care and be safe,

Chuck
 Phoenix, AZ
On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Chuck Landenberger wrote:

I will work toward having only ONE physical Board Meeting
annually, with several "internet based" Board Meetings via either
video and/or voice connections.  And would make it available in an
open environment so all members could connect .  It's time we got
with the current technology and used it.


Something like a conference call on earnings release day for a
corporation?

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[MBZ] OT - Comair crash

[wilton strickland]

'Had to abort major mission across north pole on B-52H  33 yrs ago 'cause
heading system and radar scope presentation differed by 2 degrees from
correct runway orientation when when we took runway.   B-52H then had very
good and accurate heading and bombing/navigation stabilization system, but
when it went wrong, it could be VERY wrong.  I would not start into high
arctic with erroneous system.
At least a cursory rolling heading check when Comair took runway may have
saved 49 lives and more.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Luther Gulseth]

Frybrid is worthless.  Won't heat the veg hot enough to be as thin as diesel.  
That temp is well over 250F.  Buy a OM617 Mercedes and run a mix of diesel or 
biodiesel and wvo.  As some have said, the 617 can run most anything up to 
bannana sluge :D

Luther

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:49:29 -0500, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Maybe some of you all can help me out.
I'm trying to decide if I should convert my 97 Dodge Ram 3500 to run
on veggie oil using the Frybrid system (no I don't want anybodys
else's system) or take that money and buy a Mercedes.

Here are my stats.
I drive 120 miles total to and from work
Frybrid system $2300 with a 90 gallon tank
Fuel $3.10
Avg. MPG 19

I think the 190 will get the best MPG but are kinda rare.
Could go the VW route but hard to find at the right price


So just looking for feedback.
Oh and gas powered is not an option for me, I love oil burners.


Thanks all

Rory






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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Tom Hargrave]

It's not likely the unheated veggie that coked up his rings, it's more
likely the glycerin in the grease. That's why many users are going through
the trouble of converting grease to biodiesel.


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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Almost makes me wish I was driving enough to justify buying the kit for my
ride.  At ~$100/wk for diesel, & if you're getting your oil for nearly
nothing the payback is pretty quick.  Just heard on another list about
someone who coked his rings running unheated veggie; looks like Frybrid
covers that issue pretty effectively.  If the D/R is running like a keeper
I'd just go for it.  Are these components you can easily adapt to another
ride when & if the time comes?

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[MBZ] OT No trees in Texas

[Frederick Moir]

Certainly there are trees in Texas, Alamos! (Cottonwoods)
  Fred Moir
  Lynn Ma
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Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Joe Knight]

Almost makes me wish I was driving enough to justify buying the kit for my
ride.  At ~$100/wk for diesel, & if you're getting your oil for nearly
nothing the payback is pretty quick.  Just heard on another list about
someone who coked his rings running unheated veggie; looks like Frybrid
covers that issue pretty effectively.  If the D/R is running like a keeper
I'd just go for it.  Are these components you can easily adapt to another
ride when & if the time comes?

-joe

Re: [MBZ] 1979 MERCEDES BENZ in Ohio $650

[Mitch Haley]

Sunil Hari wrote:
> 
> I saw this car - it's up near columbus, OH - has no backseat, servo CC that
> doesn't work, and doesn't always shut off.  Has been sitting for more than a
> year.  Some other minor issues, but those are the big ones.

OK, forget my last message.

Re: [MBZ] 1979 MERCEDES BENZ in Ohio $650

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Knoble wrote:
> 
> 300sd 116
> http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/204530019.html

Time for Sunil to get an S-class. He's going to be a doctor soon.
I'd wager that the driver's window is more likely to need a regulator
than a switch cleaning. Listen for the hum and clunk when you try
the window switch. If it's silent, the problem is with switch, wiring,
or motor.

[MBZ] 1979 MERCEDES BENZ in Ohio $650

[Rick Knoble]

300sd 116
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/204530019.html

In Galena, OH. 
No affiliation, ect.
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I saw this car - it's up near columbus, OH - has no backseat, servo CC that
doesn't work, and doesn't always shut off.  Has been sitting for more than a
year.  Some other minor issues, but those are the big ones.

No backseat!

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> 300sd 116
> http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/car/204530019.html
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> In Galena, OH.
> No affiliation, ect.
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Re: [MBZ] Chuck Landenberger - by law questions

[Mitch Haley]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:
> I will work toward having only ONE physical Board Meeting
> annually, with several "internet based" Board Meetings via either
> video and/or voice connections.  And would make it available in an
> open environment so all members could connect .  It's time we got
> with the current technology and used it.

Something like a conference call on earnings release day for a
corporation?

Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Mitch Haley]

If the frybrid is $2300, and a halfway decent 190d (non-turbo) is $2300 
(that's very close to what I paid for my 190E 2.3-16v), I'd go for the
190D. Even if we're talking $5-6k for a 300d 2.5, I'd be leaning towards
the car. A good used Cummins motor costs more than a non-pristine 190d
if something goes wrong with the veggie conversion. I'm with you on VW 
pricing. I wanted a turbo Jetta, circa 1986, but a useable one would
have cost twice what I paid for my 300SD, and that's what got me started
with MBZ back in 2002.
Mitch

Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

[Tom Hargrave]

I just checked out their web site - I'm impressed. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] To Veggie or Not

And here I thought you were looking for some cooking tips. (Hint -- beans
and rice.)

D.

On 9/8/06, Rory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe some of you all can help me out.
> I'm trying to decide if I should convert my 97 Dodge Ram 3500 to run 
> on veggie oil using the Frybrid system (no I don't want anybodys 
> else's system) or take that money and buy a Mercedes.
>
> Here are my stats.
> I drive 120 miles total to and from work Frybrid system $2300 with a 
> 90 gallon tank Fuel $3.10 Avg. MPG 19
>
> I think the 190 will get the best MPG but are kinda rare.
> Could go the VW route but hard to find at the right price
>
>
> So just looking for feedback.
> Oh and gas powered is not an option for me, I love oil burners.
>
>
> Thanks all
>
> Rory
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Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006

[Tom Hargrave]

Don,

I guess a couple of years make quite a difference. I know that my on-line
customer base is always changing. 


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of LT Don
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006

With you in the mix, I now recognize twelve names.

On 9/8/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Rusty,
>
> Include me please.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Rusty
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 2:27 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006
>
> Another reminder about this year's upcoming RustyQ gathering. It's 
> October 28th at high noon in Atlanta. Beer, Wine, Soft Drinks, 
> Barbeque Pork & Chicken, all the fixins. Bring your wives, 
> girlfriends, kids & pets. Most of all bring your cars, so we can all 
> look at them.
> Festivities end whenever. Please RSVP so we don't run out of anything 
> (we never have). Call us at 1-800-741-5252 and join the fun. Below is 
> a list of everyone who has RSVP'd so far.
>
>
> Ken Wiemer
>
> Kaleb Striplin
>
> Regina Striplin
>
> Chris Kueny
>
> Colin Kueny
>
> Bill Ricker
>
> Tarek Elshanway
>
> Rusty Cullens
>
> Teri Cullens
>
> Jane Mills
>
> Jack Mills
>
> Gary Hurst
>
> Tom Benedikt
>
> Sue Benedikt
>
> Drew Tibcken
>
> Linda Tibcken
>
> Daryl Swain
>
> Matthew Patterson
>
> Todd Knutson
>
> Terry Knutson
>
> Ron Frazier
>
> Laura Frazier
>
> Jay Tutt
>
> Kay Tutt
>
> Pete Manchee
>
> Tess Manchee
>
> Jim Ellington
>
> Bo Cullens
>
> Aline Cullens
>
> Dan Steadman
>
> Sandy Steadman
>
> Chip Lamb
>
> Jaime Kopchinski
>
> Fred Weprich
>
> Darlene Weprich
>
> David White
>
> Theresa White
>
> Rusty Cullens Jr.
>
> Katie Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Comair crash

[LT Don]

Sounds like most of you were operating small aircraft at small strips. I
know from experience that when you are at a "big" airport and getting out
quickly is required, a turn from taxiway to runway at max speed is often
done and you just slap the throttles to the firewall. The "no reason to
check" gene kicks in, since you "know" you are on the correct runway -- V1
and V2 are way more important at that point than runway heading on the mag
compass.

On 9/8/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Now THAT sounds like fun!

>
> When there was a new guy handling operations at the field, some of the
> older glider pilots liked to drop low on final and fly over the swamp,
> then up the hill to the runway in ground effect.  From the ops cart they
> would disappear completely for a few seconds.  Never failed to get a
> strong reaction.
>

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