Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Good point.. that is called "Al Taqqyia"  [tak` ie a] which means.. the lie
blessed by allah.. which is any lie you need to tell to further the cause
of islam..

So.. perhaps.. Certainly he did not act alone.. behind the shooter was an
entire support network that convinced him to "die for islam" , armed him,
kept him wound up tight.. etc etc..

Quote from a British Army Officer from 200 years ago in what is now
Pakistan [then "India"] : "If a muslim tells you the sun rises in the East,
put your back to the wall, face West, draw your knife, and wait for his
attack."

Pretty much sums it nicely..

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What about if that is what he was ordered to do in order to execute his
> mission?There is some deal that lying to an infidel is not a lie.  So
> maybe going to a bar and acting like a queer is ok if it part of the plan?
>  All I know is that you  can't trust anything they say.
>
> It is safe to assume everything BO sez is a lie.  So far that assumption
> has been borne out.
>
> Seems like there were some of the 2001 hijackers partied pretty hard the
> day before.  I'd have to check my memory on that
>
> G Mann via Mercedes 
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>> That whole dialogue really doesn't ring true, does it?
>> If you know islam at all.. you know it has strict prohibition aganist even
>> touching alcohol, much less drinking it..
>>
>> World wide, the number of homosexuals executed by muslims and in islamic
>> countries continues..
>>
>> Yet.. we are supposed to absorb the sound bite that this guy, who went to
>> mosque [and a strict one at that] frequented a gay bar, got drunk there?
>>
>> Naw.. ain't buying that..
>>
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>> WHen it is a moose, the gun did it.  If a non-moose does it, then it is
>> all about how terrible white christians (and guns) are.
>>
>>
>> Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
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>> >
>> Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at the
>> bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I heard
>> it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way.  Father
>> (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat, said he
>> was gay but that the American authorities told her not to say that.
>>
>> And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all
>> out to be about the "automatic-style rifle."
>>
>> --JC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> archer75--- via Mercedes 
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>> >
>>
>>> On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
That is the real issue - are you willing to
 risk your self and your family to keep your rights?

>>>
>> And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
>>> If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
>>> have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
>>> The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside
>>> there is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is
>>> one shooter or several.
>>> The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. They
>>> don't want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
>>> If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a
>>> dead  hero. You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan of
>>> attack that makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or
>>> injured when the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s).
>>> Might be bad news for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste
>>> trained officers in some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is
>>> actually happening.
>>> RB
>>>
>> ~~~
>> The nightclub gaurd, an off-duty police officer, did engage the killer in
>> gun fire before the police arrived.
>> The police engaged the killer in gunfire after they arrived and one
>> officer got shot in the head, but his Kevlar helmet save him.
>> Then the killer holed up in a bathroom with five hostages and began
>> talking to police on his cellphone.
>> 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

military does use that nomenclature.  Out here in the sticks, I always 
heard the M1 type as a "stripper clip" while the replaceable magazine 
was called a clip.


It's not.  The M1 Garand uses a clip to hold the 8 rounds together
which are inserted into the empty magazine en masse.  (You can also
use the clip to load only 2 rounds.)  The SKS uses a stripper clip,
which you 'strip' the rounds off of as you push them into the
magazine with your thumb.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

All good and salient points!  Right now, if we don't take care of the 
domestic, the furrin won't matter.


back in the 50s, and early 60s  anyone could buy whatever they liked, 
and we had none of these problems.


I was probably 12 or 13 when I bouight my Model 61.  I could walk in and 
by Super X or Federals anywhere that sold em.  And I did.  BY the time I 
was 16, the johnson nannnys were starting to take over, and suddenly, I 
no longer could buy anything, unless I went to the old guy  out in the 
sticks who really didn't care what the feds said, and he thought I was 18.


Now, if you are seen walking from your house to the car with a long 
case, someone will call the cops and the swat will show up and put 
hundreds or thousands of holes in everything they see.  Sheesh!


No, no checks and no lists.  We need to go back to 1770, and you should 
be fined if you don't carry and don't go to monthly drill/training.  
(unless you are physically or mentally incapable.)  That will stop the 
nonsense faster than any other alternative I have seen, along with 
following the sane laws.  (fence, only legal immigration, maybe stop 
immigration for 60 or 80 years... stop allowing people in who have no 
interest or intent to assimilate.)  (and fer sure, stop recruiting 'em!)



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 11:20 PMvia Postbox 


Here's the problem.  Suppose you "fail" the background check.  It's like the
no-fly list.  Like all such government databases, it's full of errors (both
ways) and the appeal process is nearly prohibitive.  If the IRS
discriminated against organizations they don't like, don't you think the ATF
(you know, the Fast and Furious guys) might do the same?  Don't forget the
phrase: "foreign and domestic."  It is a key part of the oath of office of
every soldier and federal officer.


-Original Message-
From:  Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:53 PM

The state of WA has implemented a universal check law. If I want to sell

or

gift to a hunting buddy I've known for 50 years I need to go to an FFL

holder

and fork over $25. The check can take up to a few days. If it were

actually free

and instant it would be less onerous.






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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 12:55 PMvia Postbox 


So are you complete de-regulation?
I'm not a big fan of regulation but I think there are some people who 
clearly shouldn't have guns. The shooter in Orlando for instance. If 
the laws currently on the books for background checks had been doing 
their job he wouldn't have been able to legally buy guns in the first 
place considering he was a known wife-beating anti-social, pretty much 
all around not-good-guy.
I don't think that instant check infringes on my rights to own a gun 
in any way. More over supporting it would be a win for the NRA since 
polls seem to show most people agree with me. Instead the NRA just 
looks completely obstructionist and their "good guy with a gun" mantra 
just gives the anti-gun crowd more fodder.

-Curt

From: Meade Dillon 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 


Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

Well Curt, perhaps the NRA is trying to follow that part of the second 
amendment that says "shall not be infringed".  Seems to me that 
infringements on the second amendment pretty much abound these days, 
like in "gun free" zones.  Laws that prevent law-abiding citizens with 
concealed-carry permits from entering any establishment that serves 
alcohol has just infringed on the second amendment to that extent that 
over 100 people were shot, and about half died from their wounds.


Great post on Market-Ticker today (I'm borrowing his words) on exactly 
this topic.


http://market-ticker.org/

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:


So no I'm not an NRA radical, in fact I think the NRA does itself a 
disservice in these situations by digging in its heels and refusing 
any gun control measures. Their refusal to sit at the table at all is 
dumb. They should be working across the aisle on background checks, 
it'd be something easy that would show them as good people working 
WITH the antis.






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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Here's the problem.  Suppose you "fail" the background check.  It's like the
no-fly list.  Like all such government databases, it's full of errors (both
ways) and the appeal process is nearly prohibitive.  If the IRS
discriminated against organizations they don't like, don't you think the ATF
(you know, the Fast and Furious guys) might do the same?  Don't forget the
phrase: "foreign and domestic."  It is a key part of the oath of office of
every soldier and federal officer.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:53 PM
> 
> The state of WA has implemented a universal check law. If I want to sell
or
> gift to a hunting buddy I've known for 50 years I need to go to an FFL
holder
> and fork over $25. The check can take up to a few days. If it were
actually free
> and instant it would be less onerous.
> 
> 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What about if that is what he was ordered to do in order to execute his 
mission?There is some deal that lying to an infidel is not a lie.  
So maybe going to a bar and acting like a queer is ok if it part of the 
plan?   All I know is that you  can't trust anything they say.


It is safe to assume everything BO sez is a lie.  So far that assumption 
has been borne out.


Seems like there were some of the 2001 hijackers partied pretty hard the 
day before.  I'd have to check my memory on that



G Mann via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 10:53 PMvia Postbox 


That whole dialogue really doesn't ring true, does it?
If you know islam at all.. you know it has strict prohibition aganist even
touching alcohol, much less drinking it..

World wide, the number of homosexuals executed by muslims and in islamic
countries continues..

Yet.. we are supposed to absorb the sound bite that this guy, who went to
mosque [and a strict one at that] frequented a gay bar, got drunk there?

Naw.. ain't buying that..

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Curley McLain 
June 14, 2016 at 8:08 PMvia Postbox 

WHen it is a moose, the gun did it.  If a non-moose does it, then it 
is all about how terrible white christians (and guns) are.



Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 10:28 AMvia Postbox 

Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at 
the bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when 
I heard it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this 
way.  Father (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom 
he beat, said he was gay but that the American authorities told her 
not to say that.


And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all 
out to be about the "automatic-style rifle."


--JC




archer75--- via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 7:36 AMvia Postbox 


On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

   That is the real issue - are you willing to
risk your self and your family to keep your rights?



And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside there 
is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is one shooter 
or several.
The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. They don't 
want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a dead  hero. 
You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan of attack that 
makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or
injured when the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s).
Might be bad news for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste 
trained officers in some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is actually 
happening.
RB

~~~
The nightclub gaurd, an off-duty police officer, did engage the killer in gun 
fire before the police arrived.
The police engaged the killer in gunfire after they arrived and one officer got 
shot in the head, but his Kevlar helmet save him.
Then the killer holed up in a bathroom with five hostages and began talking to 
police on his cellphone.
After long conversations, he made comments that sounded like he was going to 
kill the hostages, so the police used some sort of vehicle and punched holes 
through the outside walls into the restrooms.
At some point they ignited a noise bomb to cause confusion and the hostages 
escaped through the punched hole. Up to 30 escaped from another bathroom 
through another hole that had been punched in the wall.
Then the killer came out through the hole and exchanged gunfire with the police 
and was killed.
This was the NYT version of the events from last night. It may be changed after 
hostages have been interviewed and/or some sell their story to the media. If 
this version is true, then the police did ignore their own safety and go after 
the killer, and probably prevented more hostage deaths.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] OT: NY Times article about diesel cars in the USA

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

and put $$$ in Tbone's pockets!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 6, 2015 at 2:31 PMvia Postbox 

T Boone Pickens wants USA to invest $$billions converting heavy duty 
trucks

and diesel trucks to LNG. Would help emissions and wipe out the trade
deficit.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 6, 2015 at 1:58 PMvia Postbox 

Seems like they might want to re-think diesel trucks, buses, 
construction equipment etc.

Those engines tend to be bigger and dirtier than most cars.
I think a lot of the newer big diesel trucks are better than they used 
to be but there still seems to be a fair amount of black smoke coming 
out of trucks, buses, trains etc.


RB




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Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
February 6, 2015 at 1:47 PMvia Postbox 


Here it is:
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/12/01/france-planning-to-eliminate-diese
l-powered-cars/

I also read London plans to follow suit.

In the US, taxes are much higher on Diesel (reverse of Europe), which
explains much.


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 2:38 PM
To: 'Andrew Strasfogel'; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: NY Times article about diesel cars in the USA

Didn't France just start some effort to ban Diesels?


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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OT: NY Times article about diesel cars in the USA

At first glance didn't see any reference to Mercedes..

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/automobiles/as-the-world-

embraces-

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Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
February 6, 2015 at 1:37 PMvia Postbox 


Didn't France just start some effort to ban Diesels?


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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:44 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: NY Times article about diesel cars in the USA

At first glance didn't see any reference to Mercedes..

Re: [MBZ] OT: non-Mercedes parking question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sonata?  the elantras and lesser are junk.  The Snata is pretty nice.  
Back seat is no SDL, but then nothing else is, except a 126 SEL.   
Pardon my asking, but would not paying an indy to restore Wilton's SDL 
less expensive than buying a new jap junker?



Tim Crone 
April 6, 2015 at 3:49 PMvia Postbox 


On Apr 3, 2015 8:09 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

Confed fag on the antenna probably get more attention.  ;<)


You must have forgotten I'm in Chapel Hill; I'm trying to differentiate,
not blend in more. :)


- Original Message - From: "Curly McLain"<126die...@gmail.com>



5.  Mount a yakima rack  on top with 6 bicycles that you never take down.


Again, that would just blend in...


8.  Same as 7 only use an old 8' ham radio car antenna on the big spring.


Oh, now that is brilliant.  Maybe I could attach a big fat cigar to the top.

I looked at the Hyundai line, but a primary requirement is that two tall
children and a small child fit concurrently.  The Accord and the Camry have
almost 38" of rear legroom (obviously minus my legroom), the Hyundai is
much shorter.  I just don't have time to keep the maintain the SDL as a
daily driver (though it's getting along, spent a little time last weekend
and the weather has definitely turned).

Thanks for all the suggestions!

-Tim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[G Mann via Mercedes]

That whole dialogue really doesn't ring true, does it?
If you know islam at all.. you know it has strict prohibition aganist even
touching alcohol, much less drinking it..

World wide, the number of homosexuals executed by muslims and in islamic
countries continues..

Yet.. we are supposed to absorb the sound bite that this guy, who went to
mosque [and a strict one at that] frequented a gay bar, got drunk there?

Naw.. ain't buying that..

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> WHen it is a moose, the gun did it.  If a non-moose does it, then it is
> all about how terrible white christians (and guns) are.
>
> Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 10:28 AMvia Postbox <
>> https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email_medium=sumlink_campaign=reach
>> >
>> Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at the
>> bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I heard
>> it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way.  Father
>> (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat, said he
>> was gay but that the American authorities told her not to say that.
>>
>> And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all
>> out to be about the "automatic-style rifle."
>>
>> --JC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> archer75--- via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 7:36 AMvia Postbox <
>> https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email_medium=sumlink_campaign=reach
>> >
>>
>>> On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
That is the real issue - are you willing to
 risk your self and your family to keep your rights?

>>>
>> And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
>>> If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
>>> have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
>>> The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside
>>> there is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is
>>> one shooter or several.
>>> The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. They
>>> don't want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
>>> If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a
>>> dead  hero. You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan of
>>> attack that makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or
>>> injured when the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s).
>>> Might be bad news for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste
>>> trained officers in some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is
>>> actually happening.
>>> RB
>>>
>> ~~~
>> The nightclub gaurd, an off-duty police officer, did engage the killer in
>> gun fire before the police arrived.
>> The police engaged the killer in gunfire after they arrived and one
>> officer got shot in the head, but his Kevlar helmet save him.
>> Then the killer holed up in a bathroom with five hostages and began
>> talking to police on his cellphone.
>> After long conversations, he made comments that sounded like he was going
>> to kill the hostages, so the police used some sort of vehicle and punched
>> holes through the outside walls into the restrooms.
>> At some point they ignited a noise bomb to cause confusion and the
>> hostages escaped through the punched hole. Up to 30 escaped from another
>> bathroom through another hole that had been punched in the wall.
>> Then the killer came out through the hole and exchanged gunfire with the
>> police and was killed.
>> This was the NYT version of the events from last night. It may be changed
>> after hostages have been interviewed and/or some sell their story to the
>> media. If this version is true, then the police did ignore their own safety
>> and go after the killer, and probably prevented more hostage deaths.
>> Gerry
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>>
>>
>> And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
>>
>> If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
>> have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
>>
>> The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside
>> there is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is
>> one shooter or several.
>>
>> The police do not want to get caught shooting 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Good info.  I have never actually seen the insides of an M1.  After he 
kicked the bucket, I found out my very quiet neighbor was known far and 
wide for refinishing and repairing the M1 wood.   Only once did he ever 
talk much, and that was not long before he kicked off.  He was only in 
his 50s.  Had I found out, I might have been able to handle one.


When I was a kid, I remember the monkey ward sale papers have several 
typed of rif les  for sale  for around $20 and they also were selling mi 
car bines.  That all ended in 1963.  I've wished many times I had 
ordered a few.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 10:21 PMvia Postbox 


The M-1 rifle had an unusual arrangement.  The en-bloc clip (which held 8
cartridges) was actually inserted into the top of the rifle.  An internal
magazine fed cartridges  into the chamber while the clip remained in the
rifle.  The clip ejected from the bottom of the rifle after the last round
was fired.  This hybrid design may have contributed to the confusion between
clips and magazines.  Many older rifles used a stripper clip that  attached
above an internal magazine such that the rifleman manually pushed the stack
of cartridges down the clip and into the magazine.  The awful, hated black
rifle (aka Armalite 15/16 pattern) normally uses a 20 or 30 round detachable
magazine.  Military cartridges come in 10-round stripper clips with an
adapter called a "spoon".  You can attach the loaded clip to the top of the
magazine (with the spoon) and load all 10 rounds with one authoritative
push.

As a point of information, in many states you cannot hunt deer with an AR-15
or other rifle using the military 5.56 (aka .223) cartridge because it is
not considered sufficiently powerful for large game.  The .223 cartridge
started like as a varmint load.


-Original Message-
From: Curley McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:47 PM

Not to argue, as I am sure you are technically correct, and I believe the
military does use that nomenclature.  Out here in the sticks, I always

heard

the M1 type as a "stripper clip" while the replaceable magazine was called

a

clip.  The origin of magazine was where (black) powder was stored.





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OK Don via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 1:32 PMvia Postbox 


You are correct -

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 12:58 AMvia Postbox 

The correct term is magazine. A clip only holds cartridges, normally 
outside the gun, until they are loaded in a magazine. A magazine may 
be integral to a gun (like the M-1) or removable (like the M-14 or 
M-16) and preloaded before being inserted into the gun.





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OK Don via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 12:42 PMvia Postbox 


What you really mean is clips that hold large amounts of ammunition. Any
gun except my single shot shotgun can kill lots of people quickly. So, no,
a ban on any one particular type of gun is not going to have any effect.
What you need is a ban on radical fundamentalists of nay stripe - they
should be fair game open season all year long.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 12:18 PMvia Postbox 

I guess I meant "currently legal guns that have the capability to kill 
lots

of people quickly"

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The M-1 rifle had an unusual arrangement.  The en-bloc clip (which held 8
cartridges) was actually inserted into the top of the rifle.  An internal
magazine fed cartridges  into the chamber while the clip remained in the
rifle.  The clip ejected from the bottom of the rifle after the last round
was fired.  This hybrid design may have contributed to the confusion between
clips and magazines.  Many older rifles used a stripper clip that  attached
above an internal magazine such that the rifleman manually pushed the stack
of cartridges down the clip and into the magazine.  The awful, hated black
rifle (aka Armalite 15/16 pattern) normally uses a 20 or 30 round detachable
magazine.  Military cartridges come in 10-round stripper clips with an
adapter called a "spoon".  You can attach the loaded clip to the top of the
magazine (with the spoon) and load all 10 rounds with one authoritative
push.  

As a point of information, in many states you cannot hunt deer with an AR-15
or other rifle using the military 5.56 (aka .223) cartridge because it is
not considered sufficiently powerful for large game.  The .223 cartridge
started like as a varmint load.

> -Original Message-
> From: Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:47 PM
> 
> Not to argue, as I am sure you are technically correct, and I believe the
> military does use that nomenclature.  Out here in the sticks, I always
heard
> the M1 type as a "stripper clip" while the replaceable magazine was called
a
> clip.  The origin of magazine was where (black) powder was stored.
> 



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Re: [MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's what makes the 85 the best year, the converter locked in at a lower rpm 
which makes the more peppy off the line.

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:08 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> My best Indies always said the 84 300SD was the best. Something to do with MB 
> trying to "improve" the torque converter in the tranny in the 85 making it 
> worse than the 84. I don't know personally as I've never owned either. But 
> these Indies were mostly spot on about what they told me on my 80 300SD and 
> my 83 300D. Just some extra info. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Yup.  "Sum of all Fears."  Otherwise, the flic was OK.  I did enjoy Mr.
Clark's clean-up (with his Russian counterpart) at the end.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:43 PM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
> Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question
> 
> When HollyWierd did that Clancy novel, didn't they morph the evil mooslims
> into NeoNazis?
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> clay via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 3:53 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: clay
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question
> 
> I am wondering just how long it will take Howllywood to come out with a
> Movie of the Week based on this event.  Are the dead Gay folk the heroes,
or
> does that fall on the cops?  Will the bad guy have horns and be full
> Mslim, or do they go with slightly creepy nerd?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> clay
> 
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> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL
> - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 3:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > Rule in the military.. Once the first shot is fired, all battle plans
> > go
> to
> > hell
> >
> > Police train routinely to take down known shooter situations.
> > Government funds, both state and federal are allocated to that
> > training, since 911, and Homeland Security.. 4 hours to bleed to death
> > is a very long time.. if you are the one bleeding..
> >
> > It is why police SWAT units are equipped with level 1 armor with armor
> > plate inserts to take rounds and survive.. as well as other items of
> > superior fire power... sooo..
> >
> > Sorry.. standing outside while people bleed out and more people are
> > killed is "poor police action" ... I choose to take issue with that
> > course of decisions.
> >
> > As well as taking issue that the shooter was on the FBI short list
> > several times before.. Where was Homeland Security, FBI, TSA, and all
> > the other "3 letters" ??
> >
> > I want more for my tax dollars than lip service.. and more lip..
> >
> >
>  email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campai
> gn=sig-email_content=webmail_term=oa-2322-b>
> > Virus-free
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> > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>>  That is the real issue - are you willing to risk your self and your
> >>> family to keep your rights?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
> >>
> >> If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would
> >> you have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
> >>
> >> The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere
> >> inside there is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for
> >> sure if it is one shooter or several.
> >>
> >> The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers.
> >> They don't want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
> >>
> >> If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a
> >> dead hero. You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated
> >> plan of
> attack
> >> that makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or injured
> when
> >> the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s). Might be bad
> >> news for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste trained
> >> officers
> in
> >> some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is actually happening.
> >>
> >> RB
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Re: [MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
My best Indies always said the 84 300SD was the best. Something to do with MB 
trying to "improve" the torque converter in the tranny in the 85 making it 
worse than the 84. I don't know personally as I've never owned either. But 
these Indies were mostly spot on about what they told me on my 80 300SD and my 
83 300D. Just some extra info. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not to argue, as I am sure you are technically correct, and I believe 
the military does use that nomenclature.  Out here in the sticks, I 
always heard the M1 type as a "stripper clip" while the replaceable 
magazine was called a clip.  The origin of magazine was where (black) 
powder was stored.



OK Don via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 1:32 PMvia Postbox 


You are correct -

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 12:58 AMvia Postbox 

The correct term is magazine. A clip only holds cartridges, normally 
outside the gun, until they are loaded in a magazine. A magazine may 
be integral to a gun (like the M-1) or removable (like the M-14 or 
M-16) and preloaded before being inserted into the gun.





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OK Don via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 12:42 PMvia Postbox 


What you really mean is clips that hold large amounts of ammunition. Any
gun except my single shot shotgun can kill lots of people quickly. So, no,
a ban on any one particular type of gun is not going to have any effect.
What you need is a ban on radical fundamentalists of nay stripe - they
should be fair game open season all year long.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 12:18 PMvia Postbox 

I guess I meant "currently legal guns that have the capability to kill 
lots

of people quickly"

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 12:11 PMvia Postbox 


They already are, fully automatic weapons have been banned for years.
Did you perhaps mean "Scary black guns" instead?
-Curt

From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Meade Dillon 


Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

Or maybe banning the sale of assault weapons?

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[MBZ] Hood ornament repair Pix

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM

My project from this weekend.  SWMBO took the '95 E300 through an automatic car 
wash several months ago, and the hood ornament was broken internally, so it 
came free of the spring.

I use a dremel tool to grind out the hole big enough to accept a pin, glued 
that in place with JB Weld, got to get that angle just right.  Pin diameter is 
also key, just small enough to fit in the hole that as occupied by the spring.  
Wedged a piece of fuel hose on the underside, so the friction fit of the pin in 
the hose will keep the ornament in place.  It can be easily removed, if she 
remembers, before the next pass through the car wash...
-- 
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] James May new show

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Need some pix please!  Sounds fascinating!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 14, 2016 9:34:37 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Yep.
>
>My grandfather had a big chest of drawers/secretary that was built on 
>the east coast, probably before the Revolution.  The top "drawer"
>pulled 
>out, then the front folded down to make the secretary, pretty much a 
>stand up desk, with cubbyholes that slid out when you dropped the 
>front.  About 100 years ago, my grandfather took out the cubbyholes and
>
>hardware and nailed the front to the sides.  My mom got the box full of
>
>little boxes that used to be the cubbyholes of the old secretary years 
>ago.  About 3 years ago, I finally got the chest and the boxes. My 
>grandmother gave the chest to me years ago.  I never had a house big 
>enough or fancy enough for it, so it sat on my parents porch for years.
>
>This afternoon i took it to a restorer.  there were probably 50 or so 
>pieces.  in less than an hour, he had figured out pretty much where 
>everything went originally.  That was quite a puzzle.  Next is to do 
>some research to see if anyone know who made such things, and if there 
>is a similar one somewhere to figure out how the sliding part worked.  
>Then to find or make the hardware, and repair, assemble, and finish. 
>It 
>was to ma a huge accomplishment to finally see how most of the pieces 
>fit together.  No manual, no picture, nobody alive who had ever seen it
>
>assembled.  The front of the cubbyholes had birdseye maple veneer,
>while 
>the chest itself is walnut.
>
>The story goes that the Parrot family of virginia, possibly now West 
>Virginia) sent it west with their newlywed daughter and her husband to 
>the wild land of the Wisconsin territory, or perhaps the Ioway 
>territory, depending on what year the migration took place.  That new 
>bride was my great great grandmother.
>
>Maybe some of y'all with east cost connections might have some clues 
>about the chest?
>
>> Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 12:13 PMvia Postbox 
>>
>
>> The ultimate challenge is to try and put something together without a
>
>> manual. I have tried that myself and actually have been successful. 
>> Sometimes, I don't have anybody around to read the manual, and since 
>> it is not in Braille, I just go for it!
>> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
>>
>> Sent from my cell
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>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> June 13, 2016 at 1:48 PMvia Postbox 
>>
>
>> Have you guys seen James May's new show, "Reassembler"? They give him
>
>> something all in pieces and with the manual he puts it back together?
>> Weird idea for a show but strangely relaxing to watch. He drones on a
>
>> bit, gives a little history and builds (rebuilds I guess) something.
>I 
>> watched the first episode where he puts together a lawnmower from the
>
>> '50s. Its on Youtube...
>> Another James May show is "Man Lab". I've been hoping they'd do 
>> another season. Its kind of dumb but interesting anyway.
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] This is very interesting AND diesel content!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Indeed it is!!!

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> http://jalopnik.com/tiny-rotary-engine-thats-not-a-wankel-powers-go-kart-fo-1781988639
>
> --JC
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] This is very interesting AND diesel content!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes
-- 
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 14, 2016 8:50:07 PM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>http://jalopnik.com/tiny-rotary-engine-thats-not-a-wankel-powers-go-kart-fo-1781988639
>
>--JC
>
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[MBZ] Looks like a decent 500sel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1985 Mercedes Benz 500 SEL
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5635840947.html

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Re: [MBZ] James May new show

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep.

My grandfather had a big chest of drawers/secretary that was built on 
the east coast, probably before the Revolution.  The top "drawer" pulled 
out, then the front folded down to make the secretary, pretty much a 
stand up desk, with cubbyholes that slid out when you dropped the 
front.  About 100 years ago, my grandfather took out the cubbyholes and 
hardware and nailed the front to the sides.  My mom got the box full of 
little boxes that used to be the cubbyholes of the old secretary years 
ago.  About 3 years ago, I finally got the chest and the boxes. My 
grandmother gave the chest to me years ago.  I never had a house big 
enough or fancy enough for it, so it sat on my parents porch for years.


This afternoon i took it to a restorer.  there were probably 50 or so 
pieces.  in less than an hour, he had figured out pretty much where 
everything went originally.  That was quite a puzzle.  Next is to do 
some research to see if anyone know who made such things, and if there 
is a similar one somewhere to figure out how the sliding part worked.  
Then to find or make the hardware, and repair, assemble, and finish.  It 
was to ma a huge accomplishment to finally see how most of the pieces 
fit together.  No manual, no picture, nobody alive who had ever seen it 
assembled.  The front of the cubbyholes had birdseye maple veneer, while 
the chest itself is walnut.


The story goes that the Parrot family of virginia, possibly now West 
Virginia) sent it west with their newlywed daughter and her husband to 
the wild land of the Wisconsin territory, or perhaps the Ioway 
territory, depending on what year the migration took place.  That new 
bride was my great great grandmother.


Maybe some of y'all with east cost connections might have some clues 
about the chest?



Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 12:13 PMvia Postbox 

The ultimate challenge is to try and put something together without a 
manual. I have tried that myself and actually have been successful. 
Sometimes, I don't have anybody around to read the manual, and since 
it is not in Braille, I just go for it!

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

Sent from my cell


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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 1:48 PMvia Postbox 

Have you guys seen James May's new show, "Reassembler"? They give him 
something all in pieces and with the manual he puts it back together?
Weird idea for a show but strangely relaxing to watch. He drones on a 
bit, gives a little history and builds (rebuilds I guess) something. I 
watched the first episode where he puts together a lawnmower from the 
'50s. Its on Youtube...
Another James May show is "Man Lab". I've been hoping they'd do 
another season. Its kind of dumb but interesting anyway.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My dad had 23-26 dodges.  He chopped the frame, extended it and made 
them into trucks, all without a welder.  He had a chisel that looked 
like a hammer that was used to cut the frame rivets.  He sold the last 
~24 dodge truck in the early 80s.



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 10:46 AMvia Postbox 



Oilfield Dodge, also.
thanks to Grant http://www.tvraaca.org/oilfielddodge1920i.htm
mao

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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:49 AMvia Postbox 

I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's 
pretty much baked in to a number of different things.


Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice 
with it, I believe.


Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. 
Nothing you can't get around in these


Dan

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:42 AMvia Postbox 

This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security 
stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. 
If you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually 
thrown in for free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot 
of things defeating the electronic nannys is kind of important.

-Curt

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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

Crap.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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Crap.

Bob R
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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 8:10 AMvia Postbox 

One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS 
fails, you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing 
everything in the system unless you have access to a Xentry system, 
and in some cases not even that. Pretty much a $tealership only repair.


Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my 
choice to revert back to simple stuff.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

WHen it is a moose, the gun did it.  If a non-moose does it, then it is 
all about how terrible white christians (and guns) are.



Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 10:28 AMvia Postbox 

Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at 
the bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when 
I heard it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this 
way.  Father (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom 
he beat, said he was gay but that the American authorities told her 
not to say that.


And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all 
out to be about the "automatic-style rifle."


--JC




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June 14, 2016 at 7:36 AMvia Postbox 


On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

   That is the real issue - are you willing to
risk your self and your family to keep your rights?



And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside there 
is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is one shooter 
or several.
The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. They don't 
want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a dead  hero. 
You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan of attack that 
makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or
injured when the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s).
Might be bad news for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste 
trained officers in some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is actually 
happening.
RB

~~~
The nightclub gaurd, an off-duty police officer, did engage the killer in gun 
fire before the police arrived.
The police engaged the killer in gunfire after they arrived and one officer got 
shot in the head, but his Kevlar helmet save him.
Then the killer holed up in a bathroom with five hostages and began talking to 
police on his cellphone.
After long conversations, he made comments that sounded like he was going to 
kill the hostages, so the police used some sort of vehicle and punched holes 
through the outside walls into the restrooms.
At some point they ignited a noise bomb to cause confusion and the hostages 
escaped through the punched hole. Up to 30 escaped from another bathroom 
through another hole that had been punched in the wall.
Then the killer came out through the hole and exchanged gunfire with the police 
and was killed.
This was the NYT version of the events from last night. It may be changed after 
hostages have been interviewed and/or some sell their story to the media. If 
this version is true, then the police did ignore their own safety and go after 
the killer, and probably prevented more hostage deaths.
Gerry

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And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.

If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would 
you have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?


The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere 
inside there is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure 
if it is one shooter or several.


The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. 
They don't want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.


If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a 
dead hero. You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan 
of attack that makes it less likely that the officers will be killed 
or injured when the team storms the place and takes out the bad 
guy(s). Might be bad news for the folks inside, but it would be 
foolish to waste trained officers in some mad scramble if no one has 
any clue what is actually happening.


RB



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[MBZ] This is very interesting AND diesel content!

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/tiny-rotary-engine-thats-not-a-wankel-powers-go-kart-fo-1781988639

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Re: [MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

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Ocala.  About two hours north, a straight shot up I-75.  Same place the bikers 
I sold the POS 300D to were from.

Dan


> On Jun 14, 2016, at 7:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 85 is the best year for those, and it looks like it's in good shape. I would 
> be all over that deal. Hell how far is it from you? Maybe I will get all over 
> that deal.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

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Go for it Kaleb - -" I can deliver it to your location."

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 85 is the best year for those, and it looks like it's in good shape. I
> would be all over that deal. Hell how far is it from you? Maybe I will get
> all over that deal.
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Enough overfilling will froth the oil and the resulting air bubbles can make
hydraulic lifters "soft", which accelerates wear from excess movement as the
air bubbles compress.  Also, entrained air can reduce lubrication at
pressure-fed bearings (mains, cam, etc.).  Having said that, it's a matter
of how long it's run, with how much excess oil, and under what level of
stress.  So it's a crap shoot.  If the lifters sound OK I doubt there is
much damage.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> WILTON via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:14 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: WILTON 
> Subject: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI
> 
> Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's
> crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly
over-
> filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out -
just a
> pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't forget:
I'm
> the guy who made the $2 sucker.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

85 is the best year for those, and it looks like it's in good shape. I would be 
all over that deal. Hell how far is it from you? Maybe I will get all over that 
deal.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD W/O Reverse

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Very optimistic. You should go look at it.

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> I think they’re a little optimistic.
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5626926714.html 
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Re: [MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

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Kleb should be all over that deal. I shouldn't be but I want to...

--JC


On 6/14/16 7:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

If you had the place to do the work:

http://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/5596456496.html 


Dan
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[MBZ] This actually looks like a good deal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you had the place to do the work:

http://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/5596456496.html 


Dan
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[MBZ] 350SD W/O Reverse

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think they’re a little optimistic.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5626926714.html 


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT this might impress someone

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Trust me, FL is not entertaining.  I kept expecting him to invite us to 
a "meeting" at his vast Johns Island farmette.


--JC


On 6/14/16 5:17 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Foghorn Leghorn would've been my first choice, he and trump would be endless 
entertainment   Isn't that what this is about, entertainment?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Jetta is done

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOY!

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:58 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Jetta is done


Today I went and bought another bolt that was too short but in a flash of 
inspiration I realized the original bolt I'd bought would work if I just 
used it upside down... DUH! So the bolt runs up to the nut instead of the 
other way.
Pentosin should get an award for poor packaging. Theres no instructions 
and I spilled about an ounce of the stuff just opening the cap which is a 
pull and then twist, not just a twist. It also pours really slowly and it 
took most of a liter to refill the PS reservoir.
I'd pulled the horn on Sunday, its dead, I ordered another which should be 
here tomorrow, fixmyvw.com with a real, made to fit for the same price as 
a generic.
While I was at it I checked the oil (low), tires (3 high, one low, its 
warm today) and spent some quality time with Houdini lock lube and the 
trunk lock. I got some brown crud out on the key, I kept spraying the lock 
and wiping the key until the crud quit coming out. I should probably 
repeat in a week or two and see if it stays working.
Anyway, back on the road, actual price of repair is around $30 for the 
$23/l of Pentosin and a bolt/nut/lockwasher. I used stainless so hopefully 
it'll be easy to remove if needed.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] '07 E320 CDI: was '07 RE320CDI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Don't know how the R got in there - slip of a finger, I guess - it's not an 
R, just E320CDI.


Wilt

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Donald Snook" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI


I doubt it will make much difference unless it was routinely and 
consistently overfilled.


By the way, I didn't know you had an R Class!  I moved my office a couple 
years ago and discovered an independent shop down the street.  I have 
gotten to know the guy and he knows what he is doing and done great work 
on every car I have brought him.   The other day when I stopped in he was 
a little frustrated.  I noticed he was working on an R Class diesel and he 
had almost the whole dash apart.  The car had a bad evaporator!   What a 
job.


-Original Message-
From: WILTON [mailto:wilt...@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it 
out - just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass. 
Don't forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.


Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] OT this might impress someone

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Foghorn Leghorn would've been my first choice, he and trump would be endless 
entertainment   Isn't that what this is about, entertainment?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 14, 2016 5:14:16 PM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>There is a woman running against "Appalachian Trail" (or was that 
>"Argentinian Tail"?) Mark Sanford in the primary, I'd be OK with either
>
>given neither distinguishes him/herself in any significant way, so I 
>didn't figure my vote would matter much in that contest. That really
>was 
>the only R choice, aside from the drunk bloviator and maybe someone 
>else, neither of whom would succeed against Gerry Mander.
>
>--JC
>
>
>On 6/14/16 5:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> If Rush knew you voted for a D he would cancel your radio license.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I went and voted in the primary this afternoon, and I voted a Dem
>> ballot!  Because I kinda like our current state rep, and the D
>guy
>> running against him is a self-promoting slick-talking preacher. 
>A
>> D will win no matter which R runs against him (and one of the R
>> candidates is a drunk and acts like Foghorn Leghorn and always
>> calls me by whatever name was last in his memory stack).
>>
>> Good news is that I was in and out while Rush was still at the
>top
>> of the hour commercial break! WOOWOO!
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT this might impress someone

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

There is a woman running against "Appalachian Trail" (or was that 
"Argentinian Tail"?) Mark Sanford in the primary, I'd be OK with either 
given neither distinguishes him/herself in any significant way, so I 
didn't figure my vote would matter much in that contest. That really was 
the only R choice, aside from the drunk bloviator and maybe someone 
else, neither of whom would succeed against Gerry Mander.


--JC


On 6/14/16 5:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

If Rush knew you voted for a D he would cancel your radio license.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
> wrote:


I went and voted in the primary this afternoon, and I voted a Dem
ballot!  Because I kinda like our current state rep, and the D guy
running against him is a self-promoting slick-talking preacher.  A
D will win no matter which R runs against him (and one of the R
candidates is a drunk and acts like Foghorn Leghorn and always
calls me by whatever name was last in his memory stack).

Good news is that I was in and out while Rush was still at the top
of the hour commercial break! WOOWOO!

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Re: [MBZ] Car Porn.. Think you have a hard drive to work?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hey, it's hot out there!  Gimme a brake.

My son was a devoted Burner for 10 years.  I never had the urge...

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:15 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Like "Burning Man"? Glad you survived Andrew. [:o)
> Gerry
>
> JULY 5, 2015
> THE FEDS ARE GOING TO BURNING MAN, TOO — IN A $1 MILLION COMPOUND COMPLETE
> WITH AIR CONDITIONING AND ICE CREAM
>
> Sex, drugs, and techno dubstep in the desert. The feds are coming to
> Burning Man too, but they’ll be relaxing in an air-conditioned compound
> with soft serve ice cream.
>
> The Bureau of Land Management is refusing to grant a permit for the
> Burning Man music and culture festival unless organizers pay more than $1
> million for a lavish compound, complete with portable showers, washers and
> dryers, air conditioning, refrigerators, and flush toilets.
>
> The BLM’s district manager, Gene Seidlitz, told the San Francisco
> Chronicle his agents need the amenities to oversee the Burning Man festival.
>
> “A lot of folks think we’re like participants in that we are out there to
> enjoy the event and party. But my staff and I have to be rested,
> well-nourished and accommodated to the bare minimum so we can ensure
> health, security and safety at the event.”
>
>
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>
> ~~~
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> > places.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > That would be a frightening experience, wouldn't it Andrew.. 300 miles
> away
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> by
> > > dark, and maybe even wild animals.. the only concrete in sight,
> isn't
> > >
> > > Then to be hauled in by a gun toting conservative deputy who only uses
> John
> > > Wayne toilet paper.. you know, it's rough, it's tough, and it don't
> take
> > > shit off nobody... Better stay in DC, where it's safe hell.. there
> > > could still be Indians out there ;))
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Re: [MBZ] OT this might impress someone

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If Rush knew you voted for a D he would cancel your radio license.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I went and voted in the primary this afternoon, and I voted a Dem ballot!
> Because I kinda like our current state rep, and the D guy running against
> him is a self-promoting slick-talking preacher.  A D will win no matter
> which R runs against him (and one of the R candidates is a drunk and acts
> like Foghorn Leghorn and always calls me by whatever name was last in his
> memory stack).
>
> Good news is that I was in and out while Rush was still at the top of the
> hour commercial break! WOOWOO!
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[MBZ] OT: Jetta is done

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Today I went and bought another bolt that was too short but in a flash of 
inspiration I realized the original bolt I'd bought would work if I just used 
it upside down... DUH! So the bolt runs up to the nut instead of the other way.
Pentosin should get an award for poor packaging. Theres no instructions and I 
spilled about an ounce of the stuff just opening the cap which is a pull and 
then twist, not just a twist. It also pours really slowly and it took most of a 
liter to refill the PS reservoir.
I'd pulled the horn on Sunday, its dead, I ordered another which should be here 
tomorrow, fixmyvw.com with a real, made to fit for the same price as a generic.
While I was at it I checked the oil (low), tires (3 high, one low, its warm 
today) and spent some quality time with Houdini lock lube and the trunk lock. I 
got some brown crud out on the key, I kept spraying the lock and wiping the key 
until the crud quit coming out. I should probably repeat in a week or two and 
see if it stays working.
Anyway, back on the road, actual price of repair is around $30 for the $23/l of 
Pentosin and a bolt/nut/lockwasher. I used stainless so hopefully it'll be easy 
to remove if needed.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

So, assuming this would actually work, what would be necessary to run 
it?  I recall some discussion of a very specific laptop model for 
reasons I never was clear about.


http://www.mbstarshop.com/service/mercedes-xentry-das-201512-torrent-free-download-10132.html

???

--JC


On 6/14/16 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I can't comment on your car specifically, as I'm not familiar with the 
capabilities of the Xentry system relative to your model, but I would expect 
that any stored faults will show up, and in doing so, will point at the source 
of the issue.

The Xentry system does a good job of getting into the weeds on the later 
models, and just running a full set of diagnostics can yield lots of good 
information.

Kaleb has more experience with the system on pre-2000 MY cars than I do, so 
maybe he'll pop in and offer his insight.

Or he will offer you $500 to take the car off your hands since it's now junk.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I doubt it will make much difference unless it was routinely and consistently 
overfilled.   

By the way, I didn't know you had an R Class!  I moved my office a couple years 
ago and discovered an independent shop down the street.  I have gotten to know 
the guy and he knows what he is doing and done great work on every car I have 
brought him.   The other day when I stopped in he was a little frustrated.  I 
noticed he was working on an R Class diesel and he had almost the whole dash 
apart.  The car had a bad evaporator!   What a job.  

-Original Message-
From: WILTON [mailto:wilt...@nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:14 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out - 
just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't 
forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker. 

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

maybe


On 6/14/2016 1:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

So what I'm reading is my indy can hook it up and be able to determine if
it's the coil in yhe ignition,  the key, or the DAS?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:43 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yes

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
purchase?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.

So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new

key?

What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, umhm.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI



Likely totaled the car.  I'll come pick it up for my usual price.

;)

Seriously, the car didn't tell you it was overfilled?  I doubt much damage
could be done, if any.  One would hope that the engineers anticipated such
an occurrence and if it was potentially damaging, included a system to
alert the driver of the condition.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it 
out
- just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass. 
Don't

forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.

Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

The PO's dealer.
I got car from a broker who got it UNK where.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI


I would take it back to the dealer. Probably did not hurt anything unless 
massively overfilled.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:


Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it 
out - just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass. 
Don't forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.


Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

GREENSboro

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Joel Cairo via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Joel Cairo" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI


MB Stealer in Gboro?  I'd go to the nearest one and make it a point to get 
a note in the service records so if there was any engine damage you would 
be covered.


My understanding is that overfilling causes the oil to foam up by getting 
beat by the crank and conrods and can affect proper lubrication, but I'm 
not sure how it would be on your engine, might depend on how much it was 
overfilled.


--JC


On 6/14/16 2:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it 
out - just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass. 
Don't forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.


Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] Car Porn.. Think you have a hard drive to work?

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Like "Burning Man"? Glad you survived Andrew. [:o)
Gerry

JULY 5, 2015
THE FEDS ARE GOING TO BURNING MAN, TOO — IN A $1 MILLION COMPOUND COMPLETE WITH 
AIR CONDITIONING AND ICE CREAM

Sex, drugs, and techno dubstep in the desert. The feds are coming to Burning 
Man too, but they’ll be relaxing in an air-conditioned compound with soft serve 
ice cream.

The Bureau of Land Management is refusing to grant a permit for the Burning Man 
music and culture festival unless organizers pay more than $1 million for a 
lavish compound, complete with portable showers, washers and dryers, air 
conditioning, refrigerators, and flush toilets.

The BLM’s district manager, Gene Seidlitz, told the San Francisco Chronicle his 
agents need the amenities to oversee the Burning Man festival.

“A lot of folks think we’re like participants in that we are out there to enjoy 
the event and party. But my staff and I have to be rested, well-nourished and 
accommodated to the bare minimum so we can ensure health, security and safety 
at the event.”

http://www.inquisitr.com/2227296/the-feds-are-going-to-burning-man-too-in-a-1-million-compound-complete-with-air-conditioning-and-ice-cream/#t43TRTstKLtHLWHi.99

~~~
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I am not a latte drinker.  Also, I've survived in very rough and remote
> places.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
> > That would be a frightening experience, wouldn't it Andrew.. 300 miles away
> > from the nearest latte`, all by yourself in the wild west, surrounded by
> > dark, and maybe even wild animals.. the only concrete in sight, isn't
> >
> > Then to be hauled in by a gun toting conservative deputy who only uses John
> > Wayne toilet paper.. you know, it's rough, it's tough, and it don't take
> > shit off nobody... Better stay in DC, where it's safe hell.. there
> > could still be Indians out there ;))
> >
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> >
> > > I wouldn't like to get pulled over at night for driving 72 in Montana,
> > > miles from nowhere
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is th sign you want to see on the commute:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dubman.com/spooky/hat/pics/montana.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:24 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
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> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can't comment on your car specifically, as I'm not familiar with the 
capabilities of the Xentry system relative to your model, but I would expect 
that any stored faults will show up, and in doing so, will point at the source 
of the issue.

The Xentry system does a good job of getting into the weeds on the later 
models, and just running a full set of diagnostics can yield lots of good 
information.

Kaleb has more experience with the system on pre-2000 MY cars than I do, so 
maybe he'll pop in and offer his insight.

Or he will offer you $500 to take the car off your hands since it's now junk.

Dan

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So what I'm reading is my indy can hook it up and be able to determine if
> it's the coil in yhe ignition,  the key, or the DAS?
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 11:43 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
 purchase?
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
> 
> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
 key?
> 
> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
> 
> Dan


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So what I'm reading is my indy can hook it up and be able to determine if
it's the coil in yhe ignition,  the key, or the DAS?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:43 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
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> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
> >>>
> >>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
> >> key?
> >>>
> >>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> >>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
>> purchase?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>>> 
>>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
>> key?
>>> 
>>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
>>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

"Do not attribute to malice, that which can adequately be explained by
stupidity". Hanlon's razor.

I wish people in general, and new people is specific, would not talk about
things they have no knowledge of (written by someone who just confused
clips with magazines). I had to cringe several times when watching Longmire
as they showed a close range shotgun blast as pellets covering the whole
side of a head and talking of CB radio and ham radio as the same thing.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all out
> to be about the "automatic-style rifle."
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup.

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
>> purchase?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>>> 
>>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
>> key?
>>> 
>>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
>>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Boatloads of them, all Chinee knockoffs, readily available.

You can get complete systems with a laptop for $500-$600, and with just a USB 
hard drive and the cables and mux for around $300, I think.

You can't do squat on later model cars without one.

Dan

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
> purchase?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>> 
>> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?
>> 
>> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
>> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would take it back to the dealer. Probably did not hurt anything unless 
massively overfilled.

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
> crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
> over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out - 
> just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't 
> forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

How many ex-wives are there?  Just heard on Flush that one of the ex-wives
was with him when he purchased the ammo for the attack.

Seems rather foolish to me to alert media about a pending arrest, name the
suspect, and give them some time to either (a) leave or (b) conduct their
own attack or (c) prepare the suicide bomb to take a few police out when
they come to get you.  Just sayin.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is this the one he also beat, or the first wife he beat, or both?  She
> also said the FBI told her not to mention to anyone that he was gay.
>
> --JC
>
>
>
> On 6/14/16 2:17 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I read today that the alleged accomplice is Salman Noor, his former wife.
>> She is alleged to have helped him scout Disney World as a target, and knew
>> in advance of the actual attack. The report states that she will be
>> arrested
>> within the next 24-48 hrs.
>>
>> This is "breaking" and unconfirmed.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My '05 Golf has a big warning by the filler that says that engine damage will 
result from overfilling. Doesn't say what will happen though...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI
   
Likely totaled the car.  I'll come pick it up for my usual price.

;)

Seriously, the car didn't tell you it was overfilled?  I doubt much damage
could be done, if any.  One would hope that the engineers anticipated such
an occurrence and if it was potentially damaging, included a system to
alert the driver of the condition.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's
> crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly
> over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out
> - just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't
> forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.
>
> Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Is this the one he also beat, or the first wife he beat, or both?  She 
also said the FBI told her not to mention to anyone that he was gay.


--JC


On 6/14/16 2:17 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I read today that the alleged accomplice is Salman Noor, his former wife.
She is alleged to have helped him scout Disney World as a target, and knew
in advance of the actual attack. The report states that she will be arrested
within the next 24-48 hrs.

This is "breaking" and unconfirmed.

Greg

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Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

I heard on the news this morning (not NPR) that authorities were looking to
arrest a second individual.  Anyone know about this?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


--RR wrote:

Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at

the

bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I

heard

it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way.

Father

(Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat, said

he

was gay but that the American authorities told her not to say that.

And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all

out

to be about the "automatic-style rifle."

This all adds up to "false flag" it seems.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Likely totaled the car.  I'll come pick it up for my usual price.

;)

Seriously, the car didn't tell you it was overfilled?  I doubt much damage
could be done, if any.  One would hope that the engineers anticipated such
an occurrence and if it was potentially damaging, included a system to
alert the driver of the condition.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's
> crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly
> over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out
> - just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't
> forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.
>
> Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You are correct -

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The correct term is magazine.  A clip only holds cartridges, normally
> outside the gun, until they are loaded in a magazine.  A magazine may be
> integral to a gun (like the M-1) or removable (like the M-14 or M-16) and
> preloaded before being inserted into the gun.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  Don via Mercedes
> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 1:43 PM
> >
> > What you really mean is clips that hold large amounts of ammunition...
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

MB Stealer in Gboro?  I'd go to the nearest one and make it a point to 
get a note in the service records so if there was any engine damage you 
would be covered.


My understanding is that overfilling causes the oil to foam up by 
getting beat by the crank and conrods and can affect proper lubrication, 
but I'm not sure how it would be on your engine, might depend on how 
much it was overfilled.


--JC


On 6/14/16 2:14 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out - 
just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't 
forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker.

Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Is that the fancy laptop that my indy hooks up to my cars?

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:29 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
> purchase?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
> >
> > So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new
> key?
> >
> > What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> > where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is the Xentry system (or something equivalent) available for Bob to
purchase?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>
> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?
>
> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>
> Dan
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I read today that the alleged accomplice is Salman Noor, his former wife.
She is alleged to have helped him scout Disney World as a target, and knew
in advance of the actual attack. The report states that she will be arrested
within the next 24-48 hrs.

This is "breaking" and unconfirmed.

Greg

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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

I heard on the news this morning (not NPR) that authorities were looking to
arrest a second individual.  Anyone know about this?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> --RR wrote:
> > Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at
the
> > bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I
> heard
> > it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way.
> Father
> > (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat, said
> he
> > was gay but that the American authorities told her not to say that.
> >
> > And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all
> out
> > to be about the "automatic-style rifle."
>
> This all adds up to "false flag" it seems.
> mao
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[MBZ] '07 RE320 CDI

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Some yahoo (supposedly at MB stealership, too) over-filled Schwartze's 
crankcase before I bought it.  What's ramification of running slightly 
over-filled - 'don't  know how much yet.  BTW, I know 'bout sucking it out - 
just a pain for me use right now for the actions of some jackass.  Don't 
forget:  I'm the guy who made the $2 sucker. 

Wilt
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Dunno...I should ask.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 11:06 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.
>
> So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?
>
> What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm
> where the problem is before throwing (your) money at it?
>
> Dan
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The dealer said they empirically,  85% of the time it's the key, 12% of
> the
> > time it's the coil in the ignition switch, and 3% of the time is a gross
> > DAS failure. New key is $308 from said dealer. I reckon that is where I
> > will start.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Jun 14, 2016 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's
> >> pretty much baked in to a number of different things.
> >>
> >> Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice
> >> with it, I believe.
> >>
> >> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing
> >> you can't get around in these
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security
> >> stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If
> >> you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in
> for
> >> free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things
> defeating
> >> the electronic nannys is kind of important.
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
> >>>
> >>> Crap.
> >>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And the process begins... The draining of the wallet.

So how do they troubleshoot the issue? Start with making you buy a new key?

What would it cost to have them toss it on a Xentry system to confirm where the 
problem is before throwing (your) money at it?

Dan

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The dealer said they empirically,  85% of the time it's the key, 12% of the
> time it's the coil in the ignition switch, and 3% of the time is a gross
> DAS failure. New key is $308 from said dealer. I reckon that is where I
> will start.
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's
>> pretty much baked in to a number of different things.
>> 
>> Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice
>> with it, I believe.
>> 
>> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing
>> you can't get around in these
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security
>> stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If
>> you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for
>> free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating
>> the electronic nannys is kind of important.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
>>> 
>>> Crap.
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

The dealer said they empirically,  85% of the time it's the key, 12% of the
time it's the coil in the ignition switch, and 3% of the time is a gross
DAS failure. New key is $308 from said dealer. I reckon that is where I
will start.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's
> pretty much baked in to a number of different things.
>
> Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice
> with it, I believe.
>
> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing
> you can't get around in these
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security
> stuff like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If
> you buy a tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for
> free. Since the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating
> the electronic nannys is kind of important.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
> >
> > Crap.
> >
> > Bob R
> > On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
> >> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in
> the
> >> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
> >> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
> >>
> >> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
> >> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
>  On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Probably so
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Well that sounds expensive
>  On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and
> recoded
> >> by
> > the dealer.
> >
> >> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed
> with
> >> anything newer than a W123.
> >>
> >> Bob R
> >> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The DAS is going bad
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and
> I
> >> turn
>  the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
> >> starts.
>  Tonight it bal
>
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Re: [MBZ] James May new show

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yup.I bought a Vapalux lantern from a guy in Israel some years back. To save on 
shipping he took it down to its component parts so it fit in a very small box. 
The problem was I'd never even SEEN a Vapalux before and they're almost nothing 
like a Coleman...It took me a long time to get it back together and working 
correctly. At that point there wasn't anybody selling the correct mantles in 
the US so I had to modify a mantle from another lantern to work. Interestingly 
that mantle is still working good ~5 years later.
-Curt

  From: Kevin Kraly 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 1:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] James May new show
   
The ultimate challenge is to try and put something together without a manual. I 
have tried that myself and actually have been successful. Sometimes, I don't 
have anybody around to read the manual, and since it is not in Braille, I just 
go for it! 
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

Sent from my cell  

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you guys seen James May's new show, "Reassembler"? They give him 
> something all in pieces and with the manual he puts it back together?
> Weird idea for a show but strangely relaxing to watch. He drones on a bit, 
> gives a little history and builds (rebuilds I guess) something. I watched the 
> first episode where he puts together a lawnmower from the '50s. Its on 
> Youtube...
> Another James May show is "Man Lab". I've been hoping they'd do another 
> season. Its kind of dumb but interesting anyway.
> -Curt
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[MBZ] OT this might impress someone

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I went and voted in the primary this afternoon, and I voted a Dem 
ballot!  Because I kinda like our current state rep, and the D guy 
running against him is a self-promoting slick-talking preacher.  A D 
will win no matter which R runs against him (and one of the R candidates 
is a drunk and acts like Foghorn Leghorn and always calls me by whatever 
name was last in his memory stack).


Good news is that I was in and out while Rush was still at the top of 
the hour commercial break! WOOWOO!


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Re: [MBZ] James May new show

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

The ultimate challenge is to try and put something together without a manual. I 
have tried that myself and actually have been successful. Sometimes, I don't 
have anybody around to read the manual, and since it is not in Braille, I just 
go for it! 
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

Sent from my cell   

> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you guys seen James May's new show, "Reassembler"? They give him 
> something all in pieces and with the manual he puts it back together?
> Weird idea for a show but strangely relaxing to watch. He drones on a bit, 
> gives a little history and builds (rebuilds I guess) something. I watched the 
> first episode where he puts together a lawnmower from the '50s. Its on 
> Youtube...
> Another James May show is "Man Lab". I've been hoping they'd do another 
> season. Its kind of dumb but interesting anyway.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That sucks, Maine has had instant check for years. The worst part is at like a 
gun show, theres usually no internet or good cell service (although it is 
improving) and you'll have to go outside with the dealer to complete that step 
of the transaction.
Theres no reason we can't have nationwide instant check. It should work similar 
to credit reporting where you can check up on yourself and make sure the record 
is accurate.
-Curt

  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mitch Haley' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question
   
The state of WA has implemented a universal check law. If I want to sell or 
gift to a hunting buddy I've known for 50 years I need to go to an FFL holder 
and fork over $25. The check can take up to a few days. If it were actually 
free and instant it would be less onerous.

 

Greg

 

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via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:19 PM
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Mitch Haley
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

 

 

On June 13, 2016 at 1:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:


So are you complete de-regulation?
I'm not a big fan of regulation but I think there are some people who clearly 
shouldn't have guns. The shooter in Orlando for instance. If the laws currently 
on the books for background checks had been doing their job he wouldn't have 
been able to legally buy guns in the first place considering he was a known 
wife-beating anti-social, pretty much all around not-good-guy.
I don't think that instant check infringes on my rights to own a gun in any 
way. More over supporting it would be a win for the NRA since polls seem to 
show most people agree with me. Instead the NRA just looks completely 
obstructionist and their "good guy with a gun" mantra just gives the anti-gun 
crowd more fodder.

 

As you mention in the case at hand, prior restraint does not prevent violent 
crime, so why should the NRA or anybody else embrace it as a 'commie sense gun 
restriction'? 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sapz4qVyHGI

 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

The state of WA has implemented a universal check law. If I want to sell or 
gift to a hunting buddy I've known for 50 years I need to go to an FFL holder 
and fork over $25. The check can take up to a few days. If it were actually 
free and instant it would be less onerous.

 

Greg

 

From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley 
via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 6:19 PM
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Mitch Haley
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

 

 

On June 13, 2016 at 1:55 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:


So are you complete de-regulation?
I'm not a big fan of regulation but I think there are some people who clearly 
shouldn't have guns. The shooter in Orlando for instance. If the laws currently 
on the books for background checks had been doing their job he wouldn't have 
been able to legally buy guns in the first place considering he was a known 
wife-beating anti-social, pretty much all around not-good-guy.
I don't think that instant check infringes on my rights to own a gun in any 
way. More over supporting it would be a win for the NRA since polls seem to 
show most people agree with me. Instead the NRA just looks completely 
obstructionist and their "good guy with a gun" mantra just gives the anti-gun 
crowd more fodder.

 

As you mention in the case at hand, prior restraint does not prevent violent 
crime, so why should the NRA or anybody else embrace it as a 'commie sense gun 
restriction'? 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sapz4qVyHGI

 

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

+1

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good luck with that
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
>> modules out of one car so they're matched."
>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 
>>> 
>>> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different 
>>> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I 
>>> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou 
>>> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to 
>>> the knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

When HollyWierd did that Clancy novel, didn't they morph the evil mooslims
into NeoNazis?

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

I am wondering just how long it will take Howllywood to come out with a
Movie of the Week based on this event.  Are the dead Gay folk the heroes, or
does that fall on the cops?  Will the bad guy have horns and be full
Mslim, or do they go with slightly creepy nerd?




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On Jun 13, 2016, at 3:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> Rule in the military.. Once the first shot is fired, all battle plans go
to
> hell
> 
> Police train routinely to take down known shooter situations. Government
> funds, both state and federal are allocated to that training, since 911,
> and Homeland Security.. 4 hours to bleed to death is a very long time.. if
> you are the one bleeding..
> 
> It is why police SWAT units are equipped with level 1 armor with armor
> plate inserts to take rounds and survive.. as well as other items of
> superior fire power... sooo..
> 
> Sorry.. standing outside while people bleed out and more people are killed
> is "poor police action" ... I choose to take issue with that course of
> decisions.
> 
> As well as taking issue that the shooter was on the FBI short list several
> times before.. Where was Homeland Security, FBI, TSA, and all the other "3
> letters" ??
> 
> I want more for my tax dollars than lip service.. and more lip..
> 
>

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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>>  That is the real issue - are you willing to
>>> risk your self and your family to keep your rights?
>>> 
>>> 
>> And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
>> 
>> If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
>> have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
>> 
>> The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside
>> there is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is
>> one shooter or several.
>> 
>> The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. They
>> don't want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
>> 
>> If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a dead
>> hero. You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan of
attack
>> that makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or injured
when
>> the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s). Might be bad news
>> for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste trained officers
in
>> some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is actually happening.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Andrew:

It took me a while to figure this out. I think he means that you can't
depend on the police to protect you. WOw, that hurt my brain to puzzle out!

Greg

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And your point is...  ??

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
> (In this case, apparently about 240 of them.)
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Car Porn.. Think you have a hard drive to work?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I am not a latte drinker.  Also, I've survived in very rough and remote
places.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> That would be a frightening experience, wouldn't it Andrew.. 300 miles away
> from the nearest latte`, all by yourself in the wild west, surrounded by
> dark, and maybe even wild animals.. the only concrete in sight, isn't
>
> Then to be hauled in by a gun toting conservative deputy who only uses John
> Wayne toilet paper.. you know, it's rough, it's tough, and it don't take
> shit off nobody... Better stay in DC, where it's safe hell.. there
> could still be Indians out there ;))
>
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>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't like to get pulled over at night for driving 72 in Montana,
> > miles from nowhere
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This is th sign you want to see on the commute:
> > >
> > > http://www.dubman.com/spooky/hat/pics/montana.jpg
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:24 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Car Porn.. Think you have a hard drive to work?

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That would be a frightening experience, wouldn't it Andrew.. 300 miles away
from the nearest latte`, all by yourself in the wild west, surrounded by
dark, and maybe even wild animals.. the only concrete in sight, isn't

Then to be hauled in by a gun toting conservative deputy who only uses John
Wayne toilet paper.. you know, it's rough, it's tough, and it don't take
shit off nobody... Better stay in DC, where it's safe hell.. there
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Good luck with that

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
> modules out of one car so they're matched."
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different 
>> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I 
>> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou 
>> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to the 
>> knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

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--Jim wrote:
> When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
> (In this case, apparently about 240 of them.)

Minutes?  The account I heard is they were there from 2am to 5am
before they came in hot.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:
> Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing you 
> can't get around in these

Oilfield Dodge, also.
thanks to Grant http://www.tvraaca.org/oilfielddodge1920i.htm
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And your point is...  ??

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
> (In this case, apparently about 240 of them.)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
(In this case, apparently about 240 of them.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)

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Yeah, anywhere else they could have been nuke-bombed, which they wanted to
avoid at all cost.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Joel Cairo 
wrote:

> Also a nuclear-free zone (the sign proclaiming such was just a block from
> the MIT nuclear reactor) and a domestic violence-free zone, which is likey
> why the Tsarnaev bros went over into Boston to do their evil deeds.
>
> --JC
>
> On 6/14/16 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Where rust has a nurturing environment to grow and thrive.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>
>> Rustbucket in Cambridge, what's not to like.  At least it is not a
>> Cambridge Cadillac.
>>
>> --JC
>>
>>
>> On 6/13/16 8:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Not, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred Moir.
>>> Lynn MA.
>>> Diesel preferred.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
>>> Sent: 14 June 2016 00:21
>>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
>>> Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)
>>>
>>>
>>> fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)
>>>
>>> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5619748610.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I heard on the news this morning (not NPR) that authorities were looking to
arrest a second individual.  Anyone know about this?

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> --RR wrote:
> > Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at the
> > bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I
> heard
> > it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way.
> Father
> > (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat, said
> he
> > was gay but that the American authorities told her not to say that.
> >
> > And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all
> out
> > to be about the "automatic-style rifle."
>
> This all adds up to "false flag" it seems.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Also a nuclear-free zone (the sign proclaiming such was just a block 
from the MIT nuclear reactor) and a domestic violence-free zone, which 
is likey why the Tsarnaev bros went over into Boston to do their evil deeds.


--JC


On 6/14/16 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Where rust has a nurturing environment to grow and thrive.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Rustbucket in Cambridge, what's not to like.  At least it is not a
Cambridge Cadillac.

--JC


On 6/13/16 8:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Not, etc.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
>
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:21
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com 
Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)


fred.s...@verizon.net  forwarded
you this from craigslist:


1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5619748610.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)

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Where rust has a nurturing environment to grow and thrive.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Rustbucket in Cambridge, what's not to like.  At least it is not a
> Cambridge Cadillac.
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 6/13/16 8:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Not, etc.
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: nore...@craigslist.org 
>> Sent: 14 June 2016 00:21
>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)
>>
>>
>> fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>
>> 
>> 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)
>>
>> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5619748610.html
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Re: [MBZ] Just needs a little poos attention

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To each his own...

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
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> What did they do that poor car?  It looks like they thought about making
> it into a derby car.   I can't imagine even many parts would be
> salvageable.  What a shame.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 9:47 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] Just needs a little poos attention
>
>
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> 90s Mercedes Benz
> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/pts/5631394732.html
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 300D

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Yeah, lots of wackoes out there in the ebay zone.

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> I posted it several days ago. The bidding is already into crack town.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--RR wrote:
> Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at the
> bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I heard
> it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this way.  Father
> (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom he beat, said he
> was gay but that the American authorities told her not to say that.
>
> And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all out
> to be about the "automatic-style rifle."

This all adds up to "false flag" it seems.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Car Porn.. Think you have a hard drive to work?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wouldn't like to get pulled over at night for driving 72 in Montana,
miles from nowhere

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> This is th sign you want to see on the commute:
>
> http://www.dubman.com/spooky/hat/pics/montana.jpg
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 12:24 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
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> >
> > http://www.tvraaca.org/oilfielddodge1920i.htm
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Next question

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Now it is being reported that the whackjob was gay, had been drunk at 
the bar several times over the last 3 years.  I had wondered this when I 
heard it, a very conflicted gay muslim taking out his issues in this 
way.  Father (Taliban supporter) called him gay, his former wife, whom 
he beat, said he was gay but that the American authorities told her not 
to say that.


And NPR reporting he used "an automatic-style rifle" and making it all 
out to be about the "automatic-style rifle."


--JC


On 6/14/16 8:36 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 13/06/2016 3:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

   That is the real issue - are you willing to
risk your self and your family to keep your rights?
  

And that relates to the shooting in the bar in Florida.
If you were one of the police officers who attended the scene would you
have wanted to charge inside to get the bad guy?
The lack of information should have made them cautious. Somewhere inside there 
is someone killing people. I assume no one knows for sure if it is one shooter 
or several.
The police do not want to get caught shooting innocent by-standers. They don't 
want to get shot themselves etc. It is a no-win situation.
If you have a wife and children at home, you shouldn't want to be a dead  hero. 
You need to wait while someone  sets up a co-ordinated plan of attack that 
makes it less likely that the officers will be killed or
injured when the team storms the place and takes out the bad guy(s).
Might be bad news for the folks inside, but it would be foolish to waste 
trained officers in some mad scramble if no one has any clue what is actually 
happening.
RB

~~~
The nightclub gaurd, an off-duty police officer, did engage the killer in gun 
fire before the police arrived.
The police engaged the killer in gunfire after they arrived and one officer got 
shot in the head, but his Kevlar helmet save him.
Then the killer holed up in a bathroom with five hostages and began talking to 
police on his cellphone.
After long conversations, he made comments that sounded like he was going to 
kill the hostages, so the police used some sort of vehicle and punched holes 
through the outside walls into the restrooms.
At some point they ignited a noise bomb to cause confusion and the hostages 
escaped through the punched hole. Up to 30 escaped from another bathroom 
through another hole that had been punched in the wall.
Then the killer came out through the hole and exchanged gunfire with the police 
and was killed.
This was the NYT version of the events from last night. It may be changed after 
hostages have been interviewed and/or some sell their story to the media. If 
this version is true, then the police did ignore their own safety and go after 
the killer, and probably prevented more hostage deaths.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Now you're singin' my song!

I had to take in the dogde van in for a recall to replace the fobik.  I 
figgered that was a cheep way to get a couple new fobik "keys"  The new 
fobik screwed up several other things.  So while I got "keys" with 0 on 
the counters, there were tradeoffs that were negative.


I will probably keep a newish fobik van, but I am keeping everything 
else in the 123,124, 126 classes.  If it gets to where I can't get 
enough parts to keep em running for reasonable prices, then the next 
best thing is to move to a small town or neighborhood where you can walk 
to get what you need, or drive an antique tractor to the store.  I am 
looking for a magneto for the tractor for further independence.


They are now braggin that the new stuff will record your location, speed 
and actions for all time.  SO the popos will be doing data mining to 
turn up ways to give you more "revenue enhancement" options AFTER the 
fact.  As soon as they tie the clock to stoplight functions, they will 
no longer "need" red light cameras to send you after the fact tickets.  
They will simply let the computers match your location to the red lights 
and ship off to you an opportunity to enhance their revenue.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:49 AMvia Postbox 

I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's 
pretty much baked in to a number of different things.


Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice 
with it, I believe.


Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. 
Nothing you can't get around in these


Dan


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Re: [MBZ] 1990 300D - SOLD!

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

From what I remember, the conventional wisdom (most of which came from the good 
Dr. Booth (RIP)) was that they will ALL bend the rods if the engine and/or the 
rods were not replaced.  If it was just the rods, they would presumably be the 
newer updated rods and they must have been replaced before the engine was 
damaged beyond repair.  As you said, the fact that it is doing well at 261,000 
miles must mean something was done.  There was one of these on ebay a while 
back.  The seller had a LONG list of things he had done to the car to make it 
perfect.  He had spent a fortune on it.  He also wanted A LOT for the car.  I 
never saw whether it sold. 

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:dpen...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:36 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 300D - SOLD!

Don't know. The repair codes listed on VMIs can be unique, and my dealer parts 
guy said it would take some time and effort to research it. Rather than impose 
on him with something that is not revenue generating, I left it at that.

I can only surmise that something was done to the car in the past, as in the 
ownership of the PO and myself it hasn't developed any of the symptoms of the 
failed rods/engines, lending credence to the assumption something was done in 
the past to alleviate the issue. We know the original owner was pretty 
aggressive about maintaining car, even though there are no records. The shop 
where they took it in Austin, TX recalled both them and the car and their 
efforts to take good care of it.

Dan


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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even if it is not a crate motor, it could have been repaired at the dealer 
> under warranty.  Low five figures?  Did they ever replace the rods with the 
> better updated rods?  Or were the newer rods available in 93? 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:27 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 300D - SOLD!
> 
> Donald,
> 
> I have a 1990 350SDL to be exact.  It was purchased not all that far from you 
> in northern Arkansas.  It currently has 261,000 miles on the clock and runs 
> wonderfully.  I have been unable to substantiate any major service to the car 
> or engine other than something that shows up in the VMI with Mercedes around 
> 1993 that cost into the low five figures.  I can’t imagine anything that 
> expensive other than an engine replacement, but I can’t tell from the service 
> codes in the VMI, and they’re too old for Mercedes to identify.
> 
> On that note, would anyone know if the OM603 has a serial number nameplate on 
> the top of the flywheel housing?  I ask because mine does, but I can’t read 
> it to tell if it’s the original engine serial number or not.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You have a 350SD?  A rodbender? Were you lucky enough that the previous 
>> owner replaced the rods?  I still really want one. But, they are getting 
>> harder and harder to find
>> 
>> Don Snook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

do these fobik systems have a real ignition switch behind them like a 
key switch?  If so, you could chop (dremel) off the fobik stuff and 
maybe turn the switch with a screwdriver like on a 124. (after you take 
out the lock)



Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:47 AMvia Postbox 


I reckon I better get diggin'.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:46 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 



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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don't believe there are any "cheats" to get around this system. It's pretty 
much baked in to a number of different things.

Jaime might have some insight into this, as his stuff has to play nice with it, 
I believe.

Again, roll out the W123/W126 and earlier. Maybe the W124s, too. Nothing you 
can't get around in these

Dan

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security stuff 
> like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If you buy a 
> tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for free. Since 
> the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating the 
> electronic nannys is kind of important.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Bob Rentfro 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
> 
> Crap.
> 
> Bob R
> On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
>> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the
>> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
>> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
>> 
>> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
>> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably so
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Well that sounds expensive
 On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
>> by
> the dealer.
> 
>> On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>> anything newer than a W123.
>> 
>> Bob R
>> On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The DAS is going bad
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I
>> turn
 the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
>> starts.
 Tonight it bal


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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There has to be a wiring diagram around somewhere.  I am sure in LA or 
dallas and probably in phoenix there are illegals who know how to beat 
the system.  How else can they steal cars?



Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:31 AMvia Postbox 


Again, crap.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:29 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 

Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of 
different modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and 
security, if I recall. There are three or four involved with this, so 
if one craps out ou have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install 
and code it, or go to the knackers and get all of the modules out of 
one car so they're matched.


Dan

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Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 10:47 PMvia Postbox 


DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
anything newer than a W123.

Bob R
On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
June 13, 2016 at 9:56 PMvia Postbox 


On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I turn
the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she starts.
Tonight it balked twice before starting.
How to these fob things fail?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I reckon I better get diggin'.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 7:46 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I believe so, yes.  I just know that this was the available approaches for
> the W220 with similar issues.
>
> If he digs around in the BenzWorld forum for this model he should be able
> to identify his options.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the
> modules out of one car so they're matched."
> >
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox <
> https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email_medium=sumlink_campaign=reach
> >
> >> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different
> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I
> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou
> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to
> the knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
> >>
> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe so, yes.  I just know that this was the available approaches for the 
W220 with similar issues.

If he digs around in the BenzWorld forum for this model he should be able to 
identify his options.

Dan

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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So there IS a way out for Bob:  "go to the knackers and get all of the 
> modules out of one car so they're matched."
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 14, 2016 at 9:29 AMvia Postbox 
>> 
>> Nope. The DAS system incorporates the operation of a bunch of different 
>> modules in the car, including the engine, transmission and security, if I 
>> recall. There are three or four involved with this, so if one craps out ou 
>> have to buy a new one and have the $tealer install and code it, or go to the 
>> knackers and get all of the modules out of one car so they're matched.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This is what I like about driving the people's car. When the security stuff 
like that fails the aftermarket figures out a way to defeat it. If you buy a 
tune for your car the immobilizer defeat is usually thrown in for free. Since 
the TDI engines get transplanted into a lot of things defeating the electronic 
nannys is kind of important.
-Curt

  From: Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Bob Rentfro 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W210 Ignition
   
Crap.

Bob R
On Jun 14, 2016 6:11 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> One of the reasons I bailed from my W220. If any part of the DAS fails,
> you're pretty much screwed, as the fix requires replacing everything in the
> system unless you have access to a Xentry system, and in some cases not
> even that.  Pretty much a $tealership only repair.
>
> Gawd I love my W126 more every day. This kind of stuff reinforces my
> choice to revert back to simple stuff.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Probably so
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well that sounds expensive
> >> On Jun 13, 2016 8:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Drive authorization system.  Computers have to be replaced and recoded
> by
> >>> the dealer.
> >>>
>  On 6/13/2016 10:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>  DAS? Please do some 'splainin' cause, remember, I've never messed with
>  anything newer than a W123.
> 
>  Bob R
>  On Jun 13, 2016 8:45 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  The DAS is going bad
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On my 98 E300, once in a while, after the glow light goes out and I
> turn
> >> the fob, no think happens. I then reperform the sequence and she
> starts.
> >> Tonight it balked twice before starting.
> >> How to these fob things fail?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Rustbucket in Cambridge, what's not to like.  At least it is not a 
Cambridge Cadillac.


--JC


On 6/13/16 8:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Not, etc.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: nore...@craigslist.org 
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:21
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)


fred.s...@verizon.net forwarded you this from craigslist:


1985 Mercedes 300CD Turbo Diesel (Keyword 300D 300SD)

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5619748610.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1990 300D - SOLD!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don't know. The repair codes listed on VMIs can be unique, and my dealer parts 
guy said it would take some time and effort to research it. Rather than impose 
on him with something that is not revenue generating, I left it at that.

I can only surmise that something was done to the car in the past, as in the 
ownership of the PO and myself it hasn't developed any of the symptoms of the 
failed rods/engines, lending credence to the assumption something was done in 
the past to alleviate the issue. We know the original owner was pretty 
aggressive about maintaining car, even though there are no records. The shop 
where they took it in Austin, TX recalled both them and the car and their 
efforts to take good care of it.

Dan


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> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even if it is not a crate motor, it could have been repaired at the dealer 
> under warranty.  Low five figures?  Did they ever replace the rods with the 
> better updated rods?  Or were the newer rods available in 93? 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:27 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 300D - SOLD!
> 
> Donald,
> 
> I have a 1990 350SDL to be exact.  It was purchased not all that far from you 
> in northern Arkansas.  It currently has 261,000 miles on the clock and runs 
> wonderfully.  I have been unable to substantiate any major service to the car 
> or engine other than something that shows up in the VMI with Mercedes around 
> 1993 that cost into the low five figures.  I can’t imagine anything that 
> expensive other than an engine replacement, but I can’t tell from the service 
> codes in the VMI, and they’re too old for Mercedes to identify.
> 
> On that note, would anyone know if the OM603 has a serial number nameplate on 
> the top of the flywheel housing?  I ask because mine does, but I can’t read 
> it to tell if it’s the original engine serial number or not.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:19 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You have a 350SD?  A rodbender? Were you lucky enough that the previous 
>> owner replaced the rods?  I still really want one. But, they are getting 
>> harder and harder to find
>> 
>> Don Snook
> 
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