Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
typically, a yellow is -supposed- to last one second for every 10MPH of the speed limit. So a 35MPH zone -should- have a 3.5second yellow light, +/-. On 10/2/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I lived in Tallahassee they used countdown timers on the yellow for some major intersections. That was 1967-1969, and I have no idea if they still have them. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 280082 miles [last week, anyway] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams rumor has it that ernest wrote: wouldn't it be nice if there were a standard for how long yellow lights were going to be so we would be better able to determine how much time we actually had? But it needs to vary depending on the speed limit. It would be silly to have a 8 sec yellow in a 20 mph (30 km/h) zone - but anything less is too short for a 60 mph (100 km/h) zone. Somewhere (maybe another country?) I saw a countdown timer with the traffic light. I don't remember if it was counting the red, yellow or the green. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
agreed. here i see a lot of lights that have countdowns for the pedestrian crosswalks; winds up drivers use them as countdowns to yellow... cheers! e Fmiser wrote: But it needs to vary depending on the speed limit. It would be silly to have a 8 sec yellow in a 20 mph (30 km/h) zone - but anything less is too short for a 60 mph (100 km/h) zone. Somewhere (maybe another country?) I saw a countdown timer with the traffic light. I don't remember if it was counting the red, yellow or the green. -- Philip
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
i'd argue that *if* (big IF) the timers for the yellows are reasonably coordinated with the speeds expected at the intersection and you can't stop your vehicle (whatever type it might be) before you wind up entering an intersection on a red, you're moving too fast, and/or your vehicles braking system is inadequate. cheers! e Fmiser wrote: In theory, sure. But it's hard to predict how long you'll have, so you can never be completely sure you'll get clear. I've had a few turn red while I was under them where I would have had to stop pretty abruptly to avoid going through the intersection. Then try it with a 80,000 lb (36,000 kg) truck and trailer combination! I have run many red lights 'cause the traffic engineer didn't figure on the stopping distance of a big truck. I knew how long it would take to stop my truck, so I made my own yellow light. Once I crossed that point, there was no value in trying to stop. -- Philip, whose 240D stops - and accelerates - quicker than a big truck
[MBZ] Exhaust
My exhaust is rotting on my 1991 350SD. Priced the center and rear muffler and comes to around $600. Does anyone know if the center muffler can be eliminated. Is it for noise or emissions? Thanks Mark Maturo
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
ernest breakfield wrote: i'd argue that *if* (big IF) the timers for the yellows are reasonably coordinated with the speeds expected at the intersection and you can't stop your vehicle (whatever type it might be) before you wind up entering an intersection on a red, you're moving too fast, and/or your vehicles braking system is inadequate. The laws of physics pretty much make it a given that truck brake systems will be inadequate by car standards. In some cases (coal trucks are one I've heard mentioned) they aren't even capable of locking the wheels if the truck is fully loaded. This is why it always makes me nervous when truckers tailgate me. My car *will* stop shorter than their truck in a panic situation, and I *will* end up mashed between the truck bumper and whatever I was trying to avoid hitting.
[MBZ] Brake Reservoir Grommet replacement
Hi, everybody! Just ordered replacement brake reservoir grommets, as mine leak, and I have a few questions (and I can't mind my [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manual CD, either). 1) Is there any special trick to replacing them? Just pull the tank out, slick the new ones up with fluid, and replace? Or is there anything sneaky? 2) What's the procedure for bleeding the master cylinder? I've only ever bled the lines before. Thanks, Stuart S. 1976 300D w115
Re: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box, thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else?
Fluid, filter and hoses if they are starting to leak. - Original Message - From: RICHARD FIne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box,thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else? My gear box started to leak, so I ordered a replacement.. I got the thinking that my steering was a little peculiar just before the gear box started leaking... so I am thinking of replacing the left/center/right tie rod assemblies.. anything else I should think about replacing with this? Thanks... Richard Fine 1987 300D turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] A real hoot - $69.00 sh on a fuel filter
If you look at the Q and A you will find that the seller says there is a prob with the shipping calculator, $7 in the continental US. - Original Message - From: Michael Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] A real hoot - $69.00 sh on a fuel filter *$28.29 is the quote i got. . . .* On 10/2/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a calculate button on the listing. Put in your zip code and then say you got to be kidding! On 10/2/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, what am I missing? I looked and I don't see a shipping and handling cost quoted. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Desert Rat Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] A real hoot - $69.00 sh on a fuel filter I sent this one to Ebay for their reviewwhat a jerk! On 10/2/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-diesel-fuel-filter-300td-300d-turbo-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ4609 3QQihZ014QQitemZ330035218935QQrdZ1 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K Stardust 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 109K The Flying Plum ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500SEL 143K Stardust 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 109K The Flying Plum ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
The plate things are illegal in most states and won't foil the camera anyway. I think you're thinking of the ones that aren't radar reflective... I wonder if I'm missing something in your anecdote. You and your wife both flagrently broke the law right? I'm of the opinion there should be some penalty for that. You don't like the law fine get it changed. Maybe even use your lawbreaking to help get the law changed. You wanna have special rules for you then you go to jail... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:58:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so there are companies selling license plate covers to prevent cameras from reading your license plate. I bought a few while I lived in Savannah, GA. The city there installed a traffic camera at one intersection. My wife pulled a U turn right in front of one while the light was red. We received a ticket in the mail from the PARKING SERVICES of Savannah showning HER CAR and HER PLATE NUMBER. I never paid it... BTW- before I moved away from Savannah I went through the same red light twice, making the same U turn. The traffic camera flashing away. Eating up film I hope. Cheers! Michael - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 03 00:28:59 2006 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.237]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUY9b-0006Fd-QF for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:28:59 + Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1948475wxc for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr3267966agz; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.90.12 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:28:49 -0700 From: Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Exhaust X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 00:29:00 - Mark, a muffler serves as a noise cancellation device only and is not an active part of the emissions system. IMHO, on a MB turbo diesel, you could eliminate the center muffler without penalty. I ran my 85 300SD w/o any muffler and the noise was not overwhelming. There was no perceptible gain in performance. I doube that you'd notice a difference in the noise level. Regards, Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD
[MBZ] P/S fluid replacement
How often is a fluid and filter change recommended for a power steering system. mak - ? Fluid, filter and hoses if they are starting to leak. - Original Message - From: RICHARD FIne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box,thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else? My gear box started to leak, so I ordered a replacement.. I got the thinking that my steering was a little peculiar just before the gear box started leaking... so I am thinking of replacing the left/center/right tie rod assemblies.. anything else I should think about replacing with this? Thanks... Richard Fine 1987 300D turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/2006
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
it will definitely be louder. If you plan to keep the car for a long time, check out TimeValve, they make a replacement exhaust from heavy stainless steel, and it may be cheaper than factory parts. $600 isn't bad, for my old 280 is't closer to $1000. Peter
[MBZ] check out this color combo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=220033843649fromMakeTrack=true -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] somebody close needs to get this stuff
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lots-of-74-75-Mercedes-240-parts-New-and-Used_W0QQitemZ150041794830QQihZ005QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] Parts car in Vancouver BC 220D
Talking to a guy in the great white north. He has a 69 220D that has sat since y2k. It is manual, rusted up body, but engine is thought good. Anybody want that engine/trans combination? no interest or affiliation, just passing data on. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Anyone for a '67 250s? Only $12k
The fool buggered up the rear with those reflectors. Maybe that increased the value On Oct 2, 2006, at 2:59 PM, Tony Wirtel wrote: http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/215012662.html WHat a deal. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
i'm all for the james bond-style rotating plates. On 10/2/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plate things are illegal in most states and won't foil the camera anyway. I think you're thinking of the ones that aren't radar reflective... I wonder if I'm missing something in your anecdote. You and your wife both flagrently broke the law right? I'm of the opinion there should be some penalty for that. You don't like the law fine get it changed. Maybe even use your lawbreaking to help get the law changed. You wanna have special rules for you then you go to jail... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:58:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so there are companies selling license plate covers to prevent cameras from reading your license plate. I bought a few while I lived in Savannah, GA. The city there installed a traffic camera at one intersection. My wife pulled a U turn right in front of one while the light was red. We received a ticket in the mail from the PARKING SERVICES of Savannah showning HER CAR and HER PLATE NUMBER. I never paid it... BTW- before I moved away from Savannah I went through the same red light twice, making the same U turn. The traffic camera flashing away. Eating up film I hope. Cheers! Michael - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Sunil Hari wrote: i'm all for the james bond-style rotating plates. They kinda eat into your trunk space.
Re: [MBZ] Anyone for a '67 250s? Only $12k
Redundant --R redghost wrote: The fool buggered up the rear with those reflectors.
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 0W-30
Okay, I must have been misusing the term viscosity. Hope y'all still got the jist of my message. Brian On 10/1/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that it DOESN'T change viscosity! Peter On Oct 1, 2006, at 12:55 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: I'm not disturbed by that at all, in fact I love it. How can we be certain though that the oil will behave that way? Bear with me, I never took chemistry. But when the my engine's health is in the balance, this chemical wonder that is an oil switching viscosities based on temperature has long made me wonder. I'm not being a smartass, I'm asking. Is it 100% reliable that my oil will know when to be zero weight and know when to be forty weight, and that it will never screw up? If it is indeed foolproof, then it is only logical to run the 0W-40, as this will let the engine turn more freely at very cold temps. and may even increase fuel economy? Brian 83 240D And here I said I wasn't starting an oil thread On 10/1/06, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's a 40 weight oil when cold that become a zero weight oil when cold? do you see something disturbing about this logic? On 9/30/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, too, had shared this concern, until I read somewhere that the higher number is the real viscosity, and the lower number is how the oil reacts in cold temperatures. That is, a 0W40 oil is a 40 wt. oil, that maintains a viscosity similar to a 0 wt. oil at 0 degrees C., or something like that -- it doesn't get as thick as a 40 wt. oil would at that temp., it's as thick as a 0 wt. oil would be at that temp. Please correct if I'm wrong --- On 9/30/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0 weight oils are too thin, in my humble opinion, for any diesel. Too much pressure on the journal on the compression stroke, not enough film strength, even for a synthetic like Mobil 1 The difference between dino and synthetics is huge, the difference in cold viscosity of synthetics is fairly small. I believe the 0 weight oils are intended to give small gasoline engines a bit better milage from lower oil pump resistance, not something I'd like to try in a diesel! Just my opinion. I tend to use 5W40 or 5W50 Truck and SUV or 15W50 Mobil 1 in the summer and 5W40 in the winter, but if I need to change the oil and can only find 15W50 in the winter, I use it. Hard starts are usually not helped by lower viscosity oil unless you have fairly high viscosity dino in the crankcase -- I've seen an engine that simple would not crank at all in the winter with 50 wt in there to hide a bad bearing Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
I'm sort of in shock here, but it looks to me, as I sit and type this, as though I'm going to be shopping for a motor soon. It's an '82 300sd, CA model, with approx. 205k miles (assuming this is the car's original engine). Sequence of events: 1. About 10 days ago the engine started to run rough at idle, got quickly worse. Evident injector 'nailing' on at least one cylinder. 2. A few days later I noticed I was pushing oil out the valve cover gasket at the rear, especially at idle. 3. I gave it a Diesel Purge treatment and the nailing + roughness went away while the Purge was in, but about three hours running time after the treatment it came back but less harsh. I LOOKED to me at the time that once the worst of the injector problem was dealt with, the oil loss out the VCG pretty much cleared up (I shampooed the engine then checked after driving). 4. Suddenly last week it ran really bad on startup, four cylinders, until a bit warm -- and WOW was the oil leak back. A serious loss of oil (at least .5 quart a day). Started to notice some blowby leaking out the VGG vent hose, at the air cleaner. I tried cracking the injector lines, all made about the same difference to how it ran except #1, so I changed out that one with a spare clean injector I had lying around. Small improvement. 5. On Weds I got hold of new injector nozzles and dropped them off with a spare set of injectors to have them installed and set up, for me to swap them into the car. 6. Then last night things went from bad to worse. I am now blowing a geyser of vapour out the oil filler cap when it's removed, blowby is blowing out big time from the vent hose, oil p*ssing everywhere. The exhaust is blowing out diesel on hard acceleration, but little or no oil that I can see except when cold. Initially when this started I had thought maybe it was timing (chain stretch or pump issue), but now I don't see how it can be causing the sudden massive blowby. I tried cracking the lines today, however, and all cylinders seem balanced -- I did not have time anyway to do a compression test. Am I missing something here? Thanks -- Mac Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s
[MBZ] Free diesel engines
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/zip/215159393.html no affiliation, you get three, two work, one core -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Archives and question on glow plugs
rumor has it that Peter wrote: Series glow plugs are resistors, and there are six resistance loops per engine (two resistance elements on the fours, one on the fives, and I presume none on the six cylinder truck engines). There is a 1.3 V or so voltage drop across each resistance element, total current is about 30 - 40 A at 12V DC. The voltage doesn't go anywhere. Parallel pluts are also resistors, but they have a resistance built into the relay and are all wired direct. You were doing fine until here. There is _no_ resistance built into the relay. Each parallel glow plug has a higher resistance than the series plug. Thus each one operates on 12V, not 2V. Same principle (resistance heating), just a different application. I believe the parallel plugs get hotter, and they heat up much faster, as anyone with a manual series GP car will attest. This is partly because all of the heat is in the pre-chamber rather than on the toaster wires between plugs. The result is that about 1/3 of the heat generated is wasted outside of the engine. Jim C. is convinced that if that wasted heat were put into the air intake there would be little difference between series and parallel plugs starting ability. I won't argue with him! *grin* -- Philip, who converted his series to parallel
[MBZ] A little elbow grease
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/213540240.html Just a little more spit and polish and Jim C. could have made a killing on that 240D he sold. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
[MBZ] Ed Booher, your car called
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/213407419.html -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] A little elbow grease
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/213540240.html For _that_ body I'd have gone as high as $600! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Archives and question on glow plugs
Jim C. is convinced that if that wasted heat were put into the air intake there would be little difference between series and parallel plugs starting ability. I won't argue with him! *grin* Temperature range, probably not so much glow time. Both types of plugs draw similar currents, at least in 4-cylinder trim. That means equal power, which should translate to similar heating performance. (Modulo some second-order factors.) This opinion is entirely un-based in fact, which means it meets the strict qualifications for information found on the internet. I've always meant to conduct the experiment on the Frankenheap of putting the toasters inside the intake manifold, but there are some issues there, obviously. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
Am I missing something here? Some rings? A piston top? Definitely sounds bad, sorry for you. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
on 10/3/06 1:25 AM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something here? Some rings? A piston top? Definitely sounds bad, sorry for you. Ah, well, you may well be right. However, what I did not add is that most of the time, performance is near normal. I have driven an SD with a pooched motor, and this one does not feel like it. Not by a long shot. Mac
[MBZ] confusion over main fuel filters???
83, 300D, 85 300D, 79 240D all showed to use same f. filters???; 79 240D has a larger banjo hollow bolt; same problem as Andrew?; anyone know what the differences are? thanks, Steve
[MBZ] 300D high perf. air intake on E-bay for $149.00?
Hi; anyone have any exper. putting on one; i can put on; good product?, quality?, returns oil from valve cover properly? noise at highway speeds?; noise when getting on it is OK desireable, but 70-75?; anyone with exper. using this set-up, please advise steve 79 240D about 30K on reman. engine; most money in this one; for sale or trade???, CHEAP 85 300D calif. mode; crashed on pass. side, but everything else very good 83 300D fed.; my cheapest nicest looking one
Re: [MBZ] 300D high perf. air intake on E-bay for $149.00?
And the reason you want to do this iswhat?? What makes this desireable? Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
[MBZ] 1981 240D Auto
Hello fellow dieselheads. I've found a 1981 240D automatic that looks to be in overall good condition. It has 230K miles, good paint that will easily polish up, good interior, and it ran well before being parked under a carport three years ago. The previous owner decided to take public transportation rather than driving his vintage Mercedes. He sold it to the current owner after he moved and no longer had a place to park it. The current owner doesn't have a parking spot either, so it's parked on the street where we spotted it. I'm going to take a closer look at it tomorrow to see if it's worth purchasing. He doesn't have a clue about diesels, so I may have a chance to buy it right. Kevin, benzless in Hillsboro Oregon, at least for now
Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
Perhaps it's a stuck oil ring ? My 2 c worth Peter -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 October 2006 08:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input on 10/3/06 1:25 AM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something here? Some rings? A piston top? Definitely sounds bad, sorry for you. Ah, well, you may well be right. However, what I did not add is that most of the time, performance is near normal. I have driven an SD with a pooched motor, and this one does not feel like it. Not by a long shot. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Curt, I'm well of the opinion that the traffic camera's are an invasion of privacy. As a far as breaking the law goes... that is purely a matter of conjecture that you have grasped for all to quickly. Respectfully, Michael -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 2, 2006 8:28 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate The plate things are illegal in most states and won't foil the camera anyway. I think you're thinking of the ones that aren't radar reflective... I wonder if I'm missing something in your anecdote. You and your wife both flagrently broke the law right? I'm of the opinion there should be some penalty for that. You don't like the law fine get it changed. Maybe even use your lawbreaking to help get the law changed. You wanna have special rules for you then you go to jail... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:58:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so there are companies selling license plate covers to prevent cameras from reading your license plate. I bought a few while I lived in Savannah, GA. The city there installed a traffic camera at one intersection. My wife pulled a U turn right in front of one while the light was red. We received a ticket in the mail from the PARKING SERVICES of Savannah showning HER CAR and HER PLATE NUMBER. I never paid it... BTW- before I moved away from Savannah I went through the same red light twice, making the same U turn. The traffic camera flashing away. Eating up film I hope. Cheers! Michael - All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too. - B. B. King
Re: [MBZ] 300D high perf. air intake on E-bay for $149.00?
Jeff Zedic wrote: And the reason you want to do this iswhat?? What makes this desireable? If it's the one I'm thinking of (I didn't bother to look) it must be the warm intake air from behind the radiator and the extra dirt ingested. ;-)
Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
Blown head gasket? Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Merle Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 5:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input Perhaps it's a stuck oil ring ? My 2 c worth Peter -Original Message- From: Steve MacSween [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 October 2006 08:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input on 10/3/06 1:25 AM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something here? Some rings? A piston top? Definitely sounds bad, sorry for you. Ah, well, you may well be right. However, what I did not add is that most of the time, performance is near normal. I have driven an SD with a pooched motor, and this one does not feel like it. Not by a long shot. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box, thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else?
From? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box,thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else? Drag link, steering damper, and check the idler bushings. Bad steering dampers eat tie rod ends Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
This is a really interesting web site about the USS Macon, a large airship that crashed off the California coast in 1935. It was powered by eight large 560-horsepower gasoline powered German built Maybach reversible engines. (Was Maybach part of the MB or DB company back then?). And it carried airplanes it could launch and recover. Anyway, the wreckage was located and lots of photos taken, some very interesting history. These big airships were so cool. http://montereybay.noaa.gov/research/macon/macon.html Enjoy! --R
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
Mark, that is a great price. Who gave you that quote? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark maturo Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:02 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Exhaust My exhaust is rotting on my 1991 350SD. Priced the center and rear muffler and comes to around $600. Does anyone know if the center muffler can be eliminated. Is it for noise or emissions? Thanks Mark Maturo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
check the compression Steve MacSween wrote: I'm sort of in shock here, but it looks to me, as I sit and type this, as though I'm going to be shopping for a motor soon. It's an '82 300sd, CA model, with approx. 205k miles (assuming this is the car's original engine). Sequence of events: 1. About 10 days ago the engine started to run rough at idle, got quickly worse. Evident injector 'nailing' on at least one cylinder. 2. A few days later I noticed I was pushing oil out the valve cover gasket at the rear, especially at idle. 3. I gave it a Diesel Purge treatment and the nailing + roughness went away while the Purge was in, but about three hours running time after the treatment it came back but less harsh. I LOOKED to me at the time that once the worst of the injector problem was dealt with, the oil loss out the VCG pretty much cleared up (I shampooed the engine then checked after driving). 4. Suddenly last week it ran really bad on startup, four cylinders, until a bit warm -- and WOW was the oil leak back. A serious loss of oil (at least .5 quart a day). Started to notice some blowby leaking out the VGG vent hose, at the air cleaner. I tried cracking the injector lines, all made about the same difference to how it ran except #1, so I changed out that one with a spare clean injector I had lying around. Small improvement. 5. On Weds I got hold of new injector nozzles and dropped them off with a spare set of injectors to have them installed and set up, for me to swap them into the car. 6. Then last night things went from bad to worse. I am now blowing a geyser of vapour out the oil filler cap when it's removed, blowby is blowing out big time from the vent hose, oil p*ssing everywhere. The exhaust is blowing out diesel on hard acceleration, but little or no oil that I can see except when cold. Initially when this started I had thought maybe it was timing (chain stretch or pump issue), but now I don't see how it can be causing the sudden massive blowby. I tried cracking the lines today, however, and all cylinders seem balanced -- I did not have time anyway to do a compression test. Am I missing something here? Thanks -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D high perf. air intake on E-bay for $149.00?
Unadulterated junk -- skip it. Benz did a much better job of intake design in the first place. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
Hmmm... I wonder if I could squeeze one of those 560-HP engines into my 78 240D to give it a little more uuumph when I have the AC on in the summertime and need to gain speed to make the on ramp merge a little easier? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon This is a really interesting web site about the USS Macon, a large airship that crashed off the California coast in 1935. It was powered by eight large 560-horsepower gasoline powered German built Maybach reversible engines. (Was Maybach part of the MB or DB company back then?). And it carried airplanes it could launch and recover. Anyway, the wreckage was located and lots of photos taken, some very interesting history. These big airships were so cool. http://montereybay.noaa.gov/research/macon/macon.html Enjoy! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
I'm picturing something like that engine on a trailer behind your 240D driving it's own wheels and with some sort of steering mechanism... (: Levi On 10/3/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm... I wonder if I could squeeze one of those 560-HP engines into my 78 240D to give it a little more uuumph when I have the AC on in the summertime and need to gain speed to make the on ramp merge a little easier? ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon This is a really interesting web site about the USS Macon, a large airship that crashed off the California coast in 1935. It was powered by eight large 560-horsepower gasoline powered German built Maybach reversible engines. (Was Maybach part of the MB or DB company back then?). And it carried airplanes it could launch and recover. Anyway, the wreckage was located and lots of photos taken, some very interesting history. These big airships were so cool. http://montereybay.noaa.gov/research/macon/macon.html Enjoy! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D high perf. air intake on E-bay for $149.00?
Hi; anyone have any exper. putting on one; Why? With no air filter altogether the car will perform exactly the same, though of course the ingested dirt will shorten its life considerably. The turbo can more than make up for any reasonable intake restriction, it _never_ operates at full potential. (If it did your engine would also die quickly.) Save your money, and your engine, most of that junk isn't that good at actually filtering the dirt out of the air. If you don't believe us, just remove the existing filter and go for a drive. Use a stopwatch, and be careful and exact so you get good measurements. Then get back to us. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
my experience driving through neighborhoods of varying affluence would lead me to believe that the less affluent neighborhoods typically have the most problems with poor driving, and probably *need* the enforcement more. seems there's an correlation between low-level living and low-level driving. besides, if the more affluent person gets a ticket that isn't going to appear on their record, do you think it's going to have as much impact on their driving as it would on the minimum wage earner? let them learn how to play by the rules, and they might have a better chance of getting themselves out of the 'hood! lastly, anyone getting caught 3 or 4 times in the time it takes them to process these things probably needs to be taken off of the street for the safety of all! cheers! e dave walton wrote: Cleveland installed them a few months ago. I received one in the mail for $120 for going 4 miles over the speed limit. It said that if I pay now, no points will be accessed to my license. Funny thing was that the car in the photo was a white Chevy Blazer. I don't own or drive one. Seems that the cop processing the photos read the plate number in the photo wrong and confused that car for a silver Mercedes. It was also odd that it took them over a month to process the ticket. It appears to be purely a revenue generator - and they have targeted the poorest neighborhoods in the city. I suppose the poor are least likely to take action. For someone working minimum wage, giving up a weeks take home pay does not strike me as a good way to stimulate the economy. Especially when you may accumulate 3 or 4 infractions before you know you did anything wrong. How do you get to work after they suspend your license for not paying the tickets? I guess you go on welfare. Or start selling Crack. Or both. -Dave Walton On 10/2/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: yellows are generally long enough that you should have time to clear an unobstructed intersection if you're moving at the proper speed when they turn without having to screech to a stop. if you're moving slower, it shouldn't be a problem, and if you're moving *faster*, it's even easier. ;-) In theory, sure. But it's hard to predict how long you'll have, so you can never be completely sure you'll get clear. I've had a few turn red while I was under them where I would have had to stop pretty abruptly to avoid going through the intersection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D Auto
Hi Kevin, The 240D is a bulletproof design. If it has a manual tranny it is a bit better off as it leaves stop lights a bit quicker - especially in the summer with AC on. I've had my 78 240D for almost 20 years and nearly everything on it is fixable by a home mechanic with the help of so many knowledgable people on this list. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) The W123 series of 240D were produced from 1976 until 1983 - and it was only stopped then because the new, smaller W201 was introduced in 1984. So the 82 is nearing the final years of production and had most of the technological advances the W123 came with. The later the year the more desirable the car IMHO. CHeck the mileage - even though it will go 500k and more, it will need some maintanence to get it that far - regular oil changes with a quality oil - synthetic is best IMO. If it has sat for a while, be prepared to replace the battery. Also, the window switches (it will likely have electric windows) tend to get dirt in them and they only work sporadically. The window lifts in the drivers door can go bad because it gets used the most. The turnsignal switch can be troublesome also. Look for rust under the floor mats/carpets - window seals can leak and water pools under the feet area. The headlights areas rockers can also suffer from rust. Also look for OEM equipment - aftermarket stuff is ocassionaly used to save a few $$s but the OEM stuff is much more robust - hold a Bilstein next to a aftermarket shock and you;ll be amazed at the huge difference - the shaft is almost twice as large on the Bilstein. All 4 tires should match. There's a brake pad wear warning light on tge dash below the oil and water temp gauge - it will light up when the brakes are pressed if the front pads are worn too much - assuming they haven't been disabled. Oil pressure should peg against the top limit as soon as the rpm increases and idle just below 2 bar or just below the 30psi mark. Of course, an older engine will have less but the pressure should always hit the upper limit before you reach 3000 rpm. If not the main bearings are well worn. On the plus side, there are a huge nmber of these around and parts are not too outrageous - Rusty can get virtually anything needed - and there's little the home mechanic cannot do/ Take a good, long look and let us know - price should be less than $3000 depending on condition - although I saw one enterprising nutcase try to sell one for $100k claiming it was used at the Whitehouse - yeah, right. Good luck - Larry T 67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D 2.5 www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] 1981 240D Auto Hello fellow dieselheads. I've found a 1981 240D automatic that looks to be in overall good condition. It has 230K miles, good paint that will easily polish up, good interior, and it ran well before being parked under a carport three years ago. The previous owner decided to take public transportation rather than driving his vintage Mercedes. He sold it to the current owner after he moved and no longer had a place to park it. The current owner doesn't have a parking spot either, so it's parked on the street where we spotted it. I'm going to take a closer look at it tomorrow to see if it's worth purchasing. He doesn't have a clue about diesels, so I may have a chance to buy it right. Kevin, benzless in Hillsboro Oregon, at least for now ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006
[MBZ] OT : Camera proofing your car's license plate
you already have no privacy when you're out in public (especially when exercising the privilege of driving on a public roadway you share with the public!), so it's not an invasion of anything. cheers! e Michael wrote: Curt, I'm well of the opinion that the traffic camera's are an invasion of privacy. As a far as breaking the law goes... that is purely a matter of conjecture that you have grasped for all to quickly. Respectfully, Michael -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 2, 2006 8:28 PM To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate The plate things are illegal in most states and won't foil the camera anyway. I think you're thinking of the ones that aren't radar reflective... I wonder if I'm missing something in your anecdote. You and your wife both flagrently broke the law right? I'm of the opinion there should be some penalty for that. You don't like the law fine get it changed. Maybe even use your lawbreaking to help get the law changed. You wanna have special rules for you then you go to jail... -Curt Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:58:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so there are companies selling license plate covers to prevent cameras from reading your license plate. I bought a few while I lived in Savannah, GA. The city there installed a traffic camera at one intersection. My wife pulled a U turn right in front of one while the light was red. We received a ticket in the mail from the PARKING SERVICES of Savannah showning HER CAR and HER PLATE NUMBER. I never paid it... BTW- before I moved away from Savannah I went through the same red light twice, making the same U turn. The traffic camera flashing away. Eating up film I hope. Cheers! Michael
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D Auto
Mine sat in an Iowa barn for several years before it was dragged out and put back into service. If it was running when parked then it should be viable. On 10/3/06, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow dieselheads. -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input
Mac wrote:performance is near normal When my '78 240D needed a rebuild - 3 of 4 cyinders had very low compression and all pitons had broken rings. It drove started fine until one cold Nov day it started normally in the AM but when I wanted to leave work it would not start. All this time it drove fine - although I suspect the speed - if it can be called that in a 240D, diminished slowly over the previous months. When I pulled the engine apart I was amazed at how many broken rings were there - - it's surprised me it would start at all before finally failing. But during this time, it didn't smoke except under hard acceleration (is there any other kind in a 240D?) which was only noticable at night. It always started quickly after the GP light foes off. So, your 300SD may drive at a level you perceive as normal, but the performance has probably dropped gradually over the previous months making it very difficult for you to judge what is normal Vs abnormal. Starting/not starting seems to be a good way to judge the condition of the engine although defective glow plugs or a GP relay in bad condition can be seen as the cause of poor starting. In any case, having a compression test done - and you may want to consider an oil analysis - is a better judge of the condition of the engine - Good luck -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] My OM617 isn't acting too healthy - need input on 10/3/06 1:25 AM, Jim Cathey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I missing something here? Some rings? A piston top? Definitely sounds bad, sorry for you. Ah, well, you may well be right. However, what I did not add is that most of the time, performance is near normal. I have driven an SD with a pooched motor, and this one does not feel like it. Not by a long shot. Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Conjecture? How is My wife pulled a U turn right in front of one while the light was red. conjecture? Didn't you just say she ran a red light? Isn't that illegal? If its illegal and you get caught you should be punished. If you get a ticket for doing something illegal and you decide to ignore it they should take you license away. Thats what they'll do here. A guy I used to work with had a stack of unpaid parking tickets and they took away his license. One day he got pulled over for something stupid like a taillight out and they took him to jail... Now if you want to fight the camera as impinging your privacy whats that mean? You want the right to run red lights with impunity? Your right to break the law has been violated? Somehow that doesn't make much sense to me and I'm fairly liberal... -Curt - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 03 15:58:50 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUmfS-0005H1-2h for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:58:50 + Received: from aceraspire (c-68-57-181-125.hsd1.va.comcast.net[68.57.181.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id 20061003155827m14003rs1pe; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:58:40 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:58:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] P/S fluid replacement X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:58:50 - The Maintanence manual tells how to check the level but does not say when to replace the fluid. I usually look at the color and condition - the MB OEM fluid (buy it from Rusty) is pretty clear and the color of fresh, light-weight oil - kind of a light golden color. If the car is more than 10 years old and there's no indication it'd been changed, I'd go ahead change the fluid filter. It's pretty inexpensive maintanence - and if it extends the life of the steering system it's always a good idea. Good luck!!. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: M.Afzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: [MBZ] P/S fluid replacement How often is a fluid and filter change recommended for a power steering system. mak - ? Fluid, filter and hoses if they are starting to leak. - Original Message - From: RICHARD FIne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box,thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else? My gear box started to leak, so I ordered a replacement.. I got the thinking that my steering was a little peculiar just before the gear box started leaking... so I am thinking of replacing the left/center/right tie rod assemblies.. anything else I should think about replacing with this? Thanks... Richard Fine 1987 300D turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Wow Curt.I have to agree 100% with you on this oneI think that's a first..LOLOL Mike, Not as liberal as Curt, Canfield - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate Conjecture? How is My wife pulled a U turn right in front of one while the light was red. conjecture? Didn't you just say she ran a red light? Isn't that illegal? If its illegal and you get caught you should be punished. If you get a ticket for doing something illegal and you decide to ignore it they should take you license away. Thats what they'll do here. A guy I used to work with had a stack of unpaid parking tickets and they took away his license. One day he got pulled over for something stupid like a taillight out and they took him to jail... Now if you want to fight the camera as impinging your privacy whats that mean? You want the right to run red lights with impunity? Your right to break the law has been violated? Somehow that doesn't make much sense to me and I'm fairly liberal... -Curt - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
Levi Smith wrote: I'm picturing something like that engine on a trailer behind your 240D driving it's own wheels and with some sort of steering mechanism... Like this? http://www.mrsharkey.com/pusher.htm
[MBZ] 380 Engine
Howdy - Does the 82 380 engine have the cam sprocket problem (single row Vs double row) discussed here ocassionally? There's one in the local paper - a 380SEC for $1100 - complete but missing the sunroof (hopefully is protected from rain) that seems like good deal - if it;s not to bad. I need to know what to expect of the engine - although I wouldn;t mind rebuilding it.\\\ I love the body style but don't really need more projects - TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
Re: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
Similar, I'd forgotten I'd seen that. But I'm thinking this trailer would have to be a bit heavier duty. Did that air ship have wheels on it? Maybe you could just bolt that front of the airship to the back of your 240D, THAT would certainly be something interesting to see! And I'm still thinking something more than just a center hitch between the car and trailer. I can only imagine the potential torque steer with 500+ horsies back there... (: Levi On 10/3/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi Smith wrote: I'm picturing something like that engine on a trailer behind your 240D driving it's own wheels and with some sort of steering mechanism... Like this? http://www.mrsharkey.com/pusher.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D Auto
LarryT wrote: So the 82 is nearing the final years of production and had most of the technological advances the W123 came with. The later the year the more desirable the car IMHO. One thing that deserves special mention here: All the diesels got higher lift / longer duration cams in 1980, and horsepower ratings went up about 10% across the board.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
Reminds me of a story told by my brother in law. He and a friend went on a fishing trip up north with lots of gear. Two trucks - one to pull the boat and another to pull the camper trailer. On the way back, the alternator died in the Dodge truck. They needed to drive all night to get home for work. They had a little generator and a battery charger as they had an electric trolling motor on the boat and they needed to charge the battery for it. They put the generator in the boat and ran the extension cord up the trailer tongue and into the underhood area - plugged the battery charger into the cord and connected the clips to the battery. Came home a couple of hundred miles like that in the dark. Brian said he turned the headlights off whenever he could to reduce the draw on the battery and would turn them on again if he saw another vehicle coming. A pretty barren road however so not much traffic. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon Levi Smith wrote: I'm picturing something like that engine on a trailer behind your 240D driving it's own wheels and with some sort of steering mechanism... Like this? http://www.mrsharkey.com/pusher.htm ___
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Curt, Since you are hard pressed to dissect a matter of what is nothing at all... Yes, it's conjecture. You aren't familiar with the traffic procedures in Savannah anymore than the Savannah Police. WAS it a left hand turn or a U turn? They don't care. You don't care and I don't care. The traffic camera only records vehicles traveling beyond a point. IT was a U turn, not a turn on a red light. ie left turn That tells me that the SPD only care about revenue. There was no opportunity given to appeal the moving violation by my wife. The ticket was clevery issued by the PARKING SERVICES DEPARTMENT for me to pay. Now doesn't that sound fishy? Can we get an AMEN? Yes, there was a ticket issued for a moving violation by the parking services office? How am i supposed to fight a ticket in court? There is no court date issued for PARKING SERVICES DEPARTMENT tickets. It is extremely normal and legal in Savannah traffic to conduct U turns up and down the entire length of the Abercorn highway. Usually, a municipality would post no U turn sign. But no, not in Savannah. They have their cameras, to catch the traffic criminals with. It's amazing how fast normal hard working decent folks can become criminals. I didn't agree with the management of the entire Chatham country: from the taxation, to the court system, how the schools weren't run and yes- even the policing. I moved. Problem fixed. And, I hear that they have more traffic cameras installed in Savannah now. I'll be cleaning up my camera proof plate cover just for my next trip there. I just might get another opportunity to make good their purchase. That's the beauty of the camera proof plate; my anonymonity AND MY RIGHT OF DUE PROCESS in the courts are restored all in one simple act of defiance! Maybe you'd like to ride along? Contact me off list to make arrangements. Really Curt? I think somebody got their lunch box stolen one time to many as a kid? Do ya think? Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too. - B. B. King
[MBZ] RE OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon
Larry T Thanks for posting that, very interesting indeed. In the early '60s I worked as deckhand on a tug and we delivered JP4 to Moffite (sp?) Field and I remember walking the pipe line ashore and checking out those hangers, they where huge. I could keep a whole lot of 240Ds in just one of them. Regards Steve 85 Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K 79 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild 94 Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K 64 VW Bug 65 D15, AC tractor Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Submerged Maritime Heritage Resource USS Macon This is a really interesting web site about the USS Macon, a large airship that crashed off the California coast in 1935. It was powered by eight large 560-horsepower gasoline powered German built Maybach reversible engines. (Was Maybach part of the MB or DB company back then?). And it carried airplanes it could launch and recover. Anyway, the wreckage was located and lots of photos taken, some very interesting history. These big airships were so cool. http://montereybay.noaa.gov/research/macon/macon.html Enjoy!
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Michael wrote: It is extremely normal and legal in Savannah traffic to conduct U turns up and down the entire length of the Abercorn highway. I don't think anyone is arguing that making a U-turn is illegal. It seems likely that making a U-turn against a red light is, however.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
ernest breakfield wrote: besides, if the more affluent person gets a ticket that isn't going to appear on their record, do you think it's going to have as much impact on their driving as it would on the minimum wage earner? Finland has an interesting solution to this. They base fines for speeding on your monthly income, so a rich person suffers as much as a poor one. The very wealthy head of Nokia got a speeding ticket a few years ago that set a new record. It was something like 170,000 Euro.
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
My friend told me Adist had the Center and Rear mufflers for around 600. When I looked it up the exact price would be $655. I checked with Timevalve in CT mentioned in Peter Frederick's post.. they said 635.00 for the two mufflers. Can you get them for less? I didn't see anything on the website. Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, that is a great price. Who gave you that quote? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark maturo Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:02 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Exhaust My exhaust is rotting on my 1991 350SD. Priced the center and rear muffler and comes to around $600. Does anyone know if the center muffler can be eliminated. Is it for noise or emissions? Thanks Mark Maturo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
Yes, there is that of course. Maybe or maybe not. You know, all I wanted to do was give a quick example of a traffic camera problem (the original idea- traffic cameras) and a simple solution. The way that my wife's ticket totally skipped any resemblance of due process floored me. Once aggravated, I investigated to find that there are privacy issues around traffic cameras as well. Nobody has yet to mention any state code annotated, anywhere, any state for making a crime out of using special anti-traffic camera plates. Which may or may not compound the criminal activity. Maybe or maybe not. Ohh- that's illegal- probably? What a joke! Show me, then I'll worry about it later. -El bandito del Savannah traffic cameras (Michael) -Original Message- From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 3, 2006 1:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate Michael wrote: It is extremely normal and legal in Savannah traffic to conduct U turns up and down the entire length of the Abercorn highway. I don't think anyone is arguing that making a U-turn is illegal. It seems likely that making a U-turn against a red light is, however. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Nobody loves me like my mother, and she could be jivin' too. - B. B. King
[MBZ] license plate
No color left on on 15 yr-old plate on my 350SDL. Wilton
[MBZ] OT: Camera proofing your car's license plate
Here in Htown they passed some sort of law that says you can't have those things, and there is a state law passed a couple years ago that says your plate has to be completely visible, which was done to prohibit those plate surround things that have all sorts of messages and ads and such on them. The ostensible reason was so that the cops could see the name of the state and county and year etc. but there were cries of outrage from various groups who felt their rights to surround their plates with various things was being abridged. Driving is not a right it is a privilege, and a lot of this stuff follows from that, whether it relates to other rights or not. Here in Htown they post the offending videos or photos on a web site, when you get a ticket they give you a code so you can go review it. Before they issue the ticket a cop actually looks at it and makes a determination of whether it was an illegal act or not. You have the right to contest the ticket. I still have not figured out how they can ticket a car (or rather, the license plate) owner and not the offending individual, there must be some rationale for that, however convoluted. It still annoys me that this whole thing is a public/private partnership with the private entity getting a load of cash from it. --R Michael wrote: Nobody has yet to mention any state code annotated, anywhere, any state for making a crime out of using special anti-traffic camera plates.
Re: [MBZ] Brake Reservoir Grommet replacement
Hi Stewart, I suspect there is a difference in the way they are installed. The reason I say this is because I just replaced the rubber grommet between the WW Pump and WW Reservoir. Initially, I put the rubber grommet on the pump and push it back into the reservoir. The leak continued. Next, I pushed the grommet into the opening in the reservoir - then pushed the pump into the installed grommet. Leak stopped. So, my Manual CD does not cover the 115 cars - I checked my manual anyway, but did not see any reference to installing the grommets - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Stuart Saxonberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Brake Reservoir Grommet replacement Hi, everybody! Just ordered replacement brake reservoir grommets, as mine leak, and I have a few questions (and I can't mind my [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manual CD, either). 1) Is there any special trick to replacing them? Just pull the tank out, slick the new ones up with fluid, and replace? Or is there anything sneaky? 2) What's the procedure for bleeding the master cylinder? I've only ever bled the lines before. Thanks, Stuart S. 1976 300D w115 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
Supposedly, the camera cams are being sold as a way to reduce traffic accidents - but once a camera is installed, it stays - I would think it would reduce accidents as promised and then would not be needed anymore? but, no - the cameras stay and actually reproduce and grown in number so even more money can be made. If they were truly reducing accidents, they would reach a time when crime was reduced and the cameras no longer producing income - IF they reduced crime. The reality is they do not reduce accidents - they put $$s into the company installing and monitoring them along with the city treasury. And once a gov't entity finds a way to make money it will be very hard to stop. Initially, in San Diego IIRC, the company installing the cameras were responsible for setting the timing of the greens, yellows and reds. The length of time the yellows stayed lit had no logical basis - other than short timing to generate the maximum number of tickets - and money. One of the problems with these social engineering problems is they are sold to the public using one set of standards but implementation follows a different set of standards - often tweaked by nameless, unelected beaurocrats who are given one and only one target - generating more money. Perhaps these problems have been addressed - but the people who were needlessly ticketed still bear the cost - and often they are those who can least aford a ticket. Someone mentioned placing the cameras in the highest areas of red light running and accidents - and are often lower income areas. I believe this is because low income people are less likely to fight these tickets and get the media involved. After all, the media will not get too excited if BillyBob the gardener is given a ticket for going thru a 1 second yellow, preceded by a short green - but if a wealthy person who may have easy access to a lawyer gets things the media involved things are likely to change. And Billy bob will be paying higher insurance cost for the next 5 years - whether the camera is changed or not. Don;t get me wrong - I believe rich people should be treated the same as poor people - I'm adamantely against fines that increase with the income of the person paying the fine - but the reverse is also true - and the poor of the world iften get trampled because no one is watching. Sorry if I'm rambling - my short term memory is pretty bad thanks to the pain meds I'm taking. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams Houston just got some red light cams working. The company that installs and runs them gets 60% or 70% of the revenues if I recall right. It is more about revenue generation for the city (with little effort) than law enforcement, though one has to agree that running red lights is a problem that needs to be dealt with. One thing I noticed when I moved here from the Boston area is that yellow lights are shorter (can't say how much, you just know it, maybe a second or two) than they were there, where it was expected that people run the yellows. And the easy solution would be to set the green lights to delay a coupla seconds when the cross light goes red, to provide a bit of buffer. But that is too simple. And the cops here really don't do much about traffic enforcement, and drive about as poorly as a lot of the drivers on the road --speeding, no signals, weaving in/out of traffic. Bad cops! No donuts! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
Do the countdown indicators take weather into account? Since rain adds greaty to the stopping distances -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams i'd argue that *if* (big IF) the timers for the yellows are reasonably coordinated with the speeds expected at the intersection and you can't stop your vehicle (whatever type it might be) before you wind up entering an intersection on a red, you're moving too fast, and/or your vehicles braking system is inadequate. cheers! e Fmiser wrote: In theory, sure. But it's hard to predict how long you'll have, so you can never be completely sure you'll get clear. I've had a few turn red while I was under them where I would have had to stop pretty abruptly to avoid going through the intersection. Then try it with a 80,000 lb (36,000 kg) truck and trailer combination! I have run many red lights 'cause the traffic engineer didn't figure on the stopping distance of a big truck. I knew how long it would take to stop my truck, so I made my own yellow light. Once I crossed that point, there was no value in trying to stop. -- Philip, whose 240D stops - and accelerates - quicker than a big truck ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006
Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams
Car and Driver has had several articles on the cameras over the last couple years. Almost every time, when they dig into the research, most(not all) of the locations show an INCREASE in the amount of accidents, NOT a reduction. And yes, lots of money for the corporation and some government officials or groups. Of the few places with the cameras that actually seem interested in potentially HELPING traffic instead of making money, they increased the length of time on the yellow lights after a month or two by like 1 second and it had a huge decrease in the amount of tickets and accidents. But, NO I'm sure there is no weather taken into account. To heck with rain, what about snow, slush and ice? If some greedy bastard sets the yellow light to 2 seconds and you see that light turn yellow and you're at the wrong distance at the right time, too bad, you broke the law, you get a ticket. Levi On 10/3/06, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the countdown indicators take weather into account? Since rain adds greaty to the stopping distances -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Traffic Cams i'd argue that *if* (big IF) the timers for the yellows are reasonably coordinated with the speeds expected at the intersection and you can't stop your vehicle (whatever type it might be) before you wind up entering an intersection on a red, you're moving too fast, and/or your vehicles braking system is inadequate. cheers! e Fmiser wrote: In theory, sure. But it's hard to predict how long you'll have, so you can never be completely sure you'll get clear. I've had a few turn red while I was under them where I would have had to stop pretty abruptly to avoid going through the intersection. Then try it with a 80,000 lb (36,000 kg) truck and trailer combination! I have run many red lights 'cause the traffic engineer didn't figure on the stopping distance of a big truck. I knew how long it would take to stop my truck, so I made my own yellow light. Once I crossed that point, there was no value in trying to stop. -- Philip, whose 240D stops - and accelerates - quicker than a big truck ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
Best I could do would be $632.00 for Genuine MB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark maturo Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Exhaust My friend told me Adist had the Center and Rear mufflers for around 600. When I looked it up the exact price would be $655. I checked with Timevalve in CT mentioned in Peter Frederick's post.. they said 635.00 for the two mufflers. Can you get them for less? I didn't see anything on the website. Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, that is a great price. Who gave you that quote? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark maturo Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:02 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Exhaust My exhaust is rotting on my 1991 350SD. Priced the center and rear muffler and comes to around $600. Does anyone know if the center muffler can be eliminated. Is it for noise or emissions? Thanks Mark Maturo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
Rusty wrote: Best I could do would be $632.00 for Genuine MB IIRC, Mark was thinking about eliminating the resonator. How much are rear mufflers these days? Most muffler shops would probably want $20 or so to make a resonator delete pipe.
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
$348.00 for rear muffler only -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Exhaust Rusty wrote: Best I could do would be $632.00 for Genuine MB IIRC, Mark was thinking about eliminating the resonator. How much are rear mufflers these days? Most muffler shops would probably want $20 or so to make a resonator delete pipe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Exhaust
The muffler shop replaced the rear muffler on my 380SE for $65. I'm sure it was not GENUINE Mercedes, but it seemed to hold up OK. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark maturo Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Exhaust My friend told me Adist had the Center and Rear mufflers for around 600. When I looked it up the exact price would be $655. I checked with Timevalve in CT mentioned in Peter Frederick's post.. they said 635.00 for the two mufflers. Can you get them for less? I didn't see anything on the website. Rusty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, that is a great price. Who gave you that quote? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mark maturo Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:02 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Exhaust My exhaust is rotting on my 1991 350SD. Priced the center and rear muffler and comes to around $600. Does anyone know if the center muffler can be eliminated. Is it for noise or emissions? Thanks Mark Maturo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate
I actually fail to see how a u turn is any different than a left turn. While u turns are pretty much totally frowned upon in most of New England I have traveled before and I have been places where they're commonplace. But even were u turns legal I would still think a u turn against a light is going against a light anyway... I agree that no due process is wrong but ignoring a ticket is not the same as standing up for your due process rights. And in closing the minute you step outside you have no right to privacy. I can take pictures of you all I want, you are in the public domain and therefore fair use. -Curt - Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 03 21:19:48 2006 Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net ([216.93.66.204]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUrg4-000561-9i for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:19:48 + Received: from voyager.net (d188.as1.sfld1.mi.core.com [209.153.174.225]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k93LJQjB065486 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:19:23 -0400 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera proofing your car's license plate X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:19:48 - Curt Raymond wrote: I actually fail to see how a u turn is any different than a left turn. If you are not doing the u-turn in the intersection, the light doesn't matter. If you do it in the intersection, you have to enter the intersection against the red light. It's not entirely clear to me which happened.
Re: [MBZ] Changing lanes
I just heard on Oprah that semis should use the right-most lane. Seriously, they said that. Brian
Re: [MBZ] Changing lanes
Zoltan Finks wrote: I just heard on Oprah that semis should use the right-most lane. Seriously, they said that. On a lot of three lane one way thorofares, you can find signs saying trucks must use the right two lanes. I suppose they are supposed to cruise in the right and pass in the center, but they usually cruise in both.
Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D Auto
Thanks, Larry, for your input! I still have the new battery that I bought for the 220D project (kept it around because I knew that I'd need it for another Mercedes Diesel). I've dealt with the window switches on my previous W123 cars, so that's not a problem for me. EVERY ONE of my cars has had a leak causing pools of water to form in the footwells, but amazingly enough, none had rusted out floors (lucky, I guess?). the car does have the dusty old Mercedes interior smell, but it doesn't smell like mildew. I'll keep y'all posted on how it goes. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
Re: [MBZ] P/S fluid replacement
M-1 ATF makes for a very good PS fluid... - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] P/S fluid replacement The Maintanence manual tells how to check the level but does not say when to replace the fluid. I usually look at the color and condition - the MB OEM fluid (buy it from Rusty) is pretty clear and the color of fresh, light-weight oil - kind of a light golden color. If the car is more than 10 years old and there's no indication it'd been changed, I'd go ahead change the fluid filter. It's pretty inexpensive maintanence - and if it extends the life of the steering system it's always a good idea. Good luck!!. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: M.Afzaal.Khan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: [MBZ] P/S fluid replacement How often is a fluid and filter change recommended for a power steering system. mak - ? Fluid, filter and hoses if they are starting to leak. - Original Message - From: RICHARD FIne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: [MBZ] ordered steering gear box,thinking to replace left/center/right tie rod assemblies...anything else? My gear box started to leak, so I ordered a replacement.. I got the thinking that my steering was a little peculiar just before the gear box started leaking... so I am thinking of replacing the left/center/right tie rod assemblies.. anything else I should think about replacing with this? Thanks... Richard Fine 1987 300D turbo ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.12/461 - Release Date: 10/2/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing lanes
rumor has it that Mitch wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: I just heard on Oprah that semis should use the right-most lane. Seriously, they said that. On a lot of three lane one way thorofares, you can find signs saying trucks must use the right two lanes. I suppose they are supposed to cruise in the right and pass in the center, but they usually cruise in both. Until you have sat in the seat, and held the big steering wheel while rolling down the road, it is hard to imagine how _vastly_ different it is than even a big SUV with a trailer. I can see that the officials don't want the the big trucks to get in their way, but the far right lane is a dangerous place if there is a lot of exiting and merging traffic. A couple of the trucks I drove would take more than a mile to accelerate from 50 mph (80 km/h) to 55 mph (90 km/h) if fully loaded. That provides a lot o modivation to avoid the lane that requires lots of speeding up and slowing down. Now, I see no excuse for _any_ vehicle to hang out in the left lane. Use it and get out! --Philip, in his speedy W123 240D
