Re: [MBZ] Today's Work: Changing a W124's Headlight Switch

[Craig]

On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 20:51:52 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow!  I thought the old ones were a job!  They are a cakewalk 
> compared to that.  Still, Not quite as bad as having to do the 
> evaporator

Actually, I thought it was a fairly decent job to do. I actually felt
good about doing it. I cannot say that about changing the thermostat.
I definitely cannot say that about changing the power steering pump!

The instructions I got from Alex Chamberlain and Peter Frederick were
quite helpful. The pictures, of course, are even better for anyone else
who needs to do it.


Craig



> 
> 
> >Today's work was changing the '94 E420's headlight switch, about which
> >I asked about a month ago.
> >
> >I'll forego the detailed explanations and just attach the pictures,
> >since it's getting late.
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >--
> >Present:'94 E420Oskar  119 kmi
> > '82 240D/3.0Bluebell   264 kmi
> >Past:   '86 190E/2.3
> > '72 220/8
> > '64 190Dc   Emma
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Re: [MBZ] New Stereo for Red

[Benz Hogs]

Yes, down by the shifter.

 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)


On 3/6/2011 8:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Down by the shifter you mean? Almost as much hassle as removing the kick panel 
or dash cluster...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 16:47:34 -0600
From: "Luther's Benz"
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Stereo for Red
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If
  you remove the console pannel to access the fader switch, there are 4
connectors there, one for each speaker. Tap in there for clean
  access to your speakers without going into the dash.

Luther
-- Sent from my Palm Pre
On Mar 6, 2011 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Finally put a new headunit in the '84 190D today, the Becker Grand Prix (early 
one, I forget the model) was driving me crazy.

The
  new Kenwood (originally purchased for my now deceased '85 190D) has CD,
  USB and aux input. I sprang for the wiring kit so installation was
super easy. I wired in only the rear outputs leaving myself the easy
option of running independent wires to the front speakers and removing
the fader from the installation. I left the fader in for now as I was
too lazy to pull the driver's kick panel to run that wire, well mostly
its too rainy for me to be working with the door open...



Anyway more driving fun to come!



-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[David Bruckmann]

Finally dredged up my TDM. Boiled down version:

Non-turbos 123.123 (240D), 123.130 (300D), 123.190 (300TD) up to 1979: start in 
second, no kickdown unless full throttle applied.

1980 to September 1984: 123.12x; 123.13x and 123.19x (turbo and non-turbo): 
idle in second, kickdown to first with the slightest application of the 
accelerator.

October 1984 (= 1985 model year) to end of series 123: idle in first and start 
in first without any application of accelerator pedal. They will also shift 
down into first when approaching a standstill (at about 13km/h).

1985 California version is basically identical to Federal except that the 1-2 
shift happens at a slightly (2-5km/h) lower speed, and the stall speed on the 
torque converter is higher (2400-2700 vs 2100-2300 Federal). Other shift 
behaviour is same as Federal.

Curt Raymond wrote:
>My '84 190D doesn't kick down unless I cram down on the go pedal, even then 
>sometimes theres a long delay before it kicks down.

To Curt's point: oddly, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 (201.024) and 190D 2.2 (201.122), 
as well as a couple of Euro 123, 124 and 126 gasser models, start in second no 
matter the position of the shift lever. The only way to get into first is 
indeed to use the pedal to kick down. I assume this related to the shift gate 
being labelled D/3/2 instead of D/S/L.

So Curt, no adjustments needed on your 190D!

D.

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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[degcoast]

Cool. Thanks. Looks like we will have Dieselhead fries. I have thought about 
steaming clams in addition to chowdah.
Dwight
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:41:42 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Same thing!  Down in Cajun country the same one serves for seafood 
boil and for frying crawdaddy, or whatever.  Unless you want to 
spring for peanut oil, canola oil has a lower smoke point than soy 
oil.  Heat it to 375, add the fries a little at a time, just enough 
to keep the oil from boiling over.  When they are browned enough, 
pull em out.  Buy some popcorn salt to shake over them.  It is a 
finer grain, so it sticks better.  Regular salt will fall off.

>Sounds delicious. I was wondering about a propane seafood boil 
>kettle-they are common here  & have baskets-I don't know if they 
>would get hot enough for oil.
>Dwight
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>Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:05:52
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>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
>
>Got a turkey fryer?  If you can find a way to scoop em out, or have a
>basket, the fryer makes good fries.  I made white sweet tater fires
>for turkey day.  They were really good.
>
>I hand cut the fries with a 10" chef knife.
>
>x
>
>>We have a good time.
>>
>>I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite...
>>
>  >-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dieselhead]

Same thing!  Down in Cajun country the same one serves for seafood 
boil and for frying crawdaddy, or whatever.  Unless you want to 
spring for peanut oil, canola oil has a lower smoke point than soy 
oil.  Heat it to 375, add the fries a little at a time, just enough 
to keep the oil from boiling over.  When they are browned enough, 
pull em out.  Buy some popcorn salt to shake over them.  It is a 
finer grain, so it sticks better.  Regular salt will fall off.


Sounds delicious. I was wondering about a propane seafood boil 
kettle-they are common here  & have baskets-I don't know if they 
would get hot enough for oil.

Dwight
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:05:52
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Got a turkey fryer?  If you can find a way to scoop em out, or have a
basket, the fryer makes good fries.  I made white sweet tater fires
for turkey day.  They were really good.

I hand cut the fries with a 10" chef knife.

x


We have a good time.

I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite...


 >-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[degcoast]

Sounds delicious. I was wondering about a propane seafood boil kettle-they are 
common here  & have baskets-I don't know if they would get hot enough for oil.
Dwight
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:05:52 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Got a turkey fryer?  If you can find a way to scoop em out, or have a 
basket, the fryer makes good fries.  I made white sweet tater fires 
for turkey day.  They were really good.

I hand cut the fries with a 10" chef knife.

x

>We have a good time.
>
>I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite...
>
>-Curt
>
>Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:52:50 -0800 (PST)
>From: Dimitri Seretakis 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
>Message-ID: <806540.7872...@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Thanks Curt. I'm not sure why I missed this event all these years. 
>Sounds like fun. I'll try my best to make it.
>Dimitri
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Mar 6, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>In case you did miss it:
>
>ChowdaQ 2010: 
>http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/
>
>ChowdaQ 2009: 
>http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/
>
>ChowdaQ 2008: 
>http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/
>
>-Curt
>
>
>  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dieselhead]

Got a turkey fryer?  If you can find a way to scoop em out, or have a 
basket, the fryer makes good fries.  I made white sweet tater fires 
for turkey day.  They were really good.


I hand cut the fries with a 10" chef knife.

x


We have a good time.

I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:52:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thanks Curt. I'm not sure why I missed this event all these years. 
Sounds like fun. I'll try my best to make it.

Dimitri

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

In case you did miss it:

ChowdaQ 2010: 
http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/


ChowdaQ 2009: 
http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/


ChowdaQ 2008: 
http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/


-Curt


 
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Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement

[Dieselhead]

Why?

After 25-30 years, the rubber gets rotten
After 20-30 years and 200-400K miles, they are worn out.  When the 
turbo is running, , it may be true that the small pressure boost may 
help prevent oil loss, but how much time does your engine spend with 
the turbo not at full boost/low boost/no boost?


It will cut smoking
It will lower oil consumption

On my high mile SDL, the only major things I did was a new timing 
chain and I replaced the valve seals at 315K  M/L.




So why are you doing it?

Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks 
on here (Dave M?) who claimed it was required...


-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:09:41 -0500
From: glenn brown 
To: 
Subject: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


I'm
 still pondering whether or not I should attempt replacing the valve
stem seals on my '85 300TD and, for anyone who is familiar with this
job, is the assembly mandrel for valve stem seals tool (617 589 00 43
00) necessary or can the seals be installed without using this special
tool?  TIA.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   




 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Work: Changing a W124's Headlight Switch

[Dieselhead]

Wow!  I thought the old ones were a job!  They are a cakewalk 
compared to that.  Still, Not quite as bad as having to do the 
evaporator




Today's work was changing the '94 E420's headlight switch, about which I
asked about a month ago.

I'll forego the detailed explanations and just attach the pictures, since
it's getting late.


Craig

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'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   264 kmi
Past:   '86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
'64 190Dc   Emma
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Re: [MBZ] Changing the thermostat on the E420

[OK Don]

Good write-up and photo series. Which reminds me, there is a leak around the
water pump on the ML320 -- which is only 1½ years old. This means that the
indie shop that replaced it botched the job. I can't see around the pump
well enough to tell exactly where it's coming from, but there aren't many
other options in the neighborhood. I did have to add a quart or so of
coolant tonight to top off the tank - that was getting near the the min
mark, so it's not too bad a leak - that was lost over 6 months or so. I'll
add the gasket set for the water pump to the Rusty list --- and the job to
my list.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Craig  wrote:

> Since I got the '94 E420 running, I noticed that its temperature was low
> when it was cold outside. A few weeks ago, I changed the thermostat and
> found more joy under the hood. :-)
>
> I took pictures of the process and have attached them.
>
> Picture 0  shows the overall view of the engine compartment after I
>   started. I took the upper radiator hose off the engine and
>   rotated it vertically to keep antifreeze from draining out.
>   I had already taken off the part to which the upper radiator
>   hose attached, thinking that that was where the thermostat
>   was. I was wrong. (You can see the aluminum casting sitting
>   on the left distributor cover just above the power steering
>   fluid reservoir.)
>
> Picture 1  shows a close-up of the mating parts to that which I removed.
>   I should have put the part back on, but I left it off thinking
>   I would need the extra room.
>
> Picture 2  shows where the thermostat is (it's in the part to which the
>   large rubber ell hose connects -- at this point, though, I
>   wasn't entirely sure, thanks to the WONDERFUL W124 manuals).
>
> Picture 3  shows the tightening screw of the lower hose clamp that needs
>   to be loosened.
>
> Picture 4  shows the ell hose off and the back screw of the thermostat
>   housing being removed. The engine oil dip stick needs to be
>   forcibly pushed out of the way.
>
> Picture 5  shows the custom tool needed to hook under the bottom lip of
>   the ell hose and pull it up to loosen the bond of the rubber to
>   the aluminum and remove it from its lower connection. This tool
>   was actually made to twist the steel wire ties around re-bar
>   when one is preparing the steel work for reinforced concrete.
>   Since I had done that kind of work in the past, I had one
>   around.
>
> Picture 6  shows the tool needed to pull the thermostat out of its
>   housing. The joint between the thermostat and the hose adaptor
>   that attaches over it is with a small o-ring that the hose
>   adaptor compresses against the thermostat and outer housing. If
>   it's been there awhile, it doesn't want to come out!
>
> Picture 7  show the thermostat out! Even if it had been good, it is now
>   headed for the trash can.
>
> Picture 8  shows another view of the area with the thermostat out.
>
> Picture 9  shows the thermostat in and the large ell hose reconnected.
>   Getting the hose back on was even more fun than getting it off,
>   since it's so short and overlaps the hose adaptors on both of
>   its ends by a large percentage of its length. Recall that I
>   said the dip stick needed to be pushed forcibly out of the way?
>   If you're not careful, you can push the plastic end of the dip
>   stick and break it off, like I did. Fortunately, it's sealed
>   by o-rings, so nothing will get down into the pan. My neighbor
>   said changing the thermostat on his big Chevy van was a real
>   bear of a job, so I guess I don't feel so bad. The W123 617 is
>   so much nicer, though.
>
> Picture 10 Remember when I said I should have put back on the piece I
>   originally took off? When its off, the gasket, which has
>   adhered to the part still attached to the block, can be
>   damaged and you get to make a new one. Here's the start of the
>   process.
>
> Picture 11 shows the completed gasket on the part it is to seal.
>
> Picture 12 shows the part ready with Permatex 6B blue silicone to receive
>   the gasket.
>
> Picture 13 shows the gasket on the part and with a coat of Permatex,
>   ready to be put back on the engine. After this point, it's
>   trivial.
>
>
> Craig
>
> --
>
OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley  writes:

> Nobody bought the 1964 190D project either:
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2242666037.html

And if you don't want that money pit, there's this one:

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2247755027.html

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!

[degcoast]

Well I have thought about that. A stick 240D is as solid and dependable as you 
can get. Maybe I will be tired of the 300CD by the ChowdaQ.
Dwight
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-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond 
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:59:56 
To: Diesel List
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW:  2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!

And I flogged it 110 miles a day most of the summer and fall until the 190D 
came on line. Just took it to my in-laws this evening, it sat all week and 
fired right up no issue.

I'll trade it for your 300CD anytime you want! ;)

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:37:53 -0500
From: "Dwight Giles Jr." 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] FW:  2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!
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Dimitri and others 
Here is the old post with the link to the photos from 2010.
I hear you about the  240D-all jokes aside -I pounded my 79 between South
County RI and Boston -mostly on I 95 for about 7 years-300-500 miles a week.
I miss that car. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[degcoast]

We need to find a propane fired fry kettle.
Dwight
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From: Curt Raymond 
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 18:05:09 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

We have a good time.

I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:52:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
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Thanks Curt. I'm not sure why I missed this event all these years. Sounds like 
fun. I'll try my best to make it.
Dimitri

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

In case you did miss it:

ChowdaQ 2010: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/

ChowdaQ 2009: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/

ChowdaQ 2008: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/

-Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Curt Raymond]

We have a good time.

I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:52:50 -0800 (PST)
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Thanks Curt. I'm not sure why I missed this event all these years. Sounds like 
fun. I'll try my best to make it.
Dimitri

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

In case you did miss it:

ChowdaQ 2010: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/

ChowdaQ 2009: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/

ChowdaQ 2008: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/

-Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] New Stereo for Red

[Curt Raymond]

Down by the shifter you mean? Almost as much hassle as removing the kick panel 
or dash cluster...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 16:47:34 -0600
From: "Luther's Benz" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Stereo for Red
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If
 you remove the console pannel to access the fader switch, there are 4 
connectors there, one for each speaker.  Tap in there for clean
 access to your speakers without going into the dash.

Luther
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On Mar 6, 2011 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote: 

Finally put a new headunit in the '84 190D today, the Becker Grand Prix (early 
one, I forget the model) was driving me crazy.

The
 new Kenwood (originally purchased for my now deceased '85 190D) has CD,
 USB and aux input. I sprang for the wiring kit so installation was 
super easy. I wired in only the rear outputs leaving myself the easy 
option of running independent wires to the front speakers and removing 
the fader from the installation. I left the fader in for now as I was 
too lazy to pull the driver's kick panel to run that wire, well mostly 
its too rainy for me to be working with the door open...



Anyway more driving fun to come!



-Curt




  
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Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement

[Curt Raymond]

So why are you doing it?

Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks on here 
(Dave M?) who claimed it was required...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:09:41 -0500
From: glenn brown 
To: 
Subject: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


I'm
 still pondering whether or not I should attempt replacing the valve 
stem seals on my '85 300TD and, for anyone who is familiar with this 
job, is the assembly mandrel for valve stem seals tool (617 589 00 43 
00) necessary or can the seals be installed without using this special 
tool?  TIA.
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC    



  
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[David Bruckmann]

Indeed, the pre-1980 (722.1) diesel transmissions started in second unless you 
mash the pedal to force a kickdown. That would have applied to the early 240D 
and non-turbo 300D up to and including 1979. The 126 diesels did the cable 
kickdown from the beginning of the series (1981). Not sure about the post-1980 
240D, but I'm pretty certain that all the 1980 and later 617s did it, including 
the 1980 non-turbo 300D and presumably the 1980 W116 diesel. 


On 2011-03-06 Jim Cathey wrote:

> The Albatross (240D) started exclusively in second, unless
> you either floored it or moved the shifter to L.  If you
> drove around in S (as most in-town driving is best done
> at) it was essentially a 2-speed tranny.
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] FW: 2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!

[Curt Raymond]

And I flogged it 110 miles a day most of the summer and fall until the 190D 
came on line. Just took it to my in-laws this evening, it sat all week and 
fired right up no issue.

I'll trade it for your 300CD anytime you want! ;)

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:37:53 -0500
From: "Dwight Giles Jr." 
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Subject: [MBZ] FW:  2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!
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Dimitri and others 
Here is the old post with the link to the photos from 2010.
I hear you about the  240D-all jokes aside -I pounded my 79 between South
County RI and Boston -mostly on I 95 for about 7 years-300-500 miles a week.
I miss that car. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


  
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Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod

[Jim Cathey]

The part I don't understand about your MC issues is that there isn't a 
bleed port on the MC. The system bleeds entirely through the slave, 
which is why you must pressure bleed it.


The system, by the book, bleeds entirely through the MC, back
to the reservoir.  You use the lower bleed screw to hook to
a brake bleeder, and pressurize it that way.  Has worked every
time for me this way.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI

[Hendrik & Fay]

Hmmnh, makes no mention of rust, betcha the bottom is pretty much rusted 
out.


Hendrik
who hates rust, bloody useless stuff

Mitch Haley wrote:



Nobody bought the 1964 190D project either:
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2242666037.html




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[MBZ] Today's Work: Changing a W124's Headlight Switch

[Craig]

Today's work was changing the '94 E420's headlight switch, about which I
asked about a month ago.

I'll forego the detailed explanations and just attach the pictures, since
it's getting late.


Craig

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'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   264 kmi
Past:   '86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
'64 190Dc   Emma
'72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi
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[MBZ] Changing the thermostat on the E420

[Craig]

Since I got the '94 E420 running, I noticed that its temperature was low
when it was cold outside. A few weeks ago, I changed the thermostat and
found more joy under the hood. :-)

I took pictures of the process and have attached them.

Picture 0  shows the overall view of the engine compartment after I
   started. I took the upper radiator hose off the engine and
   rotated it vertically to keep antifreeze from draining out.
   I had already taken off the part to which the upper radiator
   hose attached, thinking that that was where the thermostat
   was. I was wrong. (You can see the aluminum casting sitting
   on the left distributor cover just above the power steering
   fluid reservoir.)

Picture 1  shows a close-up of the mating parts to that which I removed.
   I should have put the part back on, but I left it off thinking
   I would need the extra room.

Picture 2  shows where the thermostat is (it's in the part to which the
   large rubber ell hose connects -- at this point, though, I
   wasn't entirely sure, thanks to the WONDERFUL W124 manuals).

Picture 3  shows the tightening screw of the lower hose clamp that needs
   to be loosened.

Picture 4  shows the ell hose off and the back screw of the thermostat
   housing being removed. The engine oil dip stick needs to be
   forcibly pushed out of the way.

Picture 5  shows the custom tool needed to hook under the bottom lip of
   the ell hose and pull it up to loosen the bond of the rubber to
   the aluminum and remove it from its lower connection. This tool
   was actually made to twist the steel wire ties around re-bar
   when one is preparing the steel work for reinforced concrete.
   Since I had done that kind of work in the past, I had one
   around.

Picture 6  shows the tool needed to pull the thermostat out of its
   housing. The joint between the thermostat and the hose adaptor
   that attaches over it is with a small o-ring that the hose
   adaptor compresses against the thermostat and outer housing. If
   it's been there awhile, it doesn't want to come out!

Picture 7  show the thermostat out! Even if it had been good, it is now
   headed for the trash can.

Picture 8  shows another view of the area with the thermostat out.

Picture 9  shows the thermostat in and the large ell hose reconnected.
   Getting the hose back on was even more fun than getting it off,
   since it's so short and overlaps the hose adaptors on both of
   its ends by a large percentage of its length. Recall that I
   said the dip stick needed to be pushed forcibly out of the way?
   If you're not careful, you can push the plastic end of the dip
   stick and break it off, like I did. Fortunately, it's sealed
   by o-rings, so nothing will get down into the pan. My neighbor
   said changing the thermostat on his big Chevy van was a real
   bear of a job, so I guess I don't feel so bad. The W123 617 is
   so much nicer, though.

Picture 10 Remember when I said I should have put back on the piece I
   originally took off? When its off, the gasket, which has
   adhered to the part still attached to the block, can be
   damaged and you get to make a new one. Here's the start of the
   process.

Picture 11 shows the completed gasket on the part it is to seal.

Picture 12 shows the part ready with Permatex 6B blue silicone to receive
   the gasket.

Picture 13 shows the gasket on the part and with a coat of Permatex,
   ready to be put back on the engine. After this point, it's
   trivial.


Craig

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'72 220/8
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Re: [MBZ] Way Back Machine

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its amazing the amount of black smoke coming out of that thing 
when it takes off


On 3/6/2011 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
It was a DC-9 owned by Purdue Airlines (and based at the Purdue 
Airport!), leased to Hef.  When I was in school, it was parked 
near the Aero Lab hanger a good bit of the time.  Never got to 
get on it though, boo.


--R

On 3/6/2011 8:25 AM, LWB250 wrote:
Mitch posted this great video of Hef and the Playboy 727. 
What's even better is seeing his 600LWB and the huge VTR in the 
plane playing "Playboy After Dark"...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNEyvJgfKfM&feature=autofb

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement

[Dieselhead]

Do it.  No special tools required.  You will like the results, if you 
have smoke on startup.
Rule #1  USE ONLY OEM SEALS!  Rusty has em. OE seals are cheaper than 
FLAPS seals, and better.


Take off the valve cover, remove the tensioner for the chain.  Remove 
the valve followers.  now come the choices:


1.  You can leave the cam in place and work around it.
2.  You can remove the cam with the sprocket wired to the cam.
3.  You can replace the cam temporarily with a stub.
What is handy is if you have access to a dead camshaft.  Cut it off 
behind the first cam bearing.  keep the front end.   throw away the 
back end.


What you have to do is work on one cyl at a time (two on a 4 cyl) 
with the piston at TDC.
So, set #1 to TDC.  You check TDC by pushing down a valve with a 
screwdriver.  You should feel a solid thud as the valve hits the 
piston.  This is necessary to hold up the valves while you work.  You 
don't want to drop a valve in the hole.


What is handy is if you have access to a dead camshaft.  Cut it off 
behind the first cam bearing.  keep the front end.   throw away the 
back end.


Wire the chain to the cam sprocket in at least two places, so it 
can't jump a tooth.


If you choose #1, you are ready
If you choose #2, what you want to do after the shaft is out, is 
keep the wires tight when you need to rotate the crank.  You will 
take one wire out and put it in the next hole of the sprocket as you 
turn the crank.  The sprocket will just ride on top of the chain 
guides.


If you choose #3, pull the cam and replace it with the stub.

When you are ready with #1 at TDC, Loosen the lock nuts on the valve 
stems, remove the nut, lock nut, rotator, washer, and spring.  DON"T 
reverse the INTAKE and EXHAUST parts.  (or just do one valve at a 
time)  Then, pry off the old seal, install the new seal and 
reassemble.


After that, follow the firing order.  They should all be done in 
about 290 degrees on a 5 cyl.


Reassemble, set the clearances.

Good luck.



I'm still pondering whether or not I should attempt replacing the 
valve stem seals on my '85 300TD and, for anyone who is familiar 
with this job, is the assembly mandrel for valve stem seals tool 
(617 589 00 43 00) necessary or can the seals be installed without 
using this special tool?  TIA.


G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC			  		 
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Thanks Curt. I'm not sure why I missed this event all these years. Sounds like 
fun. I'll try my best to make it.
Dimitri

Sent from my iPhone

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In case you did miss it:

ChowdaQ 2010: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/

ChowdaQ 2009: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/

ChowdaQ 2008: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:46:28 -0500
From: "Dwight Giles Jr." 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
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Oh-OK-that's about the same distance- probably an hour and half (unless you
are driving a 240D.)  Well we have had a lot of fun the last three years
even when we dodged raindrops.  I trust you saw the photos from last year on
Curt's blog. We  will keep you in the loop as we send out details &
directions  this summer


Dwight Giles Jr.(Formerly had two 240D's) 
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] New Stereo for Red

[Luther's Benz]

If you remove the console pannel to access the fader switch, there are 4 
connectors there, one for each speaker.  Tap in there for clean access to 
your speakers without going into the dash.

Luther
-- Sent from my Palm Pre
On Mar 6, 2011 4:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote: 

Finally put a new headunit in the '84 190D today, the Becker Grand Prix (early 
one, I forget the model) was driving me crazy.

The new Kenwood (originally purchased for my now deceased '85 190D) has CD, USB 
and aux input. I sprang for the wiring kit so installation was super easy. I 
wired in only the rear outputs leaving myself the easy option of running 
independent wires to the front speakers and removing the fader from the 
installation. I left the fader in for now as I was too lazy to pull the 
driver's kick panel to run that wire, well mostly its too rainy for me to be 
working with the door open...



Anyway more driving fun to come!



-Curt







  

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[MBZ] New Stereo for Red

[Curt Raymond]

Finally put a new headunit in the '84 190D today, the Becker Grand Prix (early 
one, I forget the model) was driving me crazy.
The new Kenwood (originally purchased for my now deceased '85 190D) has CD, USB 
and aux input. I sprang for the wiring kit so installation was super easy. I 
wired in only the rear outputs leaving myself the easy option of running 
independent wires to the front speakers and removing the fader from the 
installation. I left the fader in for now as I was too lazy to pull the 
driver's kick panel to run that wire, well mostly its too rainy for me to be 
working with the door open...

Anyway more driving fun to come!

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Curt Raymond]

In case you did miss it:

ChowdaQ 2010: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/

ChowdaQ 2009: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/

ChowdaQ 2008: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:46:28 -0500
From: "Dwight Giles Jr." 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
Message-ID: <000a01cbdc37$2f7d3d80$8e77b880$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Oh-OK-that's about the same distance- probably an hour and half (unless you
are driving a 240D.)  Well we have had a lot of fun the last three years
even when we dodged raindrops.  I trust you saw the photos from last year on
Curt's blog. We  will keep you in the loop as we send out details &
directions  this summer


Dwight Giles Jr.(Formerly had two 240D's) 
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


  
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[MBZ] valve stem seals replacement

[glenn brown]

I'm still pondering whether or not I should attempt replacing the valve stem 
seals on my '85 300TD and, for anyone who is familiar with this job, is the 
assembly mandrel for valve stem seals tool (617 589 00 43 00) necessary or can 
the seals be installed without using this special tool?  TIA.
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   
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Re: [MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor

[Mountain Man]

I think I heard some banned language there... but I don't really
understand norwegian.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> The part I don't understand about your MC issues is that there isn't a bleed 
> port on the MC. The system bleeds entirely through the slave, which is why 
> you must pressure bleed it.
>

Mine is a one way line from MC to slave.  The bleed in the MC is at
the top of the cylinder travel and bleeds back up to the brake
reservoir/MC feed.  The cylinder must get past the port to allow fluid
expansion back up from the slave up to the brake reservoir.  The first
MC we tried did not have that required travel.  The one from the
dealer allowed the pedal to be relaxed and the cylinder to open
(bleed) to brake reservoir atmosphere (fine tune with eccentric).
With system in this configuration, we can bleed the slave back up thru
the MC to brake reservoir, and this allows for fluid expansion.  Maybe
I have this arrangement in mind messed up - maybe I'm confused - but
that is what I recall, plus dealer part worked.  That sez nothing
about our list supplier, just that the numbers never got me to the
correct part.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[andrew strasfogel]

The subject llne for this thread need to be edited to include the DATE

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
>> I never saw photos. Which is Curt's website? I'll likely be taking the
>> 240D...but I push that baby to the limit as I drive it from Maine to DC and
>> back  once or twice a month!
>>
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
> > This year's ChowdaQ blew all expectations, 10 MB's (2 of "other" marques)
> with 15 people. We even had 3 previous unknowns from the PeachParts gang.
> >
> >
> > We had our wides variety of chow yet, Dwight started us off with A1
> Chowda, Fred brought the greens and I cooked up a variety of meats including
> terriaki beef skewers, chicken kabobs, burgers, hot dogs and spicy moose
> sausage (no joke!) Tom rounded out the day with fresh espresso to settle our
> stomachs.
> >
> > Awards we given for jalopys, not so jalopys, story telling expertise and
> cooking expertise (that might be a stretch) complete with impressive trophys
> Burt provided. Door prizes included a polo shirt donated by Rusty, a copy of
> "The Star and the Laurel" from Dwight and a new in box MB hood star from
> Fred.
> >
> > Several test drives were taken and comparisons made to cars current and
> past and a fine time was had by all.
> >
> > You can see the results on Photobucket:
> http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ%202010/
> >
> >
> > A big thanks to Burt who bailed me out as I forgot my camera!
> >
> > -Curt
>
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

Well said, Mitch, although Jaime makes a  good case to leave well enough
alone

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car?  I don't see
>> any
>> need to change anything unless the engine or transmission has some very
>> serious failure.  In fact, such a swap would decrease the value of the
>> car.
>>  I say leave it, maintain it and enjoy.
>>
>>
> The very serious failure is somebody putting a 300D engine in a 300TD and
> killing the SLS. This has devalued the car to the point where Andrew has
> decided that he must put it right, and he's been searching for a proper 1985
> TD engine/tranny ever since.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

Ernest, your assessment is spot-on.  The improvements solely for the 1985
model year 300TD that you enumerated necessitate my searching for only that
year for an engine swap out.


On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:55 PM, ernest breakfield <
erne...@backyardengineering.org> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
>i think the present owner is confused.
>as i understand it (at least with our '85 300D), the injection pump and
> trans/torque converter are unique to the '85 vs earlier 300Ds, as may be the
> rear differential ratio. (i'm not sure if the rear dif is the same in the TD
> or not.)
>the '85 Calif version also has the Particulate Trap, so it also has a
> different set of manifolds and a different air filter setup than the Federal
> (49 state) '85s. i've never heard that there was any difference in what gear
> they start out in from anything else like them, but am admittedly not as
> familiar with all the rest.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>
> On 05/Mar/11 20:23, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today.  However,
>> it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air
>> cleaner.  The owner says that the transmission is also different than the
>> normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear.  I was wondering
>> whether
>> I could swap out this engine with the 1985 300D engine in my wagon and
>> mate
>> it with that (normal) 1985 transmission without a lot of custom work.
>>  Good
>> idea or not?
>>
>> Anderw
>> 1983 30TD
>> 1985 300TD with 300D engine and regular rear suspension
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[MBZ] FW: 2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!

[Dwight Giles Jr.]

Dimitri and others 
Here is the old post with the link to the photos from 2010.
I hear you about the  240D-all jokes aside -I pounded my 79 between South
County RI and Boston -mostly on I 95 for about 7 years-300-500 miles a week.
I miss that car. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 5:56 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] 2010 ChowdaQ a smashing success!

This year's ChowdaQ blew all expectations, 10 MB's (2 of "other" marques)
with 15 people. We even had 3 previous unknowns from the PeachParts gang.


We had our wides variety of chow yet, Dwight started us off with A1 Chowda,
Fred brought the greens and I cooked up a variety of meats including
terriaki beef skewers, chicken kabobs, burgers, hot dogs and spicy moose
sausage (no joke!) Tom rounded out the day with fresh espresso to settle our
stomachs.

Awards we given for jalopys, not so jalopys, story telling expertise and
cooking expertise (that might be a stretch) complete with impressive trophys
Burt provided. Door prizes included a polo shirt donated by Rusty, a copy of
"The Star and the Laurel" from Dwight and a new in box MB hood star from
Fred.

Several test drives were taken and comparisons made to cars current and past
and a fine time was had by all.

You can see the results on Photobucket: 

http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ%202010/



A big thanks to Burt who bailed me out as I forgot my camera!

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Mitch Haley]

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

I never saw photos. Which is Curt's website? I'll likely be taking the 
240D...but I push that baby to the limit as I drive it from Maine to DC and 
back  once or twice a month!


Curt Raymond wrote:
> This year's ChowdaQ blew all expectations, 10 MB's (2 of "other" marques) 
with 15 people. We even had 3 previous unknowns from the PeachParts gang.

>
>
> We had our wides variety of chow yet, Dwight started us off with A1 Chowda, 
Fred brought the greens and I cooked up a variety of meats including terriaki 
beef skewers, chicken kabobs, burgers, hot dogs and spicy moose sausage (no 
joke!) Tom rounded out the day with fresh espresso to settle our stomachs.

>
> Awards we given for jalopys, not so jalopys, story telling expertise and 
cooking expertise (that might be a stretch) complete with impressive trophys 
Burt provided. Door prizes included a polo shirt donated by Rusty, a copy of 
"The Star and the Laurel" from Dwight and a new in box MB hood star from Fred.

>
> Several test drives were taken and comparisons made to cars current and past 
and a fine time was had by all.

>
> You can see the results on Photobucket: 
http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ%202010/

>
>
> A big thanks to Burt who bailed me out as I forgot my camera!
>
> -Curt
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I never saw photos. Which is Curt's website? I'll likely be taking the 
240D...but I push that baby to the limit as I drive it from Maine to DC and 
back  once or twice a month!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 2:46 PM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Oh-OK-that's about the same distance- probably an hour and half (unless you
are driving a 240D.)  Well we have had a lot of fun the last three years
even when we dodged raindrops.  I trust you saw the photos from last year on
Curt's blog. We  will keep you in the loop as we send out details &
directions  this summer


Dwight Giles Jr.(Formerly had two 240D's) 
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:41 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

I'm in Weston. Sounds like this could be fun!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:25 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote:

We'd love to have you. Where are you?
Dwight
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Dimitri Seretakis 
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:22:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Hmmm. Might have to make it out there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:55 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the
near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north & east from Wickford-
it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown.
It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[ernest breakfield]

Andrew,

i think the present owner is confused.
as i understand it (at least with our '85 300D), the injection pump 
and trans/torque converter are unique to the '85 vs earlier 300Ds, as 
may be the rear differential ratio. (i'm not sure if the rear dif is the 
same in the TD or not.)
the '85 Calif version also has the Particulate Trap, so it also has 
a different set of manifolds and a different air filter setup than the 
Federal (49 state) '85s. i've never heard that there was any difference 
in what gear they start out in from anything else like them, but am 
admittedly not as familiar with all the rest.



cheers!
e


On 05/Mar/11 20:23, andrew strasfogel wrote:

I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today.  However,
it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air
cleaner.  The owner says that the transmission is also different than the
normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear.  I was wondering whether
I could swap out this engine with the 1985 300D engine in my wagon and mate
it with that (normal) 1985 transmission without a lot of custom work.  Good
idea or not?

Anderw
1983 30TD
1985 300TD with 300D engine and regular rear suspension
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dwight Giles Jr.]

Oh-OK-that's about the same distance- probably an hour and half (unless you
are driving a 240D.)  Well we have had a lot of fun the last three years
even when we dodged raindrops.  I trust you saw the photos from last year on
Curt's blog. We  will keep you in the loop as we send out details &
directions  this summer


Dwight Giles Jr.(Formerly had two 240D's) 
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:41 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

I'm in Weston. Sounds like this could be fun!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:25 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote:

We'd love to have you. Where are you?
Dwight
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:22:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Hmmm. Might have to make it out there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:55 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the
near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north & east from Wickford-
it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown.
It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI
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On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


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How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] Way Back Machine

[LWB250]

I didn't catch the 8 track.  I did, however, catch the movie title.  Think the 
choice of movies was intentional?

Poos who visited the Playboy Club at Lake Geneva on a family (yes, family!) 
vacation

--- On Sun, 3/6/11, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> From: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way Back Machine
> To: "Diesel List" 
> Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 11:31 AM
> I dunno the 1" video player and
> rockin 8 track audio are pretty fun, as is the film
> projector. All the AV in that plane could be taken care of
> by a laptop now, and not even a particularly expensive one.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:25:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: LWB250 
> To: Banned ,
> Okie Benz 
> Subject: [MBZ] Way Back Machine
> Message-ID: <175030.13024...@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Mitch
>  posted this great video of Hef and the Playboy 727. What's
> even better 
> is seeing his 600LWB and the huge VTR in the plane playing
> "Playboy 
> After Dark"...
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNEyvJgfKfM&feature=autofb
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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[MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI

[Mitch Haley]

http://centralmich.craigslist.org/cto/2245688857.html

And the Big Yellow Taxi is still for sale, now with 'over 35mpg':
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/2243489274.html

Nobody bought the 1964 190D project either:
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2242666037.html

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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Ah... I get it... so the CA 300TD would supply the engine for his current
300TD... its all clear now.  Carry on!

Jaime


On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>> What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car?  I don't see
>> any
>> need to change anything unless the engine or transmission has some very
>> serious failure.  In fact, such a swap would decrease the value of the
>> car.
>>  I say leave it, maintain it and enjoy.
>>
>>
> The very serious failure is somebody putting a 300D engine in a 300TD and
> killing the SLS. This has devalued the car to the point where Andrew has
> decided that he must put it right, and he's been searching for a proper 1985
> TD engine/tranny ever since.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Mitch Haley]

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Andrew,
What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car?  I don't see any
need to change anything unless the engine or transmission has some very
serious failure.  In fact, such a swap would decrease the value of the car.
 I say leave it, maintain it and enjoy.



The very serious failure is somebody putting a 300D engine in a 300TD and 
killing the SLS. This has devalued the car to the point where Andrew has decided 
that he must put it right, and he's been searching for a proper 1985 TD 
engine/tranny ever since.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Andrew is this your new 300TD?

[Curt Raymond]

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/2193059840.html

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Curt Raymond]

What about the "while you're at it" costs? Like, if you're going to have the 
head off anyway you might as well go through it and check everything and 
replace guides and whatnot. Then you might as well ream the ridge on the engine 
and maybe consider rings and hone...

Depending on how long you intend to keep such a car you might end up spending 
several thousand on it but on the other hand you'd end up with a great engine.

-Curt


Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:52:11 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
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For my money, changing the head is easier/cheaper than changing the 
engine or engine/trans combo.
This is most likely borne out is flat rate manuals for inline 4,5,6 
cyl engines.  It also needs no engine hoist.

For the air cooled horizontally opposed VWs, and some other things, 
the engine removal is easier.

YMMV


  
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Andrew,
What is wrong with the engine and transmission in the car?  I don't see any
need to change anything unless the engine or transmission has some very
serious failure.  In fact, such a swap would decrease the value of the car.
 I say leave it, maintain it and enjoy.

Jaime

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:23 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> I have been looking for a 1985 300TD and checked one out today.  However,
> it's the CA version 300TD with a catalytic converter and different air
> cleaner.  The owner says that the transmission is also different than the
> normal 1985s, and that the car starts in 2nd gear.  I was wondering whether
> I could swap out this engine with the 1985 300D engine in my wagon and mate
> it with that (normal) 1985 transmission without a lot of custom work.  Good
> idea or not?
>
> Anderw
> 1983 30TD
> 1985 300TD with 300D engine and regular rear suspension
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Re: [MBZ] Way Back Machine

[Curt Raymond]

I dunno the 1" video player and rockin 8 track audio are pretty fun, as is the 
film projector. All the AV in that plane could be taken care of by a laptop 
now, and not even a particularly expensive one.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:25:14 -0800 (PST)
From: LWB250 
To: Banned , Okie Benz 
Subject: [MBZ] Way Back Machine
Message-ID: <175030.13024...@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Mitch
 posted this great video of Hef and the Playboy 727. What's even better 
is seeing his 600LWB and the huge VTR in the plane playing "Playboy 
After Dark"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNEyvJgfKfM&feature=autofb

Dan


  
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Re: [MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor

[Rich Thomas]

Killed Merle Watson, but ol Doc is still going.

--R

On 3/6/2011 12:20 AM, Craig wrote:

On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 00:08:49 EST relng...@aol.com wrote:


www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2011/how-to-get-tractor-out-of-mud-p1.php

Nice work. The comments about the tractor flipping backward are to be
paid close attention. When my father was a doctor in Miles City, Montana
in 1954, a fellow tried to do the same thing with his tractor, but the
tractor flipped over and killed him.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Curt Raymond]

My '84 190D doesn't kick down unless I cram down on the go pedal, even then 
sometimes theres a long delay before it kicks down.

In the spring I need to spend some quality time adjusting things I think...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 21:38:11 -0800
From: David Bruckmann 
To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Message-ID: <42bf987e-d814-4457-b474-508e9b38d...@transcontinental.ca>
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Whether
 it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple 
misunderstanding on the part of the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the 
722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay in second when
 stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick 
down to first. You should be able to feel this behaviour by taking your 
foot off the brake at standstill and see what the creep is like vs 
having the shift lever in "L". And frankly, on most of them the 
modulator and transmission are worn enough that you can feel the "bump" 
when it kicks down to first. If it doesn't kick down, the cable probably
 just needs adjusting. 

It wouldn't surprise me that the PO 
wouldn't be aware of the above: I've met plenty of "Mercedes mechanics" 
who didn't know it either.

Personally I love the earlier 
transmissions that start in second and do NOT kick down unless forced, 
because every time it doesn't shift is one less bit of wear on that 
band/clutch pack. As you know, the 85 has a higher stall speed on the 
torque convertor, so it should be even more capable of starting in 
second without seeming sluggish. And you could always kick down if you 
needed the extra kick... But as I said, I suspect this is probably just 
the PO not understanding that the design is for it to be in second to 
prevent creep, but then to kick down immediately when you apply the 
accelerator... 

The TDM will clarify what the normal build was for that year, but I don't have 
it with me to check. 


  
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Re: [MBZ] Way Back Machine

[Rich Thomas]

It was a DC-9 owned by Purdue Airlines (and based at the Purdue 
Airport!), leased to Hef.  When I was in school, it was parked near the 
Aero Lab hanger a good bit of the time.  Never got to get on it though, boo.


--R

On 3/6/2011 8:25 AM, LWB250 wrote:

Mitch posted this great video of Hef and the Playboy 727. What's even better is seeing 
his 600LWB and the huge VTR in the plane playing "Playboy After Dark"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNEyvJgfKfM&feature=autofb

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor

[Curt Raymond]

Not a new technique.
Hundreds, maybe even thousands of farmers have been killed trying this though, 
its easy for the tractor to flip and crush the operator.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 00:08:49 EST
From: relng...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] How a Norwegian farmer rescues his (diesel) tractor
Message-ID: <2ac10.cdb7bcc.3aa47...@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2011/how-to-get-tractor-out-of-mud-p1.php





  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Curt Raymond]

New England goes on for another 500 miles north by the time you hit the end of 
Maine...

Fly in, you can go from PDX to PVD cheap on Southwest...


-Curt

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:06:06 -0700
From: Bob Rentfro 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
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I think that is as far away from my house as you can be without being in
saltwater.

Bob R


  
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Curt Raymond]

Because of the shape of the highways unless you go through Canada you pretty 
much have to go through MA to go to Maine and RI is just half an hour or so 
south of where the east/west and north/south highways meet. Just reschedule 
your trip, easy this far out.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:37:16 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
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How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there 
sometime but I think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
> A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
> up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
> Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.


  
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Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod

[Curt Raymond]

The part I don't understand about your MC issues is that there isn't a bleed 
port on the MC. The system bleeds entirely through the slave, which is why you 
must pressure bleed it.

The MC from my '83 fit just fine in the '78, no problems with bolt up or 
anything. Worst thing for me is that the reservoir line came off with MC when I 
removed it from the '78 so I had to thread it back in...

What you say about the slave makes perfect sense for your year car as it 
matches my '83.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 10:42:19 -0600
From: Mountain Man 
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Curt wrote:
>
>
 Rusty sez (and I forgot to call him yesterday, drat!) that MB 
superceeded the 2 different clutch MCs with just one and 2 different 
rods depending on which car you have.
>

I will be interested to see what parts work.
I know that the only master that I could use was the dealer - my labor
(son) was not going to waste his time if I did not purchase dealer
part - which worked.  He had already wasted 6 hours trying to fit non
dealer part.  Problem was the cylinder bleed port could not be
attained with cylinder mounted - perhaps it needed the shorter rod, I
don't recall.

And then, we did the slave.  Again, I wasn't going to waste my labor
time - my deal is I purchase dealer parts, or I do the labor.  Even
then, the dealer did not have the correct part, but the slave was
easier to get to and without any removal labor, it was determined that
the dealer part was wrong, so the car came off the lift.  A call to
Classic center arrived at proper part number and lower cost at dealer.
 The correct slave for me looks much like the '85 190D slave at Rusty
site - i.e. mount holes appear offset from center of cylinder, whereas
'78 mount holes are in line with center of cylinder.  My car is '84
euro 240D with clutch.
mao


  
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:
For my money, changing the head is easier/cheaper than changing the 
engine or engine/trans combo.
This is most likely borne out is flat rate manuals for inline 4,5,6 cyl 
engines.  It also needs no engine hoist.



I'd use the hoist anyway. The head isn't light, especially if you leave the 
manifolds on.


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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Dieselhead]

For my money, changing the head is easier/cheaper than changing the 
engine or engine/trans combo.
This is most likely borne out is flat rate manuals for inline 4,5,6 
cyl engines.  It also needs no engine hoist.


For the air cooled horizontally opposed VWs, and some other things, 
the engine removal is easier.


YMMV



So which is more work 1)detaching the IP, manifold, and turbo before
swapping out the motor; or 2) simply replacing the head with a used one from
a 300TD that has the SLS pump?

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


 David Bruckmann wrote:


 Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple
 misunderstanding on the part of the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the
 722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay in second when
 stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick down
 to first. You should be able to feel this behaviour by taking your foot off
 the brake at standstill and see what the creep is like vs having the shift
 lever in "L". And frankly, on most of them the modulator and transmission
 are worn enough that you can feel the "bump" when it kicks down 
to first. If

 it doesn't kick down, the cable probably just needs adjusting.



 Do they use the kickdown solenoid for first gear start, like the W116
 300SD?
 If so, could be a bad kickdown solenoid.

 I doubt there's much to worry about. Just swap over the manifolds, turbo,
 etc from a 48 state car, maybe the IP too. At least I wouldn't want to keep
 the catalyst or those $80 air filters.

 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

#2 is harder for sure, timing chain, head gasket, valve cover, etc...


But, on the other hand, there's shift linkage, driveshaft, etc for a 
engine/tranny swap. Manifolds gotta go either way, if one of the engines has the 
CA setup and you want to get rid of it.


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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Walt Zarnoch]

#2 is harder for sure, timing chain, head gasket, valve cover, etc...

Walt
On Mar 6, 2011 9:59 AM, "andrew strasfogel"  wrote:
> So which is more work 1)detaching the IP, manifold, and turbo before
> swapping out the motor; or 2) simply replacing the head with a used one
from
> a 300TD that has the SLS pump?
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
>> David Bruckmann wrote:
>>
>>> Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple
>>> misunderstanding on the part of the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the
>>> 722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay in second when
>>> stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick
down
>>> to first. You should be able to feel this behaviour by taking your foot
off
>>> the brake at standstill and see what the creep is like vs having the
shift
>>> lever in "L". And frankly, on most of them the modulator and
transmission
>>> are worn enough that you can feel the "bump" when it kicks down to
first. If
>>> it doesn't kick down, the cable probably just needs adjusting.
>>>
>>
>> Do they use the kickdown solenoid for first gear start, like the W116
>> 300SD?
>> If so, could be a bad kickdown solenoid.
>>
>> I doubt there's much to worry about. Just swap over the manifolds, turbo,
>> etc from a 48 state car, maybe the IP too. At least I wouldn't want to
keep
>> the catalyst or those $80 air filters.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Mitch Haley]

roger...@comcast.net wrote:
Just to add some confusion...my 80 300SD 116 starts in first gear without using the kick down. 


78-79 power the kickdown through the overboost safety relay. It's supposed to 
sit in 2nd at a stnadstill with your foot on the brake, then drop into first as 
you take off. I always thought 1980 was the same, but I could be wrong. I'm not 
sure how you'd know, unless you have a technical manual, or monitor the voltage 
to the solenoid.
I suppose you could pull the fuse that powers the kickdown, and if it still 
starts in first without that fuse (I believe it also runs the instruments and 
the tail lamps) then you're right and I'm wrong.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

So which is more work 1)detaching the IP, manifold, and turbo before
swapping out the motor; or 2) simply replacing the head with a used one from
a 300TD that has the SLS pump?

On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> David Bruckmann wrote:
>
>> Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple
>> misunderstanding on the part of the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the
>> 722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay in second when
>> stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick down
>> to first. You should be able to feel this behaviour by taking your foot off
>> the brake at standstill and see what the creep is like vs having the shift
>> lever in "L". And frankly, on most of them the modulator and transmission
>> are worn enough that you can feel the "bump" when it kicks down to first. If
>> it doesn't kick down, the cable probably just needs adjusting.
>>
>
> Do they use the kickdown solenoid for first gear start, like the W116
> 300SD?
> If so, could be a bad kickdown solenoid.
>
> I doubt there's much to worry about. Just swap over the manifolds, turbo,
> etc from a 48 state car, maybe the IP too. At least I wouldn't want to keep
> the catalyst or those $80 air filters.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Wow. That's got to be a record for most miles on an original MB automatic 
transmission!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 9:01 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

Just to add some confusion...my 80 300SD 116 starts in first gear without using 
the kick down. I've had it for 14 years and that's how it has always worked. My 
83 300D also works the same. The only time the kick down works is if I floor 
the pedal...then it kicks down like I would expect it to. I'd hate to "lug" the 
engine by missing 1st gear for take off. As to wear, the 80 300SD has over 
410,000 miles on the original tranny. My Indie recently fixed a vacuum leak by 
replacing the plastic cap on the modulator valve and it shifts better and 
smoother than it has in years. 
Again, just some more confusion for the discussion. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger Hale 
Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[rogerhga]

Just to add some confusion...my 80 300SD 116 starts in first gear without using 
the kick down. I've had it for 14 years and that's how it has always worked. My 
83 300D also works the same. The only time the kick down works is if I floor 
the pedal...then it kicks down like I would expect it to. I'd hate to "lug" the 
engine by missing 1st gear for take off. As to wear, the 80 300SD has over 
410,000 miles on the original tranny. My Indie recently fixed a vacuum leak by 
replacing the plastic cap on the modulator valve and it shifts better and 
smoother than it has in years. 
Again, just some more confusion for the discussion. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger Hale 
Monroe, Ga. 
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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I'm in Weston. Sounds like this could be fun!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:25 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote:

We'd love to have you. Where are you?
Dwight
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From: Dimitri Seretakis 
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Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:22:05 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Hmmm. Might have to make it out there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:55 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the
near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north & east from Wickford-
it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown.
It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
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1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[degcoast]

We'd love to have you. Where are you?
Dwight
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-Original Message-
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:22:05 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

Hmmm. Might have to make it out there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:55 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the
near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north & east from Wickford-
it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown.
It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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[MBZ] Way Back Machine

[LWB250]

Mitch posted this great video of Hef and the Playboy 727. What's even better is 
seeing his 600LWB and the huge VTR in the plane playing "Playboy After Dark"...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNEyvJgfKfM&feature=autofb

Dan


  

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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Hmmm. Might have to make it out there.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:55 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the
near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north & east from Wickford-
it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown.
It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dwight Giles Jr.]

I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the
near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north & east from Wickford-
it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown.
It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. 

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1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you
up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dimitri Seretakis]

So how many miles is wickford from Boston?

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On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Dwight Giles Jr."  wrote:

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will 
pick you up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the
picnic.
Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.



ChowdaQIV

A celebration of vintage

Mercedes Benz

and other interesting vehicles

Saturday September 10, 2011

Goddard State Park

1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island

Picnic and day of camaraderie







Dwight Giles Jr.

1982 300CD 220K miles

1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles

Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

[Dwight Giles Jr.]

Kaleb,
It's about 3 1/2  hours-175 miles  from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends
on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really
southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you
were going through, it would be an easy stop..
Dwight 

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD 220K miles
1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
Wickford RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ

How far is that from the state of Maine?  I may be up there sometime but I
think it would be during the summer.

On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote:
> A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will 
> pick you up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the
picnic.
> Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III.
>
>
>
> ChowdaQIV
>
> A celebration of vintage
>
> Mercedes Benz
>
> and other interesting vehicles
>
> Saturday September 10, 2011
>
> Goddard State Park
>
> 1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island
>
> Picnic and day of camaraderie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
>
> 1982 300CD 220K miles
>
> 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles
>
> Wickford RI
>
>
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  92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2,
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Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD

[Mitch Haley]

David Bruckmann wrote:

Whether it actually starts in 2nd or not may actually be a simple misunderstanding on the part of 
the PO. As far as I'm aware, all of the 722.3 transmissions used in later 123 and 126 models stay 
in second when stopped UNTIL you touch the accelerator, whereupon they instantly kick down to 
first. You should be able to feel this behaviour by taking your foot off the brake at standstill 
and see what the creep is like vs having the shift lever in "L". And frankly, on most of 
them the modulator and transmission are worn enough that you can feel the "bump" when it 
kicks down to first. If it doesn't kick down, the cable probably just needs adjusting.


Do they use the kickdown solenoid for first gear start, like the W116 300SD?
If so, could be a bad kickdown solenoid.

I doubt there's much to worry about. Just swap over the manifolds, turbo, etc 
from a 48 state car, maybe the IP too. At least I wouldn't want to keep the 
catalyst or those $80 air filters.


Mitch.

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