date:20070309

Well, looking at this with a more scientific eye, 2 stroke oil is an oil and 
Diesel fuel is an oil. So you are adding oil to oil to get more efficency.
On a more believable plane, you can get a kit installed that will add 
LPG(liquid petroleum gas) to the air intake in order to burn more of the 
Diesel. I guess the theory is that the LPG will help get a quicker and more 
complete burn of the fuel, 
http://www.dieselgasaustralia.com.au/default.aspx?ID=Technical
Perhaps doing this to a 240D will help get the 1/4 mile times down to 2 days 
insted of the usuall 3:-)


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THANKS ZEB!!!;  DDUUHHH!!!; if the 2 cycle oil costs $1.50 a quart;
($6.00 a gal. 4 quarts) to get 2 more miles to a gallon; STUPID!!!;
next time i see this guy; I'll tell him that, that 2 more miles per
gallon; HA! HA! ; is costing MORE THAN A GALLON OF DIESEL!
Steve

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Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

The gummint ought to make it like homebrew beer -- you can make some 
amount a year (200 gal?) without being taxed.  After all, we're 
contributing to all manner of good things when we brew beer, oops, I 
mean biodiesel.


--R (fixin to make a batch of rangpur lime 'ritas here in a minute, 
crack a homebrew too, and have some good Texas Q!)

Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

Right on, Chuck - but you're still getting "cheap" gas in relation to a lot 
of places.


Here in South Jersey, Diesel fuel is again less expensive than regular,as of 
this week.  Paid $2.37on Tuesday, regular gas was $2.40!  I don't even 
bother to look at higher octane gas, as my lawn tractor and F-150 only use 
regular


Werner

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Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:51 PM
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Just a thought.

If we all drove cars that get 50-60 mpg of whatever fuel and halved
the road tax revenue, what's the next step?   Double the road/fuel tax?

If I read the article correctly,  the Geezer w/the Golf was willing
to pay the $244 outstanding road tax.  Why not just send a letter?
Absolutely no need to send the "militia"!

From another Geezer...  Not making bio, just buying gas!  Price here
in AZ went up $0.21/gal in last 10 days.  Now $2.73 for premium.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

There is a clear policy, that motor fuels are taxed.  Avoiding that tax 
might be tempting, but it is pretty clear that whatever fuel you put in a 
vehicle on public roads, needs to have a tax paid on that fuel.  The 
Government will also respond unfavorably to the user who puts #2 home 
heating fuel in their car/truck.  They have been known to stop vehicles on 
the road and check the fuel in the tank - if its red, you're busted.
Fuels used for home heating, farm use, generators, etc., are not taxed as 
motor fuels.  So home brew all the french fry oil you want for those uses!


Werner

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I suggest the issue is not so much using the roads for free as it is  being 
singled out for such treatment. If the
Govt wishes to concern itself with such then it needs to make a clear 
policy statment so that everyone knows where
they stand. I hope that is not coming soon with alternate energy sources 
but I suppose some day it will.


Randy

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Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns
vegetable oil in his Golf?

Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT
worth going after, but on principal

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Let me propose an alternate title for this item:

"When public servants have too much time on their hands"

OR

"When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax"


Allan
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1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

2007-03-09 Thread ernest breakfield

in California, i believe a small amount of BioD is allowed to be made 
for personal use (allegedly to encourage the use of non-petroleum 
fuels). beyond that, you're invited to list it as part of your regular 
tax return,...


   the current regulatory hurdle here has to do with actually getting 
the oil itself; you're supposed to be licensed to handle used Veggie 
Oil, as it's listed as a Hazardous Substance (watch those French 
Fries!), and technically can only be handled by a licensed authority!



cheers!
e


Allan Streib wrote:

Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns
vegetable oil in his Golf?

Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT
worth going after, but on principal

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  

Let me propose an alternate title for this item:

"When public servants have too much time on their hands"

OR

"When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax"



Allan

Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

2007-03-09 Thread Christopher McCann

i only know of one state where fuel taxes must be spent on roads - Missouri, by 
constitutional amendment. His other taxes pay for the roads he uses.

His fuel taxes probably pay for high school condom distribution.

Chris

Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why should he get to use the roads for 
free just because he burns
vegetable oil in his Golf?

Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT
worth going after, but on principal

Steve MacSween  writes:

> Let me propose an alternate title for this item:
>
> "When public servants have too much time on their hands"
>
> OR
>
> "When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax"

Allan
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Just a thought.

If we all drove cars that get 50-60 mpg of whatever fuel and halved  
the road tax revenue, what's the next step?   Double the road/fuel tax?

If I read the article correctly,  the Geezer w/the Golf was willing  
to pay the $244 outstanding road tax.  Why not just send a letter?   
Absolutely no need to send the "militia"!

 From another Geezer...  Not making bio, just buying gas!  Price here  
in AZ went up $0.21/gal in last 10 days.  Now $2.73 for premium.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Mar 9, 2007, at 1:27 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

> I suggest the issue is not so much using the roads for free as it  
> is  being singled out for such treatment. If the
> Govt wishes to concern itself with such then it needs to make a  
> clear policy statment so that everyone knows where
> they stand. I hope that is not coming soon with alternate energy  
> sources but I suppose some day it will.
>

Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

2007-03-09 Thread R A Bennell

I suggest the issue is not so much using the roads for free as it is  being 
singled out for such treatment. If the
Govt wishes to concern itself with such then it needs to make a clear policy 
statment so that everyone knows where
they stand. I hope that is not coming soon with alternate energy sources but I 
suppose some day it will.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns
vegetable oil in his Golf?

Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT
worth going after, but on principal

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Let me propose an alternate title for this item:
>
> "When public servants have too much time on their hands"
>
> OR
>
> "When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax"

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

Why should he get to use the roads for free just because he burns
vegetable oil in his Golf?

Agree the amount is so small from the state's perspective it is NOT
worth going after, but on principal

Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Let me propose an alternate title for this item:
>
> "When public servants have too much time on their hands"
>
> OR
>
> "When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax"

Allan
-- 
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1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

2007-03-09 Thread Steve MacSween

Let me propose an alternate title for this item:

"When public servants have too much time on their hands"

OR

"When lowlife neighbours rat you out to the mister tax"

That is truly pathetic, one has to assume someone resented someone else
actually taking a (cheap) alternative fuel initiative and ratted him out.

The state sending out a tax inspector on the public dime is no less
pathetic.

I had the same reaction when the Government of Canada sent not one, but TWO,
law enforcement officers (a customs investigator an RCMP constable) to my
house, all on account of me trying to import $26 worth of a health
supplement not approved for sale in Canada, via mail order.

Okay, I get two suits (combined annual gross, over $140k I would imagine) to
lecture me at my front door ("no, you can't come in") over $26 worth of a
pretty much harmless substance. Keeeriiist.

Mac

on 3/9/07 14:48, Rich Thomas at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When I'm a geezer I think I want to be like this guy.  Maybe we'll
> collect a bunch of guns and make the stuff in a compound lighted with
> 12V LEDs driven by veggie oil diesel generators lubricated with Delo or
> Mobil1 (proper blend to be determined), with Apple Pismos as our
> computers, and when the gummint comes, well, look out!
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 79 year old veggie oil maker
> 
> 
> David Wetzel, 79, makes his own fuel from recycled vegetable oil for his
> 1986 Volkswagen Golf, gets 46 miles per gallon - pretty neat huh? Well,
> the Illinois Department of Revenue visited and want him to pay a "motor
> fuel tax" (retroactively) and he might be hit with a $2,500 bond, a
> class 3 felony and a lot of other awful stuff - or it might just end up
> being $244 in taxes for the fuel he made.
> 
> State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel, Thanks
> NovySan! - Link. 
> 
> 
> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/79_year_old_veggie_oil_ma.html?CM
> P=OTC-0D6B48984890
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[MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

When I'm a geezer I think I want to be like this guy.  Maybe we'll 
collect a bunch of guns and make the stuff in a compound lighted with 
12V LEDs driven by veggie oil diesel generators lubricated with Delo or 
Mobil1 (proper blend to be determined), with Apple Pismos as our 
computers, and when the gummint comes, well, look out!


--R


   79 year old veggie oil maker


David Wetzel, 79, makes his own fuel from recycled vegetable oil for his 
1986 Volkswagen Golf, gets 46 miles per gallon - pretty neat huh? Well, 
the Illinois Department of Revenue visited and want him to pay a "motor 
fuel tax" (retroactively) and he might be hit with a $2,500 bond, a 
class 3 felony and a lot of other awful stuff - or it might just end up 
being $244 in taxes for the fuel he made.


State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel, Thanks 
NovySan! - Link. 



http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/79_year_old_veggie_oil_ma.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890

Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

2007-03-09 Thread Steve MacSween

on 3/9/07 11:24, Allan Streib at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I don't quite understand the mechanics of this, no other automatic in
> any other make I've owned has ever had this delay going into reverse
> -- I don't know what the purpose of it is or why MB built their
> transmissions this way.

It's not normal, it's a sign of wear. They don't do it when they are
new(er).

Mac

Re: [MBZ] The new D-C way to design cars...

2007-03-09 Thread Christopher McCann

when we lived in WI, we received a sheet from the doctor when my wife became 
pregnant with our first child listing the rivers NOT to eat fish out of while 
pregnant because of paper mills - Fox River was a big onemaybe that isn't 
such a bad industry to outsource...

CM

"Potter, Tom  E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you guys knew the NASTY stuff 
that is used in paper mills, you would
not want one near you. It takes some REALLY strong chemicals to make
that white paper, and the byproducts were pumped into holding ponds near
the plants. All life in or around these ponds died of course. In the old
days, they just pumped it into the river. Just the vapors from this
stuff would eat (not just corrode) copper and brass fixtures (motor
armatures, valves, etc.). I worked near one in Brunswick, GA, for a few
months years ago. It was a learning experience.

Tom Potter

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Interesting you bring up paper mills. For the most part, the USA is like
a third world country when it comes to paper. We export pulp as a raw
material and then re-import it as paper that is manufactured elsewhere -
most of it, I think, in Finland. Indeed, there will be no paper mills
here soon.

CM

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim very good / truthful wisdom below.  When Caddy
came out with a truck and 
called it the "escapade" that was another
nail in coffin for the US auto market.  In 30 years or less there will
be no 
more US car manufactures or Paper Mills for that matter.

As a country you need to make things and sell them to ourselves and the 
world.  We did this (very well once) when we were economically great,
hungry 
and humble about it.
Now we pat ourselves on the back for being a consumer nation with a
strong 
army and navy. A "service economy"  We are just supporting the
demographics 
(of 320 million people all
looking for a home in the suburbs) now and not very well I might add as
the 
two class system is rising to the top again, the haves and have nots.
It 
always does
when money and things get tight.

I have heard good things about the Hyundai cars as well.  Comes from a 
people/country being hungry to achieve goodness I guess.

Regards Tom
1979 240D
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>> The following is copied from an Email sent out by AutoWeek magazine.
>> While
>> this may make economic sense, it seems to follow the GM/Ford/Chrysler
>> model,
>> and we know how well that has worked in the long haul.
>
> Great, GM design-by-committee!  Bodes not well for high-quality
> vehicles.  Remember that Cadillac used to be a very high quality
> car?  But now it feeds from the same GM parts trough as the
> cheapest car they make.
>
> If they already had a perfect door handle, there'd be no reason
> to change it for a new model.  I don't buy the argument.  They
> should have just said "it's cheaper".  The fact that the sunroof,
> say, won't be matched in size to the vehicle isn't supposed to
> bother anybody.  Certainly not the accountants now running the
> show!
>
> And, of course, once your "perfect door handle" is no longer
> so perfect for the application well too bad.  Too many things
> use it for you to be able to change that "one perfect handle".
> I predict stagnation in the parts supply.  Versus the well-known
> dictum "grow or die".
>
> A co-worker just bought a new Kia, and was very favorably
> impressed with the quality he got for his money...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] New GM diesel

2007-03-09 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:26:30 -0500 "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Interesting similarities to the new M-B 320CDI engine -
> 
> 
> Displacement: 2947cc
> Power: 173 kW
> Bore: 83.0
> Stroke: 92.0
> torque: 540 Nm @1600-2400 rpm
> 
> The M-B engine also uses multiple injections of fuel (4 the last time I 
> heard) via piezo-electric injectors from a common rail at over 25,000
> psi.  It is interesting that the M-B engine apparently produces more
> torque over a  wider range from essentially the same size engine, with
> slightly less  horsepower.

Huh? More torque at the same RPM means more horsepower ... perhaps it's
the way it's measured.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] The new D-C way to design cars...

Anyone who ever was in the down-wind area of the paper mills in Tacoma knows 
about the "Aroma of Tacoma", which I've also experienced around Savannah, 
GA.  I can just imagine what actual contact with the chemicals can do!  Even 
a M-B wouldn't be immune to that stuff


Werner

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If you guys knew the NASTY stuff that is used in paper mills, you would
not want one near you. It takes some REALLY strong chemicals to make
that white paper, and the byproducts were pumped into holding ponds near
the plants. All life in or around these ponds died of course. In the old
days, they just pumped it into the river. Just the vapors from this
stuff would eat (not just corrode) copper and brass fixtures (motor
armatures, valves, etc.). I worked near one in Brunswick, GA, for a few
months years ago. It was a learning experience.

Tom Potter

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If you guys knew the NASTY stuff that is used in paper mills, you would
not want one near you. It takes some REALLY strong chemicals to make
that white paper, and the byproducts were pumped into holding ponds near
the plants. All life in or around these ponds died of course. In the old
days, they just pumped it into the river. Just the vapors from this
stuff would eat (not just corrode) copper and brass fixtures (motor
armatures, valves, etc.). I worked near one in Brunswick, GA, for a few
months years ago. It was a learning experience.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:12 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The new D-C way to design cars...

Interesting you bring up paper mills. For the most part, the USA is like
a third world country when it comes to paper. We export pulp as a raw
material and then re-import it as paper that is manufactured elsewhere -
most of it, I think, in Finland. Indeed, there will be no paper mills
here soon.

CM

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim very good / truthful wisdom below.  When Caddy
came out with a truck and=20
called it the "escapade" that was another
nail in coffin for the US auto market.  In 30 years or less there will
be no=20
more US car manufactures or Paper Mills for that matter.


As a country you need to make things and sell them to ourselves and the=20
world.  We did this (very well once) when we were economically great,
hungry=20
and humble about it.
Now we pat ourselves on the back for being a consumer nation with a
strong=20
army and navy. A "service economy"  We are just supporting the
demographics=20
(of 320 million people all
looking for a home in the suburbs) now and not very well I might add as
the=20
two class system is rising to the top again, the haves and have nots.
It=20
always does
when money and things get tight.

I have heard good things about the Hyundai cars as well.  Comes from a=20
people/country being hungry to achieve goodness I guess.

Regards Tom
1979 240D
- Original Message -=20
From: "Jim Cathey"=20
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"=20
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The new D-C way to design cars...



The following is copied from an Email sent out by AutoWeek magazine.
While
this may make eco

Re: [MBZ] New GM diesel


Interesting similarities to the new M-B 320CDI engine -


Displacement: 2947cc
Power: 173 kW
Bore: 83.0
Stroke: 92.0
torque: 540 Nm @1600-2400 rpm

The M-B engine also uses multiple injections of fuel (4 the last time I 
heard) via piezo-electric injectors from a common rail at over 25,000 psi. 
It is interesting that the M-B engine apparently produces more torque over a 
wider range from essentially the same size engine, with slightly less 
horsepower.
I'm not sure of the metal in the block, iron or silicon-aluminum.  I do know 
that the V6/V8/V12 gas engines are sleeveless aluminum.  They get the wear 
resistance of the bore by chemically etching back the aluminum after it is 
machined, leaving a hard silicon surface for the piston rings to ride 
against.  Obviously, you can't take that block to the local machine shop to 
bore out the cylinders!


Werner

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: [MBZ] New GM diesel


GENEVA: VM Motori cooperation gives GM new V6 turbodiesel

General Motors is at last apparently getting serious about diesels for its
American cars sold in Europe.
To be fair, it does have a four-cylinder diesel option for its Europe-only
BLS but that is just a rebodied Saab 9-3 and not, as some purists might 
argue, a

'real Cadillac.'
So, somewhat lost amongst all the talk of Chrysler sales, CO2
emissions limits and sporty hybrids, the automaker launched a new 2.9 liter 
V6 turbodiesel
with the latest injection and combustion technology for minimum emissions 
and

maximum performance.
The new 184 kW/250 hp engine will be sold mainly sold in Europe and is
scheduled to appear first in the 2009 Cadillac CTS.
"We expect the V6 diesel to be highly competitive in the European luxury
segment," said general manager Jim Taylor. "With its excellent low-end 
torque and
its high power output, it is a great fit with Cadillac's 
performance-oriented

brand character."
The compact dual overhead cam, four-valve V6 belongs to a new GM family of
diesel engines, featuring an innovative closed-loop combustion control 
system
designed to meet future emissions standards. The engine can be installed in 
a
longitudinal or transverse layout and can be adapted to a wide range of 
two-or

four-wheel drive vehicles.
GM's development of the new engine is being coordinated under the leadership
of GM Powertrain's European operations in Turin, Italy, in cooperation with 
VM

Motori based in Cento, Italy.
GM ended a similar arrangement with Fiat some time ago but engines from that
cooperation will be available in both automakers' ranges for some time yet.
Under the newer deal, GM Powertrain will focus on the development of the
clean combustion process, electronic engine control and exhaust gas
after-treatment, as well as calibration and integration for GM vehicles.
VM Motori will build the new unit at its plant in Cento, and is responsible
for the mechanical aspects of the engine's design, development and bench
testing.
"The V6 diesel integrates leading technologies and will deliver outstanding
performance, fuel economy and low emissions," said GM Powertrain Europe vice
president Roger Johansson.
The V6 engine management system enables optimal fuel economy as well as
reduced emissions and noise by using recently developed combustion control
technology.
Key to the system are high speed piezo-resistive cylinder pressure sensors
that are integrated within the engine glow-plugs. These specialized sensors
acquire real-time data from the combustion process, enabling instantaneous
fine-tuning of the fuel injection process. In the future, this clean 
combustion

control technology will be introduced in other GM Powertrain diesel engines.
The high-pressure, common-rail system provides up to 2000 bar (29,000 psi)
injection pressure. The injectors are quick-firing piezo-electrically 
actuated,

allowing up to eight injections per engine cycle. The after-treatment system
includes an oxidation catalyst and a particulate filter that are close 
coupled

to the engine to achieve future emissions standards.
An electronically controlled variable geometry turbocharger generates boost
pressure. The engine has a torque of 550 Nm (406 lb-ft) beginning at 2000 
rpm,

while providing effective fuel economy and reduced emissions.
The new, compact engine has aluminum cylinder heads and a 60 degree bank
angle, and 83.0 mm bore and 90.4 mm stroke, for a displacement of 2,935 
cubic
centimeters. The engine block is made of stronger and lighter compacted 
graphite

iron (as compared to lower strength aluminum or heavier gray cast iron) to
optimize engine packaging, weight, refinement and performance.

Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The transmission is now usable, but not perfect (330 kmi). Still
> takes a few extra seconds to go into 1st or Reverse. Once the
> magnets stop attracting gunk, I'll switch back to the Synthetic.

A small delay (second or two) going into reverse is normal, maybe you
mean a longer-than-normal delay?

I don't quite understand the mechanics of this, no other automatic in
any other make I've owned has ever had this delay going into reverse
-- I don't know what the purpose of it is or why MB built their
transmissions this way.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

2007-03-09 Thread dave walton

When I got my 87SDL (300 kmi), it would not shift into 4th. None of
the gears felt right. The transmission fluid was about the color and
consistency of chocolate syrup. I immediately changed it to M1-ATF,
which was a mistake. It helped, but not enough. I have since done
several fluid changes with WallMart cheapo ATF. Each time, the fluid
runs clearer. I read somewhere that magnets would pick up specks of
metal floating in the fluid, so I put several of these in the pan and
against the filter:

http://cgi.ebay.com/30-Neodymium-Bar-Magnets-1-2-L-x-1-4-W-x-1-4-H-N48_W0QQitemZ160091697111QQcategoryZ413QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The magnets are still coming out coated with black slime. I wipe them
off, and put them back with each fluid change. The transmission is now
usable, but not perfect (330 kmi). Still takes a few extra seconds to
go into 1st or Reverse. Once the magnets stop attracting gunk, I'll
switch back to the Synthetic.

-Dave Walton
82 240D, 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300

On 3/8/07, Chris Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm glad to find another group online to help me with my Benz. It has been
an adventure.
My problem is that when I put the car in a forward gear, it doesn't want to
actually hold onto first gear. If I use very minimal pressure on the
accelerator pedal it is fine, but if I actually push down the car seems like
it slips partway out of
gear. It actually reminds me of if you hold the clutch to the point
where it just starts to engage on a manual transmission car.
It will eventually get up to speed, and once I get to second gear it is
fine. Third and fourth seem to be just fine, also. Reverse actually seems
better than it was before. It initially did this when it was about 5
degrees outside, and not having a garage I have been letting the car sit,
just start it up, and warm up every week. I checked the fluid level, and it
was low, so I added some, but it still does the same thing, at least in my
carport. The things I have been told to do are, change the filter, and
change the fluid to synthetic, change the B2 piston, or replace the
transmission (the dealer's $5000 solution).
Anyway, any thought would be welcomed.
Thanks
Chris

BTW
82 800SD 31+ miles odometer stopped, don't know when.
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[MBZ] Daytime running lights

2007-03-09 Thread Glenn Brown


Jim,
Anytime I'm on an X-way or I-state, I tend to have my low beam headlights on
whether it's daytime or not and I've been doing this for many years.  Since
I tend to drive a bit faster than the norm, I've found that people ahead of
me tend to pull over into the right lane sooner as they apparently see me
coming sooner.  Just a bit on safety from my perspective.

GG. M. Brown
Rochester, NY

Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

"Chris Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm pretty sure that I'm just going to change the B2, and then go to the
> synthetic ATF, pop in a new filter and gasket, and be done.  I'm not what I
> would call mechanically inclined, but I think I can figure this out.  It
> also sounds like there is more room in the SD than in the D.
> If you can send teh write up, Allen that would be great.

Here's what I posted to the old [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, in April 2005:

 Despite what you may have heard or read, it is possible to do
this repair on a W123 without removing the transmission.  My thanks
again to Dave S. who helped me at several points along the way with
this.

 Read the articles at http://transmission.articles.mbz.org/b2, and
its links to the two articles at Richard Easley's site.  My repair
went pretty much along those lines, using all the parts listed in the
mbz.org article.  Where my experience deviated from the existing
writeups was:

 Before you start, get yourself a set of picks.  These look like
dental tools.  I got a set of three at the local True-Value store,
which included a 90-degree pick, a "double offset" pick, and a "hook"
pick.  The cost of the set was about $9, and absolutely worth the
price for this repair. I used the hook shaped pick the most, so if you
can find that on its own it would probably be sufficient.

 At the hardware store, you may also want to get a "brad puller"
to help with removing the seal at the back of the main bore (more on
that later).  This is like a nail puller but in minature.  Should have
a long shank (at least 7 - 8 inches) and a bent tip.  Alternatively
you can do what I did: take a longish screwdriver, heat the end in a
torch until it is a dull red, then hammer it over so there is about a
15 or 20 degree bend at the very end.

 In the W123, clearance is tight.  To gain the necessary access,
support the transmission mount with a floor jack and remove the four
bolts that hold the mount support plate to the bottom of the car.
When I removed these bolts, one of the lock washers split in two.  The
others were squashed absolutely flat, so I decided to replace them.  I
picked up a package of four 3/8" grade 8 lock washers, which had the
same gold/cad color and are a very snug fit, like the originals.  I
used a scribe to mark the exact position of the plate on the underside
of the car before I loosened anything; I'm not sure if this is
necessary but I did not want to risk getting the drivetrain out of
alignment.

 Also unbolt the center driveshaft bearing, which is about 6 or 8
inches rearward of the transmission mount.  Again, I used a scribe to
make some marks so I could line everything up exactly as it was upon
reassembly.  Unbolting this bearing will allow the transmission to
drop a bit farther than unbolting the transmission mount alone, which
is essential to gaining enough clearance to get the new piston
installed.

 With the mount and drivshaft bearing unbolted, gently lower the
floor jack, and wedge the transmission over to the left as described
in the above mentioned articles.  Be sure the hood is up since the
front of the engine will rise as the transmission is lowered.

 Clean the B2 cover as well as you can.  I used CRC Brake Cleaner
spray, which is not something you want to breathe a lot of.  Take a
break at this point and let the fumes clear.

 The cover is held in place by a retaining ring.  There is a gap
in the ring, which should be located where you see the raised round
area near the outer edge of the cover.  This was at about the 2
o'clock position on my car.  Press the cover in, and use your
hook-shaped pick to get under the end of the ring and pull it out.
Then work around the ring until it pops free.  I was able to depress
the B2 cover with hand pressure; I did not need any kind of homebrew
"compressor" tool as described in the mbz.org writeup.

 You may need to wiggle the cover by pressing alternating sides,
tapping it, etc. but it should pop free once the retaining ring is
out.  About a cup of ATF will get dumped at this point, so be
prepared.

 Assuming your B2 piston actually is broken, it will come out in
pieces.  There is a small pushrod in there -- try to notice which end
is in and which end is out.  Mine fell out onto the floor, so I don't
know if I reinstalled it the same way -- it does not look like it
would matter, but it would be best to keep it in the original
orientation if you can.

 Once the piston is out, you have to deal with replacing the
aforementioned black seal at the rear of the bore.  I tried pulling it
with the picks but it absolutely would not budge.  Using your brad
puller or modified screwdriver, approaching horizontally (parallel to
the floor) from the rear, place the tip between the seal and the alloy
bushing immediately behind it.  Tap the tool under the seal to
dislodge it.  Once it has been dislodged, you can use your pick tools
to pull it free.  It may still be a bi

Re: [MBZ] The new D-C way to design cars...

2007-03-09 Thread Christopher McCann

Interesting you bring up paper mills. For the most part, the USA is like a 
third world country when it comes to paper. We export pulp as a raw material 
and then re-import it as paper that is manufactured elsewhere - most of it, I 
think, in Finland. Indeed, there will be no paper mills here soon.

CM

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim very good / truthful wisdom below.  When Caddy 
came out with a truck and 
called it the "escapade" that was another
nail in coffin for the US auto market.  In 30 years or less there will be no 
more US car manufactures or Paper Mills for that matter.

As a country you need to make things and sell them to ourselves and the 
world.  We did this (very well once) when we were economically great, hungry 
and humble about it.
Now we pat ourselves on the back for being a consumer nation with a strong 
army and navy. A "service economy"  We are just supporting the demographics 
(of 320 million people all
looking for a home in the suburbs) now and not very well I might add as the 
two class system is rising to the top again, the haves and have nots.   It 
always does
when money and things get tight.

I have heard good things about the Hyundai cars as well.  Comes from a 
people/country being hungry to achieve goodness I guess.

Regards Tom
1979 240D
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The new D-C way to design cars...

>> The following is copied from an Email sent out by AutoWeek magazine.
>> While
>> this may make economic sense, it seems to follow the GM/Ford/Chrysler
>> model,
>> and we know how well that has worked in the long haul.
>
> Great, GM design-by-committee!  Bodes not well for high-quality
> vehicles.  Remember that Cadillac used to be a very high quality
> car?  But now it feeds from the same GM parts trough as the
> cheapest car they make.
>
> If they already had a perfect door handle, there'd be no reason
> to change it for a new model.  I don't buy the argument.  They
> should have just said "it's cheaper".  The fact that the sunroof,
> say, won't be matched in size to the vehicle isn't supposed to
> bother anybody.  Certainly not the accountants now running the
> show!
>
> And, of course, once your "perfect door handle" is no longer
> so perfect for the application well too bad.  Too many things
> use it for you to be able to change that "one perfect handle".
> I predict stagnation in the parts supply.  Versus the well-known
> dictum "grow or die".
>
> A co-worker just bought a new Kia, and was very favorably
> impressed with the quality he got for his money...
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

2007-03-09 Thread Chris Lane

I'm pretty sure that I'm just going to change the B2, and then go to the
synthetic ATF, pop in a new filter and gasket, and be done.  I'm not what I
would call mechanically inclined, but I think I can figure this out.  It
also sounds like there is more room in the SD than in the D.
If you can send teh write up, Allen that would be great.
Chris

On 3/9/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Chris Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The things I have been told to do are, change the filter, and change
> the fluid to synthetic, change the B2 piston, or replace the
> transmission (the dealer's $5000 solution).

Sounds reasonable.  The symptoms you describe are similar to what I
had in my '83 300D as the B2 was failing.  Synthetic (Mobil 1) ATF
seemed to help for a while, but then one day -- massive slippage in
first gear.  If you're already experiencing that, an M1 change might
be a waste of money, because you have to drain the fluid for the B2
repair anyway.

If you are mechanically inclined, the B2 repair is not that bad.  I
did mine without pulling the transmission; a tight squeeze but it is
possible.  I posted a writeup of my repair to the old Diesel (mbz.org)
list a couple of years ago, if you want I can try to find it and send
it to you.

Otherwise, if you can find an indy to do it, it would certainly be
cheaper than a new transmission.  And if he pulls the B2 piston and
it's NOT broken into pieces, you know right then that you have other
problems.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

"Chris Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The things I have been told to do are, change the filter, and change
> the fluid to synthetic, change the B2 piston, or replace the
> transmission (the dealer's $5000 solution).

Sounds reasonable.  The symptoms you describe are similar to what I
had in my '83 300D as the B2 was failing.  Synthetic (Mobil 1) ATF
seemed to help for a while, but then one day -- massive slippage in
first gear.  If you're already experiencing that, an M1 change might
be a waste of money, because you have to drain the fluid for the B2
repair anyway.

If you are mechanically inclined, the B2 repair is not that bad.  I
did mine without pulling the transmission; a tight squeeze but it is
possible.  I posted a writeup of my repair to the old Diesel (mbz.org)
list a couple of years ago, if you want I can try to find it and send
it to you.

Otherwise, if you can find an indy to do it, it would certainly be
cheaper than a new transmission.  And if he pulls the B2 piston and
it's NOT broken into pieces, you know right then that you have other
problems.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

"OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Right! I have a Radio Shack 12v red LED across the mono valve to
> tell me when it's open or closed (bad ACC push button panel that I
> haven't fixed yet). It's been there for a good six months or more -
> still works.

On that topic, are you supposed to be able to hear gurgling in the
cabin when the monovalve opens?  I can in my car, sounds like bubbles
in the heater core.  I had the coolant changed last fall, wouldn't any
trapped air have been pushed through the system pretty quickly?

Allan

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Adding 2 cycle oil to diesel

2007-03-09 Thread andrew strasfogel


Anyone else remember the quirky Chevron TV commercials?

"A tankful of Chevron Supreme will last you the life of your car...
[provided you don't drive]"


On 3/9/07, Stephen D Murrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


THANKS ZEB!!!;  DDUUHHH!!!; if the 2 cycle oil costs $1.50 a quart;
($6.00 a gal. 4 quarts) to get 2 more miles to a gallon; STUPID!!!;
next time i see this guy; I'll tell him that, that 2 more miles per
gallon; HA! HA! ; is costing MORE THAN A GALLON OF DIESEL!
Steve

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[MBZ] 79 year old veggie oil maker harassed by gummint

When I'm a geezer I think I want to be like this guy.  Maybe we'll 
collect a bunch of guns and make the stuff in a compound lighted with 
12V LEDs driven by veggie oil diesel generators lubricated with Delo or 
Mobil1 (proper blend to be determined), with Apple Pismos as our 
computers, and when the gummint comes, well, look out!


--R


   79 year old veggie oil maker

1021491
David Wetzel, 79, makes his own fuel from recycled vegetable oil for his 
1986 Volkswagen Golf, gets 46 miles per gallon - pretty neat huh? Well, 
the Illinois Department of Revenue visited and want him to pay a "motor 
fuel tax" (retroactively) and he might be hit with a $2,500 bond, a 
class 3 felony and a lot of other awful stuff - or it might just end up 
being $244 in taxes for the fuel he made.


State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel, Thanks 
NovySan! - Link. 



http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/79_year_old_veggie_oil_ma.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890

[MBZ] OT Who uses voice recognition?

I recall someone here using VR software -- it looks like from this 
posting that the new Windows Vista OS has some built-in capabilities:


http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/01/telling-your-computer-what-to-do/

--R

Re: [MBZ] Cooling System Technical Help 1979 240D

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Merle

Have you got the vent metal pipe between water pump housing and cylinder
head fitted. Perhaps its blocked. This assists with removing air trapped
in head.

Peter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 March 2007 01:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Cooling System Technical Help 1979 240D

1.  My temperature gaugee (which is the combo fuel gauge, and lube oil 
pressure gauge) is very speratic flipping around alot.  I changed this
whole 
gauge unit out, same thing with the replacement,
Temp gauge bounces.
A) next step () change out sensor at engine. ??? I am going to try 
this... is this the forward sensor or the after sensor on the left side
of 
engine block.  Has any one done this job is it in a "thermo well" or
when I 
pull it does the sensor sit in the coolant and will leak.  Any type of 
sealant when I screw it back in please

B) Can start car and run from a cold start for 400 miles not problem.
If 
car comes to idle or if leave parked and shut off for a few minutes, and

reastart and get on highway
can only sometime experience over heating.

~~ If it is an air issue, can can air pocket in the thermostate housing
and 
cause it to "close" stop flow to radiator becuase the air is cooler than
the 
coolant??

~~Belts are tight to water pump, and when at highway speed not over
heating 
is experienced if started from cold

~~ could a small leak in the heater core (no steam or fog or liquid
noticed 
in car) cause the build up of air in system??

Please help thanks

Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D 115K miles 

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[MBZ] DO ALL MY OWN REPAIR; STEVE

2007-03-09 Thread Stephen D Murrell

Forgot to mention; with some GREAT advice & Knowledge from the
listers!
Steve

Re: [MBZ] Mystery Water leak W123 300D (Peter Merle)

2007-03-09 Thread Jim Cathey

BTW, I read somewhere that coolant molecules actually are smaller than 
H2O and find their way through more easily through old hose.  I need a 
chemist to explain how that can possibly be...doesn't a molecule of 
ethylene glycol have more atoms than water?


Well, an icepick has more atoms than a marble, but I think the
former would go further through my hand when dropped from a height!

I guess I'm saying that molecular shape might matter.  As well as
composition given the bizarrities of chemistry.

I think I'll stick to C and destroying LED's!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mystery Water leak W123 300D (Peter Merle)

2007-03-09 Thread B Dike

Peter,

The miniscule leak you describe is likely due to an old weeping coolant hose.  
First check the bypass hose, then the lower hose.  I see the problem 
periodically in my 'fleet', and it's usually the same fix.  

BTW, I read somewhere that coolant molecules actually are smaller than H2O and 
find their way through more easily through old hose.  I need a chemist to 
explain how that can possibly be...doesn't a molecule of ethylene glycol have 
more atoms than water?

Good Luck,



Bruce
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I guess I'm just a HICK from the sticks' I do all my Electrical,
Plumbing, carpentry, diesel work, all auto repair, watch repair,
Tattooing in the long past, etc.; couldn't stand the city; couldn't shoot
my machine guns & semi autos, in town so moved out in the "sticks"; nice
to live here, not with PEOPLE like JOHN HOWARD in OZ.; me & my very good
Aussie friend agree; oh i did not try the oil thing; thought it was
cheaper to just use diesel fuel.  SURE glad all these responses are ALL
in FUN!!
Steve

[MBZ] Adding 2 cycle oil to diesel

2007-03-09 Thread Stephen D Murrell

THANKS ZEB!!!;  DDUUHHH!!!; if the 2 cycle oil costs $1.50 a quart;
($6.00 a gal. 4 quarts) to get 2 more miles to a gallon; STUPID!!!;
next time i see this guy; I'll tell him that, that 2 more miles per
gallon; HA! HA! ; is costing MORE THAN A GALLON OF DIESEL!
Steve

Re: [MBZ] Resister to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-09 Thread OK Don


Right! I have a Radio Shack 12v red LED across the mono valve to tell
me when it's open or closed (bad ACC push button panel that I haven't
fixed yet). It's been there for a good six months or more - still
works.

On 3/8/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I bought a couple of 12V LEDs a the electronic toystore for like $0.99
each.  Just go buy a couple, stick them on car power somewhere and see
if they work out.  If they do, then use them in your application.  If
they don't then try something else.  What we seem to have here is
paralysis by analysis.

--R (BSLED, Smoke Test School of Engineering)
>


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Re: [MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

2007-03-09 Thread Peter Frederick

Change filter and fluid and see what happens.  LIkely the low/reverse 
band is slipping, and that can be adjusted, I think, but not if the 
drum itself is bad.  once they get bad enough to slip noticably, they 
usually require a complete rebuild, and it's cheaper to do a tranny 
swap.  You won't find any local transmission shops that can do a Benz 
properly, they don't replace enough stuff usually.


A tranny is about $1500 plus labor to R&R, shouldn't be $5000 at an 
independent shop.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Resistor to lower voltage to use LEDS as small lights

2007-03-09 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:34:44 -0600 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Jim Cathey wrote:
> > LED's are commonly seriously overdriven in multiplexed display
> > operations.  Huge current spikes that would fry them if continuous.
> > But they're intermittent, as are the load-dump spikes in an automotive
> > system.
> >   
> 
> Thats what I think would happen too.  If you're lucky enough to have a 
> datasheet for the LEDs there is a continuous and a peak current rating. 
> :)
> 
> Either way, 60V?!? I don't know if I believe that happening on most 
> vehicles (ie, you had something freaky going on we don't normally see). 
> 
> The reason I say that is one of the projects at my work is to make an 
> engine speed controller so that an HMMV can be at a high enough RPM to 
> generate a 400A 28VDC (yep, 28V) load.  We could switch that load on/off
> and we never saw any monster spikes like that.  No doubt it wasn't a 
> clean 28V, but it wasn't quite that insane!!  Maybe you were talking 
> about a more local voltage spike and not one across the battery?  I'm 
> still new in engineering land so I'm used to being wrong.. ;) 

As one who has been an electronic design engineer for many years and then
changed to physics, I can say that the concern about "load dump" on
automotive electrical systems is not unfounded. In the past, I've heard
about 40 V spikes on the 12 V system from things like turning headlights
off.

What causes this is that in order to put out additional current, the
alternator has to generate more voltage to compensate for the increased
drop across its internal resistance. The more voltage is generated by more
field current. When the load is suddenly cut off (dumped), the field
current cannot drop instantaneously to what it should be for the generator
to generate only the reduced current and the alternator's output voltage
spikes. This spike is not entirely clamped by the battery because of its
internal resistance.

But that was then. How about now?

Well, then the generator/alternator was regulated by an electromechanical
relay operating like a buzzer. Not the quickest response. Now, there is a
electronic regulator, which will operate much more accurately and much
more quickly.

The limiting factor in the load dump scenario is now how much reverse
voltage they will allow the voltage across the field coil to go to in
order drop the current. (Remember, E = Ldi/dT => dT = Ldi/E So the larger
the voltage allowed, the quicker the current will drop allowing the
alternator to put out reduced current.)

This is dependent upon the design of the voltage regulator and could go to
hundreds of volts depending upon the control transistor in the regulator
(which is the ONLY thing that sees this voltage). This would allow a MUCH
faster negative transient (load dump) response than electomechanical
regulators.

In addition, it's likely that alternators now have less internal
resistance than they used to, requiring less of a boost in the field
current for additional load than the older ones.

It's not suprising then, John, that you don't see significant
transients.

As far as how LEDs are operated, Jim Cathey is correct. LEDs are more
efficient at higher current, but have a power limitation. Thus, pulsed
LEDs are brighter than the same LEDs run on the same average current.
LEDs can indeed take a high pulsed value of current. Pulsed LEDs are
typically run at a 5 - 10% duty cycle, so they can take a peak current of
10 - 20 times their average current rating. This, of course, depends upon
the specific LED, of course.

> As an aside... the current probes measured nearly 800A peak for the 
> stall current on the starter!!

Yup, that's a bunch of current. Is it at 12 or 28 V?

Craig

Re: [MBZ] faszination video on W124 - like the W123 video

2007-03-09 Thread OK Don


I like that they say "form follows function", "crash test", showed the
500E and the long wheel base models.

On 3/8/07, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs7sWviGW8

Chris



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Re: [MBZ] Adding 2 cycle oil to diesel fuel???????????????

Yes, appareently anglo saxons are the only race on Earth that can be made 
fun of without getting into trouble.
I believe it has something to do with the ability to laugh at yourself and 
also the ability to recognise humours sarcasm.
Imagine if they made TV shows like Fawlty towers, Love thy neighbour or Are 
you being served(as a side note, the actor that played the gay sales 
assistant passed away yesterday) in todays PC world.


- Original Message - 
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adding 2 cycle oil to diesel fuel???



Just a little side note:

I've found it interesting that the rural southerner is the only ethic 
group

that it is socially acceptable to slur. You see it in TV ads all the time.

I always try to imagine the blitzkrieg of outrage that would result if a
heavily-accented inner-city or southern black was made fun of even if it 
was

all in good fun.

I know you were just funnin', I think, and I'm not hating on you, Hendrik,
just posing a question.

Brian

[MBZ] 82 300SD transmission troubles

2007-03-09 Thread Chris Lane


I'm glad to find another group online to help me with my Benz.  It has been
an adventure.
My problem is that when I put the car in a forward gear, it doesn't want to
actually hold onto first gear.  If I use very minimal pressure on the
accelerator pedal it is fine, but if I actually push down the car seems like
it slips partway out of
gear.  It actually reminds me of if you hold the clutch to the point
where it just starts to engage on a manual transmission car.
It will eventually get up to speed, and once I get to second gear it is
fine.  Third and fourth seem to be just fine, also.  Reverse actually seems
better than it was before.  It initially did this when it was about 5
degrees outside, and not having a garage I have been letting the car sit,
just start it up, and warm up every week.  I checked the fluid level, and it
was low, so I added some, but it still does the same thing, at least in my
carport.  The things I have been told to do are, change the filter, and
change the fluid to synthetic, change the B2 piston, or replace the
transmission (the dealer's $5000 solution).
Anyway, any thought would be welcomed.
Thanks
Chris

BTW
82 800SD 31+ miles odometer stopped, don't know when.

Re: [MBZ] Adding 2 cycle oil to diesel fuel???????????????

I had to think that one through but got there in the end:-)

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Adding 2 cycle oil to diesel fuel???

I have heard that adding a gallon of diesel fuel to 10 gallons of fuel 
will

get you more mileage.  I think it like a 10% increase or something.

Chris K
Cayce, SC

Re: [MBZ] Exciting stuff