Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
It must have been a 505 Turbo Diesel as I don't believe that the turbo Diesel engine was available in the earlier and more solid 504. The NA 505 was about the same as a 240D in performance. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
Kevin Kraly wrote: I like the PooJo 504, seemed to be a very solid car. My neighbor had three of them in the 1980's, 2 '79 Diesel sedans and a '76 Diesel Station Wagon. If they weren't so hard to get parts for here in the states, I would get one since they are often in the sub Kilobuck bracket. Do Peugots sell singly, or do they usually come with a couple of parts cars? Of course, if there's a weak part, and it's broken on all your parts cars, then you're stuck with self importing. Does France have a good internet parts store like Rockauto.com, or a Peugot specific one like Rusty? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
Dimitri Seretakis wrote: One month later I saw it driving around in the adjacent town. Was the door fixed? My dad sold the Jeepster Commando when I went to university. It needed a shift fork, which I wanted to replace and he wouldn't let me tear the transmission apart. As soon as I was gone, he advertised it for $200. When the bottom of the tailgate had rusted out a few years later, we riveted in a full width aluminum patch. I saw that Jeep running around the next summer, still with its aluminum/steel tailgate. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
Yes a 505. I'm then mistaken! I don't have any experience witha 504. It may very well be a good solid car. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: It must have been a 505 Turbo Diesel as I don't believe that the turbo Diesel engine was available in the earlier and more solid 504. The NA 505 was about the same as a 240D in performance. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
I don't remember if the door was fixed. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dimitri Seretakis wrote: One month later I saw it driving around in the adjacent town. Was the door fixed? My dad sold the Jeepster Commando when I went to university. It needed a shift fork, which I wanted to replace and he wouldn't let me tear the transmission apart. As soon as I was gone, he advertised it for $200. When the bottom of the tailgate had rusted out a few years later, we riveted in a full width aluminum patch. I saw that Jeep running around the next summer, still with its aluminum/steel tailgate. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Dimitri Seretakis wrote: One month later I saw it driving around in the adjacent town. Was the door fixed? My dad sold the Jeepster Commando when I went to university. It needed a shift fork, which I wanted to replace and he wouldn't let me tear the transmission apart. As soon as I was gone, he advertised it for $200. When the bottom of the tailgate had rusted out a few years later, we riveted in a full width aluminum patch. I saw that Jeep running around the next summer, still with its aluminum/steel tailgate. Mitch. ___ Aluminum and rivets make great body repair parts; probably on a par with shoe goo and microwave ovens. Toward the end of it's life the floorboard under the drivers feet in my '67 200D rusted out in the back and sides. It was very handy because you could push down on it and sweep dirt and sand out through the crack. Finally, after son and daughter complained about it several times, I laid multiple layers of aluminum valley on the floorboard and up the sides of the tunnel and side beam, and whacked them into shape with a rubber mallet. Several outdated and lumpy tubes of window caulking were split open and the contents spread on the aluminum pieces to seal out water. Then I drilled and pop-riveted the whole mess in place. Because of the multiple layers of aluminum valley, the new floor was very strong. It was still in good condition when the White Tornado, as the teenagers called it, met its end in a Georgia junkyard. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hundreds of old stinkers and one Frog
Gerry Archer wrote: Because of the multiple layers of aluminum valley, the new floor was very strong. It was still in good condition when the White Tornado, as the teenagers called it, met its end in a Georgia junkyard. Gerry ___ When the floor failed in my Chevy Citation, the main problem was that the bench seat had nothing to attach to on the driver's side. I solved that with a piece of wolmanized 3/4 plywood, a single layer of aluminum flashing, a dozen 1/4 bolts, and a can of rubberized undercoating spray. I covered the hole with flashing, bolted down the plywood, bolted the seat to the plywood (from then on, the driver sat 3/4 higher than the passenger), and sealed it up from underneath with the undercoating. That floor was in better shape than most of the rest of the car when I drove it to the junkyard at 210,000 miles. I broke the 1-2 shift fork and I was not willing to pull the tranny on a car that had reached its life expectancy already. The shift fork was my fault, the anti-wear coating was gone and the fork was worn about halfway through at 168k. I didn't want to pay $60 to order a new one and wait another week to put the car back together (I'd taken the tranny apart because a bolt fell out of the shift interlock and I had a handful of neutrals). Looking back on it, I'm lucky it lasted another 40k miles. I still look back on that 5 door Citation as the best little truck I ever owned. Fold up the back seat and it had a long flat cargo area, big enough to hold my rolling tool chest and all its drawers. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] DIY CNC Mill project seeks donations
No affiliation, but this looks interesting. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/chrisreilly/diylilcnc-20-open-source-plans-for-a-low-cost-cnc -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I asked for further clarification to see if the formula is really unchanged. I can say that the car seems no different using this oil. I went either 7 or 13,000 on the oil, I can't find a slip to prove either way... Oops! Good thing I'm using M1. I usually change at ~8,000 on the 617 and 12,000 on the 601. I've never done analysis on the 616 since I don't consider 8,000 a long duration. Need to order kits for the 601 as it nears the 8,000 mark on this oil change. I haven't done analysis on the '84 yet, did a bunch on the '85... -Curt Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:31:26 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: m11uy8mksx@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wheel question
Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? LarryT youroil.net -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Those newer wheels are going to look weird on those cars. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:38 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Larry l02tur...@comcast.net writes: I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? It was on the 229.1 approved lists for diesel engines. What's not certain is whether today's M1 15W-50 is the same oil. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Do you know what the zinc levels are on the Brad Penn 15W40? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Point well taken. However, is the stud pattern the same or not? Would they fit? On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.comwrote: Those newer wheels are going to look weird on those cars. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:38 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
G Mann wrote: Point well taken. However, is the stud pattern the same or not? Would they fit? Flip them over and get the part number off them. The first three digits are the most important. I don't think any wheels newer than W126 chassis would be a direct bolt on to a 123 or 126 without spacers. http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1713 Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
No - I have not done an Analysis on it yet, but I was told the levels are high enough to protect the older engines. It's nearing time for me to pull a sample and mail it in will let you know .. LarryT 91 300D youroil.net -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Do you know what the zinc levels are on the Brad Penn 15W40? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
The reason why I'm asking is because it is a fairly inexpensive oil that I'd like to use on my 71 280SL. AFAIK the green Brad Penn stuff has high zinc levels but I don't think that 15W40 is green. Right now I'm using Valvoline VR1 20W50 Racing oil on the 280SL and it is around $4.50 per quart as opposed the the Brad Penn 15W40 for under $3 per quart. The valvoline stuff clearly states high levels of zinc on the container but doesn't specify an amount. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: No - I have not done an Analysis on it yet, but I was told the levels are high enough to protect the older engines. It's nearing time for me to pull a sample and mail it in will let you know .. LarryT 91 300D youroil.net -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Do you know what the zinc levels are on the Brad Penn 15W40? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Larry l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:13 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Grabbed 8 quarts of M1 15w50 yesterday, I need to change the oil in my '78 240D. I like using the 15w50 in the summer as it leaks/is consumed a bit more slowly. Anyway today doing the change I learned 2 things, #1 oil filters from Car Quest are NOT as good as from Rusty - the o ring is too big and won't seal the canister, fortunately I had a spare. I though I had a filter from Rusty, turns out it was for a 601 #2 M1 15w50 is no longer diesel rated, SM only. I had an older bottle that was CF that was probably bought last year (post facelift, so recent). I dunno if the manufacturer has to continuously pay for certification and they decided they weren't selling enough to diesel owners or what but I'll run a short change on this one (I usually go 7,000 on the 240D, I'll go down to 5 or so) and switch back to 5w40 which I hope still has a C certification, if not it maybe be Amsoil although my local Car Quest has Royal Purple... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
The temptation is great on this set. Set of 5, $150, for wheels and tires, tires are 90% remaining tread, doubt the spare has ever touched pavement. What are the numbers I should look for? Presuming there is a magic number that fits. Thanks, On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: Point well taken. However, is the stud pattern the same or not? Would they fit? Flip them over and get the part number off them. The first three digits are the most important. I don't think any wheels newer than W126 chassis would be a direct bolt on to a 123 or 126 without spacers. http://www.adsitco.com/**category.asp?CID=1713http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1713 Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Alles. Wheel info. http://mountainmarketingwv.com/Pics/MBZPNUM.htm Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 7/3/2011 3:49 PM, G Mann wrote: The temptation is great on this set. Set of 5, $150, for wheels and tires, tires are 90% remaining tread, doubt the spare has ever touched pavement. What are the numbers I should look for? Presuming there is a magic number that fits. Thanks, On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: Point well taken. However, is the stud pattern the same or not? Would they fit? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Wow that is cheap! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The temptation is great on this set. Set of 5, $150, for wheels and tires, tires are 90% remaining tread, doubt the spare has ever touched pavement. What are the numbers I should look for? Presuming there is a magic number that fits. Thanks, On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: Point well taken. However, is the stud pattern the same or not? Would they fit? Flip them over and get the part number off them. The first three digits are the most important. I don't think any wheels newer than W126 chassis would be a direct bolt on to a 123 or 126 without spacers. http://www.adsitco.com/**category.asp?CID=1713http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1713 Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
This short answer is: no. They will bolt up, but the offset will be wrong. You need spacers like these: http://images.jaimekop.com/2003_08_31_Wheels_380SE/ Despite having done this myself, I agree that they're going to look strange. Even 8 years ago, those W220 wheels were dirt cheap. Cheap stock wheels from the 90s and early 2000s are not uncommon since they were on so many cars, and so many people upgrade them. Jaime On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Negative, unless you can find a post specifically supporting that. -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:12:42 -0400 From: Larry l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 3D0AF867FD214545B28A8C82C78E7E4D@Acer Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original I thought we said a while back that M1 15W50 wasn't good for diesels because of Soot suspension (or lack of it)? LarryT youroil.net -Original Message- From: Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I emailed Mobil and got a reply that since CF was discontinued they removed it from the bottle but that it still meets CF spec. I thought CI and CI-4 replaced CF years ago or is that not how that works? Well that's good to know, but I wonder if it still meets the MB 229.1 spec that it used to. Specifically the oil on that spec sheet was Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50 229.1 Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out. $9.37/qt is ~$1/qt more than I paid for M1 the other day although I did have to also pay tax. They just put an Autozone near here just over the NH border, goodbye tax on motor oil... -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:22:00 -0400 From: Larry l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: D6A9670B55014A3BA4616F08E5527502@Acer Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original For my last change on the '91 300D I went with Brad Penn 15W40 from LN Engineering. So far so good but all I have to go on is the pressure at idle - which looks better than before - but there are so many variables it's not a great gauge. I'll run a test on it before long and see what the ZDDP levels look like after ~2000 miles or so. I think the cost to have 2 gallons plus shipping (Pa to Va) to my door was around $75. LarryT 91 300D Youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Yep, look strange, i. e., not look right for that vintage MB, but we're all different; that's why we have different names. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel question This short answer is: no. They will bolt up, but the offset will be wrong. You need spacers like these: http://images.jaimekop.com/2003_08_31_Wheels_380SE/ Despite having done this myself, I agree that they're going to look strange. Even 8 years ago, those W220 wheels were dirt cheap. Cheap stock wheels from the 90s and early 2000s are not uncommon since they were on so many cars, and so many people upgrade them. Jaime On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
The offset is different for the W201 chassis and later, they will not fit. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz E300 diesel - $2500 (Cape Coral FL)
Not mine, etc. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:Mercedes Benz E300 diesel - $2500 (Cape Coral FL) Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 13:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/2475536178.html to contact the person who posted this. Mercedes Benz E300 diesel Date: 2011-07-03, 2:37PM 1999 E300 turbo diesel. 182k miles. Has transmission problem. Starts, runs low gear reverse. Won't upshift. Several mechanics looked at it, said it's stuck in safe mode. $2500. Our loss. Good solid car, 33 mpg on highway, 24mpg around town. Call Tom 239-574-2628 days. * Location: Cape Coral FL * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/2475536178.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18yNzg4OTI3OL62sHtifYcODmFbW6M_r-xj3NaS6EyM8rb-Cd-Tu0ctTOVyHwa8Mll3XQvuu8Afow ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Curt Raymond wrote: I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out. $9.37/qt is ~$1/qt more than I paid for M1 the other day although I did have to also pay tax. They just put an Autozone near here just over the NH border, goodbye tax on motor oil... I think the last gallon of 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck I bought was $20. (about two months ago) For the time being, I'll stick to buying M1 at the grocery store, especially now that Meijer sale prices are better than the regular price at that other store I don't go to anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I don't think any wheels newer than W126 chassis would be a direct bolt on to a 123 or 126 without spacers. The simplest wheel upgrade for a 123 is 15 flat pancake wheels from a 107 or 126. That opens up a lot more tire choices compared to the 14 bundt-pan wheels. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Thanks to everyone for your experience and replys. I now know more than I ever thought possible about MBZ wheels and what not to do. To bad, they won't fit. Tires alone are worth more than the price ask and rims are perfect. Oh well... On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I don't think any wheels newer than W126 chassis would be a direct bolt on to a 123 or 126 without spacers. The simplest wheel upgrade for a 123 is 15 flat pancake wheels from a 107 or 126. That opens up a lot more tire choices compared to the 14 bundt-pan wheels. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Buy them and re-sell on CL. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 5:11 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for your experience and replys. I now know more than I ever thought possible about MBZ wheels and what not to do. To bad, they won't fit. Tires alone are worth more than the price ask and rims are perfect. Oh well... On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I don't think any wheels newer than W126 chassis would be a direct bolt on to a 123 or 126 without spacers. The simplest wheel upgrade for a 123 is 15 flat pancake wheels from a 107 or 126. That opens up a lot more tire choices compared to the 14 bundt-pan wheels. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 71 280SE 3.5 Coupe with 37k miles
The speedometer went to 160 mph! On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Top speed was 125 or so, which would fit with the 6200 rpm red-line on the 3.5L V8. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Which makes me wonder what a fair price is for wheels. I was thinking of asking $150 for my set (all 5) of 14 201 wheels. The tires are pretty much junk, 3 are okay 2 are bad. Seem reasonable? I'm thinking to put them on Craig's maybe tomorrow. -Curt Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel question Message-ID: 1309723314.68547.yext-apple-iph...@web113210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow that is cheap! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The temptation is great on this set. Set of 5, $150, for wheels and tires, tires are 90% remaining tread, doubt the spare has ever touched pavement. What are the numbers I should look for? Presuming there is a magic number that fits. Thanks, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Thats a great price for M1, around here its $8+ recently, big hike in the last 2-3 months, I was paying closer to $5 not long ago. Hopefully just a localized spike. If not maybe I'll order 100 quarts and sell 'em out of the back of my car. -Curt Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:53:09 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50 Message-ID: 4e10d6b5.6020...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out. $9.37/qt is ~$1/qt more than I paid for M1 the other day although I did have to also pay tax. They just put an Autozone near here just over the NH border, goodbye tax on motor oil... I think the last gallon of 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck I bought was $20. (about two months ago) For the time being, I'll stick to buying M1 at the grocery store, especially now that Meijer sale prices are better than the regular price at that other store I don't go to anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Curt Raymond wrote: Which makes me wonder what a fair price is for wheels. I was thinking of asking $150 for my set (all 5) of 14 201 wheels. The tires are pretty much junk, 3 are okay 2 are bad. Wheels weigh about 20lb. What's aluminum scrap going for these days? That sets a hard floor on the value. A friend bought an RX-7 with 'Wilton wheels' on it. The tires were pretty much worn out. He cut the tires off the wheels with an angle grinder, (thereby making slots in the bead area of the rims), tossed the tires in the dumpster, and sold the wheels for scrap. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 15w50
Curt Raymond wrote: Thats a great price for M1, around here its $8+ recently, big hike in the last 2-3 months, I was paying closer to $5 not long ago. Hopefully just a localized spike. If not maybe I'll order 100 quarts and sell 'em out of the back of my car. Yesterday, the 5.1qt jugs (yea, 0.1qt more than at Wal-Mart) were on sale for $25 at Meijer, and there's a $5 off on any $24.97 or higher item coupon this weekend. Unfortunately, they didn't have any 15W50, the 5W40 doesn't come in 5.1qt, and I've got a 2-3 year supply of 5w30 and 10w30 already. At Advance Auto, it's $28 a gallon or $8,69 a qt. Too bad those 40% coupons don't work on oil. I did get a heck of a deal on a 5 gallon pail of ATF last summer, paid something like $30 for it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 15/50/
...I was under the impression that ZDDP is important only with solid lifters which is why (considering the relatively small number of solid lifter cars in full service) the oil makers were willing to pull it out... Not solid lifter. Flat tappet engines. My Porsche 944 is a flat tappet engine with hydraulic lifters and M1 15/50 still has the required amount of ZDDP for that engine and for that reason I stopped using M1 0W40 in it. All aircooled Porsches are flat tappet engines, also. My C300's M272 engine is OK with 0W40 or 5/40 M1 and I'm using 0W40 because of availability. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
Short answer: offset must be correct, lug bolts will be a challenge. Somewhere on the inside of the wheel is a code that looks like 6.5Jx16 H2 ET xx where the xx following ET is the offset, and the 6.5 in my example is the width of the rim, 16 is the diameter Here are two quotes from the late Dr. Marshall Booth that will help you understand what you are contemplating: - All the US sold 124s thru the '80s used 6.5x15 wheels with ~49 mm offset (though the sportlines in the mid '90s MIGHT have used a 7 or 7.5 wide wheel - I have NO wheel listings for '90s 124s). None of these wheels should be fitted on any 123/126 even if they MIGHT physically fit! The '86+ 126s used either 6.5 or 7 x 15 wheels with 21.5 or 25 mm offset respectively. THEY can be fitted to older 126 and 123 cars but NOT to 124/201s For a 123: 15 wheels from a 107 or 126 (7Jx15 H2 ET25) running a 205/60x15 or 195/65x15 tire will work just fine. The wheels from 124 or 201 series cars (with ET of 37-49 mm) will NOT work. You will also need matching lug bolts (124 400 00 70, 124 400 01 70, 201 400 00 70, or 126 400 00 70 will all work, but the 126 400 00 70 has been discontinuted and Mercedes suggests that one of the other parts be used instead). The stock bolts from your 14 wheels will NOT work. Marshall Booth I think you want to make sure the offset is around 21 or 25. Getting bolts that will fit may be a problem. Asthetics is your choice, how the car will handle with such wheel/tire combo is hard to tell, but my money would be on worse than the original set up. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Wheel question Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] My afternoon working on MB's
Spent the afternoon working on my '95 E300 for a bit (fixed the other rear window using the 210 slider previously discussed) and then I dove into removing the head on my '87. I soaked the exhaust nuts/bolts again (had soaked them all with PB Blaster a week or so ago) prior to starting on the '95 window, and when I returned they came off like butter. PB Blaster is really nice stuff, when you can give it time to work. So, exhaust came off, pulled turbo drain tube, finally wiggled the turbo supply oil line out of the block. It is time to loosen the head bolts! I'd ordered the Hazet bit from Rusty for the head bolts (triple square 10mm), and it was really nice to have. Didn't need it for all the bolts, but for the seven buried under the cam bearings it was very nice. Those head bolts are TIGHT! Needed the breaker bar to get them all loose. Interestingly, one bolt each at #1 and #6 cylinders was dry, the rest were well oiled. I thought all of them were supposed to be oiled prior to installation? All came out without drama. Time to lift the head off! Realized I needed to take loose the ATF dip stick tube, and the exhaust fought me some more, but I finally had it lifted free. The replacement fire log for the original cat was a tight fit, and the turbo support wanted to hang up in a coolant line, but I got it out. Tore up the fiberglass insulation pretty good, need to address that. I'm a total novice, this is my first head removal, so I may not be able to read the signs, but the head gasket looks just fine to me. No evidence of coolant or oil blow out anywhere. However, there is cracking between every single intake and exhaust valve seat. #6 is the worst, followed by #4. Upper chain guide needs to be replaced - small hole in it, and worn. How hard to do the tensioner chain guide while I'm this far into it? My new head is still at the shop, but probably ready to be picked up, so maybe I'll have some time in a few weeks to start putting it all back together. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD 338k miles - Head is OFF! '95 E300 288k miles - daily driving duty '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel question
I thank you Sir for your wisdom and insight. The wise man learn from others mistakes, and I wish to become wise as regards wheel use. I've learned more about MBZ wheels today than I knew existed. Grant... AZ where warm is 115 and cold is 95 in the shade, and where Sheriff Joe [toughest sheriff in the USA ]measured 145 at the jail tent city yesterday. [for the cameras of course]. On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: Short answer: offset must be correct, lug bolts will be a challenge. Somewhere on the inside of the wheel is a code that looks like 6.5Jx16 H2 ET xx where the xx following ET is the offset, and the 6.5 in my example is the width of the rim, 16 is the diameter Here are two quotes from the late Dr. Marshall Booth that will help you understand what you are contemplating: - All the US sold 124s thru the '80s used 6.5x15 wheels with ~49 mm offset (though the sportlines in the mid '90s MIGHT have used a 7 or 7.5 wide wheel - I have NO wheel listings for '90s 124s). None of these wheels should be fitted on any 123/126 even if they MIGHT physically fit! The '86+ 126s used either 6.5 or 7 x 15 wheels with 21.5 or 25 mm offset respectively. THEY can be fitted to older 126 and 123 cars but NOT to 124/201s For a 123: 15 wheels from a 107 or 126 (7Jx15 H2 ET25) running a 205/60x15 or 195/65x15 tire will work just fine. The wheels from 124 or 201 series cars (with ET of 37-49 mm) will NOT work. You will also need matching lug bolts (124 400 00 70, 124 400 01 70, 201 400 00 70, or 126 400 00 70 will all work, but the 126 400 00 70 has been discontinuted and Mercedes suggests that one of the other parts be used instead). The stock bolts from your 14 wheels will NOT work. Marshall Booth I think you want to make sure the offset is around 21 or 25. Getting bolts that will fit may be a problem. Asthetics is your choice, how the car will handle with such wheel/tire combo is hard to tell, but my money would be on worse than the original set up. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Wheel question Probably an old question but I'm a new guy to the list so here goes. Have an 82 300D and an 83 300 SD both with stock as issued Mercedes wheels. Found a set of 16 inch wheels from later Mercedes [tire shop owner doesn't know/remember which model they came from] perhaps late 90'ish. Will the back spacing and lug pattern fit on the early model 300's ??? Anyone done this? How about wheel well clearance with the 16 inch tire? Thanks in advance Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My afternoon working on MB's
Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: I soaked the exhaust nuts/bolts again (had soaked them all with PB Blaster a week or so ago) prior to starting on the '95 window, and when I returned they came off like butter. PB Blaster is really nice stuff, when you can give it time to work. I was a PB Blaster evangelist myself, until I tried ATF and acetone. Now THAT works like a charm. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Crack heads versus rod benders
We are having a bit of an argument on the Ozbenz forum as to which engine had which problem, up for discussion is a 87 230TE which has had a OM603.912 installed, I seem to remember that these engines had some heads that where prone to cracking and another forum member reckons that the heads are OK but they bend the conrods. I am thinking that it was the larger 3.5 liter engine that had the conrod problems? So which is it, as this comes up on this list now and again but I never pay attention cause I have neither of these engines. Hendrik who is confused, as usual ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crack heads versus rod benders
The 3.5 was the rod bender Sent from my iPhone On Jul 3, 2011, at 11:17 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: We are having a bit of an argument on the Ozbenz forum as to which engine had which problem, up for discussion is a 87 230TE which has had a OM603.912 installed, I seem to remember that these engines had some heads that where prone to cracking and another forum member reckons that the heads are OK but they bend the conrods. I am thinking that it was the larger 3.5 liter engine that had the conrod problems? So which is it, as this comes up on this list now and again but I never pay attention cause I have neither of these engines. Hendrik who is confused, as usual ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
