Re: [MBZ] Sticky clutch W123

2008-04-19 Thread Hendrik Fay
I gave the bore a quick once over with some 1000 grit wet and dry but it looked pretty good. Hendrik Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:10:47 +0930 Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My thinking here is to remove the slave cylinder and either give the piston seal a bit

[MBZ] Removing rear flange 722.4

2008-04-19 Thread Hendrik Fay
I seem to remember that recently there was a discussion about removing the rear flange on an MB box, I gotta do a 722.4 to enable me to swap boxes between my Mum's 190E and my 230E. What was the outcome? Hendrik who hit a bit of a hurdle ___

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Robert Rentfro wrote: Also, are these the ones with the single chain/double chain issue? I think it was fixed by 1985. What's reasonable labor for the oil pan? 5 hours, 6 hours? We need to get Marshall's fiance on the list, she could look up the labor time in one of his books. I'm not even

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Also, are these the ones with the single chain/double chain issue? Nope, those were corrected in '84. (As have many of the earlier ones, one at a time.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
I'm not even sure which CIS system was on the 1985 380, but the It's one of the CIS-E systems. Definitely has an O2 sensor. simplest thing would be an O2 sensor. At least the bozos who made the estimate admit they can't fix it, so they just want to replace everything. I guess that's better

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
And what, historically, causes those to run rich? The warmup regulator is often a troublesome unit. Fortunately you can test it if you have the right fuel pressure gauge test rig. (There's a spec for what the CIS control pressure should be from cold start to warm running.) The cold-start

Re: [MBZ] sl #2log

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Thanks Jim.. I suppose that I should be looking for 76 and prior is there any in that time frame that have hydraulic lifters or are they all solids? 76 has hydraulic lifters, K-Jet (mechanical CIS, not the electronic D-Jet) and a manual HVAC. That's what makes it a particularly nice year

Re: [MBZ] sl #2log

2008-04-19 Thread LWB250
Wasn't the 75 the one of the years that the cats were those weird ones just in front of the firewall, and the underhood temps were such that the rubber in the engine compartment would deteriorate big-time? Dan --- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the idea of a 1975 450SL for the

Re: [MBZ] sl #2log

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Wasn't the 75 the one of the years that the cats were those weird ones just in front of the firewall, and the underhood temps were such that the rubber in the engine compartment would deteriorate big-time? Yep. 75 and 76 IIRC. They're slung underneath the exhaust manifolds, which point

Re: [MBZ] sl #2log

2008-04-19 Thread LWB250
I recall this because when I first moved to FL I saw tons of 75 450SLs for sale and looked at a couple. I became educated very fast after looking at a few. The prices on the 75s were considerably lower than models before and after this year, I suspect due to the smog stuff. Dan --- Jim Cathey

[MBZ] Confused/Challenged again

2008-04-19 Thread Dave H...
Ok gang here is today's challenges. 92 300TE 4Matic. Rear passenger window just decided it would not go up (NEVER Been any type of challenge previously) Upon arriving home I went to the rear door window switch and could hear the motor running but no window movement. Then I heard a loud

Re: [MBZ] Confused/Challenged again

2008-04-19 Thread Jeff Zedic
On the 85 300 SD remove the ashtray and look for two phillips screws that are holding the console in..I think.been a long time. Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts

Re: [MBZ] I found a car, so its time to get serious

2008-04-19 Thread Donald Snook
John wrote: Is the Bonneville's fuel mileage that much better to justify selling the explorer and finding out all the new vehicle's problems? Yes, it is that much better. These cars will routinely get 28 mpg on the highway and approx. 20 in town. That is significantly better than the

Re: [MBZ] I found a car, so its time to get serious

2008-04-19 Thread Donald Snook
Randy wrote: Unless I am blind, you never say what year the Explorer is. Oh sorry. It is a 1997. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Record profits? Tell us what the difference is between a profit and a profit margin. Luther wrote: I believe in the free market, but does it really work? Take a look at the fuel industry. Record prices AND record profits... That's not free market... Luther On Thu, 17 Apr 2008

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: The warmup regulator is often a troublesome unit. Yep, the usual failure mode is that it sticks shut and runs the control pressure all the way up to system pressure. IIRC, that would make it run lean, not rich, but it's been a while since I did much CIS work (like 1989 or so),

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If you have a 401K, or just about any other retirement account, pension etc you are probably invested in an oil company. As for profits, the government makes FAR more off the sale of fuel than does the oil companies. Maybe they should give up some of their share? Rich Thomas wrote: I don't

Re: [MBZ] I found a car, so its time to get serious

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
It never makes sense to go out and buy a car just for better fuel mileage, unless you are going to be buying one anyway. John Robbins wrote: Is the Bonneville's fuel mileage that much better to justify selling the explorer and finding out all the new vehicle's problems? My $.02 John

Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D, 2.5 Turbo

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
There are many pros, no cons I can think of. They are probably the best cars MB ever made. Mine gets 33mpg, has plenty of power, drives very nice, no problems. If it really has 45k on it I would figure it would sell for 8k plus. Tom Harruff wrote: Listers I have found a 1992 300 D (2.5

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] I fill up the 140 with diesel today

2008-04-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Diesel fuel will drop later in the spring when the demand for home heating oil drops off for the summer. This is just the opposite of gas prices. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Im not sure how much it would cost, but the engine would either have to be pulled or the subframe dropped, either or, to replace the gasket. As for the injection, just needs proper diagnosis and service, could be any number of things. Robert Rentfro wrote: The wife has a work bud who just

Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D, 2.5 Turbo

2008-04-19 Thread Donald Snook
Tom wrote: I have found a 1992 300 D (2.5 Turbo) with 45,000 miles indicated in the ad. I used to have one of these (although it was a 1990); I sold it to Ok Don. I would really like another if that is any indication how good I think they are. Mine had 245,000 when I sold to Don. I think it

Re: [MBZ] Confused/Challenged again

2008-04-19 Thread Peter Frederick
To remove the door panel, unscrew the lock button, pull the trim and window switch out (the black plastic just pries out), remove the plastic trim around the door latch. Push the plastic bucket for the door latch forward to unhook it (I think, may be back, it's obvious), then pry the link

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no, only the 81-83 Robert Rentfro wrote: Also, are these the ones with the single chain/double chain issue? Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave H... Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Rich Thomas
Well you see, this kind of comment is confusing the oil-company bashers with the facts. When I was in college, a local pol ran for office. The opponent's only advertising consisted of repeated radio commercials of the guy saying (caught on tape at some event), Don't confuse me with the facts,

Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel vs. Gasoline

2008-04-19 Thread John Robbins
Hendrik Fay wrote: wait for the tow truck because our super dooper efficient cars have fried electronics but wait the tow truck is broken down too because the you beaut CDI engine is not working. How many vehicles with EFI are out there? They seem to be pretty reliable... Although I wasn't

[MBZ] Nevada Highway Patrol unveils unmarked big rigs

2008-04-19 Thread RELNGSON
That inconspicuous white 18-wheeler rumbling down the freeway could be bad=20 news for bad drivers. Inside might be a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper lookin= g=20 for speeders, unsafe lane changes, tailgaters or other aggressive or illegal= =20 driving. The NHP and the Nevada Department of

[MBZ] Antique 58 Mercedes Westfalia Camper, needs full restoration. CHEAP - $1100 (dover nh)

2008-04-19 Thread fred . star
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] I fill up the 140 with diesel today

2008-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
Its already starting to here, or rather both diesel and gas are rising but diesel is rising slower. We went from a peak where diesel was $1.10 more than gas (ugh) to $0.90 now. I've also noticed that we're changing back to summer fuel with its higher BTU content as I'm getting more miles per

Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D, 2.5 Turbo

2008-04-19 Thread Alex Chamberlain
The shark gills in the right front fender are the coolest, too. They signal immediately to the cognoscenti that you belong to the ultra-elite 124 diesel club. The '87 300D is rarer, but looks just like a 300E except for the badging. Alex Chamberlain no 2.5 Turbos *sigh*

Re: [MBZ] [Banned] I fill up the 140 with diesel today

2008-04-19 Thread LWB250
I already went out once today - Panera's for breakfast. Amazing how many old people are up early on a Saturday just to sit around and read the paper... Dan --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course its motorcycle day, I've got 3 right now, mine ('82 Honda CB900f) my wife's ('89

Re: [MBZ] Confused/Challenged again

2008-04-19 Thread LWB250
And be sure to put the plastic moisture barrier back where it was, and if it's shredded or missing, get some underlayment plastic from Home Despot or Lowe's and cut out a new one - never, ever, leave this out! Dan To remove the door panel, unscrew the lock button, pull the trim and window

Re: [MBZ] Confused/Challenged again

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
Any suggestions on where I should start determining why this rear center console vent is not working? You're on the right track. The vent knob at the back pulls on a Bowden cable that runs forwards to the actual flap that's under the dash. (The air is ducted back.) There's a joint in the

Re: [MBZ] Confused/Challenged again

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
And be sure to put the plastic moisture barrier back where it was, and if it's shredded or missing, get some underlayment plastic from Home Despot or Lowe's and cut out a new one - never, ever, leave this out! Hear, hear! (I can't count the number of these I've had to replace. Far more than

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Bill R
Tom, I don't think you have the whole picture on why we have so many Indian physicians in the US. No doubt some might come for primarily financial reasons, but the other quite important factor has to do with the desire to be more than a family physician. The bulk of the population might never

Re: [MBZ] Antique 58 Mercedes Westfalia Camper, needs full restoration. CHEAP - $1100 (dover nh)

2008-04-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
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Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread dave walton
Extending your logic a bit further, Traders do not set prices. They match sell orders with buy orders. Supply with demand. The market sets the price. If only it really worked like that -Dave Walton On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why

[MBZ] sl #2log

2008-04-19 Thread Glenn Brown
In the red rope folder I've got full of stuff relating to my '76 450SL, I've got RT Volume 37, Number 7 (March 1986 - Mercedes-Benz 560SL, There's no Substitute for Cubic Dollars); Volume 41, Number 4 (December 1989 - Bargain Exotics, Performance and Prestige in the Used-Car Market . . . 1972-1976

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Rich Thomas
A bit better explanation, but I'll bite - how does it really work? Dick Cheney's weekly oil-price setting conference call? Trilateral Commission? Chinese buyers/ Arab sellers and London/NY/HK traders? --R dave walton wrote: Extending your logic a bit further, Traders do not set prices.

Re: [MBZ] I found a car, so its time to get serious

2008-04-19 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: It never makes sense to go out and buy a car just for better fuel mileage, unless you are going to be buying one anyway. I am buying another car anyway, so I may as well get better fuel mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

[MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread hursley
List, I like to get your infinite wisdom on the air condition issue. Vehicle is '93, automatic and uses preimum gas (ouch). Not regular as stated in the owner's manual and filler flap. When the car is cold (meaning, the temperature in the coolant as from the guage is at or below 40C) and a/c

Re: [MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread OK Don
I had a similar problem with my 300SDL when I bought it - the AC would work fine until the engine hit 80C - running temp - then the AC just turned off. It took me about a year to finally trace it down to a dual element sensor on the block - one element was resistive to tell the engine idle speed

Re: [MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:29:24 -0400 hursley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vehicle is '93, automatic and uses preimum gas (ouch). Not regular as stated in the owner's manual and filler flap. Does it not run well on regular? If both the owner's manual and filler flap say it should, something is

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread LarryT
You wrote Traders do not set prices. Thank goodness you wrote that! I keep hearing people who should know better - like the talking heads for instance - blame high oil prices on sime mysterious oil traders who are pushing prices up. Jeepers (how's that for a curse word?) as you said, if ony

Re: [MBZ] I found a car, so its time to get serious

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
then you are doing the right thing. Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: It never makes sense to go out and buy a car just for better fuel mileage, unless you are going to be buying one anyway. I am buying another car anyway, so I may as well get better fuel mileage. Donald H. Snook

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread dave walton
Futures scare me. Options on Futures limit your risk, but are pricey. Nowdays I just work for a living and let the Mutual Funds sit. I do dabble here and there. AMD is interesting now. I did a stint as a desk trader in Jersey City, New Jersey many years ago, but that's a job for younger men - well

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread LarryT
You are totally correct! It can be very scarey. My problem was not having deep enough pockets to ride out a dip or bump in the prices - a few cents either way can wipe out thousands - of course there are ways to limit risk but the contract can be lost easily. Reading all the graphs

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote: Notice in all that you are *never* given the chance to tell the market what the price is *going* to be. Sure you can. It's called a limit order. For example, let's say you are willing to buy 1,000 barrels (42,000 gallons) of crude at $110 a barrel. You just place a limit buy

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: I bid $912 for a single June ZG (100oz gold), and watched the published bid rise from $911.80 to $912 and then a seller quickly hit my bid and the quoted bid dropped to 911.70 or something. By the time I could get a sell order entered, the bid was 911.30 and the offer was

[MBZ] OT: Motorcycles

2008-04-19 Thread Curt Raymond
It turns out my buddy's bike is a Suzuki SV 650 and is a super ride. The only issue is he dumped it last year and now it pulls slightly to the left. Its not a big deal but the tire scrubs badly... Anybody know anything about that sort of thing? The bike looks fine as near as I can tell... I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycles

2008-04-19 Thread Steve Bailey
Check to see if the forks are twisted in the triple trees. Often it's a case of loosening the top and bottom bolts of each fork, and then twisting the fork tube as required to align it back. You can use the fender mounts to locate the forks correctly. I am not familiar with this particular bike

[MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread Donald Snook
K.S. wrote: There is plenty of R12 in the system else the a/c will not produce cool air. There is no leak, and if so there will be no cool air when engine is started. The ambient temperature is in the high 70'sF. Is it possible that you put too much R12 in it? I think there is a sensor on

Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I really do not understand any of this really. So, where did you do this bidding? Did you actually make any money on it? Mitch Haley wrote: LarryT wrote: Notice in all that you are *never* given the chance to tell the market what the price is *going* to be. Sure you can. It's called a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycles

2008-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Bikes w/o stands are a pain. If you can stand it up somehow, take a 20' piece of string, wrap the middle of the string around the back edge of the rear wheel/tire, and tie the ends to something you can stand in front of the bike, like oil jugs or water filled milk cartons. Adjust the position of

[MBZ] Sightings

2008-04-19 Thread RELNGSON
Imagine my amazement when yesterday on a freeway on ramp I caught up to a white 1963 Citroen DS in what looked like original condition. Not only that, it was on Michelin X Stop Tread tires and had yellow bulb Marchal headlights. And today another rara avis, a beautifully cared for white 140

Re: [MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread hursley
Thanks all. I write the reply using . The general consensus is to check the sensor(s). OK Don wrote: rest snip Your situation isn't exactly like mine, and I have no idea how the 190E is wired, but I'd be looking for miss-wired or bad sensors - there are several that are meant to prevent engine

Re: [MBZ] OT: was McCain, now commodities trading

2008-04-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I really do not understand any of this really. So, where did you do this bidding? Did you actually make any money on it? I placed the orders with the Chicago Board of Trade (CBOT) through my broker. I made $0.40 x 100 and $0.70 x 100, or $100.40 after commissions,

Re: [MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread Jim Cathey
While driving down the road, the coolant temperature increase to 100C and then the a/c turns off. It's supposed to do that when it thinks the engine is 'too hot'. Sensors, as you say. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

Re: [MBZ] OT: was McCain, now commodities trading

2008-04-19 Thread Tom Hargrave
Stock market day traders have been known to jump off of high buildings after a bad day's trading.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:45 PM

Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycles

2008-04-19 Thread LWB250
I never use the kickstand on my Virago. It took me a while to get the hang of putting it up on the stand, as moving a nearly 500 pound bike with one foot is not an easy task. I just don't feel like it's stable on the kickstand. I'm always waiting for it to fall... Dan --- Mitch Haley [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Robert Rentfro
The Klebster told me: I'm not sure how much it would cost, but the engine would either have to be pulled or the subframe dropped, either or, to replace the gasket. Which is easier? Can a normal guy (me) do the subframe removal? Would it be worth it to try an O2 sensor first? Is that easy to

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread mak
among others a leaky cold start injector can be one of the causes for a rich running engine. detach the plug on the EHA to deactivate the E system to further check the fuel system richness. mak - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Sticky clutch W123

2008-04-19 Thread mak
1000 followed by a 1500 or 2000 is good. install the seals using rubber grease.it used to come with the seal kits. mak - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] 190E 2.3 a/c issue

2008-04-19 Thread Peter Frederick
Actually, the temperature shouldn't get that high except while sitting in traffic stopped on a very hot day. The 190 can run a bit hotter than a W124 chassis due to the electric clutch on the main fan (tends to be less responsive to temp, and is on or off, not gradual slip like the visco

Re: [MBZ] '85 380SL Questions/Issues

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Probably easier to drop the subframe, 4 bolts and its out Robert Rentfro wrote: The Klebster told me: I'm not sure how much it would cost, but the engine would either have to be pulled or the subframe dropped, either or, to replace the gasket. Which is easier? Can a normal guy (me) do

[MBZ] Cheap Wagon In Wichita

2008-04-19 Thread Donald Snook
Maybe I should just buy this one. It cheap. http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/646474059.html How do you if the rear hydraulic suspension is okay? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] Cheap Wagon In Wichita

2008-04-19 Thread OK Don
Drive it? On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I should just buy this one. It cheap. http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/646474059.html How do you if the rear hydraulic suspension is okay? Donald H. Snook

Re: [MBZ] OT: was McCain, now commodities trading

2008-04-19 Thread Wonko the Sane
I n On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stock market day traders have been known to jump off of high buildings after a bad day's trading.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] OT: was McCain, now commodities trading

2008-04-19 Thread Wonko the Sane
I need to send Mitch an application for services with my not-for-profit. Might keep him from jumping. He might even be on my caseload. On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stock market day traders have been known to jump off of high buildings after a bad

Re: [MBZ] Cheap Wagon In Wichita

2008-04-19 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea I saw that, thought about it myself Donald Snook wrote: Maybe I should just buy this one. It cheap. http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/646474059.html How do you if the rear hydraulic suspension is okay? Donald H. Snook ___