Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) 124 window wiring question
The 201 chassis has this as well. Hendrik who likes manual window winderssort of Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The motor is normally fed with +12V on both wires. The switches supply ground to one or the other in order to work the motor in both directions. I think the motor draws something like 5A or more at stall, so you'd be looking at around 2-3 ohms. You can't fry it with only 12V if it's not shorted internally. I use a 6A battery charger, it's inherently current-limited. Thanks, Jim (and Max too!). That was just what I needed to know. Figured out the motor is fine, and both the door and console switches work fine when swapped into other positions. At this point I guess it's down to a break in the wires or a short somewhere. Chances are it's where the wires go through the door jamb---why does every 124, but no other car, have this problem? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air pockets is clear air turbulence
Some people call clear air turbulence, air pockets. The hole you just drop down for no reason, well there is a reason but I don't know how to explain it. Over to you Roger. Hendrik who can fly when someone else is doing the stick work relng...@aol.com wrote: ,,,Speaking of such - panic, and all, I just reads this in the NYT --- Nearly all of the millions of flights that take off and land each year proceed safely, without incident. Any number of accidents can (but rarely do) put a flight in jeopardy: from engine failure, to the sudden apparition of a flock of geese, to electrical storms, to ice, to air pockets That's it. The reference to 'air pockets invalidates the whole article. People like this think there are two kinds of airplanes, Piper Cubs and 747s. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fadeout?
You know, when me and Wodger discuss things it is funny, when you get involved it gets nasty. Why is this? Hendrik who likes a joke or two but.. Mountain Man wrote: RLE wrote: So, when your three day per week job goes down to two and then one followed by zero, you are going to do what? Gonna make a cardboard sign, rent a dog and sit at the end of a nearby offramp looking pitiful? No I will become F* compost for your rhododendrons just like you need and desire. I have no value. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
yeah...maybe the '77 he's talking about, but certainly not the one pictured which is, as you know, a '74. or a '75, or a '76. Bob R On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Check Mercedessource.com they have an excellent kit for doing this. Dave H... From: harry...@bellsouth.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:05:02 -0600 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Joe knight on the west coast was set up to do it, had a supply of shims. I'm not sure he ever did it for others, but not sure. His email WAS jskni...@gmail.com or j...@jsandctk.com Nice guy, he helped me many times. Harry - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Philip, Last time I went down this route, I ordered a set of rebuilt Bosch from www.buymbparts.com and took them to local independent garage (Star Motors) that supports our MBCA chapter. They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. I think they charged me $30 or some such. My plan was to have them balanced if required at the local Bosch shop for $15 per, 1 day turn-around. Local Bosch shop could not do pop-test while I waited, that's why I went to the independent. OM617.95x injectors are more complex than OM60x (unless they changed the design since I looked into it), and once I dug into the actual pop-testing procedures it became clear that a certain amount of experience and skill is required to evaluate the test results and know what to do when you get a bad result. I too dream about having my own test set-up, but I think there's a learning curve that goes with it and so more personal time, of which I don't have enough of at the moment. I'd rather pay a competent person/shop to do it for me. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:11 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fadeout?
Our local news channel interviewed several during a citywide call to outlaw them. Seems one had a sign saying something like Will work for food yet when the reporter said, Look, that McDonalds is hiring. The beggar replied, why would I work there for minimum wage when I can get $400-$700/day holding this sign? Similar experiments were done with people saying, Sure, hop in, I need my leaves rakes. But the beggar ignored the request. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] fadeout? clay wrote: I watched the cops rousting the local cardboard sign gang from the off ramps today. I think the beggars are in a union. They all have numbered signs that they trade amongst themselves. Years ago I always heard that they make quite good money. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
The level of stress in my house drops dramatically when we shut off the boob-tube; that's why I've resisted getting cable and will continue to resist... Recently I went to a leadership training session and the instructor advised all to occasionally shut-off all electronics (radio/TV/cell phone/computer/ipod) and 'fast' from all media for two or three days. That struck me as a good thing to do at least once a year or so, and preferably for a two-week period or longer... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. You have nothing to fear but fear it self. Now that the PR masters control the govt they can play that fiddle to the end of time. -Rolf On 01/07/2010 06:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Same here, OK Don wrote: Well said. SOme cities here closed the public schools due to extreme low temperatures - first time I've ever seen this. The lowest in the forecast is 5F. I think panic is the new national past time! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] and, yes, i did buy another GM car
Sounds like this will be my new recommendation for cars for new drivers. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] and, yes, i did buy another GM car if you don't want that one. there are hundreds of thousands more like them all over the place, ranging form serviceable dead beaters to really nice well appointed cars the motor is loaded with power and torque and runs forever. used major parts are cheap and everywhere. any general purpose mechanic has worked on hundreds of them. if you must have massive horsepower, supercharged ones that are 96 and newer are easily hot rodded. mine has 225hp stock and it is just plain more power than i'd ever have any use for in regular driving. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: And it has Good breaks I guess you can push the petal hard and you won't loose them. --R Gary Hurst wrote: the reality is that the 3800 cars are so cheap and so good that it is hard to resist the world is flooded with cars like this to be had for a grand http://greenville.craigslist.org/cto/1541685595.html what was i to do? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. IIRC, the book range is 3 bar, and Herr Doktor Booth suggested that the engine ran smoothest if they balanced within one bar. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Found this for my '91 300D - http://www.mercedessource.com/node/6018 the improvement claims sound amazing - anyone here try this? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: David Hemsley sltryman2...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Check Mercedessource.com they have an excellent kit for doing this. Dave H... [snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Allan wrote that's why terrorism is effective. A very small number of people can exercise power over a huge population in ways There's a (depressing) video on yourtube that talks about immigration into various countries and the Muslim birthrates. They say it's 8.1 for Muslim families but for most Europeans countries it's less than 2.0 - meaning the existing population will decline and never recover. It's similar here but we have a birthrate of 2.38 when latino families are included - which, with deathrates is considered barely sustainable. Supposedly, Quaddafi said we don't need to shoot anyone of use suicide bombers, we will control the world with our birthrate in 40-50 years. Not very encouraging. I keep thinking there must be a flaw in the numbers or something must keep one ethic group from becoming totally dominate over the others to the point the others die out. After all, it hasn't happens in thousands of years. Plus, they don't mention China - but I don't know the religious makeup of China. LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 10:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. All true, but.. I think the feeling is that someone boarding a plane with a bomb is something that SHOULD be preventable. Storms, air pockets, geese... these things go into the random chance category that to some degree are unavoidable. Also I think that people feel that the more people succeed at terror attacks, the more people will attempt them in the future. From a probability standpoint, for now, the fears are irrational. But that's why terrorism is effective. A very small number of people can exercise power over a huge population in ways that a direct military attack could never do. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:46 -0600, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of such - panic, and all, I just reads this in the NYT --- Nearly all of the millions of flights that take off and land each year proceed safely, without incident. Any number of accidents can (but rarely do) put a flight in jeopardy: from engine failure, to the sudden apparition of a flock of geese, to electrical storms, to ice, to air pockets. But in the last decade, beginning with the 9/11 attacks, the greatest assault on faith in air travel has come not from accidents but from intentional acts of sabotage by a handful of homicidal malefactors. Statistically, their criminal actions barely register. But the ripple effect of public panic at the notion that any passenger on any plane could be a human time bomb has rattled the airline industry and compromised the freedom of travel that the world’s citizens previously enjoyed. And: The risk of a terrorist disruption of a flight is infinitesimal, but public perception of that risk can be outsize and emotional ... understandably so. Terrorists, like bogeymen, are frightening even when they don’t exist; and when they do appear in broad daylight, citizens who learn that the government failed to shield them from menace feel vulnerable and outraged. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Thats about a 2-300 car for somebody who needs the engine out of it real bad, plus its not a 77 Redghost wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
yep!! I have never heard of anywhere closing because of the cold except here. I bet we are the laughing stock of the country on that one. Benz Hogs wrote: Wow, I remember going to school one morning in KS with the temp -28F Kids these days are WIMPS!! Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I have all the test equipment here, which I use to check my own injectors but I sure as heck would not do any rebuilding, even my own. I have been testing mine for years but I do not feel I have enough experience to rebuild them right. I send mine off to be done. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Philip, Last time I went down this route, I ordered a set of rebuilt Bosch from www.buymbparts.com and took them to local independent garage (Star Motors) that supports our MBCA chapter. They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. I think they charged me $30 or some such. My plan was to have them balanced if required at the local Bosch shop for $15 per, 1 day turn-around. Local Bosch shop could not do pop-test while I waited, that's why I went to the independent. OM617.95x injectors are more complex than OM60x (unless they changed the design since I looked into it), and once I dug into the actual pop-testing procedures it became clear that a certain amount of experience and skill is required to evaluate the test results and know what to do when you get a bad result. I too dream about having my own test set-up, but I think there's a learning curve that goes with it and so more personal time, of which I don't have enough of at the moment. I'd rather pay a competent person/shop to do it for me. -Max -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dr. Brian Carey wrote: I've used Yankee Diesel. They are great, have very sophisticated equipment for rebuilding injectors. Yankee Diesel Inc 220 S Main St, Newtown, CT, 06470 (203) 364-1275 You won't go wrong with Yankee. After 20 years I have yet to have a single complaint with any of his work. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Matt - welcome back! I haven't seen any email traffic from you in a long time... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mathieu J. Cama Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Dr. Brian Carey wrote: I've used Yankee Diesel. They are great, have very sophisticated equipment for rebuilding injectors. Yankee Diesel Inc 220 S Main St, Newtown, CT, 06470 (203) 364-1275 You won't go wrong with Yankee. After 20 years I have yet to have a single complaint with any of his work. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I've used one other kit from Mercedes source (124 blower motor), and found it to be pretty close to 'as advertised'; I think they do a good job but I've only got one experience. This one is at least missing a good solvent for cleaning the injectors, and I'd verify the claims about the Monarch nozzles independently (Yankee sounds like a great place to ask). -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Found this for my '91 300D - http://www.mercedessource.com/node/6018 the improvement claims sound amazing - anyone here try this? LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: David Hemsley sltryman2...@hotmail.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:47 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Check Mercedessource.com they have an excellent kit for doing this. Dave H... [snip] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
My recollection is Booth spec is 5 bar for a smooth idle, but allowed factory range for a new or used injector is 10 bar. Booth spec for super smooth is 3 bar or less. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. IIRC, the book range is 3 bar, and Herr Doktor Booth suggested that the engine ran smoothest if they balanced within one bar. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
The big Grand Touring I was riding last night feels downright scary if you carve with it. A small light machine in deep powder can be a BLAST but very tiring. We're looking at an angry inch today. I'm going to make every effort to hit the trails tonight and make the best of it. -Curt Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:28:33 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Message-ID: 4ac8203b6f354ae98f2924e7535be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What little is predicted for us, I hope you get it. BTW, I think a snowmobile feels best when you have enough snow to bank it in a turn like an aircraft. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. LOL you guys crack me up. I did 17 miles on the snowmobile tonight. Conditions are terrible, I'd kill for some more snow. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Put the 240D battery in the trunk, get some long jumper cables, recharge the 240D battery at night, problem solved! Or get an old snowmobile, your commute is about the same as what I ride to get on the trails Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:54:11 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Message-ID: 61dfb08b1001071854r2464d599gd6c6cca67715f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You southern guys are breaking my heart. I came home early from work and spent about 90 minutes on the non-spinning end of a snowblower in -1F temps and 40 mph winds. The good news is that I was able to start the outside 240D with only 50 seconds of pre-glow (plus block heater) and could snow-blow its driveway spot down to the concrete. While it was running, I tucked it into the currently-unused garage spot normally occupied by the daughter's car (she is snowed in at her boyfriend's house). I plan to walk to work tomorrow, because the battery in my 300E is on its last leg and I don't want to see if it will indeed start in -20F temps after sitting outside my office for the workday. If the battery will make it two more months, then it will be okay for the next nine months. It works well but doesn't have the CCA needed for this climate. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: My recollection is Booth spec is 5 bar for a smooth idle, but allowed factory range for a new or used injector is 10 bar. Booth spec for super smooth is 3 bar or less. Sounds like your memory was better: A diesel engine will NOT idle smoothly if the injector pop pressures exceed a 5 bar range. With the pressure matched even closer (2-3 bar) the engine will idle even more smoothly (providing everything else is working as it should). Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHEAP 115
The car really is just a few blocks away. I could not figure out why it kept moving about though. It was parked on one side street for a week, then another, and another. Finally saw it parked where folks did not want it and it got slapped with a tow sticker. No he sells it. clay ps - do not like the color, I like the dunkel grun On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/1542294402.html Dude, where else you going to get a paint job for Gump for only $100? Or pick up that Westport 240D for its correct price of $100, and combine the two. I bet its rust is near terminal. That 280 sure looks nice. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHEAP 115
I was going to take the interior from the yellow for Gump. Really like the wood trim. clay On Jan 7, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: That 280 sure looks nice. No wing windows, though, so I'd vote against putting Gump's guts into it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
The snow dusting we were 'sposed to get evidently went to Wonko and Curt; they're welcome to it. I'm sure the local grocers appreciate the business generated here yesterday by the forecast, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Curt Raymond wrote: LOL you guys crack me up. I did 17 miles on the snowmobile tonight. Conditions are terrible, I'd kill for some more snow. What Atlanta calls snow and what you call snow are probably NOT the same thing! heheh. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
One last quote on injector tolerances: All of the injectors should be within 5 bar of one another (the tolerable window for new or rebuilt injectors from Bosch is 10 bar). Getting the injectors closer than that (within 1 or 2 bar) will smooth the idle a bit more, but that's a LOT of work. I seem to recall that the standard shim increment changes pressure by 3 bar. To get closer than that the shims need to be ground by hand. Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1993 190E For Sale in Wichita
My Indy has a 93 190E with only 85,000 miles for sale. He just replaced the head gasket. It's a pretty nice car - just too small for me. Somebody emailed me about taking a closer look at the 126 rodbender for sale here. I deleted your email. So, whoever you are just let me know. I haven't looked at it, but I can if anyone is interested. This would definitely be a good day to test its starting abilities. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Strange-looking 123 and nice hubcaps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Matt - welcome back! I haven't seen any email traffic from you in a long time... -Max Max, There was this flood that happened back in September you could say it disrupted our lives a bit. Glad to still be here and be able to type. It was a close one. Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CHEAP 115
I was going to take the interior from the yellow for Gump. Really like the wood trim. Thought you already had wood trim? And the bloody knuckles to prove it? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: One last quote on injector tolerances: All of the injectors should be within 5 bar of one another (the tolerable window for new or rebuilt injectors from Bosch is 10 bar). Getting the injectors closer than that (within 1 or 2 bar) will smooth the idle a bit more, but that's a LOT of work. I seem to recall that the standard shim increment changes pressure by 3 bar. To get closer than that the shims need to be ground by hand. Marshall When I order injectors from Yankee, they are typically matched to within 2 bar of one another. The result is well worth it and it will show on a healthy motor that is properly maintained. Idle quality, power, and overall efficiency are greatly affected by injector characteristics. Having worked for Yankee during my college years, I can say that when he matches them to that tolerance, 2 bar variance, he often has to hand grind the shims. It costs more for that level of tolerance, but it is well worth it. Rebuilding injectors is not difficult, but it is an art that is honed with time. It is a tedious task to make the injectors perform optimally, a task very few are willing to invest the time into. Regards, Mathieu Cama Old World Automotive Lawrenceville, GA www.oldworldauto.com 404-550-8000 9:30 AM - 5:30 PM Mon-Fri ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
In transit, coming from 3 warehouses. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. I placed my order on Turesday --- still waiting for them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: What about beloved Benzes and parts for them? Rusty Cullens -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
It happens here in Indiana occasionally. Usually a 2-hour delay on the school start time, rarely outright cancelation. Never happened when I was a kid either. Sometimes they closed school for snow, but never just for cold. Allan On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:25 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: yep!! I have never heard of anywhere closing because of the cold except here. I bet we are the laughing stock of the country on that one. Benz Hogs wrote: Wow, I remember going to school one morning in KS with the temp -28F Kids these days are WIMPS!! Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
I've had 3 cups of Joe already - that helps! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: My recollection is Booth spec is 5 bar for a smooth idle, but allowed factory range for a new or used injector is 10 bar. Booth spec for super smooth is 3 bar or less. Sounds like your memory was better: A diesel engine will NOT idle smoothly if the injector pop pressures exceed a 5 bar range. With the pressure matched even closer (2-3 bar) the engine will idle even more smoothly (providing everything else is working as it should). Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1993 190E For Sale in Wichita
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:18 -0600, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Somebody emailed me about taking a closer look at the 126 rodbender for sale here. I deleted your email. So, whoever you are just let me know. I haven't looked at it, but I can if anyone is interested. This would definitely be a good day to test its starting abilities. That was me... but don't bother... I've decided I'm not buying any new cars for at least a year, other than as replacements in case of accident etc. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
I can't imagine how bad that was, and look forward to hearing all about it when you feel like typing it out for us. Did your insurance co. do the right thing? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mathieu J. Cama Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Matt - welcome back! I haven't seen any email traffic from you in a long time... -Max Max, There was this flood that happened back in September you could say it disrupted our lives a bit. Glad to still be here and be able to type. It was a close one. Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
When I was at Purdue back in 70s we had a week where the temps never got above 0F even during the day, one night got to -25F, I somehow got my 75 Grand Prix started the next morning when it was still about that. It took a few cranks and maybe some ether, but it finally lit off while protesting mightily. And we had lots of snow around too. After moving to warmer climes I still wonder how I survived that unpleasantness. Maybe being young and knowing everything? Cold here now in the Lowcountry and I hate it. --R Allan Streib wrote: It happens here in Indiana occasionally. Usually a 2-hour delay on the school start time, rarely outright cancelation. Never happened when I was a kid either. Sometimes they closed school for snow, but never just for cold. Allan On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:25 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: yep!! I have never heard of anywhere closing because of the cold except here. I bet we are the laughing stock of the country on that one. Benz Hogs wrote: Wow, I remember going to school one morning in KS with the temp -28F Kids these days are WIMPS!! Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
I remember it happening once, -25F. Diesel busses wouldn't start. It rarely gets that cold where my parents live so they don't have outlets to plug the busses in... They canceled school for mud once too, the busses all parked in an unpaved lot and one spring they couldn't get 'em out. Took all day (we went over to watch) and once they did they didn't park them there again for a couple weeks. Once the parking lot dried up they dumped ever so many loads of crushed stone onto it and it was never a problem again. -Curt Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:49:16 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Message-ID: 1262965756.23182.1353632...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It happens here in Indiana occasionally. Usually a 2-hour delay on the school start time, rarely outright cancelation. Never happened when I was a kid either. Sometimes they closed school for snow, but never just for cold. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max, I've yet to do my DVs since it's so greatly improved following the MMs - but the DVS are leaking and need t be changed. I was considering your suggestion about doing 1, start the engine, then move to the next one. When I looked at my 91 300D, it looks like I need to at least partly remove the manifold to access the rear 3 or 4 DVs so I'd rather not try your procedure. However, you said Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, - that's pretty depressing! Do it right and STILL have a problem? Jeez, what a PITA. I may have to let the dealer do it if that's the way it is. I really don't want to damage the IP! Please explain how I might follow the torque instructions and *still* have a problem --- Or better, how can I follow the instructions and do it *right* the first time? Gotta go, my head is spinning. Time to defornicate...;-) LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Does anybody remember?
I remember seeing what I think was the intro to a '50s movie where an animated pinstripe runs all over a car... I remember seeing it on (I think) HBO during the day when I was 10 or 12 years old (so about 20-25 years ago). Anybody else remember it? I remember thinking it was way cool and would like to see it again. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Hi Max - One more question about doing the DVs - if I go ahead and do all 5 DVs and restart only when all are done, could I look for noise with a mechanics stethoscope? I can tell I need to listen carefully to the IP for noise *before* repairing the DV's. Thx agn for the help - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
wtf is a carrier bearing? On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Strange-looking 123 and nice hubcaps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
You only run in Safe Mode when cleaning the machine of Virus and Malware, etc. Once clean you reboot and start up normally. I use McAfee which comes free from Comcast. I also run Spyware but McAfee seems to catch it all. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software Thanks for your repsonses, but alas, I am even more confused now than I was before (which is not all that surprising). Malware seems like a mixed bag, and no one mentioned McAffee. I definitely appear to have some bugs already that needs to be *annihilated*. I am willing to pay but unwilling to operate in safe mode, if that involves running in text only mode or other handicaps. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Another nice program that instructs, but does not eliminate stuff is Mike Lin's startup.cpl which is a control panel application that tells you what processes are scheduled to start up at each boot cycle. It is instructive to see the processes that are tasked to start up. From that, you can remove start-up status of applications you do not recognize and then if the system runs fine, you might decide the application is bogus and needs complete removal. I can recall an application from 10 years ago - jupiter something - that I would detect from time to time. Do the search in the registry for jupiter and delete all instances - ruthlessly - and then any variant of jupiter in the file structures. Many malware used to be quite visible and could be seen via careful looking around and removal. Of course, while linux is not completely without malware, it is far above the susceptibility of windows. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Does anybody remember?
Curt Raymond wrote: I remember seeing what I think was the intro to a '50s movie where an animated pinstripe runs all over a car... I remember seeing it on (I think) HBO during the day when I was 10 or 12 years old (so about 20-25 years ago). I seem to remember a white car with a black stripe running itself all over it, thought it was Sesame Street or something. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Yes, the stethoscope would be of great value and would probably allow you to narrow down to the one or two DV's that were making the noise. However, I would use it between each DV during the engine re-start to reduce or eliminate the extra noise from having the intake manifold removed. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:10 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Hi Max - One more question about doing the DVs - if I go ahead and do all 5 DVs and restart only when all are done, could I look for noise with a mechanics stethoscope? I can tell I need to listen carefully to the IP for noise *before* repairing the DV's. Thx agn for the help - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Center bearing on the drive shaft. Carries the driveshaft. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week wtf is a carrier bearing? On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Strange-looking 123 and nice hubcaps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
For some reason your emails land diretly in my spam folder with the REAL spam! On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:40:43 -0500 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: It just started here at Bimby. You can already hear people in their offices screaming it's snowing like 8 year old kids. I had a similar thing happen when it snowed while I was stationed at Tyndall AFB in Panama City, Florida. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
Thank you. McAfee it will be! On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:13 AM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: You only run in Safe Mode when cleaning the machine of Virus and Malware, etc. Once clean you reboot and start up normally. I use McAfee which comes free from Comcast. I also run Spyware but McAfee seems to catch it all. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software Thanks for your repsonses, but alas, I am even more confused now than I was before (which is not all that surprising). Malware seems like a mixed bag, and no one mentioned McAffee. I definitely appear to have some bugs already that needs to be *annihilated*. I am willing to pay but unwilling to operate in safe mode, if that involves running in text only mode or other handicaps. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Another nice program that instructs, but does not eliminate stuff is Mike Lin's startup.cpl which is a control panel application that tells you what processes are scheduled to start up at each boot cycle. It is instructive to see the processes that are tasked to start up. From that, you can remove start-up status of applications you do not recognize and then if the system runs fine, you might decide the application is bogus and needs complete removal. I can recall an application from 10 years ago - jupiter something - that I would detect from time to time. Do the search in the registry for jupiter and delete all instances - ruthlessly - and then any variant of jupiter in the file structures. Many malware used to be quite visible and could be seen via careful looking around and removal. Of course, while linux is not completely without malware, it is far above the susceptibility of windows. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
What are the symptoms when one of them goes bad? I have never had this problem in any of my dozen Benzes (W108, 109, 111, 114, 115, and 123). Andrew On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Center bearing on the drive shaft. Carries the driveshaft. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week wtf is a carrier bearing? On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Strange-looking 123 and nice hubcaps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
The squeal and sound like your transmission is bad. I've had 2 bad ones... -Curt Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:21:01 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week Message-ID: b8cdcef41001080821t602f6d3cxaf15983fd9344...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What are the symptoms when one of them goes bad? I have never had this problem in any of my dozen Benzes (W108, 109, 111, 114, 115, and 123). Andrew On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Center bearing on the drive shaft. Carries the driveshaft. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Lowcountry cold: Weatherguessers predicted sleet maybe ice for the Lowcountry, but when I woke this a.m. I thought our heat pump had died during the night because I didn't hear it running. Thought about who I was going to call for help but decided to bump up the thermostat to test it, and it came on just fine. Outside temperature at 45 deg F is about 20 deg higher than last week and about 13 deg higher than predictions. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:57 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. When I was at Purdue back in 70s we had a week where the temps never got above 0F even during the day, one night got to -25F, I somehow got my 75 Grand Prix started the next morning when it was still about that. It took a few cranks and maybe some ether, but it finally lit off while protesting mightily. And we had lots of snow around too. After moving to warmer climes I still wonder how I survived that unpleasantness. Maybe being young and knowing everything? Cold here now in the Lowcountry and I hate it. --R Allan Streib wrote: It happens here in Indiana occasionally. Usually a 2-hour delay on the school start time, rarely outright cancelation. Never happened when I was a kid either. Sometimes they closed school for snow, but never just for cold. Allan On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 08:25 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: yep!! I have never heard of anywhere closing because of the cold except here. I bet we are the laughing stock of the country on that one. Benz Hogs wrote: Wow, I remember going to school one morning in KS with the temp -28F Kids these days are WIMPS!! Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (300,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is possible to follow correct torque procedure (30Nm - release - 30Nm - release - 35Nm - lockdown) and still warp the IP body, which requires a re-do. My idea of doing one at a time (when doing them all) would help you determine which one had warped the IP body. I admit I've only rebuilt all of them at once on two different motors, and on neither motor did I start the engine between each DV rebuilt. Both were OM60x engines and on neither did I have any problems, but a thought experiment lead me to believe that an engine start to listen to the IP between each DV might be wise. Could be either too difficult or worthless if you have the intake manifold off when you re-start and can't hear anything different because of the extra noise from the intake openings in the head. Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Hi Max, I've yet to do my DVs since it's so greatly improved following the MMs - but the DVS are leaking and need t be changed. I was considering your suggestion about doing 1, start the engine, then move to the next one. When I looked at my 91 300D, it looks like I need to at least partly remove the manifold to access the rear 3 or 4 DVs so I'd rather not try your procedure. However, you said Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, - that's pretty depressing! Do it right and STILL have a problem? Jeez, what a PITA. I may have to let the dealer do it if that's the way it is. I really don't want to damage the IP! Please explain how I might follow the torque instructions and *still* have a problem --- Or better, how can I follow the instructions and do it *right* the first time? Gotta go, my head is spinning. Time to defornicate...;-) LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I can't imagine how bad that was, and look forward to hearing all about it when you feel like typing it out for us. Did your insurance co. do the right thing? -Max Max, No offense, I really don't want to re-live the experience yet. The wounds are too fresh and I do not want to be a side show. The short of it is a 15 foot deep river went through our home. The waters began coming in at 3:30AM and we were lucky to escape with our lives. We escaped with our dog and the clothes that were in the dryer as we fled out of the home and were lucky to make it through the water current as our driveway was already awash. It was akin to watching the Titanic going down from the street before the entire cul-de-sac went awash. The water was roughly 30' deep in our back yard when all was said and done and three foundation walls of the house are now compromised. FEMA is a bloody joke, you are completely subjected to the whims and incompetence of their adjuster with little recourse. If it were not for close friends we would have been on the street. Still battling with the flood insurance company, but looks like we will have resolution on part of the claim soon. It took hiring an attorney and a public adjuster to make this happen. It is clear that in no way will we be made whole. Quite the mess! Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 11:52 -0500, Mathieu J. Cama c...@oldworldauto.com wrote: FEMA is a bloody joke, you are completely subjected to the whims and incompetence of their adjuster with little recourse. If it were not for close friends we would have been on the street. Still battling with the flood insurance company, but looks like we will have resolution on part of the claim soon. It took hiring an attorney and a public adjuster to make this happen. It is clear that in no way will we be made whole. I've had a similar insurance experience in a different context. It's going to court later this month, so I don't want to say much about it. By the time I pay the attorney fees I will recover only a fraction of the money if any. I think that some insurers just flat refuse to pay claims, knowing that the only recourse for the insured is to hire a lawyer and go to court. And since attorney fees are generally the responsibility of the individual parties, you risk collecting nothing or even being negative if you do this, even if you have a legitimate case. Good luck! Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
I had no problems coming into work this morning. Helped a few people stuck on ice. Newer cars with traction control I just chugged right along with out issues. Everyone in an SUV slid down the entrance at work today, no problems for me. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 10:06 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The big Grand Touring I was riding last night feels downright scary if you carve with it. A small light machine in deep powder can be a BLAST but very tiring. We're looking at an angry inch today. I'm going to make every effort to hit the trails tonight and make the best of it. -Curt Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:28:33 -0500 From: WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Message-ID:4ac8203b6f354ae98f2924e7535be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What little is predicted for us, I hope you get it. BTW, I think a snowmobile feels best when you have enough snow to bank it in a turn like an aircraft. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. LOL you guys crack me up. I did 17 miles on the snowmobile tonight. Conditions are terrible, I'd kill for some more snow. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
me neither. rolled out of bed. walked down to the garage. snow didn't effect me at all! On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I had no problems coming into work this morning. Helped a few people stuck on ice. Newer cars with traction control I just chugged right along with out issues. Everyone in an SUV slid down the entrance at work today, no problems for me. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 10:06 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The big Grand Touring I was riding last night feels downright scary if you carve with it. A small light machine in deep powder can be a BLAST but very tiring. We're looking at an angry inch today. I'm going to make every effort to hit the trails tonight and make the best of it. -Curt Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:28:33 -0500 From: WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Message-ID:4ac8203b6f354ae98f2924e7535be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What little is predicted for us, I hope you get it. BTW, I think a snowmobile feels best when you have enough snow to bank it in a turn like an aircraft. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. LOL you guys crack me up. I did 17 miles on the snowmobile tonight. Conditions are terrible, I'd kill for some more snow. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
No offense taken, forgive me for asking, just glad to see you back up on the net. We've got so many side shows now that one more won't matter! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mathieu J. Cama Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back! On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I can't imagine how bad that was, and look forward to hearing all about it when you feel like typing it out for us. Did your insurance co. do the right thing? -Max Max, No offense, I really don't want to re-live the experience yet. The wounds are too fresh and I do not want to be a side show. The short of it is a 15 foot deep river went through our home. The waters began coming in at 3:30AM and we were lucky to escape with our lives. We escaped with our dog and the clothes that were in the dryer as we fled out of the home and were lucky to make it through the water current as our driveway was already awash. It was akin to watching the Titanic going down from the street before the entire cul-de-sac went awash. The water was roughly 30' deep in our back yard when all was said and done and three foundation walls of the house are now compromised. FEMA is a bloody joke, you are completely subjected to the whims and incompetence of their adjuster with little recourse. If it were not for close friends we would have been on the street. Still battling with the flood insurance company, but looks like we will have resolution on part of the claim soon. It took hiring an attorney and a public adjuster to make this happen. It is clear that in no way will we be made whole. Quite the mess! Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
Look like you got yourself a hotdog. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Traction control is a scam. I have a 2002 Crown Vic with traction control that is absolutely worthless in snow or ice. When the weather turns I go by the local water softener place and get 150 pounds of softener salt in the trunk. When I want to get in my driveway (which slopes up about 25-30 degrees) I turn off the traction control and just floor it. Dan --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 1:24 PM I had no problems coming into work this morning. Helped a few people stuck on ice. Newer cars with traction control. I just chugged right along with out issues. Everyone in an SUV slid down the entrance at work today, no problems for me. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 10:06 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The big Grand Touring I was riding last night feels downright scary if you carve with it. A small light machine in deep powder can be a BLAST but very tiring. We're looking at an angry inch today. I'm going to make every effort to hit the trails tonight and make the best of it. -Curt Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:28:33 -0500 From: WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. Message-ID:4ac8203b6f354ae98f2924e7535be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What little is predicted for us, I hope you get it. BTW, I think a snowmobile feels best when you have enough snow to bank it in a turn like an aircraft. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. LOL you guys crack me up. I did 17 miles on the snowmobile tonight. Conditions are terrible, I'd kill for some more snow. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
LWB250 wrote: Traction control is a scam. I have a 2002 Crown Vic with traction control that is absolutely worthless in snow or ice. De UnderAchieva has traction control. The first time it snowed last fall, the engine felt sluggish, then I noticed that T/C was turned on. I'd be churning through the snow, the computer would retard the timing, and I'd feed more throttle to keep the wheels going... The result was just wasted fuel. I turned off T/C and haven't wanted to turn it back on, other than to get rid of the warning light at night. One time I used cruise control and traction control going up an icy hill to see how the car would deal with it. The C/C mashed the throttle, the traction loss warning light came on, and the C/C hit the throttle harder and the tranny downshifted. The car never downshifts on that hill, but it does when the traction control is killing the power. Wouldn't intelligent design require the cruise control to shut off under conditions that didn't allow it to hold a steady speed without wheelspin? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need help selecting Windows laptop
Just to close the loop I tried Netflix, full screen (okay, 10 at native resolution, but still :), on the 10v this morning, and had no problems even in the couple action sequences I found. Anyway, figured I'd report back, better late than never. :) -Tim On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: My wife runs OSX10.5 on her Dell Mini 10v (oh, I mean, er... I do own retail, and have thought about getting a sticker of an apple...). She ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Traction Control is WONDERFUL in my wife's PT Cuizer and my HHR. The HHR is newer, it will actually grab the brake on the spinning wheel to redirect the power. Pete Windsor, CT On 1/8/2010 3:25 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: LWB250 wrote: Traction control is a scam. I have a 2002 Crown Vic with traction control that is absolutely worthless in snow or ice. De UnderAchieva has traction control. The first time it snowed last fall, the engine felt sluggish, then I noticed that T/C was turned on. I'd be churning through the snow, the computer would retard the timing, and I'd feed more throttle to keep the wheels going... The result was just wasted fuel. I turned off T/C and haven't wanted to turn it back on, other than to get rid of the warning light at night. One time I used cruise control and traction control going up an icy hill to see how the car would deal with it. The C/C mashed the throttle, the traction loss warning light came on, and the C/C hit the throttle harder and the tranny downshifted. The car never downshifts on that hill, but it does when the traction control is killing the power. Wouldn't intelligent design require the cruise control to shut off under conditions that didn't allow it to hold a steady speed without wheelspin? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Seattle POS
...http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html.. That's not a '77. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] terms
...Some people call clear air turbulence, air pockets. The hole you just drop down for no reason, well there is a reason but I don't know how to explain it. Over to you Roger. A hole in the air, then? That term dates from maybe the thirties in airplane movies? Nobody who knows anything uses the term. Turbulence, microbursts, windshift, downdrafts etc all are valid. RLE/25 years of aviation ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
Mathieu, et al. Johnny B does assessment work for FEMA Maybe he could offer some encouragement? . H? Fred Moir Lynn MA On 1/8/2010 11:52 AM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: Max, No offense, I really don't want to re-live the experience yet. The wounds are too fresh and I do not want to be a side show. The short of it is a 15 foot deep river went through our home. The waters began coming in at 3:30AM and we were lucky to escape with our lives. We escaped with our dog and the clothes that were in the dryer as we fled out of the home and were lucky to make it through the water current as our driveway was already awash. It was akin to watching the Titanic going down from the street before the entire cul-de-sac went awash. The water was roughly 30' deep in our back yard when all was said and done and three foundation walls of the house are now compromised. FEMA is a bloody joke, you are completely subjected to the whims and incompetence of their adjuster with little recourse. If it were not for close friends we would have been on the street. Still battling with the flood insurance company, but looks like we will have resolution on part of the claim soon. It took hiring an attorney and a public adjuster to make this happen. It is clear that in no way will we be made whole. Quite the mess! Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] compost
...I will become F* compost for your rhododendrons just like you need and desire... A generous offer indeed but I think I'll stick with the garden store for those needs. RLE/many flowers etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pop-off
They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. That qualifies as all over the place and I know for a fact that my long-gone 123's injectors were evenly matched. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pop-off
On 1/8/2010 3:00 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: That qualifies as all over the place and I know for a fact that my long-gone 123's injectors were evenly matched. 5 bar is the MB specified tolerance John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Doing them one by one and testing between on an OM606 is a major PITA; you have to pull all of the injector pipes and the manifold (for turbos, you have to remove the bolt securing the charge air pipe from the bottom) I believe the issue with warping the IP is due to the valve elements propensity for being off-center in the bores. If you carefully center the elements you may not have trouble. Disclaimer: I've only done the job once on each of the 2 OM606's that we have -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:15, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is possible to follow correct torque procedure (30Nm - release - 30Nm - release - 35Nm - lockdown) and still warp the IP body, which requires a re-do. My idea of doing one at a time (when doing them all) would help you determine which one had warped the IP body. I admit I've only rebuilt all of them at once on two different motors, and on neither motor did I start the engine between each DV rebuilt. Both were OM60x engines and on neither did I have any problems, but a thought experiment lead me to believe that an engine start to listen to the IP between each DV might be wise. Could be either too difficult or worthless if you have the intake manifold off when you re-start and can't hear anything different because of the extra noise from the intake openings in the head. Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Hi Max, I've yet to do my DVs since it's so greatly improved following the MMs - but the DVS are leaking and need t be changed. I was considering your suggestion about doing 1, start the engine, then move to the next one. When I looked at my 91 300D, it looks like I need to at least partly remove the manifold to access the rear 3 or 4 DVs so I'd rather not try your procedure. However, you said Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, - that's pretty depressing! Do it right and STILL have a problem? Jeez, what a PITA. I may have to let the dealer do it if that's the way it is. I really don't want to damage the IP! Please explain how I might follow the torque instructions and *still* have a problem --- Or better, how can I follow the instructions and do it *right* the first time? Gotta go, my head is spinning. Time to defornicate...;-) LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] compost
I can hardly wait until spring, when I can reveal my unique compost made from coffee grounds, grass, leaves, kitchen vegetal material, and (used) Worlds best Cat Litter. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I will become F* compost for your rhododendrons just like you need and desire... A generous offer indeed but I think I'll stick with the garden store for those needs. RLE/many flowers etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Doing them one at a time and then testing on an OM606 is a MAJOR pain; you have to -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:15, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is possible to follow correct torque procedure (30Nm - release - 30Nm - release - 35Nm - lockdown) and still warp the IP body, which requires a re-do. My idea of doing one at a time (when doing them all) would help you determine which one had warped the IP body. I admit I've only rebuilt all of them at once on two different motors, and on neither motor did I start the engine between each DV rebuilt. Both were OM60x engines and on neither did I have any problems, but a thought experiment lead me to believe that an engine start to listen to the IP between each DV might be wise. Could be either too difficult or worthless if you have the intake manifold off when you re-start and can't hear anything different because of the extra noise from the intake openings in the head. Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Hi Max, I've yet to do my DVs since it's so greatly improved following the MMs - but the DVS are leaking and need t be changed. I was considering your suggestion about doing 1, start the engine, then move to the next one. When I looked at my 91 300D, it looks like I need to at least partly remove the manifold to access the rear 3 or 4 DVs so I'd rather not try your procedure. However, you said Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, - that's pretty depressing! Do it right and STILL have a problem? Jeez, what a PITA. I may have to let the dealer do it if that's the way it is. I really don't want to damage the IP! Please explain how I might follow the torque instructions and *still* have a problem --- Or better, how can I follow the instructions and do it *right* the first time? Gotta go, my head is spinning. Time to defornicate...;-) LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:06 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job It's not that bad, just requires very specific steps, cleanliness, patience, and the right tools including the special socket and a torque wrench, and some parts. However, easy to screw up and cause expensive damage if done wrong, so handing off to a pro is the right choice in some circumstances. If you detect any new noises from the injection pump, one or more of the DV's has not set correctly during the torque procedure and needs to be re-torqued (torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 30Nm, release, torque to 35Nm and lock down). Easy to do the procedure right and still have a problem, but that noise is due to a warped IP body which will cause expensive damage if not fixed. For that reason and to avoid confusion about which DV might be the cause of such a hypothetical noise, I think it's best to do one DV at a time and start-run the engine briefly after each DV has been re-sealed and locked down. I like the new word: defornicate. Don't mis-underestimate its uses! -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:49 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The indy scared me about this job. He said it is too delicate for him to do, but I suspect it is more that Gump is a heap and he is not interested in keeping her on the road. He agreed to do the job anyway. I have done enough of these sorts of simple jobs that end up screwing the car up. Figured it would just save us all headache to have a pro do it, since the past few times under the hood, I ended up having a shop defornicate the mess I made. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pop-off
Evenly Matched to what? If your temped to say they were exactly the same, ignore this question. Pete On 1/8/2010 4:00 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: They pop-tested while I waited (about 15 minutes during my lunch break) and all the injectors fell within a 5 bar range and had good spray patterns. That qualifies as all over the place and I know for a fact that my long-gone 123's injectors were evenly matched. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Oops. Fat fingers and iPhones have slight compatibility issues... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 8, 2010, at 16:26, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Doing them one at a time and then testing on an OM606 is a MAJOR pain; you have to -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:15, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN- ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is possible to follow correct torque procedure (30Nm - release - 30Nm - release - 35Nm - lockdown) and still warp the IP body, which requires a re-do. My idea of doing one at a time (when doing them all) would help you determine which one had warped the IP body. I admit I've only rebuilt all of them at once on two different motors, and on neither motor did I start the engine between each DV rebuilt. Both were OM60x engines and on neither did I have any problems, but a thought experiment lead me to believe that an engine start to listen to the IP between each DV might be wise. Could be either too difficult or worthless if you have the intake manifold off when you re-start and can't hear anything different because of the extra noise from the intake openings in the head. Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Back in HS I started a short story. I was reading alot of cyber punk at the time and was inspired by William Gibson among others, he wrote heavily about cybernetic implants and what not. In my short story there were tea houses that you could go to and enjoy a japanese/chinese tea ceremony, the catch was that all implants and cybernetics had to be removed or turned off at the door. I wonder if I still have that somewhere, its 20 years later and alot of Gibson's prediction have or are becoming reality. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 08:52 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: The level of stress in my house drops dramatically when we shut off the boob-tube; that's why I've resisted getting cable and will continue to resist... Recently I went to a leadership training session and the instructor advised all to occasionally shut-off all electronics (radio/TV/cell phone/computer/ipod) and 'fast' from all media for two or three days. That struck me as a good thing to do at least once a year or so, and preferably for a two-week period or longer... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today. You have nothing to fear but fear it self. Now that the PR masters control the govt they can play that fiddle to the end of time. -Rolf On 01/07/2010 06:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Same here, OK Don wrote: Well said. SOme cities here closed the public schools due to extreme low temperatures - first time I've ever seen this. The lowest in the forecast is 5F. I think panic is the new national past time! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
Last time I checked most Muslim countries don't have enough food to support the existing populations. -Rolf Supposedly, Quaddafi said we don't need to shoot anyone of use suicide bombers, we will control the world ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Gonna snow in ATL today.
I was thinking about turning in my ALDA all the way as a poor mans traction control. An LSD rear sure would be handy. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 03:45 PM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: Traction Control is WONDERFUL in my wife's PT Cuizer and my HHR. The HHR is newer, it will actually grab the brake on the spinning wheel to redirect the power. Pete Windsor, CT On 1/8/2010 3:25 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: LWB250 wrote: Traction control is a scam. I have a 2002 Crown Vic with traction control that is absolutely worthless in snow or ice. De UnderAchieva has traction control. The first time it snowed last fall, the engine felt sluggish, then I noticed that T/C was turned on. I'd be churning through the snow, the computer would retard the timing, and I'd feed more throttle to keep the wheels going... The result was just wasted fuel. I turned off T/C and haven't wanted to turn it back on, other than to get rid of the warning light at night. One time I used cruise control and traction control going up an icy hill to see how the car would deal with it. The C/C mashed the throttle, the traction loss warning light came on, and the C/C hit the throttle harder and the tranny downshifted. The car never downshifts on that hill, but it does when the traction control is killing the power. Wouldn't intelligent design require the cruise control to shut off under conditions that didn't allow it to hold a steady speed without wheelspin? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Well the bushing going bad will show up as driveline vibrations or ver large disturbing rythmic whacking. The bearing usually sings or hums. BTW that car is in Seattle. They pay 2X what we pay over here for old dieselers. That car is parts material at best. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 11:21 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: What are the symptoms when one of them goes bad? I have never had this problem in any of my dozen Benzes (W108, 109, 111, 114, 115, and 123). Andrew On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Center bearing on the drive shaft. Carries the driveshaft. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week wtf is a carrier bearing? On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:26 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Strange-looking 123 and nice hubcaps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghostredgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 12:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/1541917716.html Sure, worth $1k to NOBODY clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
i found hot dog to be funny there On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
I'm sure in about another 2 hours your gonna find it a hell of alot less funny :D -Rolf On 01/08/2010 05:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i found hot dog to be funny there On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
I'm still laughing. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I'm sure in about another 2 hours your gonna find it a hell of alot less funny :D -Rolf On 01/08/2010 05:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i found hot dog to be funny there On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
IIRC C Sean Watts on peachparts does them within 3 bar. -Rolf On 01/08/2010 10:16 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: One last quote on injector tolerances: All of the injectors should be within 5 bar of one another (the tolerable window for new or rebuilt injectors from Bosch is 10 bar). Getting the injectors closer than that (within 1 or 2 bar) will smooth the idle a bit more, but that's a LOT of work. I seem to recall that the standard shim increment changes pressure by 3 bar. To get closer than that the shims need to be ground by hand. Marshall ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
Gary Hurst wrote: i found hot dog to be funny there Funnier than the one on the other list with the knife in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
she's been outside all day. i will probably bring her in at dark with the hope that the little adventure has been fully expunged. if she still feel sick, i'll just let her drink some more and then put her back outside this is one thing good about this dog. she will always come to you when she is in distress rather than let go inside. my other dog will just crap or puke where she is if she feels the urge. germans are clean like that! On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I'm sure in about another 2 hours your gonna find it a hell of alot less funny :D -Rolf On 01/08/2010 05:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i found hot dog to be funny there On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
I'm happy to hear most is OK. Count yourself lucky you had flood insurance at all... A friend neighbors mortgage company had said that he could cancel his, 2 months before his house was flooded in that storm :(... -Rolf On 01/08/2010 11:52 AM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I can't imagine how bad that was, and look forward to hearing all about it when you feel like typing it out for us. Did your insurance co. do the right thing? -Max Max, No offense, I really don't want to re-live the experience yet. The wounds are too fresh and I do not want to be a side show. The short of it is a 15 foot deep river went through our home. The waters began coming in at 3:30AM and we were lucky to escape with our lives. We escaped with our dog and the clothes that were in the dryer as we fled out of the home and were lucky to make it through the water current as our driveway was already awash. It was akin to watching the Titanic going down from the street before the entire cul-de-sac went awash. The water was roughly 30' deep in our back yard when all was said and done and three foundation walls of the house are now compromised. FEMA is a bloody joke, you are completely subjected to the whims and incompetence of their adjuster with little recourse. If it were not for close friends we would have been on the street. Still battling with the flood insurance company, but looks like we will have resolution on part of the claim soon. It took hiring an attorney and a public adjuster to make this happen. It is clear that in no way will we be made whole. Quite the mess! Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] any of you guys dealt with this outfit btw?
they seem to be selling genuine at wholesale to the public. http://www.mercedespartscenter.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215720 -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
i have to say something about those floods. i live above the water and had no idea that there was anything going on besides heavy rain for a long time. it was only when i tried to go out to the store that i realized the magnitude of the disaster. the river and streams just literally created lakes. bridges were largely wiped out and low lying items found themselves under water. when i bought my house, altitude relative to bodies of water was not even considered. my advice is to buy high and buy on rock. (but don't buy when high on rock!) On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I'm happy to hear most is OK. Count yourself lucky you had flood insurance at all... A friend neighbors mortgage company had said that he could cancel his, 2 months before his house was flooded in that storm :(... -Rolf On 01/08/2010 11:52 AM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I can't imagine how bad that was, and look forward to hearing all about it when you feel like typing it out for us. Did your insurance co. do the right thing? -Max Max, No offense, I really don't want to re-live the experience yet. The wounds are too fresh and I do not want to be a side show. The short of it is a 15 foot deep river went through our home. The waters began coming in at 3:30AM and we were lucky to escape with our lives. We escaped with our dog and the clothes that were in the dryer as we fled out of the home and were lucky to make it through the water current as our driveway was already awash. It was akin to watching the Titanic going down from the street before the entire cul-de-sac went awash. The water was roughly 30' deep in our back yard when all was said and done and three foundation walls of the house are now compromised. FEMA is a bloody joke, you are completely subjected to the whims and incompetence of their adjuster with little recourse. If it were not for close friends we would have been on the street. Still battling with the flood insurance company, but looks like we will have resolution on part of the claim soon. It took hiring an attorney and a public adjuster to make this happen. It is clear that in no way will we be made whole. Quite the mess! Mathieu ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ESP
Traction Control is WONDERFUL in my wife's PT Cuizer and my HHR. The HHR is newer, it will actually grab the brake on the spinning wheel to redirect the power... Just like MB's system. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: she's been outside all day. i will probably bring her in at dark with the hope that the little adventure has been fully expunged. if she still feel sick, i'll just let her drink some more and then put her back outside this is one thing good about this dog. she will always come to you when she is in distress rather than let go inside. my other dog will just crap or puke where she is if she feels the urge. germans are clean like that! A German with the squirts... brings back nasty memories of my youth from when we had five of them around the shop. Browned chop meat and rice will take care of things if this does not stop on its own in 24 hours or so. From squirts to dust bombs! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] matched
Evenly Matched to what? If your tempted to say they were exactly the same, ignore this question. 1750psi which was the factory spec for the non-turbo 300D at the time, according to the MB service manager. I doubt that they were precisely the same down to their last squirt. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
I had to stop myself from going into detail about Cartman's mom and how she earned a living. loll. On 01/08/2010 05:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: she's been outside all day. i will probably bring her in at dark with the hope that the little adventure has been fully expunged. if she still feel sick, i'll just let her drink some more and then put her back outside this is one thing good about this dog. she will always come to you when she is in distress rather than let go inside. my other dog will just crap or puke where she is if she feels the urge. germans are clean like that! On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: I'm sure in about another 2 hours your gonna find it a hell of alot less funny :D -Rolf On 01/08/2010 05:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i found hot dog to be funny there On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1983 300TD, and 1985 300D for sale in Burbank, CA
Two rust free 123 Chassis cars available for sale. 1983 300TD (310K miles) 1985 300D (130K miles) Please email me for more details. e...@gmail.com -- Eric Schusterman 951.733.5193 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Rolf wrote: I'm happy to hear most is OK. Count yourself lucky you had flood insurance at all... A friend neighbors mortgage company had said that he could cancel his, 2 months before his house was flooded in that storm :(... -Rolf All of our neighbors had no flood insurance. Granted they still have habitable homes, many of them did wind up with 5 figure losses. Our community pulled together to help one another out after the flood. We give thanks for the fact that we did have flood insurance as it seems it will turn out OK for the most part. Still it is not near enough to rebuild or replace what was lost and temporary housing is not part of the policy. Having our health is the key. The worst of it is the loss of family pictures and the like. The rest is just stuff, including the cars. It seems Cobb county is doing a good job of taking care of its habitants who were effected. Gwinnett county... well that is another story. My heart goes out to anyone who has gone through something like this. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
what all cars did you lose in the flood? Mathieu J. Cama wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Rolf wrote: I'm happy to hear most is OK. Count yourself lucky you had flood insurance at all... A friend neighbors mortgage company had said that he could cancel his, 2 months before his house was flooded in that storm :(... -Rolf All of our neighbors had no flood insurance. Granted they still have habitable homes, many of them did wind up with 5 figure losses. Our community pulled together to help one another out after the flood. We give thanks for the fact that we did have flood insurance as it seems it will turn out OK for the most part. Still it is not near enough to rebuild or replace what was lost and temporary housing is not part of the policy. Having our health is the key. The worst of it is the loss of family pictures and the like. The rest is just stuff, including the cars. It seems Cobb county is doing a good job of taking care of its habitants who were effected. Gwinnett county... well that is another story. My heart goes out to anyone who has gone through something like this. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.725 / Virus Database: 270.14.130/2607 - Release Date: 01/08/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
they are really like having little out of control children. so needy. so bold. and yet when it comes to action at defending the pack they throw it into aggressive mode without a moments hesitation. they dont' seem to mind heat or cold or hard work. the only thing i've found that they really hate doing is carrying or pulling weight. i'd also presume that their prey drive would make them pretty useless for hunting as well. apart from that, this old german farm dog is up for any kind of action. really, much more useful than most of the english farm dogs, albeit not quite as magnificent a herder. i'd say they are the most useful of this type of working dog, although i do have a fondness for the great south georgia plantation bulldogs. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Mathieu J. Cama c...@oldworldauto.comwrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: she's been outside all day. i will probably bring her in at dark with the hope that the little adventure has been fully expunged. if she still feel sick, i'll just let her drink some more and then put her back outside this is one thing good about this dog. she will always come to you when she is in distress rather than let go inside. my other dog will just crap or puke where she is if she feels the urge. germans are clean like that! A German with the squirts... brings back nasty memories of my youth from when we had five of them around the shop. Browned chop meat and rice will take care of things if this does not stop on its own in 24 hours or so. From squirts to dust bombs! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the mighty german strikes again
taht was one of the few moments ever where i just couldn't control myself from falling over laughing. what a great film that was. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I had to stop myself from going into detail about Cartman's mom and how she earned a living. loll. On 01/08/2010 05:50 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: she's been outside all day. i will probably bring her in at dark with the hope that the little adventure has been fully expunged. if she still feel sick, i'll just let her drink some more and then put her back outside this is one thing good about this dog. she will always come to you when she is in distress rather than let go inside. my other dog will just crap or puke where she is if she feels the urge. germans are clean like that! On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: I'm sure in about another 2 hours your gonna find it a hell of alot less funny :D -Rolf On 01/08/2010 05:41 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: i found hot dog to be funny there On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Rolfr...@winmutt.com wrote: Maybe its because they get it tax free? -Rolf ps hotdog was the groaner of the day for me. On 01/08/2010 02:00 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: this morning the german wakes me up at 7:30 to be let out. so i let the dogs out i let them back in at 10. the german then asks to be let out again. very odd, but i don't know -- maybe she just likes the snow. at 1pm i go to cook lunch, which usually consists of some cheap source of animal protein covered in hot paprika fried in a little oil. i generally use cheap frozen fish from the church. (anyone ever figure this church selling food scam? i have an idea of what it is about, but not clear) the paprika is not on the counter. i find it on the living room floor. it is empty. the stupid german ate half a tin of hot hungarian paprika :( ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
gwinnett kinda sucks. i like it out here, but the government is just the pits. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Mathieu J. Cama c...@oldworldauto.comwrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Rolf wrote: I'm happy to hear most is OK. Count yourself lucky you had flood insurance at all... A friend neighbors mortgage company had said that he could cancel his, 2 months before his house was flooded in that storm :(... -Rolf All of our neighbors had no flood insurance. Granted they still have habitable homes, many of them did wind up with 5 figure losses. Our community pulled together to help one another out after the flood. We give thanks for the fact that we did have flood insurance as it seems it will turn out OK for the most part. Still it is not near enough to rebuild or replace what was lost and temporary housing is not part of the policy. Having our health is the key. The worst of it is the loss of family pictures and the like. The rest is just stuff, including the cars. It seems Cobb county is doing a good job of taking care of its habitants who were effected. Gwinnett county... well that is another story. My heart goes out to anyone who has gone through something like this. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I've done the job on 2 603's and 2 602s - doing all the valves at once, and never had a problem. I did follow the instructions to the letter, and was very careful. Some were leaking before, noe after. Never did notice any change in noise. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Doing them one by one and testing between on an OM606 is a major PITA; you have to pull all of the injector pipes and the manifold (for turbos, you have to remove the bolt securing the charge air pipe from the bottom) I believe the issue with warping the IP is due to the valve elements propensity for being off-center in the bores. If you carefully center the elements you may not have trouble. Disclaimer: I've only done the job once on each of the 2 OM606's that we have -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what all cars did you lose in the flood? Three... and it hurts to talk about it. I'll just say that the good ones are what are usually kept at home. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
