Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Where will they get the power to charge all those electric cars?  Do we
know that those power plants and distribution infrastructure will be
cleaner than IC cars?

On Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 07:50 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.
>
> Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has made urgent calls this year for sweeping
> actions to curb carbon emissions as massive wildfires have devastated the
> West Coast, signed an order Wednesday aimed at helping to phase out
> combustion vehicles in the nation’s most populous state. The measure
> targets ending the sale of new gasoline- and diesel-powered passenger cars
> in California by 2035. The Democratic governor said transitioning to
> zero-emissions vehicles would significantly reduce the state’s greenhouse
> gas output, about half of which comes from transportation. Currently, less
> than 10% of all new vehicle sales in the state are electric. A leading
> auto-manufacturing lobbying group voiced support for expanding electric
> offerings but called for more consumer incentives and infrastructure
> investments to boost demand.
>
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT: broken piston

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 20:19:19 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> But it looks like I can get a engine made after the pistons were 
> strengthened, with a 3 digit odometer reading, for less than pistons, 
> rods, and a gasket set.

That sounds like a deal, and you don't have to tear down an engine ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Y'all been taken over by commies.  I've got three 1995 Mercedes 124 cars, and 
the annual registration is $33 each one year, then down to $11, then back up to 
$33 the next year, and so forth.  My Yacht now costs $15 a year, used to be $25 
for three years but too many Rinos caved and let the taxes go up.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Headlight protection film or the glass lenses?  

I've not used any, should show up in a google search though.

Glass lenses are better if you can find them for your vehicle.

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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Where do you get that stuff?

--FT
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> On Sep 29, 2020, at 11:05 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When you have them all polished and clean, apply some 20 mil (or whatever it 
> is) protectors.  They squeege on with water and can be peeled off.
> 
> With them installed, they are thick enough to prevent UV damage to the lens, 
> so when they turn yellow and hazy again, you peel off the no yellow and hazy 
> protector and install a new one on the still clear and clean lens.
> 
> If fixed the issue on the Golf -- I installed glass headlight covers.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

When you have them all polished and clean, apply some 20 mil (or whatever it 
is) protectors.  They squeege on with water and can be peeled off.

With them installed, they are thick enough to prevent UV damage to the lens, so 
when they turn yellow and hazy again, you peel off the no yellow and hazy 
protector and install a new one on the still clear and clean lens.

If fixed the issue on the Golf -- I installed glass headlight covers.

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Re: [MBZ] Expanding on BAT Crack

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Nice markup for a year of ownership... if it is the same car... and it
certainly appears it may be.

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> Sold last year:
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-240d-01/
>
> For sale this year:
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-240D-Sedan-First-Series/233729819391?hash=item366b6202ff:g:U~4AAOSwMXxfc4LR
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[MBZ] Expanding on BAT Crack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Sold last year:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-240d-01/

For sale this year:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-240D-Sedan-First-Series/233729819391?hash=item366b6202ff:g:U~4AAOSwMXxfc4LR


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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Great diagnostic work

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 4:45 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.
> It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot
> of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear
> the Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and
> code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization
> System, a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip
> in the keys) appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module
> from a junker for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.
>
> Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that
> the starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either
> bad or it was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays
> (there are a bunch that are the same), still no workies.  Turns out
> after doing some electrical diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the
> relay contacts to get the engine to turn over and start with the key in
> Run position 2 (all dash lights come on.  (YAY).  I put a momentary
> contact switch on the jumper wires so I could lift the hood and turn
> over the engine to start.  (I tried to run it into the cabin but
> couldn't find a convenient hole).
>
> So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch,
> that the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the
> start position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive
> the vehicle in position 2.There is a way to test the switch and
> wires right there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it
> is tight in there so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that
> wire is what goes to the relay activator contacts (these are the
> contacts in back of the relay slot that are along the axis of the car,
> the actual starter actuator contacts are the front ones that are
> transverse) and I was getting no power to activate the relay.
>
> Common issue on these vehicles apparently,  can make you crazy, a new
> part is like $25 so I ordered one the other day.
>
> There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and
> the various arms behind it.  There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom
> one, some plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap
> connectors on the right panel.  They mostly pop out with release of the
> tabs and a bit of gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down.
>
> The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing.
> They are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off.  Small hands
> would help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking
> tabs with little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used
> a screwdriver to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to
> squeeze the back one and the connector popped right off.  Note that
> there are some tabs on the top of the copnnector that slide into the
> back of the lock and in the housing so it will only orient one way,
> pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 oclock if you could look from
> the back.
>
> The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are
> also 2 locking tabs that hold it in.  You can feel inside the round
> housing and get the tabs released, although again you can use a
> screwdriver on the one if front.  I could not get a good grip on it to
> pull it out so got a small pair of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull
> it right out.
>
> There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the
> ignition switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the
> new one how it will fit over the key switch tab.  The old one was
> clearly chewed up a bit and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even
> if the slot was OK (which it wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch
> wore out or bound up and would not turn to position 3 to start the engine.
>
> The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the
> housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a
> move it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was
> easy enough.
>
> Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay
> back in, and JOY  Engine started right up.  YAY ME  I did notice
> too that the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely
> buggered from that indication as well.
>
> This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min.
>
> I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved.
>
>
> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/w163-ml500-ignition-switch-no-start-fixed.3060413/
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My Dad had one. Ok engine but ugly styling. Back then AMC was known for 7
main bearing six which was a good engine

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:12 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> No, I haven't, but it is said that they are actually not a bad ride.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:42 PM Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you ever driven  a Pacer? 35.00 tops
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 12:50 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Look at the low miles!  That is a $35K car all day long on BAT, once it
>>> has
>>> been properly sorted...
>>>
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>>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No, I haven't, but it is said that they are actually not a bad ride.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:42 PM Dwight Giles  wrote:

> Have you ever driven  a Pacer? 35.00 tops
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 12:50 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Look at the low miles!  That is a $35K car all day long on BAT, once it
>> has
>> been properly sorted...
>>
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>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Thanks -- read a blog post that was largely similar. I think I will give
this a try on the Focus, since if I screw anything up it hardly
matters. It's a good practice platform.

Allan


G Mann via Mercedes  writes:

> I have recovered a number of sets of headlights that were far gone from
> Arizona sun.
> Here is what I've done.
> 1. Gather a 4 inch soft foam buffing pad, mounted to a variable speed drill.
> 2. Cut several 1,000 grit wet or dry 3M sanding disks from an 8x10 sheet
> 3. While cutting disks, also cut 1,200 grit, 1,500 grit, and 2,000 grit
> disks. [the finer the grit, the more you will need]
> 4. Spray bottle with clean water.
> 5 Tape off all surrounding areas of the headlights. Next step is to sand
> the plastic, and if your disc runs over on to the chrome, or paint, or
> whatever, you now have a new problem. Do not goe there.
> 6. Clean the headlight lense, free of dirt and any contaminant.
> 7. Set the variable speed drill on its lowest speed, run it for a bit to
> "get the feel of it".
> 8. Spray the lense to be polished with water from the spray bottle, you
> will want to keep it wet while sanding it. As sanding material appears,
> spray liberally to flush the grindings off the surface... also, spray the
> sanding disk,, for same reason..
> 9.. Keep the sanding disc in constant motion, with overlapping pattern.
> ONLY USE LIGHT PRESSURE.
> Let the disc "float" on the surface, do not press
> 10.After a bit of buffing/sanding, you will see the haze be removed, and
> when you spray with water to flush away the sanding residue, the water will
> make the lense look "clear"...
>
> 11. At that point, wipe the lense with clean soft paper towel, and dry it
> for inspection. You should see a uniform pattern of sanding scratches
> [1,000 grit scratches only].  You may find areas of haze remain and need
> further sanding / buffing to scrub off the hazed plastic layer... if you
> do... wet, sand, flush, repeat, until you only have a nice smooth plastic
> finish..
> Use plenty of water, slow speed on drill/polish disc, and flush often..
>
> 12. Once the haze is scrubbed off, and only sanding scratches remain. Clean
> the lense again, and change up to the next finer grit... wet, sand,
> repeat you will now be sanding the 1,000 grit scratches out .. again...
> stay in constant motion, keep it wet.
> 13. Shift to next finer ttgrit.. wrinse, sand, repeat at 2,000 grit the
> plastic will start to look pretty clear, but you are not done just yet.
>
> 14. Use only a soft foam 4 inch buffing pad, with plastic polish buffing
> material... [3M , Turtle Wax, several others sell it at FLAPS... one is as
> good as another, in my experience. I like Miguares.]
> Put a few drops of buff/polish on the pad,, spread it around with your
> finger, spray the plastic lense with a light spray of water, and using very
> light pressure, buff the plastic, again,, constant motion across the lense
> in a pattern that covers the whole surface...
> Spray the lense with water to flush the buffing residue and wipe the
> plastic with a soft cloth [paper towel is just harsh enough to make
> scratches at this point]...
> Inspect your work... you may to buff some more.. or you may be all done...
> look for any sanding scratches that need buffed further...
> If you find none... wipe the lense with a good wax... polish the wax just
> like you would if it was the paint [by hand, soft cloth]
> Bobs Yer Unkle...
>
> Probably takes longer to read all this than to actually do a set.
> Look at the lense every time you do an oil change and decide if they need a
> "refre sh". If you catch them early, a brief buff with 2,000 grit followed
> by more wax and buff, keeps them clear.
>
> Hope this Helps,
> Good luck.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ve used this kit from 3M a number of times, and it works great and
>> doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
>>
>>
>> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AIZ5HY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>>
>> There’s really no “treatment” that will fix the hazing that occurs. It’s
>> because the plastic breaks down.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Can anyone recommend a good headlight polishing kit that actually works?
>> >
>> > All my cars with plastic headlight covers are hazy and yellowed. Would
>> > like to address that if I can, but don't want to spring for new
>> > headlights.
>> >
>> > From what I understand this is caused by sunlight degrading the top
>> > layer of plastic, and it can (more or less) be polished off, but I don't
>> > want to make matters worse by using the wrong approach.
>> >
>> > Would regular UV treatment, e.g. 303 Marine treatment, be of any help to
>> > keep them clear?
>> >
>> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’ll put them on one of those coastal freighters that make the loop around the 
Caribbean and Gulf

--FT
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> On Sep 29, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> An adventure.  Will need lots of cash to pay off border guards to get out of 
> El Salvador, into and out of Guatemala, and in and out of Mexico.  There are 
> “pest control” stations where they spray the undersides with fluid.  Sort of 
> like California, but the uzi toting fellows want to collect the fee on the 
> spot.  
> 
> Maybe best to have a crew to allow 24/7 mobility.  Put large fuel tanks on 
> the trucks and top off as you go, stop for nothing, wee off the deck at 
> speed.   Six hour shifts, GPS, and have the trucks serviced prior to setting 
> the convoy along.
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Going into Mexico to collect them?  I'll take the tail gunners position.
>> Drugista's turf... enjoy the trip chances are, it will be one way...
>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could
>>> load up some other cars on the way back!
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633641190653801
>>> 
>>> 1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
>>> $39,900
>>> Vehicles 
>>> Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   About This Vehicle…
>>> 
>>> Driven 300 miles
>>> Manual transmission
>>> Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
>>> Fuel type: Diesel
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Seller's description…
>>> 
>>> Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen
>>> estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de
>>> Techos. Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están
>>> listos para comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra.
>>> Interesados llamar al número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o
>>> comunicarse conmigo por este medio o llamarme al [hidden information].
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Have you ever driven  a Pacer? 35.00 tops

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Look at the low miles!  That is a $35K car all day long on BAT, once it has
> been properly sorted...
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I have recovered a number of sets of headlights that were far gone from
Arizona sun.
Here is what I've done.
1. Gather a 4 inch soft foam buffing pad, mounted to a variable speed drill.
2. Cut several 1,000 grit wet or dry 3M sanding disks from an 8x10 sheet
3. While cutting disks, also cut 1,200 grit, 1,500 grit, and 2,000 grit
disks. [the finer the grit, the more you will need]
4. Spray bottle with clean water.
5 Tape off all surrounding areas of the headlights. Next step is to sand
the plastic, and if your disc runs over on to the chrome, or paint, or
whatever, you now have a new problem. Do not goe there.
6. Clean the headlight lense, free of dirt and any contaminant.
7. Set the variable speed drill on its lowest speed, run it for a bit to
"get the feel of it".
8. Spray the lense to be polished with water from the spray bottle, you
will want to keep it wet while sanding it. As sanding material appears,
spray liberally to flush the grindings off the surface... also, spray the
sanding disk,, for same reason..
9.. Keep the sanding disc in constant motion, with overlapping pattern.
ONLY USE LIGHT PRESSURE.
Let the disc "float" on the surface, do not press
10.After a bit of buffing/sanding, you will see the haze be removed, and
when you spray with water to flush away the sanding residue, the water will
make the lense look "clear"...

11. At that point, wipe the lense with clean soft paper towel, and dry it
for inspection. You should see a uniform pattern of sanding scratches
[1,000 grit scratches only].  You may find areas of haze remain and need
further sanding / buffing to scrub off the hazed plastic layer... if you
do... wet, sand, flush, repeat, until you only have a nice smooth plastic
finish..
Use plenty of water, slow speed on drill/polish disc, and flush often..

12. Once the haze is scrubbed off, and only sanding scratches remain. Clean
the lense again, and change up to the next finer grit... wet, sand,
repeat you will now be sanding the 1,000 grit scratches out .. again...
stay in constant motion, keep it wet.
13. Shift to next finer ttgrit.. wrinse, sand, repeat at 2,000 grit the
plastic will start to look pretty clear, but you are not done just yet.

14. Use only a soft foam 4 inch buffing pad, with plastic polish buffing
material... [3M , Turtle Wax, several others sell it at FLAPS... one is as
good as another, in my experience. I like Miguares.]
Put a few drops of buff/polish on the pad,, spread it around with your
finger, spray the plastic lense with a light spray of water, and using very
light pressure, buff the plastic, again,, constant motion across the lense
in a pattern that covers the whole surface...
Spray the lense with water to flush the buffing residue and wipe the
plastic with a soft cloth [paper towel is just harsh enough to make
scratches at this point]...
Inspect your work... you may to buff some more.. or you may be all done...
look for any sanding scratches that need buffed further...
If you find none... wipe the lense with a good wax... polish the wax just
like you would if it was the paint [by hand, soft cloth]
Bobs Yer Unkle...

Probably takes longer to read all this than to actually do a set.
Look at the lense every time you do an oil change and decide if they need a
"refre sh". If you catch them early, a brief buff with 2,000 grit followed
by more wax and buff, keeps them clear.

Hope this Helps,
Good luck.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’ve used this kit from 3M a number of times, and it works great and
> doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
>
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AIZ5HY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1
>
> There’s really no “treatment” that will fix the hazing that occurs. It’s
> because the plastic breaks down.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a good headlight polishing kit that actually works?
> >
> > All my cars with plastic headlight covers are hazy and yellowed. Would
> > like to address that if I can, but don't want to spring for new
> > headlights.
> >
> > From what I understand this is caused by sunlight degrading the top
> > layer of plastic, and it can (more or less) be polished off, but I don't
> > want to make matters worse by using the wrong approach.
> >
> > Would regular UV treatment, e.g. 303 Marine treatment, be of any help to
> > keep them clear?
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[Clay via Mercedes]

An adventure.  Will need lots of cash to pay off border guards to get out of El 
Salvador, into and out of Guatemala, and in and out of Mexico.  There are “pest 
control” stations where they spray the undersides with fluid.  Sort of like 
California, but the uzi toting fellows want to collect the fee on the spot.  

Maybe best to have a crew to allow 24/7 mobility.  Put large fuel tanks on the 
trucks and top off as you go, stop for nothing, wee off the deck at speed.   
Six hour shifts, GPS, and have the trucks serviced prior to setting the convoy 
along.

clay 

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about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

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01/09/2020

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Going into Mexico to collect them?  I'll take the tail gunners position.
> Drugista's turf... enjoy the trip chances are, it will be one way...
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could
>> load up some other cars on the way back!
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633641190653801
>> 
>> 1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
>> $39,900
>> Vehicles 
>> Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>About This Vehicle…
>> 
>> Driven 300 miles
>> Manual transmission
>> Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
>> Fuel type: Diesel
>> 
>> 
>>Seller's description…
>> 
>> Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen
>> estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de
>> Techos. Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están
>> listos para comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra.
>> Interesados llamar al número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o
>> comunicarse conmigo por este medio o llamarme al [hidden information].
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Rare!  Iconic!!

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:25 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2020-09-29 19:38, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > "Don't know true miles"
> >
> > And it's still an AMC Pacer, no matter how much sorting one does. I
> > guess there are enthusiasts for everything though.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Clay via Mercedes]

I concur.  The current civic unrest and raging unemployment should have very 
good deals on equipment showing on your local CL.  Probably get a much higher 
quality compressor at a lower cost that way.  HF power tools were just not that 
good for long term use without having to rebuild them to a standard of 
reliability.


clay 

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about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:52 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not any more. They may have become a victim of the current unpleasantness. 
> I'd probably get a new Quincy, IR, or Speedaire two stage 60 gallon vertical 
> tank one. Or a good used one, if I could find one.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: September 29, 2020 11:18 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: atypical...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors
> 
> You want a low rpm one.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
>> slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
>> bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects.
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[Clay via Mercedes]

When I get the new passport, I would gladly assist in driving one back.

El Salvador is vicious gang country, unlike being just crazy paramilitary nuts 
the last time I visited.  Probably safer than driving in MN, WA or OR.  Nobody 
puts up with Burn Loot Murder agenda  there.  Dark folk are rare and not loved 
or much tolerated in Central America. Well, except for Belize, but that is due 
to the UK.

Pricing is a bit too much for condition, location, and expected abuses over 
their lifetime


clay 

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about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

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01/09/2020

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could load up 
> some other cars on the way back!
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633641190653801
> 
> 1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
> $39,900
> Vehicles 
> Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC 
> 
> 
> 
>  About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 300 miles
> Manual transmission
> Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
> Fuel type: Diesel
> 
> 
>  Seller's description…
> 
> Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen 
> estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de Techos. 
> Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están listos para 
> comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra. Interesados llamar al 
> número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o comunicarse conmigo por este 
> medio o llamarme al [hidden information].
> 
> 
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self-recrimination and wetness.”

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Re: [MBZ] Headlight polishing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve used this kit from 3M a number of times, and it works great and doesn’t 
cost an arm and a leg.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AIZ5HY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

There’s really no “treatment” that will fix the hazing that occurs. It’s 
because the plastic breaks down.

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good headlight polishing kit that actually works?
> 
> All my cars with plastic headlight covers are hazy and yellowed. Would
> like to address that if I can, but don't want to spring for new
> headlights.
> 
> From what I understand this is caused by sunlight degrading the top
> layer of plastic, and it can (more or less) be polished off, but I don't
> want to make matters worse by using the wrong approach.
> 
> Would regular UV treatment, e.g. 303 Marine treatment, be of any help to
> keep them clear?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-09-29 19:38, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

"Don't know true miles"

And it's still an AMC Pacer, no matter how much sorting one does. I
guess there are enthusiasts for everything though.



Like a Nash Metropolitan, the oddity is the attraction.

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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

In Michigan, we just pay one fee, for registration and value tax 
combined.
I don't remember them all, but 2016 Cruze $126, 2007 Ion2 $67, 2003 
ML350 $176, 1997 S420 I don't recall exactly, I try very hard to forget, 
but it's over $300.


On 2020-09-29 20:13, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:



Yeah I actually don't know the details of how it works, but 
registration

on a a new car is expensive and it drops each year.

It seems not strictly based on age though, because registration for my
'83 300D costs more than all my other cars except the Volvo XC90, even
though it's 26 years older. I should ask them about that I guess. 
Here's

what I'm looking at for next month (excise tax portion in paren)

Year: 1979  Make: MEB  Model: 300SD  $73.35  ($12.00)

Year: 1983  Make: MEB  Model: 300DT  $103.35  ($42.00)



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[MBZ] Headlight polishing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Can anyone recommend a good headlight polishing kit that actually works?

All my cars with plastic headlight covers are hazy and yellowed. Would
like to address that if I can, but don't want to spring for new
headlights.

>From what I understand this is caused by sunlight degrading the top
layer of plastic, and it can (more or less) be polished off, but I don't
want to make matters worse by using the wrong approach.

Would regular UV treatment, e.g. 303 Marine treatment, be of any help to
keep them clear?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: broken piston

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-09-29 19:54, Craig via Mercedes wrote:


It looks like your engine is an interference engine.


With 10:1 compression in a 1399cc four cylinder, there's not much room 
in there for 4 valves, especially with the central combustion pocket for 
the direct injection.
I've seen four valve pistons with valve cutouts that go to the edges 
like that, but I've lever seen them with overhanging/undercut cliffs on 
like that before.


Amazingly enough, new pistons are only about $35 each, or a bit over 
$100 with rings and rods.
But it looks like I can get a engine made after the pistons were 
strengthened, with a 3 digit odometer reading, for less than pistons, 
rods, and a gasket set.


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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> So Indiana still does the excise tax thing based on value on a sliding
> scale - for what, 12 years, I believe? At that point the car’s value
> is to the point where it’s a fixed fee, right?

Yeah I actually don't know the details of how it works, but registration
on a a new car is expensive and it drops each year.

It seems not strictly based on age though, because registration for my
'83 300D costs more than all my other cars except the Volvo XC90, even
though it's 26 years older. I should ask them about that I guess. Here's
what I'm looking at for next month (excise tax portion in paren)

Year: 1979  Make: MEB  Model: 300SD  $73.35  ($12.00)

Year: 1983  Make: MEB  Model: 300DT  $103.35  ($42.00)

Year: 2003  Make: FOR  Model: FOCUS SE $73.35  ($12.00)

Year: 2004  Make: NIS  Model: FRONTIER XE V6 $91.35  ($21.00)

Year: 2006  Make: HON  Model: ELEMENT EX $82.35  ($21.00)

Year: 2009  Make: VLV  Model: XC90 3.2 $103.35  ($42.00)

The Frontier costs more than the Element because it's a truck, which has
other fees, even though the excise tax is the same.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT: broken piston

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:35:27 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> Now this is a bit strange.
> Where I thought big pieces of crown were missing on both sides, it's 
> supposed to look that way.

It looks like your engine is an interference engine.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Don't know true miles"

And it's still an AMC Pacer, no matter how much sorting one does. I
guess there are enthusiasts for everything though.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> Look at the low miles!  That is a $35K car all day long on BAT, once it has
> been properly sorted...
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/389326525421774/
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

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Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Did the W123 have mechanical oil gauge its entire life?

My '83 300D does, and IIRC the line is steel not plastic.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Allan,

So Indiana still does the excise tax thing based on value on a sliding scale - 
for what, 12 years, I believe? At that point the car’s value is to the point 
where it’s a fixed fee, right?

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across
>> the street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding
>> MA taxes by doing that...
> 
> People in IN used to do that with IL plates. Maybe still do. IL charged
> a flat fee for registration, whereas in IN there's an excise tax based
> on the value of the car. So registering a new or valuable car in IN can
> be hundreds of dollars, every year. In IL it was like $35 flat fee last
> I knew. No idea if they've changed that, but given the financial
> disaster that is the state of IL finances, I would not be surprised.
> 
> Reminds me I need to renew all my plates in October. Since all my cars
> are old and not worth much, it's not too bad.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:

> I have a 8 gal 2 hp horizontal tank unit I got from HF, maybe 10 years
> ago.  Works fine except the check valve for the unloader slow-leaks
> after the spring rusted out.  Fine for small projects but not high
> volume, like a big nail gun used all day.  My neighbor has a large
> vertical style compressor that he pumps up and then wheels to where he
> needs it.  Other than CFM capacity, I think portability is the main
> concern.

My Craftsman is a vertical tank, and the drain valve at the bottom has a
slow leak. I haven't bothered fixing it because it means water never
accumulates in the tank.

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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across
> the street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding
> MA taxes by doing that...

People in IN used to do that with IL plates. Maybe still do. IL charged
a flat fee for registration, whereas in IN there's an excise tax based
on the value of the car. So registering a new or valuable car in IN can
be hundreds of dollars, every year. In IL it was like $35 flat fee last
I knew. No idea if they've changed that, but given the financial
disaster that is the state of IL finances, I would not be surprised.

Reminds me I need to renew all my plates in October. Since all my cars
are old and not worth much, it's not too bad.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Just a quick transit on the way to El Salvador!

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 6:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Going into Mexico to collect them?  I'll take the tail gunners position.
> Drugista's turf... enjoy the trip chances are, it will be one way...
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could
>> load up some other cars on the way back!
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633641190653801
>> 
>> 1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
>> $39,900
>> Vehicles 
>> Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>About This Vehicle…
>> 
>> Driven 300 miles
>> Manual transmission
>> Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
>> Fuel type: Diesel
>> 
>> 
>>Seller's description…
>> 
>> Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen
>> estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de
>> Techos. Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están
>> listos para comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra.
>> Interesados llamar al número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o
>> comunicarse conmigo por este medio o llamarme al [hidden information].
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Going into Mexico to collect them?  I'll take the tail gunners position.
Drugista's turf... enjoy the trip chances are, it will be one way...

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could
> load up some other cars on the way back!
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633641190653801
>
> 1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
> $39,900
> Vehicles 
> Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC
> 
>
>
> About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 300 miles
> Manual transmission
> Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
> Fuel type: Diesel
>
>
> Seller's description…
>
> Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen
> estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de
> Techos. Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están
> listos para comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra.
> Interesados llamar al número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o
> comunicarse conmigo por este medio o llamarme al [hidden information].
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-09-29 17:36, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

MA penalizes you if the LAST owner didn't register the vehicle, even
if it was from a different state.


I can remember looking at dealer auctions, and whenever a CA titled car 
was listed, they'd disclose how much CA registration was due on the car 
to free up the title, usually $50-200, rarely zero.


My nephew in law got lucky with his cars. He gave his CRX to a friend 
when he moved back to CA the first time, and I didn't hear of her having 
trouble getting a MI title for it, but she might have. His Dakota went a 
few years in Michigan on an expired CA plate, then a couple years in CA, 
then a year in RI, then a few years in MO. He registered it in CA when 
he left MO, and CA no longer had a record of him owing registration 
taxes on it. My niece was all ready with her 'I told you so' speech, and 
it was sort of a let down for her when he got away with it. His driving 
around the country on expired CA plates used to irk her.


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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 MA penalizes you if the LAST owner didn't register the vehicle, even if it was 
from a different state. When I bought my '98 Jetta the DMV guy got all 
concerned when he realized I was going to have to pay a fine. It turned out to 
be $50 which I figured wasn't worth worrying about. If I end up in a case where 
its significant I'd go the VT route. I can be in VT in less than an hour.
Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across the 
street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding MA taxes by 
doing that...

-Curt

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 6:01:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Florida penalizes you 30 days after the purchase if you haven’t registered and 
titled the vehicle. I believe it’s a pretty common thing for most states.

That being said, I don’t think it’s a significant amount.

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the commies are taking over your state.  Time to move to FL.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the
>> penalties after 30 days regardless.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Congrats, nice victory!
>>> 
>>> Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you
>>> bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until
>> you
>>> got it repaired.  Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so
>>> you have some evidence?  In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it
>>> took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the
>> point
>>> it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I
>> let
>>> the county tax desk know that.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got
 insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the
 road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in
 that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just
 haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see
 anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they
 will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I
 guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM
 first.
 
 I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some
 issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it
 before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered
 here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were
 only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get
 one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and
 tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I
 think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the
 tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in
 the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at
 one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is
 either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um,
 challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if
 I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...
 
 --FT
 
> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.
> 
> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted
 out?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
 for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.
>> It
 had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of
 time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the
 Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code
 chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System,
>> a
 little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the
>> keys)
 appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker
>> for
 cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.
>> 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Florida penalizes you 30 days after the purchase if you haven’t registered and 
titled the vehicle. I believe it’s a pretty common thing for most states.

That being said, I don’t think it’s a significant amount.

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the commies are taking over your state.  Time to move to FL.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the
>> penalties after 30 days regardless.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Congrats, nice victory!
>>> 
>>> Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you
>>> bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until
>> you
>>> got it repaired.  Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so
>>> you have some evidence?  In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it
>>> took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the
>> point
>>> it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I
>> let
>>> the county tax desk know that.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got
 insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the
 road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in
 that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just
 haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see
 anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they
 will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I
 guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM
 first.
 
 I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some
 issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it
 before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered
 here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were
 only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get
 one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and
 tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I
 think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the
 tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in
 the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at
 one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is
 either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um,
 challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if
 I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...
 
 --FT
 
> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.
> 
> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted
 out?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
 for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.
>> It
 had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of
 time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the
 Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code
 chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System,
>> a
 little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the
>> keys)
 appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker
>> for
 cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.
>> 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like the commies are taking over your state.  Time to move to FL.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the
> penalties after 30 days regardless.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Congrats, nice victory!
> >
> > Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you
> > bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until
> you
> > got it repaired.  Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so
> > you have some evidence?  In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it
> > took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the
> point
> > it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I
> let
> > the county tax desk know that.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got
> >> insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the
> >> road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in
> >> that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just
> >> haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see
> >> anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they
> >> will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I
> >> guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM
> >> first.
> >>
> >> I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some
> >> issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it
> >> before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered
> >> here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were
> >> only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get
> >> one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and
> >> tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I
> >> think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the
> >> tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in
> >> the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at
> >> one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is
> >> either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um,
> >> challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if
> >> I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.
> >>>
> >>> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted
> >> out?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
> >> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.
> It
> >> had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of
> >> time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the
> >> Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code
> >> chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System,
> a
> >> little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the
> keys)
> >> appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker
> for
> >> cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.
> 
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the penalties 
after 30 days regardless. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Congrats, nice victory!
> 
> Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you
> bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until you
> got it repaired.  Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so
> you have some evidence?  In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it
> took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the point
> it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I let
> the county tax desk know that.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got
>> insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the
>> road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in
>> that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just
>> haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see
>> anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they
>> will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I
>> guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM
>> first.
>> 
>> I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some
>> issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it
>> before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered
>> here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were
>> only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get
>> one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and
>> tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I
>> think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the
>> tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in
>> the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at
>> one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is
>> either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um,
>> challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if
>> I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.
>>> 
>>> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted
>> out?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
>> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.  It
>> had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of
>> time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the
>> Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code
>> chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a
>> little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys)
>> appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for
>> cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.
 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Congrats, nice victory!

Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you
bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until you
got it repaired.  Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so
you have some evidence?  In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it
took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the point
it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I let
the county tax desk know that.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got
> insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the
> road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in
> that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just
> haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see
> anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they
> will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I
> guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM
> first.
>
> I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some
> issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it
> before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered
> here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were
> only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get
> one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and
> tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I
> think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the
> tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in
> the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at
> one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is
> either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um,
> challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if
> I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...
>
> --FT
>
> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.
> >
> > Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted
> out?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400
> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.  It
> had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of
> time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the
> Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code
> chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a
> little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys)
> appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for
> cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.
> >>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got 
insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the 
road.  VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in 
that range.  I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just 
haven't done it yet.  I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see 
anything.  Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they 
will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I 
guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM 
first.


I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some 
issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it 
before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered 
here.  I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were 
only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get 
one like 3 weeks out.  You first have to go to the County Assessor and 
tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I 
think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the 
tax before you can go to the DMV.  Fortunately the 2 county desks are in 
the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at 
one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is 
either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, 
challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location.  I guess if 
I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good...


--FT

On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.

Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out?

-D


On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the vehicle, 
$275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.  It had a "Start Error" 
which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of time digging into it with the majick 
computer, and managed to clear the Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently 
the keys and code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, 
a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) appeared to 
be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for cheap, they are like $175 
new, did not need to use it.




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Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes.

Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out?

-D

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the 
> vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.  It had a 
> "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot of time 
> digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start 
> Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and code chips as 
> those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a little loop 
> antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) appeared to be 
> happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for cheap, they are 
> like $175 new, did not need to use it.
> 
> Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that the 
> starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either bad or it 
> was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays (there are a bunch 
> that are the same), still no workies.  Turns out after doing some electrical 
> diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the relay contacts to get the engine to 
> turn over and start with the key in Run position 2 (all dash lights come on.  
> (YAY).  I put a momentary contact switch on the jumper wires so I could 
> lift the hood and turn over the engine to start.  (I tried to run it into the 
> cabin but couldn't find a convenient hole).
> 
> So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch, that 
> the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the start 
> position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive the 
> vehicle in position 2.There is a way to test the switch and wires right 
> there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it is tight in there 
> so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that wire is what goes to 
> the relay activator contacts (these are the contacts in back of the relay 
> slot that are along the axis of the car, the actual starter actuator contacts 
> are the front ones that are transverse) and I was getting no power to 
> activate the relay.
> 
> Common issue on these vehicles apparently,  can make you crazy, a new part is 
> like $25 so I ordered one the other day.
> 
> There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and the 
> various arms behind it.  There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom one, some 
> plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap connectors on the 
> right panel.  They mostly pop out with release of the tabs and a bit of 
> gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down.
> 
> The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing.  They 
> are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off.  Small hands would 
> help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking tabs with 
> little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used a screwdriver 
> to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to squeeze the back one 
> and the connector popped right off.  Note that there are some tabs on the top 
> of the copnnector that slide into the back of the lock and in the housing so 
> it will only orient one way, pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 
> oclock if you could look from the back.
> 
> The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are also 2 
> locking tabs that hold it in.  You can feel inside the round housing and get 
> the tabs released, although again you can use a screwdriver on the one if 
> front.  I could not get a good grip on it to pull it out so got a small pair 
> of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull it right out.
> 
> There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the ignition 
> switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the new one how it 
> will fit over the key switch tab.  The old one was clearly chewed up a bit 
> and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even if the slot was OK (which it 
> wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch wore out or bound up and would 
> not turn to position 3 to start the engine.
> 
> The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the 
> housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a move 
> it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was easy enough.
> 
> Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay back 
> in, and JOY  Engine started right up.  YAY ME  I did notice too that 
> the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely buggered from that 
> indication as well.
> 
> This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min.
> 
> I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved.
> 
> 

[MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 
for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed.  
It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start.  I spent a lot 
of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear 
the Start Error message on the dash.  Was not apparently the keys and 
code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization 
System, a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip 
in the keys) appeared to be happy.  I had pulled a DAS loop and module 
from a junker for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it.


Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that 
the starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either 
bad or it was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays 
(there are a bunch that are the same), still no workies.  Turns out 
after doing some electrical diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the 
relay contacts to get the engine to turn over and start with the key in 
Run position 2 (all dash lights come on.  (YAY).  I put a momentary 
contact switch on the jumper wires so I could lift the hood and turn 
over the engine to start.  (I tried to run it into the cabin but 
couldn't find a convenient hole).


So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch, 
that the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the 
start position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive 
the vehicle in position 2.    There is a way to test the switch and 
wires right there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it 
is tight in there so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that 
wire is what goes to the relay activator contacts (these are the 
contacts in back of the relay slot that are along the axis of the car, 
the actual starter actuator contacts are the front ones that are 
transverse) and I was getting no power to activate the relay.


Common issue on these vehicles apparently,  can make you crazy, a new 
part is like $25 so I ordered one the other day.


There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and 
the various arms behind it.  There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom 
one, some plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap 
connectors on the right panel.  They mostly pop out with release of the 
tabs and a bit of gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down.


The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing.  
They are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off.  Small hands 
would help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking 
tabs with little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used 
a screwdriver to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to 
squeeze the back one and the connector popped right off.  Note that 
there are some tabs on the top of the copnnector that slide into the 
back of the lock and in the housing so it will only orient one way, 
pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 oclock if you could look from 
the back.


The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are 
also 2 locking tabs that hold it in.  You can feel inside the round 
housing and get the tabs released, although again you can use a 
screwdriver on the one if front.  I could not get a good grip on it to 
pull it out so got a small pair of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull 
it right out.


There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the 
ignition switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the 
new one how it will fit over the key switch tab.  The old one was 
clearly chewed up a bit and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even 
if the slot was OK (which it wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch 
wore out or bound up and would not turn to position 3 to start the engine.


The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the 
housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a 
move it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was 
easy enough.


Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay 
back in, and JOY  Engine started right up.  YAY ME  I did notice 
too that the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely 
buggered from that indication as well.


This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min.

I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/w163-ml500-ignition-switch-no-start-fixed.3060413/

--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'd love one but you'll pay 4-5x what the equivalent HF unit costs. I haven't 
seen any shortage of compressors there but if I'm honest I haven't been in for 
a couple months...
-Curt

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 12:53:45 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Not any more. They may have become a victim of the current unpleasantness. I'd 
probably get a new Quincy, IR, or Speedaire two stage 60 gallon vertical tank 
one. Or a good used one, if I could find one.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

You want a low rpm one.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
> slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
> bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Reasonably good. I've got a 21gal unit and I'll never go back to a small one. 
Get a shutoff so the air doesn't leak out, and a 50' retractable line too for 
max utility.
Curt

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  On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedes wrote:   Does Harbor Freight sell and decent 
air compressors? I think I might be slowly getting some pneumatic tools. 
Initially, it will just be airing up bike tires and blowing sawdust off of 
projects. 

Bob R 

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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

For long distance portability, an air pig is my answer.
I have a 6 gallon, and I suppose I just inherited my dad's 10 gallon.
For short distances, a couple of 50' hoses come in handy.
Mitch.

On 2020-09-29 12:35, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Other than CFM
capacity, I think portability is the main concern.



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Re: [MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm in!
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Sep 29, 2020 11:05:52 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could load up 
> some other cars on the way back!
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633641190653801
> 
> 1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
> $39,900
> Vehicles 
> Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC 
> 
> 
> About This Vehicle…
> 
> Driven 300 miles
> Manual transmission
> Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
> Fuel type: Diesel
> 
> Seller's description…
> 
> Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen 
> estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de Techos. 
> Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están listos para 
> comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra. Interesados llamar al 
> número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o comunicarse conmigo por este 
> medio o llamarme al [hidden information].
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No, I don't. But plenty of used instrument cluster gauges.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:10 PM Karl Wittnebel 
wrote:

> You have a new oil pressure gauge sitting around?
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:52 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
>> Too bad.  I could have sold you spare for 1 cent less than you paid.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:46 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My 85 300td has an oil line. Just replaced it finally last year when it
>>> started to leak into the cluster warning lights.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:07 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2020-09-29 12:57, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> > > I am sure there is a hole somewhere that could be used. I imagine the
>>> > > pressures are not too dissimilar.
>>> >
>>> > IIRC, the relief valve on a 617.95 is around 6-7 bar, which is why the
>>> 3
>>> > bar gauge is pegged most of the time.
>>> > So the gauge can stand a fair bit of pressure.
>>> >
>>> > Any pressure that's of interest will be below 3 bar, so the gauge
>>> should
>>> > be good to go. (3 bar = no risk of oil starvation on just about any
>>> > engine)
>>> >
>>> > And I believe there are similar electronic gauges from slightly newer
>>> > (W126?) models that could be swapped in if you don't like having a tiny
>>> > plastic hose full of black oil under pressure in your cabin. Did the
>>> > W123 have mechanical oil gauge its entire life? I know W116 did, but
>>> its
>>> > production run ended earlier than W123.
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You have a new oil pressure gauge sitting around?

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:52 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
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> Too bad.  I could have sold you spare for 1 cent less than you paid.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:46 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> My 85 300td has an oil line. Just replaced it finally last year when it
>> started to leak into the cluster warning lights.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:07 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2020-09-29 12:57, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > I am sure there is a hole somewhere that could be used. I imagine the
>> > > pressures are not too dissimilar.
>> >
>> > IIRC, the relief valve on a 617.95 is around 6-7 bar, which is why the 3
>> > bar gauge is pegged most of the time.
>> > So the gauge can stand a fair bit of pressure.
>> >
>> > Any pressure that's of interest will be below 3 bar, so the gauge should
>> > be good to go. (3 bar = no risk of oil starvation on just about any
>> > engine)
>> >
>> > And I believe there are similar electronic gauges from slightly newer
>> > (W126?) models that could be swapped in if you don't like having a tiny
>> > plastic hose full of black oil under pressure in your cabin. Did the
>> > W123 have mechanical oil gauge its entire life? I know W116 did, but its
>> > production run ended earlier than W123.
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Too bad.  I could have sold you spare for 1 cent less than you paid.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:46 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My 85 300td has an oil line. Just replaced it finally last year when it
> started to leak into the cluster warning lights.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:07 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2020-09-29 12:57, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > I am sure there is a hole somewhere that could be used. I imagine the
> > > pressures are not too dissimilar.
> >
> > IIRC, the relief valve on a 617.95 is around 6-7 bar, which is why the 3
> > bar gauge is pegged most of the time.
> > So the gauge can stand a fair bit of pressure.
> >
> > Any pressure that's of interest will be below 3 bar, so the gauge should
> > be good to go. (3 bar = no risk of oil starvation on just about any
> > engine)
> >
> > And I believe there are similar electronic gauges from slightly newer
> > (W126?) models that could be swapped in if you don't like having a tiny
> > plastic hose full of black oil under pressure in your cabin. Did the
> > W123 have mechanical oil gauge its entire life? I know W116 did, but its
> > production run ended earlier than W123.
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

My 85 300td has an oil line. Just replaced it finally last year when it
started to leak into the cluster warning lights.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 10:07 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 2020-09-29 12:57, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I am sure there is a hole somewhere that could be used. I imagine the
> > pressures are not too dissimilar.
>
> IIRC, the relief valve on a 617.95 is around 6-7 bar, which is why the 3
> bar gauge is pegged most of the time.
> So the gauge can stand a fair bit of pressure.
>
> Any pressure that's of interest will be below 3 bar, so the gauge should
> be good to go. (3 bar = no risk of oil starvation on just about any
> engine)
>
> And I believe there are similar electronic gauges from slightly newer
> (W126?) models that could be swapped in if you don't like having a tiny
> plastic hose full of black oil under pressure in your cabin. Did the
> W123 have mechanical oil gauge its entire life? I know W116 did, but its
> production run ended earlier than W123.
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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I have a 8 gal 2 hp horizontal tank unit I got from HF, maybe 10 years ago.
Works fine except the check valve for the unloader slow-leaks after the
spring rusted out.  Fine for small projects but not high volume, like a big
nail gun used all day.  My neighbor has a large vertical style compressor
that he pumps up and then wheels to where he needs it.  Other than CFM
capacity, I think portability is the main concern.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:05 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Bob Rentfro 
Subject: [MBZ] Air Compressors

Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects. 

Bob R 

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[MBZ] OT For Karl

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/sars-cov-2-orofecal-transmission/

Rick
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[MBZ] Pricey low miles 300D with one family ownership

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I like the exterior and interior colors, but not as an ensemble.  This one
will likely cross the $20k threshold.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300d-10/?utm_source=dm_medium=email_campaign=2020-09-29
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Re: [MBZ] I’m pregnant and want something bigger

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> > I’m asking the pay off on the vehicle

Yeah, that's not really how it works.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

At least try to determine how noisy they are. I have a Craftsman that I
got about 15 years ago. It's the type where the motor and compressor are
all one unit (as opposed to a separate motor with a belt drive
compressor). It's been completely trouble-free but man is it noisy. I
still almost jump out of my skin when it kicks on.

Also be sure it has the capacity for the tools you plan to get. Pressure
is one thing but what matters for many tools is the volume of air it can
deliver at that pressure.

Allan


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> You want a low rpm one.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
>> slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
>> bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects.
>>
>> Bob R
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Very nice looking 92 300D

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Interesting that the asking price increases for each year older than 2000.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:11 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/376782733711199
>
> 1992 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D
> $3,500
> Vehicles 
> Listed 18 hours ago in Roebuck, SC
> 
>
>
> About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 275,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: White · Interior color: Grey
> Fuel type: Diesel
> 23.0 MPG city · 29.0 MPG highway · 25.0 MPG combined
>
>
> Seller's description…
>
> Very nice, clean, and comfortable car. Mechanically sound and
> trustworthy. One of the nicest to be found in this area. Serious
> inquires only.
>
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

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On 2020-09-29 12:57, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

I am sure there is a hole somewhere that could be used. I imagine the
pressures are not too dissimilar.


IIRC, the relief valve on a 617.95 is around 6-7 bar, which is why the 3 
bar gauge is pegged most of the time.

So the gauge can stand a fair bit of pressure.

Any pressure that's of interest will be below 3 bar, so the gauge should 
be good to go. (3 bar = no risk of oil starvation on just about any 
engine)


And I believe there are similar electronic gauges from slightly newer 
(W126?) models that could be swapped in if you don't like having a tiny 
plastic hose full of black oil under pressure in your cabin. Did the 
W123 have mechanical oil gauge its entire life? I know W116 did, but its 
production run ended earlier than W123.


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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Craigslist is your friend here. Just borescope the tank to avoid sudden
death

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:53 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not any more. They may have become a victim of the current unpleasantness.
> I'd probably get a new Quincy, IR, or Speedaire two stage 60 gallon
> vertical tank one. Or a good used one, if I could find one.
>
>
> Rick
>
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> Sent: September 29, 2020 11:18 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: atypical...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors
>
> You want a low rpm one.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
> > slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
> > bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects.
> >
> > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

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I am sure there is a hole somewhere that could be used. I imagine the
pressures are not too dissimilar.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:56 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm speaking from near total 648 ignorance when I ask:
> Is there an external low pressure switch or oil pressure sending unit,
> which leaves behind a hole full of oil pressure when you remove it?
> Mitch
>
> On 2020-09-29 11:59, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>
> > Or take for instance the idea that an om648 has no oil pressure
> > takeoff. So
> > that gauge no longer works in the 123 cluster unless you add an oil
> > source.
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Re: [MBZ] It has some exterior damage but only on the body

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Map sensor?

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:58 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Uh, yeah, that is usually where it is...
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2582296538746988
>
> 2002 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D
> $1,000
> Vehicles 
> Listed 20 hours ago in Morristown, TN
> 
>
>
> About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 202,000 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: White
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 18.0 MPG city · 26.0 MPG highway · 21.0 MPG combined
>
>
> Typical Features…
>
>   *
> Leather Seats
>   *
> Moon Roof
>   *
> Alloy Wheels
>   *
> ABS
>   *
>
>
> Seller's description…
>
> Drives well and shifts smooth. It has some exterior damage but only on
> the body. Leather interior. It wouldn't hurt to replace the map sensor.
> Come check it out and drive it home today.
>
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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm speaking from near total 648 ignorance when I ask:
Is there an external low pressure switch or oil pressure sending unit, 
which leaves behind a hole full of oil pressure when you remove it?

Mitch

On 2020-09-29 11:59, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Or take for instance the idea that an om648 has no oil pressure 
takeoff. So
that gauge no longer works in the 123 cluster unless you add an oil 
source.



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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Not any more. They may have become a victim of the current unpleasantness. I'd 
probably get a new Quincy, IR, or Speedaire two stage 60 gallon vertical tank 
one. Or a good used one, if I could find one.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

You want a low rpm one.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
> slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
> bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects.
>
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Re: [MBZ] we should take up a collection and buy this one

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Very droll!

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> Just because the guy is honest
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/656948395243856/
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody here needs this

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Look at the low miles!  That is a $35K car all day long on BAT, once it has
been properly sorted...

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Re: [MBZ] Air Compressors

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You want a low rpm one.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 9:06 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be
> slowly getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up
> bike tires and blowing sawdust off of projects.
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[MBZ] Air Compressors

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Does Harbor Freight sell and decent air compressors? I think I might be slowly 
getting some pneumatic tools. Initially, it will just be airing up bike tires 
and blowing sawdust off of projects. 

Bob R 

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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Well, transferring is not hard. But still going to cost some money.

Finding a nice wagon without an engine is hard. No one fixes the body and
interior and suspension, then gives up on the engine. The nice cars are
typically pretty nice.

I could stick the powertrain into my 85 wagon. But that car is really well
sorted. Everything works, A/C for instance, which would be hard to do on
the 648.

Or take for instance the idea that an om648 has no oil pressure takeoff. So
that gauge no longer works in the 123 cluster unless you add an oil source.
Similarly, it lacks an intercooler right now, lacks a good engine fan. The
speedometer has a little spinner thing that reads the CAN and converts it
to cable rpm for the old gauge. Lots of sorting out to do to make it all
play nicely.

By transplanting, you take a nicely engineered fully functional older car
and pretty much destroy a lot of what makes it nice. Might as well start
with something that is already messed up.

On the plus side, the smashed chassis is a euro model with no sunroof.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 7:36 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2020-09-29 10:13, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>
> >
> > Finally got the om648 wagon running after its encounter with a car
> > transporter.
>
> How hard is fixing the body and interior, compared to finding one with
> good paint and interior in SoCal and transferring all the OM648 stuff
> over?
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[MBZ] 2002 Mercedes-Benz 24 passenger stretch,$10,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

GL?  OK I guess I could sell the house and live in it but it might need 
a bigger TV and a phone upgrade


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/353513169104087

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[MBZ] I’m pregnant and want something bigger

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't weigh much yet so the hood is fine

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2380097102299540

2012 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 300 4MATIC Luxury Sedan 4D
$13,000
Vehicles 
Listed 5 days ago in Cedartown, GA 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 111,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: White · Interior color: Tan
Safety rating
Fuel type: Gasoline
17.0 MPG city · 24.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined


   Typical Features…

 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Bluetooth
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *
   ABS
 *


   Seller's description…

Selling my 2012 C300 4 Matic Mercedes Benz . i’ve only had it for about 
4 months . I’m pregnant and want something bigger and more family like . 
I’m asking the pay off on the vehicle . pm me if interested .


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[MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz coop,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My ex left it in the garage now I want $2k to pay my lawyer

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/751918508699094

1983 Mercedes-Benz coop
$2,000
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Mt Pleasant, SC 




   About This Vehicle…

Exterior color: Red


   Seller's description…

1983 Mercedes factory hardtop with custom stand and alarm hook up. it 
is in excellent condition,no scratches. comes with custom cover and 
has been garage kept. This top is factory not an aftermarket item.



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[MBZ] Very nice looking 92 300D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/376782733711199

1992 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D
$3,500
Vehicles 
Listed 18 hours ago in Roebuck, SC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 275,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: White · Interior color: Grey
Fuel type: Diesel
23.0 MPG city · 29.0 MPG highway · 25.0 MPG combined


   Seller's description…

Very nice, clean, and comfortable car. Mechanically sound and 
trustworthy. One of the nicest to be found in this area. Serious 
inquires only.



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[MBZ] not unreasonable 210 wagon

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

the thumbnails look OK

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1275846112765859

2001 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D
$2,499
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Jacksonville, FL 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 169,325 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Black
Fuel type: Gasoline
17.0 MPG city · 25.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined


   Seller's description…

2000 Mercedes-Benz E320 wagon shows 166k miles and spent its life in 
Florida and Comutting to New York with a single owner prior to its 
recent acquisition by the selling to Myself. The car is finished in 
black over black and powered by a 3.2-liter V6 paired with a 5-speed 
automatic transmission and rear wheel drive system. Service was perform 
religiously oil and fluid changes and install a new air conditioning 
compressor, receiver drier, and high-pressure hose just prior to 
Sale.Price is firm


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[MBZ] Road trip??? Se venden en Metapan El Salvado

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I need 2 other guys to help  Habla Espanol would help!  We could 
load up some other cars on the way back!


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1989 Mercedes-Benz mercedes
$39,900
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Greenville, SC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 300 miles
Manual transmission
Exterior color: Orange · Interior color: Brown
Fuel type: Diesel


   Seller's description…

Se venden en Metapan El Salvador se venden 3 camiones en Metapán en buen 
estado listos para trabajar. Incluye plaza de trabajo en General de 
Techos. Los tres camiones con la línea de trabajo es de $39,900. Están 
listos para comenzar a trabajar desde que usted haga la compra. 
Interesados llamar al número: 7535-1402 con don Francis Pacheco o 
comunicarse conmigo por este medio o llamarme al [hidden information].



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[MBZ] AMG wheels on a cheap beater E320

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

probably worth more than the car

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3489465031147974

2001 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D
$1,000
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Atlanta, GA 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 378,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Blue
Fuel type: Gasoline
18.0 MPG city · 26.0 MPG highway · 21.0 MPG combined


   Typical Features…

 *
   Leather Seats
 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *
   ABS
 *


   Seller's description…

Needs bumper, headlight,finder, mirror inside, rear tires runs good, 
rebuilt engine,


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[MBZ] It has some exterior damage but only on the body

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Uh, yeah, that is usually where it is...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2582296538746988

2002 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D
$1,000
Vehicles 
Listed 20 hours ago in Morristown, TN 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 202,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: White
Fuel type: Gasoline
18.0 MPG city · 26.0 MPG highway · 21.0 MPG combined


   Typical Features…

 *
   Leather Seats
 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Alloy Wheels
 *
   ABS
 *


   Seller's description…

Drives well and shifts smooth. It has some exterior damage but only on 
the body. Leather interior. It wouldn't hurt to replace the map sensor. 
Come check it out and drive it home today.



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[MBZ] Needs ignition and key

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And steering wheel and airbag and glass and...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633239357378433


2000 Mercedes-Benz M-Class
$1,000
Vehicles 
Listed 16 hours ago in Lumberton, NC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 12,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Black


   Seller's description…

Needs ignition and key I have title

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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-09-29 10:13, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:



Finally got the om648 wagon running after its encounter with a car
transporter.


How hard is fixing the body and interior, compared to finding one with 
good paint and interior in SoCal and transferring all the OM648 stuff 
over?


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[MBZ] we should take up a collection and buy this one

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Just because the guy is honest

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/656948395243856/

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Re: [MBZ] California is banning sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I think IC engine cars are on the way out no matter what anyone says. The
new batteries remove most of the reasons to own a gas car. They should be
here in a year or two. That will drop the price of the cars to lower than
their IC equivalents.

Finally got the om648 wagon running after its encounter with a car
transporter. A fuse had blown in the k40 relay for some reason, so the
ignition was not powering up the ecu. Anyway it is very refreshing to have
modern power and a computer-controlled 722.6 transmission in that chassis.
Makes it go a lot better than before. I need a taller differential though;
not pulling any trailers and first gear is quite low. Kind of fun how it
downshifts ahead of traffic lights kind of like a large truck. It has an
aftermarket controller for the transmission.

I still dont know whether to fix the damage of not. Waiting for some
numbers from the body man. Whole car kind of needs some paint. Then the
interior needs help. Maybe sell the other wagon and make one car out of two.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:42 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I see, it's not California that did this, it's Lord Governor Nuisance
> who did it, all by his lonesome.
> I just assumed, naturally, it was the legislature doing it, as that's
> how laws are enacted in my country.
>
> Either CA's Constitution includes some very incredible executive powers
> that pretty much render the legislature irrelevant, or that's not
> Kosher.
>
>  In a letter, the U.S. EPA administrator tells Newsom that his
> executive order mandating only new electric car sales in California by
> 2035 may be illegal and questions the feasibility of the increase demand
> in electricity "when you can't even keep the lights on today."
> pic.twitter.com/f3piV4UtZe
>  Alexei Koseff Alexei Koseff  (@akoseff) September 28, 2020
> https://twitter.com/akoseff/status/1310695493031272448
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[MBZ] Somebody here needs this

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/389326525421774/


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Re: [MBZ] Pretty clean looking E350 wagon

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

You need the VIN. 
http://www.mercedesmedic.com/check-my-mercedes-benz-for-balance-shaft-issue-by-vin-m272273/


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: September 28, 2020 11:19 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
Subject: [MBZ] Pretty clean looking E350 wagon

I like the color. Something other than the usual silver, white, or
black. Looks like the right-hand headlight/foglight was replaced.

W211 but not the first gen. Are these to be avoided?

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/indianapolis-2007-mercedes-benz-e350/7204527341.html

Allan

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