[MBZ] Time to trade
I am probably going to trade in the 1990 300SEL (leaking headgasket) today for a 2001 Ford Expedition. I drove it home last night. I knew when my wife and I argued over who was going to get to drive it, that I would get it. It really is VERY nice. Ok, so it's a little big, but so am I. I can buy it pretty cheaply relative to its bluebook value and even with paying off the Benz, I will still have some built in equity. Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (soon to be traded) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
it's sort of a backwards culture here, especially when compared to the mainstream mercedes culture. in the real world of montvale culture, my ex-wife's 92 300E with nearly 200k miles indicates that she is poor and a loser and needs to be treated with disdain and comtempt. in our world, this is kind of the cutting edge of modern cars, only to be driven by the adventuresome and we really know in our hearts that she needs to trade it for an 84 300D. no matter how often i try to retire my 81 300TD, i always end up behind the wheel. you, dear roger, seem to fall into no man's land. both we and montvale probably see you as insane for keeping a car for seven years. your plan is a loser on all fronts. On 9/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rodger is pointing out that he has money and you don't, No, I am not. It just seems to me that sometimes it's justified to spend a bit to have a problem identified using a tool one does not have rather than fiddle around for months throwing parts at something. I don't like deferred maintenance much. And the amount of shit rained down on me because I replace my car about every seven years is tiresome. So what? I haven't bothered to detail all the fixes done to my C320 over the years and I'm just damned lucky I haven't had to pay for them. And it isn't over yet with one month to go. RLE ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. They have a coil-on-plug setup where there is a separate coil for each spark plug. In my experience these are prone to failure (well, think about it, you have 8 coils, thus the failure probability of one coil is multiplied by 8). It happened to us when we had an F150; also to friends in their Expedition. When this happens the plug fouls so you have to replace the plug as well as the coil. Otherwise, in my experince yes they are nice, big, powerful, comfortable vehicles. Hope you have a big budget for gasoline. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi.
Not sure what route I'll take but IAC I always put a heavy chain thru the chain and secure it tightly. But renting Rustys compressor is the way to go - I'm checking out the LCA, ball jt, etc to see what, if anything needs replacing - Agree with testing the shock Vs replacing - mine have ~140k on them and according to some that's way over the hill - replace and be done with it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi. You like gambling? LarryT wrote: Hmm... No, ... how big a deal will it be to use a standard spring compressor - using proper safety procedures of course. ?? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
I know it wont be worth very much in a couple of years. The value on those things drop like rocks. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Time to trade I am probably going to trade in the 1990 300SEL (leaking headgasket) today for a 2001 Ford Expedition. I drove it home last night. I knew when my wife and I argued over who was going to get to drive it, that I would get it. It really is VERY nice. Ok, so it's a little big, but so am I. I can buy it pretty cheaply relative to its bluebook value and even with paying off the Benz, I will still have some built in equity. Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (soon to be traded) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it is none of their business either. Parts stores usually want my business (sales tax) license # before giving me a wholesale discount or sales tax waiver. They must have my tax license on file to waive the sales tax if I claim resale exemption from tax. I'm sure if I wanted them to order a keg of R12, they would want a photocopy of my EPA license. Nobody in my town has R12 of any size in stock anymore. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion
Craig, Just because you got lucky does not mean that all m617s will not require the flywheel to be match balanced. Each motor is different and MUST be handled on a case by case basis. A good machinist typically charges under $150 to match the balancing, sometimes even far less than that. Is the integrity of your main bearings and the other internals really worth scrimping by such a small amount? The old saying penny wise and pound foolish seems to apply here. Mathieu On Sep 7, 2007, at 12:43 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:35:05 -0400 Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, You will have a few obstacles to overcome. First off the flywheel will require balancing to match that of the flex plate on the m617. Having done this myself, I can say this is not really necessary. Craig --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 241 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't bothered to detail all the fixes done to my C320 over the years and I'm just damned lucky I haven't had to pay for them. And it isn't over yet with one month to go. That's why many of the cheapskates among us are wasting our time looking for that perfect W12x or even W11x, instead of buying a nice seven year old W203, W210, etc. I can fix almost anything on a W124 diesel, and in the worst case, I can fix the electronics on a late model W124 diesel by removing them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Hendrik wrote: Well yes there are still cars in Oz with R12 in the system but it is now unobtanium and releasing it into the atmosphere is against the law. Releasing R12 can win us a USD10,000 fine. What's it cost down under, or do they jail you? We pay the same fine if we release R134a, yet computer stores can sell it as a dust blower or parts chiller, and marine stores sell 134a cans with air horns attached. As others said, manufacture/importation of R12 has been banned since about 1995, as part of an international treaty. Since that time, a federal license has been required to purchase the stuff. In the 1970's, I could get a 12oz can at the local Kmart for under a dollar, maybe 25 cents when it went on sale in the fall. I have a few 14oz cans, I bet I could sell them for $30 each now. I get the impression that Mexico wasn't part of that treaty, we can still get a car serviced cheaply if we take it to a mechanic in Mexico. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost . Cleaning fuel injectors
Hendrik wrote: OK so you spend an afternoon cleaning them, now what? Do you have a set up to determine the spray? With the Saabs, we used to pull the two pairs of injectors, (one screw per pair), put them in containers (usually the bottoms cut off of coolant jugs), pop off the hose from the airbox to the air meter, jump the fuel pump relay, and pull up on the air meter flapper with a magnet. The ones that didn't spray right got swapped out. The swapped out injectors eventually got ultrasonic cleanings, and if they still sprayed bad, rebuilt with new nozzles. (I worked for a independent Saab shop 20 years ago) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion
Thanks for the correction James. I have not been there in about three years and the memory just wasn't working. When you come off the bridge onto Big Pine in the early morning the area is full of the little critters. Thus far I have been spared any personal contact with the Iguanas. I note you have several of the mid '90's 500 - 600's. For one who does only the barest mechanical work, I have been thinking that first, Don's 300SEL might be the best choice, but if I don't do that one and my disability suit eventually comes thru I have been interested in a 500 or even a 600 sedan. I have a decent mechanic who is honest, but still $80 an hour. Thoughts? He works on 500's, but doesn't have any customers who have a 600. It would be used almost exclusively for my wife to take to work - about 15 miles, and would be the car of choice for our Friday night date. Too low gas mileage for much else. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 294k miles -Original Message- From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 6, 2007 11:15 AM To: 'billr' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion The Key Deer are on No Name Key and Big Pine Key where the National Key Deer Refuge is. Iguanas on the other hand are everywhere and some are monster huge! Saw one in a tree from 20 yards, it had a head as large as a man's. James Zavesky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion To chime in on deer populations, one of the lower FL Keys [Summerland?] has Key Deer. Very cute and pretty tame - about the size of a medium dog [but probably would taste better ..]. It is illegal to fence them out, or drive over 45 day or 25 mph at night where they frequent [including as stretch of US 1]. If you want to find some angry home owners chat with residents who can't grow gardens or many ornamental plants except as deer fodder. One of mom's friends had a remote control gate installed for security reasons and is not allowed to close it as it would keep the deer out of her gardens. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 294k miles -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 6, 2007 9:46 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion Someone needs to invent a gatling-bow haul a truck load home Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:32 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion That one is easy, they starve or another predator emerges. I'm from Portland, Maine and several of the islands in the bay have problems with deer. In recent times every couple years they have a limited archery hunt to reduce population. Its interesting how greenie weenies will line up to have you sit on their back porch and bag the garden destroyers... -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:48:47 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have wanted to mention something, but not until now has the subject come close enough to what I want to metion: We live on an island here in WA. I am wondering how animals on an island avoid the problems that come with a limited gene pool. I mean, I don't picture any deer swimming across the sound to diversify the gene pool. Also, I can add to the discussion of an over protection of animals leading to their overpopulation, etc. I don't think there is hunting allowed here, and there are deer everywhere, even in town. Significantly greater risk of hitting one with one's car than there was in MN, and I thought I was getting away from that risk in moving here. And when the wife and I drove up to the Olympic mountain range and visited Hurricane Ridge, there were deer that were very calmly walking around and grazing right up to the edge of the parking lot, and walking across it with impunity. One wonders what will keep the population from getting out of hand. Brian - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it is none of their business either. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 It is also illegal to release here and legal purchase is very difficult. There are two parts houses in town that still sell R12 the last time I purchased R12, I had to show my refrigeration license my business license. Even then, they asked what I was going to do with the R12 I stated that my Porsche was a little low (the truth). Now I buy from eBay resellers who are peddling the last of the old stock will be for a while. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/06/07 11:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Well yes there are still cars in Oz with R12 in the system but it is now unobtanium and releasing it into the atmosphere is against the law. Tom Hargrave wrote: Manufacturing new R12 has been banned in this country but there is still old stock around, plus re-cyclers are re-processing stock. It is legal to sell what is still in the system. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am probably going to trade in the 1990 300SEL (leaking headgasket) today for a 2001 Ford Expedition. I drove it home last night. I knew when my wife and I argued over who was going to get to drive it, that I would get it. It really is VERY nice. Ok, so it's a little big, but so am I. I can buy it pretty cheaply relative to its bluebook value and even with paying off the Benz, I will still have some built in equity. Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (soon to be traded) - Why don't you buy a GL320cdi? Better fuel mileage, better quality, and my daughter; who tried out all the SUVs; said the GL320cdi rides the best. I made a trip with her and I agree, it's a very good riding SUV. There is a long gaurantee and the dealer here will loan her a car to use when it's in for servicing or repairs. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
and Im sure I can find out just as much proof to the contrary. In other words, who knows. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Kaleb, Actually, there is proof that R12 damages the ozone layer the scientists understand exactly how the process occurs. They have even sampled found R12 in the stratosphere. R22 would also damage the ozone layer if it reached the straosphere but tests show that it does not. The issue is that UV breaks down R12, releasing chlorine atoms the chlorine reacts strongly with ozone. In other words, R12 does not do the damage by iteslf, it acts as a carrier that delivers chloring gas to the stratosphere. Now, global warming is another story. Tom www.kegkits.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi.
Larry, When I saw those pics of the bent compressor, with no safety chain around the spring and compressor, kind of sent a little chill down my spine. :-) Ed 300E On 07/09/2007, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what route I'll take but IAC I always put a heavy chain thru the chain and secure it tightly. But renting Rustys compressor is the way to go - I'm checking out the LCA, ball jt, etc to see what, if anything needs replacing - Agree with testing the shock Vs replacing - mine have ~140k on them and according to some that's way over the hill - replace and be done with it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi. You like gambling? LarryT wrote: Hmm... No, ... how big a deal will it be to use a standard spring compressor - using proper safety procedures of course. ?? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
yup, sell your 300sel to kleb for 200 bucks instead On 9/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it wont be worth very much in a couple of years. The value on those things drop like rocks. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] Time to trade I am probably going to trade in the 1990 300SEL (leaking headgasket) today for a 2001 Ford Expedition. I drove it home last night. I knew when my wife and I argued over who was going to get to drive it, that I would get it. It really is VERY nice. Ok, so it's a little big, but so am I. I can buy it pretty cheaply relative to its bluebook value and even with paying off the Benz, I will still have some built in equity. Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (soon to be traded) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
of course they need a tax number on a tax exempt sale. If you are paying tax, they dont need it. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Kaleb C. Striplin, work wrote: Well, all they are required to do is see your license to purchase refrigerant. They do not need a business license. What you do with it is none of their business either. Parts stores usually want my business (sales tax) license # before giving me a wholesale discount or sales tax waiver. They must have my tax license on file to waive the sales tax if I claim resale exemption from tax. I'm sure if I wanted them to order a keg of R12, they would want a photocopy of my EPA license. Nobody in my town has R12 of any size in stock anymore. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. R134 was adopted as a replacement from among many better alternatives because it was patentable and requires extensive maintenance and replacement of system components to remain even marginally effective. Oh Yeah, now refrigeration is much more highly taxed and regulated. Next it is going to be Help Help the UN needs to save us all by taxing and controlling any use of energy because the gas produced by all breathing life and any combustion has been reclassified as a pollutant. Help Help the polar bears are drowning. LMAO, Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Yes the real estate agent should have made him aware that the farmer uses chemicals to treat his crops. Then the purchaser could have made a informed decision. Then again, just about everyone knows that Farmers spray chemicals and if you buy a property next to a farm you have to put up with it unless the Framer uses non approved chemicals or uses them in an illegal manner. The use of pesticides is strictly controlled by the law but the Farmer is entitled to farm according to best industry practice. Tom Hargrave wrote: Or around here, someone (actually a friend) who purchased a nice house in a neighborhood that surrounded by cotton fields, only to discover that the chemicals sprayed on the cotton are complicating his Son's athsma. He's already complained to the farmer and passed a petition around the neighborhood to no avail. Now he has contacted a Lawyer wants to sue. So, he's going to hire a lawyer and force the farmer to hire a lawyer to defend himseld. My friend will probably go no-where with this but he will cost the farmer a lot of money time before it's done. See a problem with this? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Not quite the same, but I have an 02 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 and 4 wheel drive. It is a Lariat with most of the toys - leather seating etc. We love it. My wife does not like how big it is to drive it but she really likes riding in it because it is high and one can really see out of it. We had a Chevy Suburban for about 10 years and loved it as well. These big vehicles are very practical if you have to haul people or stuff. Just keep telling yourself that the extra gas money is being spent on life insurance. The 97 to 03 vintage of Ford trucks didn't score wonderful in crash tests. The 04 and up is better as they made the frame stronger. I think that the primary issue was frontal offset crashes tend to bend in the left front floor area and that can be hard on the driver's legs. However, all things considered, a bigger vehicle usually comes out ahead in most crashes. Size does matter! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Time to trade I am probably going to trade in the 1990 300SEL (leaking headgasket) today for a 2001 Ford Expedition. I drove it home last night. I knew when my wife and I argued over who was going to get to drive it, that I would get it. It really is VERY nice. Ok, so it's a little big, but so am I. I can buy it pretty cheaply relative to its bluebook value and even with paying off the Benz, I will still have some built in equity. Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (soon to be traded) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi.
Good news for a change., Looked closely at all the LCA bushings, Sway Bar, Shock, brake components and could not find anything wrong. I had changed the tie-rod assys a few weeks ago so they're definately not a problem. I couldn't find any play except for a little in the steering gear, but not much, just enough to make a little clink when going over a bump. All the ball joint dust covers were in good condition with no tears or leaking. Also, a few weeks ago I wrote about a roaring noise from my 78 240D - I'm pretty certain it was the hood pad hanging down and being hit by the fan. Trimmed it back until the new one arrives from Rusty. Finally! Nothing to worry about for a little while - Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions about what I should investigate - ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi. Not sure what route I'll take but IAC I always put a heavy chain thru the chain and secure it tightly. But renting Rustys compressor is the way to go - I'm checking out the LCA, ball jt, etc to see what, if anything needs replacing - Agree with testing the shock Vs replacing - mine have ~140k on them and according to some that's way over the hill - replace and be done with it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi. You like gambling? LarryT wrote: Hmm... No, ... how big a deal will it be to use a standard spring compressor - using proper safety procedures of course. ?? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion
paying me good money to spend several days at your house Luther On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a manual 240D with a I think a dead cylinder. I have a good euro 5 cyl engine which is auto. What would it take to drop the euro engine in place the 4 cylinder? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion
Thats cool. For some perverse reason I'm interested in a manual shift 3.0l. My 240D was only slightly underpowered for where I live, I figure a 3.0 would be plenty and for some perverse reason I like rowing the trans myself. Seems like autoboxes are always doing something thats not quite the way I'd like it... How much do you charge for a conversion like this? Did the customer want you to go over the 617 and trans before you put it in? I sure would. Figure to replace the main seals at least while its out. It'd stink to get it in there and develop a leak... -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:03:21 -0400 From: Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oops seems the links got chopped. Here are the corrected links: http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/HeitzsoDay1/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/HeitzsoDay2/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/HeitzsoDay3/index.htm On Sep 6, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: For those of you who may be interested, I just finished converting a w123 240d to a 240d 3.0. The m617 used was a Euro-spec motor originally set up for manual transmission (617.912.10.xx) and the chassis was a manual trans car thus making it a simple conversion. The original 240d motor threw what seems to be a wrist pin of all things after 289k miles (will know more once I tear it down). The project took three days from start to finish and came out seemlessly. This is the second of these that I have done and I love the end result. Really transforms the car! Here are photos of the conversion. http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/H...Day1/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/H...Day2/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/H...Day3/index.htm Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
On 9/7/07, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's sort of a backwards culture here, especially when compared to the mainstream mercedes culture. in the real world of montvale culture, my ex-wife's 92 300E with nearly 200k miles indicates that she is poor and a loser and needs to be treated with disdain and comtempt. in our world, this is kind of the cutting edge of modern cars, only to be driven by the adventuresome and we really know in our hearts that she needs to trade it for an 84 300D. Yup. To me any car less than 10 years old is essentially brand new, which means (a) I'm afraid to work on it because if I screw it up the dealer is going to ream me putting it right and (b) I have to wash and wax it every weekend so it keeps on looking nice. No thanks. But to normal people in my neighborhood a 10-year-old car isn't even worth selling---just donate it to Goodwill and let them haul it away. Actually, I'm glad that we're at the point in the cycle where 10-20 year old cars can be had for rock bottom prices, since they're too new to be collectible and too old to be daily drivers. I can finally afford all the cool cars I wanted when I was a kid (I'm 35). Still looking for the perfect 8-valve Saab 900 Turbo for under a grand, but I know it's out there. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hood Pads
Howdy - I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and one without a heatshield. Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield. While I don't mind extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine. But, if it will make the AC work easier I'll go for it - Comments? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
On 9/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies (rural Columbia County, Oregon for those who care) and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. Then my agent called the county records office and got info on zoning, land-use permits, recent applications for permits and zoning changes, etc. (Found out my neighbors are forbidden either to subdivide or log. They could farm, but don't. One neighbor has a lot of livestock, but he's downwind most of the time. I kind of like the smell of cow patties drying in the sun, anyway.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
Howdy - I'm no expert, but I suspect it's all about lawsuits. If a neighbor with problems finds out a RE agent is badmouthing him, I'd bet a lawyer would be knocking on his door in hopes of making a few $$s. It's hard to say things about people - public records are one thing - if you tell a potential buyer the neighbors are all serving long prison terms, since it's public record there's little to be done. But making comments based on innuendo, gossip and such will only get you in trouble.And, sometimes it's hard to seperate the truth from fiction. Some states have strict guidelones about what a REA can and cannot say. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of 58. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 97 to 03 vintage of Ford trucks didn't score wonderful in crash tests. The 04 and up is better as they made the frame stronger. I think that the primary issue was frontal offset crashes tend to bend in the left front floor area and that can be hard on the driver's legs. That's how our '02 F150 was totaled - hit by an A2 VW Golf that slid across the center line on a wet curvy road. And yes, the body did bend I could hardly get the door open afterwards to get out, and once I did it would not close. However, all things considered, a bigger vehicle usually comes out ahead in most crashes. Size does matter! Actually the woman driving the Golf was fine too. I think those are fairly sturdy cars. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
LarryT wrote: At last, the voice of Reality!! DuPont got the Ozone scare started when everybody and their brother was making it in garages and little factories all over the world. And DP didn;t get a penny from it - which was the whole problem. Now, as Bob so eloquently stated, DP has something protected by US foreign Patents which protects their bottom line. http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
At last, the voice of Reality!! DuPont got the Ozone scare started when everybody and their brother was making it in garages and little factories all over the world. And DP didn;t get a penny from it - which was the whole problem. Now, as Bob so eloquently stated, DP has something protected by US foreign Patents which protects their bottom line. Getting some environmentalist orgs to start marching waving flags so a big corp. will make more money is the ultimate irony! They started evaluating the ozone hole over antartica in the 80s and with such little historical data for someone to say the increased size is due to human intervention and not the natural way of things is absurd. All the global warming computerized predictions fails to take into account the effects of clouds and rain. Just think, billions and billions of $$s are being spent based on the computations of dozens of computer programs which often fail to predict a 12 snow storm that shows up the next morning on the porch! (happened 3 or 4 years ago here) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. R134 was adopted as a replacement from among many better alternatives because it was patentable and requires extensive maintenance and replacement of system components to remain even marginally effective. Oh Yeah, now refrigeration is much more highly taxed and regulated. Next it is going to be Help Help the UN needs to save us all by taxing and controlling any use of energy because the gas produced by all breathing life and any combustion has been reclassified as a pollutant. Help Help the polar bears are drowning. LMAO, Bob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps but not to worry, every word is probably a lie: The Arctic ice cap is melting faster than previously thought, and it will shrink 40 percent by 2050 in most regions, according to a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration study released yesterday and set for publication tomorrow in the journal *Geophysical Research Letters*. The study concluded that Arctic sea ice will retreat hundreds of miles farther from the coast of Alaska in the summer, opening up large areas of water for fisherman and giving easier access to new areas for oil and natural gas exploration. The melting will also likely cause an upheaval in species, bringing new predators to warmer waters and endangering those that depend on ice, the study said. NOAA oceanographer James Overland and agency meteorologist Muyin Wang based their calculations on the carbon dioxide that is in the atmosphere. That pollution will greatly diminish the ice by 2050, regardless of future curbs on emissions, Overland said. They also compared 20 climate change computer models with satellite observations of Arctic ice cover, discarding models that did not accurately track the ice cover for 20 years in the past while extending the accurate models to predict the ice melt by 2050. The amount of emissions we have already put out in the last 20 years will stay around for 40 to 50 years, Overland said. I'm afraid to say that a lot of impacts we will see in the next 30 to 40 years are pretty much already established. The rate of ice loss now is faster than what was depicted. This moves the threshold up (Doug Struck, *Washington Post*http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/06/AR2007090602499.html, Sept. 7). On 9/7/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of 58. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
i have what you might call serious issues of credit and employment that made it difficult for me to get financing, especially as i wanted to buy two houses near each other. one of our customer's dad specializes in getting minority loans and assured me that none of this is any issue at all as long as dad got a large sum of money at the end of the deal as banks are desperate to right loans to minorities and dad could just bundle me in with them. (sort of goes contrary to what we are told on tv, but that is a topic for another time) anyway, i met with his dad and we chatted and got along great and he agreed to get me the money even though i'm a white guy because his main interest in color is in the color of green anyway. and then he dumps on me, his new buddy, that his daughter happens to be a real estate agent and i should hire her to represent me. i figure this can't be too good, so i come up with any excuse off the top of my head (can't afford it, really would rather work alone, etc) but he kept on it and i really wasn't in a position to leave him not loving me, so i took up his offer. based on my contact with her and the seller's agent, i can say that i won't ever go near a real estate agent again. only people i've ever encountered who are sleazier and more dishonest are lawyers. used car salesmen are worlds better. buyer's agent -- yeah, right! the only person i had looking after my interests at all was my insane home inspector and that was for $350 an afternoon. other than that, i was completely on my own with everyone trying to spin my head every which way. On 9/7/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Oop, at first I thought you said Explorer, Explorers make me carsick which is wierd because no other vehicle makes me carsick... 5.4? That seems like an odd size but all the manufacturers have new line engines in odd sizes. Coil failure seems to be common to every manufacturer that uses the multiple coil thing, my Dad had a Chevy Tracker that had 'em and they actually corroded to death. Got 'em replaced under warrenty as an emissions item. I dunno, seems like a big step DOWN in cool factor, ease of driving and comfort to me. You know the EPA estimates are 11-15 mpg right? In my experience maintenance on a 4x4 is around 2x$ a 2wd. You've got a transfer case and front end that needs grease and fluid, more electronics, more expensive tires, etc... But if you like it then good luck to you! -Curt I'd like a 4wd Blazer with a 6.2l diesel, reasonable fuel economy, plenty of space, cool looks. Of course finding one that hasn't been eaten by the tin worm is a challenge. Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:42:08 -0500 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Time to trade To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am probably going to trade in the 1990 300SEL (leaking headgasket) today for a 2001 Ford Expedition. I drove it home last night. I knew when my wife and I argued over who was going to get to drive it, that I would get it. It really is VERY nice. Ok, so it's a little big, but so am I. I can buy it pretty cheaply relative to its bluebook value and even with paying off the Benz, I will still have some built in equity. Anyone know anything about these big SUV's (other than the fact that it gets terrible gas mileage)? It is 2001 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 4X4 with the 5.4 V8. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 140K (soon to be traded) - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion
Curt, See my pm to you. Mathieu On Sep 7, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Thats cool. For some perverse reason I'm interested in a manual shift 3.0l. My 240D was only slightly underpowered for where I live, I figure a 3.0 would be plenty and for some perverse reason I like rowing the trans myself. Seems like autoboxes are always doing something thats not quite the way I'd like it... How much do you charge for a conversion like this? Did the customer want you to go over the 617 and trans before you put it in? I sure would. Figure to replace the main seals at least while its out. It'd stink to get it in there and develop a leak... -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:03:21 -0400 From: Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oops seems the links got chopped. Here are the corrected links: http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/HeitzsoDay1/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/HeitzsoDay2/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/HeitzsoDay3/index.htm On Sep 6, 2007, at 5:01 PM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: For those of you who may be interested, I just finished converting a w123 240d to a 240d 3.0. The m617 used was a Euro-spec motor originally set up for manual transmission (617.912.10.xx) and the chassis was a manual trans car thus making it a simple conversion. The original 240d motor threw what seems to be a wrist pin of all things after 289k miles (will know more once I tear it down). The project took three days from start to finish and came out seemlessly. This is the second of these that I have done and I love the end result. Really transforms the car! Here are photos of the conversion. http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/H...Day1/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/H...Day2/index.htm http://www.oldworldauto.com/Images/H...Day3/index.htm Mathieu www.oldworldauto.com - Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: looking for the perfect 8-valve Saab 900 Turbo for under a grand, but I know it's out there. Except for the rearangement of the B engine into the H engine (belt drive water pump, cam driven distributor, etc) and the 1982-up knock sensor and computer managed waste gate, the 99 and 900 are mechanically identical, and the 99 weighs less. (oh, almost forgot, the 900 turbo could be had with a 5sp overdrive, which wasn't around when Saab sent 99s to USA) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
andrew strasfogel wrote: NOAA oceanographer James Overland and agency meteorologist Muyin Wang based their calculations on the carbon dioxide that is in the atmosphere. That pollution will greatly diminish the ice by 2050, regardless of future curbs on emissions, Overland said. That's not a 'study', it is more like circular logic. Take your assumptions, that small changes in CO2 levels cause global warming and that humans are and will continue to cause CO2 levels to increase, and then you can calculate a result which proves the point of your original assumptions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL??
Thats what I am wanting to know. I have seen these deals on ebay complete with laptop etc for 4k or more. If I can get software to run on my laptop and whatever cable is needed, thats what I would like to do. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Manuals for 1990 300 SL?? On 9/6/07, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Computers are fine and rarely fail. Senders rarely fail, although I did have a right side knock sensor that was bad when I got the car. Wiring harness's are shit on the 1992-1995 S-Class. Ya'd think that for what they charged for the thing when new the wiring wouldn't deteriorate. Jim I'm still wondering where you get the software to run on the laptop to interrogate the codes (rather than count flashes) and the adapter needed, how much it costs, and whether it's a better deal than a Snap-On 2500 (which I've been eyeing as a way to scan all my pre-OBD2 cars with one box). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
On 9/7/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: looking for the perfect 8-valve Saab 900 Turbo for under a grand, but I know it's out there. Except for the rearangement of the B engine into the H engine (belt drive water pump, cam driven distributor, etc) and the 1982-up knock sensor and computer managed waste gate, the 99 and 900 are mechanically identical, and the 99 weighs less. (oh, almost forgot, the 900 turbo could be had with a 5sp overdrive, which wasn't around when Saab sent 99s to USA) Yeah, I like the 900 styling better though. When did the B to H changeover take place? I had an '80 900 non-turbo a while back which I thought had a shaft-drive water pump. That's the car I'd like to have back... except a turbo with the weird Aztec-sun-pattern wheels. But were there 5-speeds available then? My 900 had a 4-speed manual with a very widely spaced, decidedly unsporting selection of ratios. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
let me clarify, around here, there really are no buyers agents. There are agents that sell somebody a house who may or may not have it listed themselves, but they are most of the time a transaction broker, which means they are working for the good of the transaction. In any case, the realtor cant tell a buyer hey watch out, there is a crack house next door. It IS the job of the realtor at the buyers request to research zoning and things like that though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
there is no such thing, dude. only agent's agents On 9/7/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [MBZ[ 560 back on the road, almost . Cleaning fuel injectors
And to think I believed he was fussing at me with the remark about hitting delete for telling him he didn't need to dismiss my interest as unworthy of discussion!! Actually, a hypothetical person may have been taught by his mother he has the right to be as rude and disagreeable as he wishes, and others can like it or lump it, but I doubt that actually happened. I'll bet that hypothetical person's mother would not approve. Q: When you throw a rock in amongst a bunch of dogs, which one will yelp? A: The one you hit. - Paraphrased from Mark Twain, in Huckleberry Finn. Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 00:59:00 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote What part of my post do you interpret as me being upset with your choice to change your injectors? lol. I wish I was a good enough mechanic to be 100% sure of everything I touched before I made a decission as to what to do, but I have no problem saying I'm not that good. There are lots of inefficiency with an older car. My benz has 340,000 kms on it, so I doubt very much the trans, rings, brakes, or most other things are working at 80-90% effiency. But that's not really the point, is it? Now, if you are 100% sure your injectors are worn, demand 100% efficiency, then how could I argue buying new is not the right thing for you to do, both in terms of mechanical efficiency, and cost? Like everyone, I throw out my ideas based on my own experiences, but please don't think that if my thoughs differ from yours, I'm in anyway bothered or upset, or that I'm trying to convince you or anyone else that my way is the only way. I can assure you, I could care less what choices you or anyone else makes when it comes to servicing or repairing your car. Drive it into the ground, or change the engine along with the oil every 5000 kms. I mean really, what more do you want me to say on the subject? Perhaps it is you who is trying to convince me that I need to change my injectors? You may be best served by taking your own advise, and in future, when you see my name attached to a post, just hit delete. Ed 300E On 06/09/07, Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that they wear and once worn cannot be rebuild to new standards. IF you know 100% that the problem with the nozzles is a build up of crud, then yeah cleaning them is a viable solution (whether at home or professionally). However in order to determine if they are still serviceable, they have to be cleaned. OK so you spend an afternoon cleaning them, now what? Do you have a set up to determine the spray? I know I don't and therefore the most economical solution for me is replacement. Let's say that they where operating at 60% efficiency and after cleaning they are at 80-90%, then there is still that inefficiency that can only be fixed with replacing. Also remember, instead of getting all upset because someone says something you don't want to hear, why don't you just hit the delete button. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. I did my investigating first, then made a low-ball offer direct to the listing agent with no contingencies. My thought was that the listing agent would like to get the whole commission, and it would put him on my side. Wrong, the sellers had to pick the one realtor who knew what fiduciary duty meant. He tried to talk them into waiting for a full price offer. Fortunately, the sellers wanted my cash, and the fact that I was willing to close next week got me the deal, slightly above my offer. Looking back at it, there were some parts of the deal that would have been smoother if I had a buyer's agent, and I had some clients who would have liked to pick up half of the commission. The realtor may have been wrong in his advice, the lot next door is still for sale 6 months later. It's smaller, much less frontage (150' vs 740'), and the same price mine was listed for. I'd love for the lot next door to stay vacant, but that's just wishful thinking. When it comes to crop spraying, the part that bothers me is when I'm cycling down the road and somebody is spraying upwind. In a car, I can shut off the vents, hold my breath, and then air out the car a mile later before I start breathing (and then wash the car ASAP to avoid paint damage). On a bike, it's hard to hold my breath for 30 seconds, and that doesn't get me far at 15-20mph. Never lived where spraying was a problem, but the last house we built for my parents was within 300 yards of a hog barn. The neighbor no longer raises hogs, but I can't imagine complaining if he started again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads
Craig McCluskey wrote: I think the one with the heat shield is for turbo cars and the one without is for naturally aspirated cars. Right. I don't think the foam would last very long on a turbo car without the foil shield if you keep up with your Italian tuneups. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:07:57 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy - I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and one without a heatshield. Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield. While I don't mind extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine. But, if it will make the AC work easier I'll go for it - I think the one with the heat shield is for turbo cars and the one without is for naturally aspirated cars. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
exactly --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Kaleb wrote: I know it wont be worth very much in a couple of years. The value on those things drop like rocks. Thanks for the encouraging words, Kaleb. I know that I am paying three grand less than the NADA book value for it. So, hopefully the drop in price will slow down. Besides, I don't know of many American made cars that don't depreciate pretty quickly. One of the attorneys in our office said he had a hard time finding an Expedition with the 5.4 AND 4X4 AND the factory towing package. He found a lot with one of two of those features, but not all three. He finally found one, but he had to buy a 1997 model at the car auction. Apparently, these are real beasts for pulling a boat. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi.
I know what you mean - it's so easy to get seriously hurt/killed without doing something stupid to increase the risk. My spring compressor is probably much like the one that was bent. Scary stuff. Fortunately, for now at least, none of my suspension components look like they need anything - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi. Larry, When I saw those pics of the bent compressor, with no safety chain around the spring and compressor, kind of sent a little chill down my spine. :-) Ed 300E On 07/09/2007, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what route I'll take but IAC I always put a heavy chain thru the chain and secure it tightly. But renting Rustys compressor is the way to go - I'm checking out the LCA, ball jt, etc to see what, if anything needs replacing - Agree with testing the shock Vs replacing - mine have ~140k on them and according to some that's way over the hill - replace and be done with it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ball Joints W124 '91 300D 2.5 ~140k mi. You like gambling? LarryT wrote: Hmm... No, ... how big a deal will it be to use a standard spring compressor - using proper safety procedures of course. ?? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
archer wrote: Why don't you buy a GL320cdi? You can't get a G wagon for $8k. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion
Bill The 500 would be a better choice given the fact that your mechanic has already worked on them. The 600 engine is entirely different. Try to get something 1996 or newer otherwise you will be replacing harness's. James -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion Thanks for the correction James. I have not been there in about three years and the memory just wasn't working. When you come off the bridge onto Big Pine in the early morning the area is full of the little critters. Thus far I have been spared any personal contact with the Iguanas. I note you have several of the mid '90's 500 - 600's. For one who does only the barest mechanical work, I have been thinking that first, Don's 300SEL might be the best choice, but if I don't do that one and my disability suit eventually comes thru I have been interested in a 500 or even a 600 sedan. I have a decent mechanic who is honest, but still $80 an hour. Thoughts? He works on 500's, but doesn't have any customers who have a 600. It would be used almost exclusively for my wife to take to work - about 15 miles, and would be the car of choice for our Friday night date. Too low gas mileage for much else. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 294k miles -Original Message- From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 6, 2007 11:15 AM To: 'billr' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion The Key Deer are on No Name Key and Big Pine Key where the National Key Deer Refuge is. Iguanas on the other hand are everywhere and some are monster huge! Saw one in a tree from 20 yards, it had a head as large as a man's. James Zavesky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of billr Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion To chime in on deer populations, one of the lower FL Keys [Summerland?] has Key Deer. Very cute and pretty tame - about the size of a medium dog [but probably would taste better ..]. It is illegal to fence them out, or drive over 45 day or 25 mph at night where they frequent [including as stretch of US 1]. If you want to find some angry home owners chat with residents who can't grow gardens or many ornamental plants except as deer fodder. One of mom's friends had a remote control gate installed for security reasons and is not allowed to close it as it would keep the deer out of her gardens. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 294k miles -Original Message- From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 6, 2007 9:46 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion Someone needs to invent a gatling-bow haul a truck load home Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:32 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion That one is easy, they starve or another predator emerges. I'm from Portland, Maine and several of the islands in the bay have problems with deer. In recent times every couple years they have a limited archery hunt to reduce population. Its interesting how greenie weenies will line up to have you sit on their back porch and bag the garden destroyers... -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:48:47 -0700 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have wanted to mention something, but not until now has the subject come close enough to what I want to metion: We live on an island here in WA. I am wondering how animals on an island avoid the problems that come with a limited gene pool. I mean, I don't picture any deer swimming across the sound to diversify the gene pool. Also, I can add to the discussion of an over protection of animals leading to their overpopulation, etc. I don't think there is hunting allowed here, and there are deer everywhere, even in town. Significantly greater risk of hitting one with one's car than there was in MN, and I thought I was getting away from that risk in moving here. And when the wife and I drove up to the Olympic mountain range and visited Hurricane Ridge, there were deer that were very calmly walking around and grazing right up to the edge of the parking lot, and walking across it with impunity. One wonders what will keep the
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yeah, I like the 900 styling better though. When did the B to H changeover take place? I had an '80 900 non-turbo a while back which I thought had a shaft-drive water pump. That's the car I'd like to have back... except a turbo with the weird Aztec-sun-pattern wheels. But were there 5-speeds available then? My 900 had a 4-speed manual with a very widely spaced, decidedly unsporting selection of ratios. IIRC, the H engine came out in '81, and the APC turbo in '82. Can't remember when the 5sp came out, but I'm pretty sure it predated the 16v head which came out in '84 or '85. I thought the gear spacing was ok on the 4sp, my '77 99EMS had good power from 3k to 7k and weighed 2400lb. The turbo had better bottom end grunt, although with a bit of lag. My boss always drove 4sp Saabs as 3 speeds, 1-2-4 was his shift pattern. All I minded was turning 3500 rpm at 60 mph in top gear, that's even worse than my 190E. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Donald Snook wrote: One of the attorneys in our office said he had a hard time finding an Expedition with the 5.4 AND 4X4 AND the factory towing package. The 7.3L turbo almost always has the towing package. (or was that the Excursion?) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Allan Streib wrote: Hope you have a big budget for gasoline. I am prepared for 14 mpg. The previous owner claimed 16-17 mpg. The funny thing is I really don't drive that much. I realized a couple of days ago that it had been 4 and half months since I had my oil changed and I had just clicked over 3000 miles. So, yes, 15 mpg will hurt, but I only filled up 1-2 times per month with the benz. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Spend money?
Well geez Alex I had a running example that just needed a clutch controller (there was some debate as to if it was a cable or hydralic system) for $300. I passed because it was totally rusty. Actually the thing that killed it was AC that just needed a recharge. It probably did, the compressor cycled but did it need it because of a gaping hole? Not something I wanted to mess with. -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:35:26 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spend money? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 SNIP Actually, I'm glad that we're at the point in the cycle where 10-20 year old cars can be had for rock bottom prices, since they're too new to be collectible and too old to be daily drivers. I can finally afford all the cool cars I wanted when I was a kid (I'm 35). Still looking for the perfect 8-valve Saab 900 Turbo for under a grand, but I know it's out there. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
yea, the glaziers are melting. Wonder why quite a few are expanding? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 Here's the latest news on the accelerated melting of the polar ice caps but not to worry, every word is probably a lie: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
yea, its best to not deal with the listing agent, although they like it because they get more commission. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. I did my investigating first, then made a low-ball offer direct to the listing agent with no contingencies. My thought was that the listing agent would like to get the whole commission, and it would put him on my side. Wrong, the sellers had to pick the one realtor who knew what fiduciary duty meant. He tried to talk them into waiting for a full price offer. Fortunately, the sellers wanted my cash, and the fact that I was willing to close next week got me the deal, slightly above my offer. Looking back at it, there were some parts of the deal that would have been smoother if I had a buyer's agent, and I had some clients who would have liked to pick up half of the commission. The realtor may have been wrong in his advice, the lot next door is still for sale 6 months later. It's smaller, much less frontage (150' vs 740'), and the same price mine was listed for. I'd love for the lot next door to stay vacant, but that's just wishful thinking. When it comes to crop spraying, the part that bothers me is when I'm cycling down the road and somebody is spraying upwind. In a car, I can shut off the vents, hold my breath, and then air out the car a mile later before I start breathing (and then wash the car ASAP to avoid paint damage). On a bike, it's hard to hold my breath for 30 seconds, and that doesn't get me far at 15-20mph. Never lived where spraying was a problem, but the last house we built for my parents was within 300 yards of a hog barn. The neighbor no longer raises hogs, but I can't imagine complaining if he started again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
The value on those things drop like rocks. My parents' '05 Chrysler TC minivan that cost $30k new is now worth, get ready for this, $14K! This is the price that I see similar units selling for, not the trade-in value which is probably somewhere around $9K-$10K. They'll have that thing until they die! I paid $1500 for my 300SD, and I'm sure that it's still worth that today even with the squeaky lower ball joint. I'm going to fix it up to be a nice daily driver, and it will take at least $1500 in repairs/restoration to do it. I could probably get $3000 out of it, but I'm not planning on selling it. Kevin in portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula, going in for the LBJ replacement on Monday 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6K miles, The Box ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion
What years are problems with the wiring harness on the 140? 94-95? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'billr' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion Bill The 500 would be a better choice given the fact that your mechanic has already worked on them. The 600 engine is entirely different. Try to get something 1996 or newer otherwise you will be replacing harness's. James ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/7/07 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of 58. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
But what would an 05 MB have cost new, and what would it be worth now? People buy or lease new vehicles because they don't want to worry about making repairs and want to be seen in a new vehicle. They don't generally buy new vehicles in order to save money. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Time to trade The value on those things drop like rocks. My parents' '05 Chrysler TC minivan that cost $30k new is now worth, get ready for this, $14K! This is the price that I see similar units selling for, not the trade-in value which is probably somewhere around $9K-$10K. They'll have that thing until they die! I paid $1500 for my 300SD, and I'm sure that it's still worth that today even with the squeaky lower ball joint. I'm going to fix it up to be a nice daily driver, and it will take at least $1500 in repairs/restoration to do it. I could probably get $3000 out of it, but I'm not planning on selling it. Kevin in portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula, going in for the LBJ replacement on Monday 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6K miles, The Box ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads
The heat shield isn't for keeping the sun out, it's for keeping the heat under the hood and the paint on your hood. It would be worth a few extra bucks for a little extra protection in the long run. --Robert LarryT wrote: Howdy - I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and one without a heatshield. Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield. While I don't mind extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine. But, if it will make the AC work easier I'll go for it - Comments? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Apparently, these are real beasts for pulling a boat. The 5.4L does have a lot of power. The 15 passenger '99 Ford van that our dragon boat team used last year had plenty of power, but it didn't get nearly the fuel mileage that the Sprinter got on this year's trip. Everyone in the van contributed $10, $100 for 10 people for 30 gallons that took us nearly 500 miles. It can't tow as much as an expedition though since it only has a 5000LB rating. I believe that the Expedition has a 7500LB rating. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, The Box ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hood Pads
Isn't it mostly for the extra turbo heat? Might be a bit mute if he's got a 240. Luther On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:54:19 -0500, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The heat shield isn't for keeping the sun out, it's for keeping the heat under the hood and the paint on your hood. It would be worth a few extra bucks for a little extra protection in the long run. --Robert LarryT wrote: Howdy - I need a hood pad for the '78 240D and noticed Rusty sells one with, and one without a heatshield. Living in Va I'm not sure I need the heatshield. While I don't mind extra protection, if the heatshield is only needed when traversing Africa in high summer, it might be a waste to put it on mine. But, if it will make the AC work easier I'll go for it - Comments? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Heh, you're dreaming, especially if you don't drive much highway. I suspect if you put it on the highway and can keep your speed down you MIGHT get 15mpg. Around town I suspect 11mpg is only for those who can keep from using the power, that 5.4 must put out 250hp or more... -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:45:07 -0500 From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Time to trade To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Allan Streib wrote: Hope you have a big budget for gasoline. I am prepared for 14 mpg. The previous owner claimed 16-17 mpg. The funny thing is I really don't drive that much. I realized a couple of days ago that it had been 4 and half months since I had my oil changed and I had just clicked over 3000 miles. So, yes, 15 mpg will hurt, but I only filled up 1-2 times per month with the benz. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition - Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Again, my truck is a bit different than what you are looking at. It is a Supercrew rather than an Expedition so there will be some difference I am sure. They Expedition might be more aerodymanic given I have the open box on the back but the Expedition is probably heavier given the metal in the back part. I know my Suburban felt heavier in the back end that my pickup truck did back when I had it. I have tracked my mileage fairly carefully. I had a low of 9.12 in town in January and a high of 17.9 on the highway in June. My average over a longer period is 13.68. These are conversion numbers. I normally convert liters and kilometers to miles and Imperial gallons. I've done the extra conversion to US gallons for this response. Load does not seem to make a big difference, but speed does. If I run 65 mph I do quite a bit better than I do if I run 75 mph. It likes to run along at 80 mph so hard to keep it slowed down without using the cruise control. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Time to trade Allan Streib wrote: Hope you have a big budget for gasoline. I am prepared for 14 mpg. The previous owner claimed 16-17 mpg. The funny thing is I really don't drive that much. I realized a couple of days ago that it had been 4 and half months since I had my oil changed and I had just clicked over 3000 miles. So, yes, 15 mpg will hurt, but I only filled up 1-2 times per month with the benz. Donald H. Snook 2001 Ford Expedition ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Our F150 SuperCrew had the smaller Triton V8 (4.6 l I think) and we were lucky to get 15 or 16 MPG in town. Sometimes we got less. It would achieve 20 mpg or so on the highway. Allan R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again, my truck is a bit different than what you are looking at. It is a Supercrew rather than an Expedition so there will be some difference I am sure. They Expedition might be more aerodymanic given I have the open box on the back but the Expedition is probably heavier given the metal in the back part. I know my Suburban felt heavier in the back end that my pickup truck did back when I had it. I have tracked my mileage fairly carefully. I had a low of 9.12 in town in January and a high of 17.9 on the highway in June. My average over a longer period is 13.68. These are conversion numbers. I normally convert liters and kilometers to miles and Imperial gallons. I've done the extra conversion to US gallons for this response. Load does not seem to make a big difference, but speed does. If I run 65 mph I do quite a bit better than I do if I run 75 mph. It likes to run along at 80 mph so hard to keep it slowed down without using the cruise control. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Kaleb - I thought that I heard that the Northern areas are receding and the south pole is expanding. Barry yea, the glaziers are melting. Wonder why quite a few are expanding? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Interesting. We also have a 98 F150 4X4 shortbox regular cab with the 4.2 V6 and a manual 5 speed. It only does marginally better than the 5.4. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Time to trade Our F150 SuperCrew had the smaller Triton V8 (4.6 l I think) and we were lucky to get 15 or 16 MPG in town. Sometimes we got less. It would achieve 20 mpg or so on the highway. Allan R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again, my truck is a bit different than what you are looking at. It is a Supercrew rather than an Expedition so there will be some difference I am sure. They Expedition might be more aerodymanic given I have the open box on the back but the Expedition is probably heavier given the metal in the back part. I know my Suburban felt heavier in the back end that my pickup truck did back when I had it. I have tracked my mileage fairly carefully. I had a low of 9.12 in town in January and a high of 17.9 on the highway in June. My average over a longer period is 13.68. These are conversion numbers. I normally convert liters and kilometers to miles and Imperial gallons. I've done the extra conversion to US gallons for this response. Load does not seem to make a big difference, but speed does. If I run 65 mph I do quite a bit better than I do if I run 75 mph. It likes to run along at 80 mph so hard to keep it slowed down without using the cruise control. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
good for you. 85% of FSBO sales happen between people who already know each other. Most of the houses that are FSBO never sell. In a transaction as big as buying or selling a house, it is VERY foolish NOT to have a realtor. You were lucky everything worked out great. Where would your protection be if something went south? With a realtor, you have the backing of their broker and legal protection. Anybody who has the opinion that realtors are worthless have only dealt with worthless realtors. Get a good one and you will see the difference --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
You can always sue the Realtor if you are unhappy! It has to be someone else's fault right? You couldn't have screwed up yourself. Realtor's have insurance! (I'm a lawyer. How can you tell I have a client who is unhappy with her Realtor? ) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers good for you. 85% of FSBO sales happen between people who already know each other. Most of the houses that are FSBO never sell. In a transaction as big as buying or selling a house, it is VERY foolish NOT to have a realtor. You were lucky everything worked out great. Where would your protection be if something went south? With a realtor, you have the backing of their broker and legal protection. Anybody who has the opinion that realtors are worthless have only dealt with worthless realtors. Get a good one and you will see the difference --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Had I only known...
you, dear roger, seem to fall into no man's land. both we and montvale probably see you as insane for keeping a car for seven years. your plan is a loser on all fronts.. Don't call me dear. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
Frods suck gas, among other things --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Time to trade Our F150 SuperCrew had the smaller Triton V8 (4.6 l I think) and we were lucky to get 15 or 16 MPG in town. Sometimes we got less. It would achieve 20 mpg or so on the highway. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coil packs
They have a coil-on-plug setup where there is a separate coil for each spark plug. In my experience these are prone to failure (well, think about it, you have 8 coils, thus the failure probability of one coil is multiplied by 8) Maybe onna Ford. My 112 V6 has 12 plugs and six double coil packs and when I take the car to the do-it-yourself car wash twice yearly, I wash them all down thoroughly with the hot soapy water. Including the alternator and exhaust manifolds, too. Hot. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coil packs
I'm told that there are some sort of spark plug boots attached to the coil packs over the spark plugs. I'm told that it is a good idea to order new boots and put them on when changing sparkplugs on the Triton Ford motors. If the boot cracks and leaks, the engine will miss and people think it is the coil. Boots are cheaper than coils. While we are off on this Ford line, does anyone have experience with a good place to buy genuine Ford parts online at a good price? I'm doing it with Toyota parts and assume there is likely somewhere that would do the same with other brands. The local dealer is not about to cut his profit on parts and I do like original equipment for many purposes. Randy -Original Message- Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coil packs They have a coil-on-plug setup where there is a separate coil for each spark plug. In my experience these are prone to failure (well, think about it, you have 8 coils, thus the failure probability of one coil is multiplied by 8) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sp?
yea, the glaziers are melting. Wonder why quite a few are expanding? Those in Phoenix, probably. Expanding because of too much fast food? Oh, you meant glaciers. Never mind. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] was Coil packs now ford parts
http://www.tascavolvoparts.com/ http://www.fordpartsonline.com/ https://www.1stfordparts.com/ All basically the same parts list, sometimes one or the other will not have something listed or prices can be different Depending on what vehicle you're needing parts for , I have a few more. ---Robert R A Bennell wrote: While we are off on this Ford line, does anyone have experience with a good place to buy genuine Ford parts online at a good price? I'm doing it with Toyota parts and assume there is likely somewhere that would do the same with other brands. The local dealer is not about to cut his profit on parts and I do like original equipment for many purposes. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coil packs
On 9/7/07, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we are off on this Ford line, does anyone have experience with a good place to buy genuine Ford parts online at a good price? I'm doing it with Toyota parts and assume there is likely somewhere that would do the same with other brands. The local dealer is not about to cut his profit on parts and I do like original equipment for many purposes. I like rockauto.com for American car parts. For most parts you get a list of various aftermarket suppliers or original (Motorcraft = Ford, right?) and can make your choice of price vs. dubious made-in-China fitment individually depending on the part type. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion
1992-1995 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion What years are problems with the wiring harness on the 140? 94-95? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'billr' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion Bill The 500 would be a better choice given the fact that your mechanic has already worked on them. The 600 engine is entirely different. Try to get something 1996 or newer otherwise you will be replacing harness's. James ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coil packs
R A Bennell wrote: While we are off on this Ford line, does anyone have experience with a good place to buy genuine Ford parts online at a good price? I'm doing it with Toyota parts and assume there is likely somewhere that would do the same with other brands. The local dealer is not about to cut his profit on parts and I do like original equipment for many purposes. I don't know personally since my Ford Ranger (Mazda pickup) has been so reliable I don't need to order much, but I think the folks at the below forum have some opinions. The Ranger people there are very helpful :) http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Looking for audio guy
Question: Are there any audio engineers or technicians on this group? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for audio guy
archer wrote: Question: Are there any audio engineers or technicians on this group? Whatever happened to Jaime? Did he sell his Benz, or just drop off the list? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for audio guy
On 9/7/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: archer wrote: Question: Are there any audio engineers or technicians on this group? Whatever happened to Jaime? Did he sell his Benz, or just drop off the list? Kopchinski? I wonder that too. His web site http://www.jaimekop.com/ hasn't been updated in years. (Still good reading, though, especially his story of going to fetch the brakeless Saab 96). Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Looking for audio guy
Well I worked for Ericsson for 2-3 years as an audio engineer, but I am no means an audiophile... My former training is signal processing, electrical engineering, computer engineering, and so in statistics and classifier design. My passion is embedded system design and rapid prototyping of electronic gadgets. The last one I just finished was a microphone array. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 5:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Looking for audio guy Question: Are there any audio engineers or technicians on this group? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 140 300SD
Who here has one of these things? What kind if mileage do you get? Fuel economy.gov says the older ones get like 19-22 mpg, the 94 gets 21-26 iirc? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] here's a mac crackhead for you
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Re: [MBZ] was Coil packs now ford parts
you at least have to give ford credit for using MB coolant. is GM still pushing that nasty cheap dexcool garbage? On 9/7/07, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tascavolvoparts.com/ http://www.fordpartsonline.com/ https://www.1stfordparts.com/ All basically the same parts list, sometimes one or the other will not have something listed or prices can be different Depending on what vehicle you're needing parts for , I have a few more. ---Robert R A Bennell wrote: While we are off on this Ford line, does anyone have experience with a good place to buy genuine Ford parts online at a good price? I'm doing it with Toyota parts and assume there is likely somewhere that would do the same with other brands. The local dealer is not about to cut his profit on parts and I do like original equipment for many purposes. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to read this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/07/07 02:36 PM To: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/7/07 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of 58. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
yep, thats a whole different deal. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On 9/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies (rural Columbia County, Oregon for those who care) and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. Then my agent called the county records office and got info on zoning, land-use permits, recent applications for permits and zoning changes, etc. (Found out my neighbors are forbidden either to subdivide or log. They could farm, but don't. One neighbor has a lot of livestock, but he's downwind most of the time. I kind of like the smell of cow patties drying in the sun, anyway.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
I am not saying it does or doesnt, I am only saying there is. or was, not enough evidence that it does. As for wikipedia, you cant believe everything you read there. Tom Hargrave wrote: Anyone who does not believe that R12 is bad for the ozone layer needs to read this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/07/07 02:36 PM To: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/7/07 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of 58. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found the problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a patent on... Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:31 PM To: 'Craig McCluskey'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 The scientists don't understand why either but they do measue traces of R12 in the stratosphere. The other issue is that the free chlorine acts as a catalyst to break down ozone. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 9/7/07 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12 On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0500 Bob DuPuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pablum eater and kool aide drinkers crack me up. Ozone is continually created in the upper atmosphere in vast quantities by sunlight acting on the gases present. It is the height of hubris to think mans puny efforts even if they were intentional could have a significant effect. R12 was banned after very little evidence was gathered because it was too easy to produce and too efficient in doing its job to be profitable any more. I'm not sure the state of all research into this topic, but I've always wondered how carbon tetrachloride (freon) with a molecular weight of 152 would be more prevalent in the upper atmosphere than the vastly more available sodium chloride (in sea water) which has a molecular weight of 58. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
actually, that is not true either, that is, well, I guess, an urban legend of sorts. Trampas wrote: What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found the problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a patent on... Trampas -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fix or Sell? killer R12
Trampas wrote: What happened is Dupont's patent expired then the scientists found the problem. Luckly Dupont had the solution in R134 which they have a patent on... http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion
Are the flex plates on the auto 617s realy balanced with the crank, etc.? Doesn't seem like it has that much mass, and would be close to balanced out of the box. Now I konw that when I had a V8 balanced in the early '70s, they wanted EVERYTHING that was attached to the crank. The couple of flex plates that I've handled showed no signs of having been balanced - though the sample is only three or four. I did swap a good auto 615 engine into a manual 115 once - worried about balancing the flywheel to the new engine (I think the manual even said to do it), but never saw or felt any vibration nor the effects of same in the next 150,000 miles. The chassis rusted away first. On 9/7/07, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig, Just because you got lucky does not mean that all m617s will not require the flywheel to be match balanced. Each motor is different and MUST be handled on a case by case basis. A good machinist typically charges under $150 to match the balancing, sometimes even far less than that. Is the integrity of your main bearings and the other internals really worth scrimping by such a small amount? The old saying penny wise and pound foolish seems to apply here. Mathieu -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240d 3.0 conversion
Flywheel, not flex plate. The flex plate is pretty much insignificant, but a Benz flywheel is not. Peter On Sep 7, 2007, at 7:36 PM, OK Don wrote: Are the flex plates on the auto 617s realy balanced with the crank, etc.? Doesn't seem like it has that much mass, and would be close to balanced out of the box. Now I konw that when I had a V8 balanced in the early '70s, they wanted EVERYTHING that was attached to the crank. The couple of flex plates that I've handled showed no signs of having been balanced - though the sample is only three or four. I did swap a good auto 615 engine into a manual 115 once - worried about balancing the flywheel to the new engine (I think the manual even said to do it), but never saw or felt any vibration nor the effects of same in the next 150,000 miles. The chassis rusted away first. On 9/7/07, Mathieu J. Cama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig, Just because you got lucky does not mean that all m617s will not require the flywheel to be match balanced. Each motor is different and MUST be handled on a case by case basis. A good machinist typically charges under $150 to match the balancing, sometimes even far less than that. Is the integrity of your main bearings and the other internals really worth scrimping by such a small amount? The old saying penny wise and pound foolish seems to apply here. Mathieu -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Time to trade
I can't imagine moving from an S class to a Frod and being happy On 9/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frods suck gas, among other things -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)
The hemi Cuda was much more aerodynamic than the Charger, which was more like a brick in wheels Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:11 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) I've done 140 in a '70 hemi Cuda convertible, whoa Nellie! That was a ride. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp struggled to do 140 Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA 400 before it opened in 1973. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast. It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on wheels. Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story included from the star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed, those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an interesting feeling :-) If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't care, not because the 6.9 is some super car. I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it didn't help him sell the thing. -Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO)
I remember one that CarDriver did a few years ago where they sponsored Gale Banks to make a Firebird do 200. It took lots of tweaking with a twin turbo V8 just to do 190. I seem to remember that engine made somewhere around 800hp Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) I have a vague recollection that one of the car mags - HotRod or Car Craft type publication - got a newer Firebird to around 200 mph but it took a whole lot of messaging and effort. It is not as easy as it might appear. Isn't there some sort of on road race accross the dessert in Nevada - legal or otherwise - where folks just drive flat out. I think that is what the magazine was participating in. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:04 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) Now thats more realistic. I remember my 68 RT Charger with a 383 and 430hp struggled to do 140 Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 9:53 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) My '68 topped out at 130mph. I did it one night racing a 72 Corvette on GA 400 before it opened in 1973. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta (now GTO) You must be kidding, even with 360hp the 68 GTO could never go that fast. It was a pretty quick car, but technically you take into consideration wind drag, weight and actual gearing of the car and you have a brick on wheels. Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Decent 6.9 in Atlanta Not a bad looking car, but that silly little story included from the star is pure fiction. Anyone who's ever owned a '68 GTO ( present company included ) knows that 120 is just a nice mild cruising speed, those beasts don't even start breathing hard till around 180...that's when it's time to use the last third of the gas pedal travel. We used to have a lot of fun with that car out on a dry lake. 220mph+ is an interesting feeling :-) If they passed a GTO at 120 it's because the guy in the goat didn't care, not because the 6.9 is some super car. I wonder why he included that little snippet in his ad? I guess it didn't help him sell the thing. -Robert ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 300SD
Friend of mine has one. He says he gets 25, no matter what. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
