Re: [MBZ] 1981 300CD keeps going and going and going and...
I have a 1980 300CD which initially had serious problems with excessive blow-by and associated oil consumption. The prescription: Diesel purge, regular Italian tune-ups and drive it like yer pants are on fire and yer ass is catchin'. The blow-by is quite likely due to rings which are crapped up with carbon and no longer doing their job well. The regimen described above will help clean out your engine. After 10,000 miles of this regimen, our Benz no longer burns appreciable oil. Lee Jim Cathey wrote: from the valve cover into the air cleaner. It could use some type of oil separator so that oil feedback doesn't gunk up the intake which I'm sure it's doing quite well. IF I remove the oil cap for even a second or so It's already got one, doesn't it? Whether it's working correctly or not... while it's running, oil dribbles all over the valve cover with considerable blowby. Now that you mention this, most of the burned oil could be due to oil feedback since there's that much of it going on. Maybe this one is a candidate for a homemade oil separator to catch the vast quantities of oil vented from the crankcase breather. It might be worth a bit of experimentation before writing off a potentially nice coupe. The thing about oil feedback (tm!) is that if it gets bad enough to crap up the rings that just makes more blowby, exacerbating and perpetuating the problem. Your car might be a candidate for a sealing job to the baffle inside the valve cover, and it might need some attention to the separator and breather tube. The Chicken Wagon cleared up nearly completely in just a few hundred miles after its real problem, a clot of glue inside the breather tube, was corrected. Or you could try the 2l bottle idea just to get the oil going somewhere else for long enough to see if the situation starts improving with some Italian tuning action. Or I'll give you $500 for it and then _I_ will try these things! (Then I sell it for the big bucks!) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the pipeline
Luther Gulseth wrote: Ya'll are screwed. Those on homebrew alternative fuels are nearly immune to that! No, really, we're all screwed. Those of us who use biodiesel are just somewhat less screwed. How does your food get to your local supermarket? What fuels the farm machinery that tills the fields and harvests the crops? What is used to make the fertilizers and pesticides which grow it? With the produce sold in the average supermarket, ten calories of petroleum are consumed to produce and deliver one calorie of food. This is only the issue of food. What other goods and services do we pay for that are fueled by petroleum? How much of the cost of everything you buy is driven by petroleum? Lee
Re: [MBZ] converting a text file into a pdf
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Anybody know of any free program that will convert a plain text file into a pdf file, which can then be read by OCR software? Thanks OpenOffice should open an plain text file with no problem and export it into a .pdf file. Lee
Re: [MBZ] converting a text file into a pdf
LarryT wrote: So far, I have used the word processor - called AbiWord 2.4 - and it works much like Word. It does everything I needed except for printing addresses on envelopes - but that's a small matter. They also have a database, a program similar to Powerpoint, Excel, etc. ???! The word processing component of OpenOffice is called Writer. AbiWord is another word processing application for Linux, and I am not sure it will do what you want it to. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Small Diesel PU
Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: I filled a 1973 F100 with oats and drove it to the elevator. My usual weigh slip was something like 4400lb (weight of oats, not the truck). Truck was stock except for air shocks in the back. It was riding low, but seemed to take it in stride. I don't think I'd want to do that in a Tacoma of similar or greater payload capacity. Once I borrowed a neighbor's 197x 1/2 ton Chevy 4x4, it hardly noticed the weight. I drove a Toyota FJ45 back in the day. For ruggedness, durability and overall clunkiness it had more in common with a soviet-made tractor than anything else...wish I had another one. Wish I had A DIESEL FJ45. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Small Diesel PU
True, the Element is one of those that, from the back, looks like it has a load in its pants. But sometimes ugly can be good. I still like the look of the old Toyota FJ40s and the FJ55 (so ugly it was dubbed the Iron Pig.) Lee Potter, Tom E wrote: I agree that GM needs a new design department, but some of the Japanese stuff is UGL. Think Scion, Element, etc. Jesus, a 3-year old could do better. GM was doomed the day the accountants took over, as was D-C (M-B content). Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Small Diesel PU ...damn that GM stuff looks like a 10 yer old drew the conceptUGH Jeff Zedic Both feet on the ground in Toronto 87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] the pipeline
Craig McCluskey wrote: Assuming gasoline (diesel has a higher heat content), the energy of 1 gallon is 100,000 BTU. This equates to just over 25,000 kilocalories (the calorie used in food). So, 10 calories of petroleum is 10/25000 (0.0004) gallon of gasoline. Pretty good ratio, it seems to me. Well, we don't eat just one calorie, do we? Put it another way. The amount of fuel consumed in order to produce the food consumed by the average American is estimated at 400 gallons per year. http://poweringdown.blogspot.com/2006/03/post-peak-eats.html Lee
Re: [MBZ] converting a text file into a pdf
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, thats what I want, but the osr script as they call it that is supposed to go thru and pull out the ads and batch them for some reason wont work like its supposed to. It works perfectly scanning newspapers, reading them, then saving them as text in an html file. I just dont get it. As mentioned earlier in the thread, it is entirely likely that what is being missed by the osr script is not text at all and that is why it cannot be read. It may be that the offending ads were saved as JPGs or similar graphics files before posting on the internet. If that is so, any text contained therein is no longer text, just part of a graphic, and your script won't pick it up. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Short??
If the SD is similar to the D, removing the turn signal assembly is not difficult, and it is there that your problems may lie with the blinker. The wires inside bend every time you move the turn signal arm, and are prone to metal fatigue and general misadventure. I had all kinds of craziness with mine on my 1980CD, finally remedied by some splicing, taping and judicious use of a soldering iron on the turn signal switching assembly itself. As for the oil pressure sensor, I would try disconnecting the wire from the sensor and then turning the key to narrow down whether it is a bad sensor or the wire grounding out somewhere en route to the guage. Lee BillR wrote: My 1981 300SD has developed numerous random electrical features that seem to point toward a short somewhere, and I am in hopes of a head start on where to look first. For the past year I have had problems with the left blinker flashing continuously when the stem is centered - though it seems to just barely make the threshold to flash, and both blinkers respond properly when turned on.. 50 or so repitions of the emergency flasher switch do nothing much for the rest of that day, but the next day it stops and is no problem for a few weeks or even a month or two. A couple of days ago the oil pressure gauge suddenly went from correct operation [as far as I can tell] to pegging the 3 when the key is switched on. For the last few months [about the time my AC started acting up, I think] AC blower seems to run with the engine speed, as does the brightness of the headlights, though when I forget the lights are on for an hour [warning buzzer works when it wants to] I have no problem starting the car, with no hesitation or slowness of the starting motor. On occasion I have noted the tach jumping with the blinker, and I think once it did it with the brake light. I am hoping this mixture of random features will click with someone and a suggestion for a starting spot will come up. All the fuses were replaced 1.5 years ago, though with the plastic ones that tend to melt the blower fuse - that one replaced with a more robust German make fuse. Replacing the flasher did nothing at all. Ideas? Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 279k miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How much Antifreeze do I need
Hi, all- It's time for me to put a block heater in da Benz (1980 300CD.) How much fluid do I need to fill the radiator back up once I drain it? Lee
[MBZ] Oil Filter Change
The Benz (1980 300CD)is due for an oil change. Happy to see the filter is accessible from the top of the engine (never done my own change on this beast before.) Plan to use Wilton's $2 supersucker to drain the oil. The Official CD is not terribly helpful. It indicates that I am to tighten the two fastening nuts on the filter to 20-25 NM. What is that in foot-pounds? Also, the diagram shows a shaft or tube running up through the middle with cryptic warnings that if I put it back together wrong my doom is immanent. Do I need to fiddle with the shaft thing and the spring on it in order to change the filter? Lee
Re: [MBZ] OT: Linux recommendations
Ed Booher wrote: Ubuntu Debian based, easy to install. They will even send you a full install CD for no charge to you if you don't want to take an hour to download it, etc. Probably be just the thing for a young person who knows about computers and wants to learn Linux. I just upgraded to Mepis 6.0 which is based on the Ubuntu kernel, and I have had my disappointments. Installation of the official Nvidia driver, point-and-click easy with previous Mepis versions, now requires doing the apt-get for the driver and then the manual editing of the XORG file. There is no support for MP3s, necessitating the installation of various libraries before one can even play tunes [I expect having to download codecs for MPGS, Quicktime, etc, but this is becoming ridiculous.) Getting the scanner to work for non-root users requires creating a bash script, copying it to the init.d folder and linking to the startup scripts. GIMP is not installed by default. Mepis' claim to fame was that it just works but they are straying from that; does Ubuntu have the same issues? Lee
[MBZ] The Supersucker
I made a supersucker using my 6 horsepower shop vac. It supersucked. Not in a nice way. The plastic buckets tended to buckle and collapse, which also caused the lid to bend, warp and split. The contorted bucket tended to splash the waste oil back up towards the vacuum nozzle, resulting in a bunch of the oil being sucked into the shop vac. I went through three buckets in the process of changing my oil, as well as making a complete mess. So, any advice on how to keep the buckets from collapsing? I am thinking about putting one bucket inside the other for added structural strength. A source for more durable buckets would also be welcomed. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Feeling blue over trying to be green
Mitch Haley wrote: When was the last time you heard of somebody clear-cutting land so they could grow soybeans and corn? Do these people have any idea how much cropland the government is currently paying farmers to not grow crops on? Or is that what they mean by grasslands? Grasslands? I got yer grasslands, right here! There are few things more foolish or wasteful than the grass lawn. Because a grass lawn is a monoculture with the majority of ecological niches vacant, it requires a great deal of human effort (and petrochemicals) to maintain. And for what? Every week, the suburbanoids come forth with their riding mowers to harvest their grass lawn crop, mowing it down. But they have no use for what they harvest, it goes into (petrochemical based) garbage bags and is sent off to the landfill. An outside observer would have to conclude that we are all daft. If a whole suburban neighborhood rose up against the tyranny of the lawn, and planted their yards and medians with a diverse and full ecosystem with fruit trees and bushes, perennial veggies, grapevines, and edible groundcovers, how much of their food needs would they meet? They would probably be only a few chickens and goats away from complete food security. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] computer OS other than MS
Try ActiveClient for Linux - http://www.actividentity.com/products/activclient_linux__home.php Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN Charleston SC J63 wrote: Linux gurus and others, Here is the show-stopper that I see for MY situation. Review: plan is to purchase cheap laptop for use while I travel. Mostly personal stuff (set up Skype or some other webcam/audio method of communicating with home front while I'm gone, peruse MB stuff, read up on survival skills, etc.) but, and here's the big but, I'd also like to be able to access some military sites so that I can do official work if needed. So, we are now delving into the security realm. Worse yet, DOD security realm. I am just savy enough to know where the boundaries are that when crossed, the Internet Police come to my cube and ask what I'm doing and who am I and please show some ID and follow us (that has only happened once so far. Embarrasing!). So, can I make Linux work with Active Card Gold or Active Client? Please contact me offline if anyone has been down this path. Secure communication paths are available to me. I've tried to make Mozilla Firefox work for these military sites on my XP machine, can't do it and haven't found anyone that knows (but I haven't really tried very hard). OK, maybe this isn't a show-stopper, but would be nice to figure it out and be able to do more things with future laptop... Thanks, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, replace computer
Curt Raymond wrote: There are also STACKs of stripped down Linux distros catering to the older hardware crowd... It truely is a great time to have an old computer. True! Antix Linux may have a few warts, but I can get it to run on damn near anything. Antix 6.5 even runs on old AMD K6s. I have a project that I have (with friends) been doing for about a year now, where we accept donations of old computers from schools and businesses, wipe the hard drives, swap parts as needed, load Linux and give them out to the community free of charge. Antix and Mepis are my distros of choice for this. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
I use a Texas smoker, no propane or rotisseries here. Brine 'em first, helps keep moist. Lower is better, temp-wise. When I do up a brisket, I typically get up to build the fire around 2:30 - 3 a.m. and let her smoke slow and easy on an oak fire, for 10 hours or so. Keep the temp low, and it will be smoky/juicy/good. ETOH is also essential, but not as a marinade or baste. It optimizes the attitude of the grillmaster. Bill R wrote: It was always amusing to read letters from my hippie big sis when she talked about her large garden: beans, squash, pot, corn ... er, I wouldn't send that on a postcard... BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:58 PM To: Banned List Cc: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question speaking of cooking and such, since the price of groceries has gone up so much, Im really thinking about having a garden next year. Bill R wrote: Tried out my new [to me] grill tonight, and tried the rotisserie for the first time in my life. Pretty basic stuff, I stuck two chickens on the spit, put some BBQ rub on them and cranked it up. I was also dealing with some grandkids at the time, and when I thought it was stable at 450 degrees I wandered off for a time. When I got back a few minutes later it as at 550 and the chicken skin was black. Tasted good [burn was only of the skin], but not visually appealing, to say the least. It's a 4 burner Jenn-Air, 64,000 BTU. Anyone have a good method for using a rotisserie? It did not come with a manual. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT rotisserie question
Another observation on the genesis of marijuana prohibition - The prohibition against alcohol resulted in an enormous build-up of the police force, FBI, prisons, etc, a whole burgeoning bureaucracy. Then prohibition was nixed - and we had a powerful bureaucracy with no justification for its existence. What to do? A massive propaganda campaign was launched, linking the weed to black/brown men violating white women, to incurable insanity, to a bunch of repugnant, ridiculous, made-up crap. The term marijuana was not widely in vogue, but the term was popularized during this blitz to underscore that it was the recreational substance of Mexicans. The propaganda blitz with its shameless appeal to racism was effective, and the marijuana tax act was passed only a few short years after prohibition (of ETOH) ended, with outright criminalization following closely on its heels. Mission accomplished! The police state was preserved, and has now grown to the point where the incarceration of our citizens is a top industry and we keep a greater percentage of our citizens behind bars than the Soviet Union ever did. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: Criminalization of possession of narcotics is probably unconstitutional and certainly does nothing but criminalize a huge portion of the population. It does not deter use, it just makes felons of a huge number of people. I don't know what the percentage of people in prison who have only non-violent drug possession convictions is, but it's something like half -- to the tune of $100,000 per year in cost! No other nation in the Western world did Prohibition, for just this reason. Drug abuse is a social problem, not a criminal one (except for manufacture and distribution), and there is no penalty in Europe for possession for personal use. Therefore most of the using population isn't criminal, the prisons aren't full of non-violent criminals, and the police have time to work on real crime. The hysteria about pot started in the teens when nice white urban girls started getting turned on to it by, ahem, persons of color attached to the Jazz movement. It was mostly an African/Latino thing before that, but proper white society went into a major speed wobble when the races started mixing. The properties of the substance weren't really the issue. The insanity in the 60's started with a whack case in Texas who found roaches in the back yard after coming home from an extended vacation without the kids -- seems the underage kids had been having a non- stop party for the month the parents were gone and Mommy blew a gasket about the road to heroin. Texas passed a law against possession that called for the death penalty (no lesser sentence available) for detectable amounts of pot. Sheer lunacy, if one can be that kind, and the Texas Supreme Court actually upheld it if I remember correctly. I can understand Carrie Nation's objection to excessive drinking, although she was another nut case bound and determined to force everyone to do what SHE wanted. Public drunkenness was a huge problem around the turn of the century in America, to the point that many industries really only ran Tuesday to Thursday -- by Friday afternoon the work force was usually comatose and weren't able to work until Tuesday morning. This is not an exaggeration, it was REALLY bad, as many European visitors commented. Of course working people to death for less than it cost to live was also rampant. Outlawing alcohol isn't the answer, of course, that just leads to people being poisoned by improperly distilled spirits, economic ruin for a perfectly normal and safe industry (beer, wine, and spirits manufacture), and social chaos when half the population is actively engaged in criminal activity. I think the proper term is contempt for the Law -- we end up with a class of people who commit felonies several times a day, so they end up feeling that ALL laws are just as ridiculous and quickly graduate to things like armed robbery, theft, assault, embezelment, and so forth. I think we will eventually come to our collective senses and de- criminalize drug possession, while simultaneously clamping down on pharmaceutical companies making precursors freely available (the meth problem is easily preventable -- all you have to do is remove the easy access to synthetic pseudo-ephidrine). It worked to stop the Qualude epidemic in the 70's. Can't make psuedoephidrine in the basement, it takes a decent sized chemical synthesis setup and considerable skill, knowledge, and quality control. You can, however, buy the stuff by the ton on the open market, no questions asked, if you have the cash. The major guys have been screaming for years it's too profitable to even verify that the purchaser is actually a bona fide drug manufacturer. Ain't profit great? The main
Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power?
A local mechanic here is selling a snake-oil contraption which makes browns gas as well as tinkering with the ignition timing and he claims it gets mileage improvements of over 100%. It is Dennis Lee's device, and it is BS. A good place to start the inquiry is by asking how much of the gasoline which goes into the cylinders in your car exits unburnt. This arguably represents the maximum gain you can make by simply improving combustion. It is a very small number in modern, fuel injected cars. Are internal combustion engines energy efficient? Not really. A lot of energy is released not in the form of kinetic energy but of heat which must be dissipated by the cooling system. But the 'browns gas devices do nothing to change that. Lee Tom Hargrave wrote: A small amount of hydrogen oxygen (brown's gas) will improve the combustion process and will provide more power. Then you'll use that additional power plus extra to make more Brown's gas. Propane injection also works but its false economics. You burn less gas more propane. All of these solutions were tried in the 70's they finally disappeared when the public figured out that they were BS. The real issue is that whenever there is money to be made, there are more than just a few crooks out there waiting to take your hard earned dollars. That said, there is a way to use water to improve mileage, but not by much. We experimented with water injection in the late 70s. The idea was to spray a small stream of water through the carb when it was running. The water would mix with the air would convert to steam in the engine, providing a little extra push. The idea worked - I documented a 1 MPG improvement in my 1974 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Problem was, 1 MPG was not worth the trouble of maintaining the system. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen Power? I've been looking at that and thinking about it for a while. I can't see it either. On the other hand I can see that it might be possible that a small amount of Brown's gas (hydrogen and the oxygen that it was split from) burned in conjunction with gasoline or diesel may possibly improve the combustion process enough to actually give more power and thus more mileage from each gallon of fuel. I have seen the power increase from propane injection on a diesel truck so I can't say that this won't work. Probably will try it sometime once I get some time to play just to see. After all I have a good test bed. Manfred Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 15:55:02 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are burning hydrogen in the engine. They are using power from the battery to split water into hydrogen oxygen. But where does the power come from that's stored in the battery? From the alternator, right? And the alternator is powered by (drum roll please), the engine? So, it goes like this.. They are using power from the engine to generate electricity, which is used to generate hydrogen, which is then fed back into the engine to generate more power. The issue with this system is that in an absolute perfect, no loss system, the results would be a net zero! In other words, no gain! In the real world, you loose energy with every step in the process Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 5/17/2008 6:26 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 5/17/2008 6:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Military Service - Was: America's Climate Security Act
Zits break out. Wars are volitional. Wars can break out at any time. The franchise came from being _willing_ to be part of the spear, if required. Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Kit Cars, was: Best Porsches
There are also TDI to bug kits, or so I have heard, so you could do a 50 mpg porche kit car. From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 6:19:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kit Cars, was: Best Porsches On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:26 AM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: How about a replica or kitcar of a Porsche 550 ? Super light, simple, and the powertrain can be had for next to nothing. I think an old Bug would make a great donor car for most of mechanical bits you'd need, and there are endless suppliers offering performance parts for old bug engines. And there are kits to drop a Subaru engine in anywhere you can put a Bug engine, too. How about a 550 or 356 replica with a water-cooled 250 HP turboed flat-four? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Red Anaheim Chilis
Normally you would harvest peel anaheims when they are green. Oh, well, have a taste and use your mouth-imagination to figure what they would go well with when red. Roasted green chiles, in the proud New Mexico tradition, go well with anything except perhaps pancakes or ice cream. Scramble 'em in your eggs. Throw 'em in your hash browns. Put them in your beef stew. Top your chicos beans with them. Stuff them with cheese, dip them in batter and fry them. Put them in your corn chowder. use them as a hamburger topping. Wizz them up in a blender with milk and sour cream and use them as an enchilada sauce. The list is endless. Lee OK Don wrote: I remember someone writing about purchasing a bunch of chilis and processing them a while back (Craig?). We planted some this year, and are just harvesting some pretty chilis - now, what do I do with them? I konw about roasting, placing in paper bags, and removing the skin. Then what do you do with them? How do you cook with them? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Red Anaheim Chilis
The dried red ones on strings? They're called ristras. You dangles 'em in front of your door to be picturesque - if yer like most folk. If you want to use them like in olden days, first make sure they are not treated with preservatives (many of the ristras are,) rehydrate them with a soak in boiling water, scrape the meat off the skins and make enchilada sauce with it. They are essentially the same as what you buy in powdered form as New Mexico red chile powder. Me, I'm a lazy guy, I cook with the red chile powder. Lee OK Don wrote: OK - sounds good -- what do you do with the long strings of dried red chilies? Are they Anaheims? On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally you would harvest peel anaheims when they are green. Oh, well, have a taste and use your mouth-imagination to figure what they would go well with when red. Roasted green chiles, in the proud New Mexico tradition, go well with anything except perhaps pancakes or ice cream. Scramble 'em in your eggs. Throw 'em in your hash browns. Put them in your beef stew. Top your chicos beans with them. Stuff them with cheese, dip them in batter and fry them. Put them in your corn chowder. use them as a hamburger topping. Wizz them up in a blender with milk and sour cream and use them as an enchilada sauce. The list is endless. Lee OK Don wrote: I remember someone writing about purchasing a bunch of chilis and processing them a while back (Craig?). We planted some this year, and are just harvesting some pretty chilis - now, what do I do with them? I konw about roasting, placing in paper bags, and removing the skin. Then what do you do with them? How do you cook with them? -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Red Anaheim Chilis
It's ristras, bro. Like Re-straws. Sounds like you've got some picoso sabroso going on in yer pad. Good on ya. Lee OK Don wrote: I never can remember that word - ristas. Maybe it'll sink in this time. We've been growing our own cayenne peppers - stringing them up to dry for keeping till next season, so thought we'd try the anaheims in addition this year. The chilies and okra are about all that last through the 100+ heat here - so the more the merrier! We had three of the fresh red anaheims tongiht in a curried orka dish that was yummy. - On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dried red ones on strings? They're called ristras. You dangles 'em in front of your door to be picturesque - if yer like most folk. If you want to use them like in olden days, first make sure they are not treated with preservatives (many of the ristras are,) rehydrate them with a soak in boiling water, scrape the meat off the skins and make enchilada sauce with it. They are essentially the same as what you buy in powdered form as New Mexico red chile powder. Me, I'm a lazy guy, I cook with the red chile powder. Lee -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Vista disaster continues for Microsoft
Count me among them. Unless you count that whole spontaneous crash thing, there is not much you can do on Micro$oft that you can't do on Linux. I haven't used Microsoft at home for at least a decade. Lee On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many see the light and give up on Microsoft altogether and use a real OS like GNU/Linux or BSD? -- Philip -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Vista disaster continues for Microsoft
Googling P2P television linux returns 1.7 million hits. I have no interest myself, but I am pretty sure if you want p2p television on linux you can have it. Lee Gary Hurst wrote: i have connections to vendors that only seem to work on windoze. i also run my P2P television stuff on windoze. im' sure there are a few other things as well. On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Count me among them. Unless you count that whole spontaneous crash thing, there is not much you can do on Micro$oft that you can't do on Linux. I haven't used Microsoft at home for at least a decade. Lee On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how many see the light and give up on Microsoft altogether and use a real OS like GNU/Linux or BSD? -- Philip -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT correction Now we're bailing out commercial paper too but it is not the fault of capitalism?
1). Government is the bitch of big business. 2). Big business operates by crisis capitalism, create a clusterfsck and then capitalize on the desperation and panic. -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] sheriff who violated the Hatch Act
Allan Streib wrote: In fact the conspiracy theorist could easily imagine that the current crisis was engineered by the left to better the chances of regaining the white house. I don't give them that much credit, but this whole election is shaping up with eerie similarities to the Ford/Carter contest in '76. That would mean that the left conspired to inherit a total crap sandwich - problematic military occupations on two fronts in conjunction with a collapsing economy. If I were a conspiratorial Dem and were acting out of Machiavellian self-interest, I would be looking for a way to get McCain-Palin in so the Republicans could be stuck with the next four years of bad times and turmoil. Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - trouble in Iraq - what is war
Well said, Bill. To that I would add, when natural resources are stolen out from under the feet of those third worlders, it is generally done legally. But those who are doing the stealing are also making the laws. It has been ever thus. Lee Bill R wrote: OK, I ignored the stuff about Bush and some other silly comments about the elections and FL [I was there and talked to some of the people involved, and will never quite trust our election process again.] I mentioned before that I was in Peshawar, Pakistan during those elections and was very surprised how easy it was to follow developments on our elections from a few miles away from a Taliban terrorist training center, and later from even remote desert areas in Pakistan and later in Bangladesh, but I digress down memory lane. I do draw the line at calling the brutalization of people by neglect and harsh rule 'peace.' It is not 'peace' when a high number of children die from malnutrition and easily cure maladies [in many areas 2 or 3 of every 5 children] so resources can be sucked out of a country for the benefit of either it's ruling class or some foreign country or business; it does not become 'war' only when the people so affected start to fight back. I am a pretty peaceful person, but given many of the situations I see around the world I easily understand why folks begin to fight back. Personally, if given a choice of watching my children and grandchildren die of starvation and be allowed to die of disease I would rather see them killed fighting back. We need to get way beyond our consumer nation view of which nations have 'peace' and what situations constitute 'war.' One situation that is pretty easy to see: If a fishing community, whose only source of food and income is derived from fishing watches a foreign trawler clean out it's fishing grounds [did you think our cheap cans of cat food appeared by magic?] and decides to attack that ship it is naive to talk about 'those pirates' who attacked a peaceful trawler, and lump them in with the real pirates who do a lot of damage. For the fishing concern and the consumer no difference is seen. For a remote island the only difference between shooting everyone and taking away their food is how rapidly they die and with how much misery and pain, and whether someone else benefits from it. A 'Calvin and Hobbes' cartoon from several years ago did a fairly good job with this: It showed an alien spacecraft arriving and sucking the water out of our oceans to transport it to another planet that needed it. As they left they apologized that their action was going to kill earth, but they preferred that to losing their jobs. Funny if it were not true so many times around our world. Yes, it is more complicated that that with international relations and self-rule and all kinds of other issues, but the bottom line is that a lot of people die and live in poverty so a relatively few others can get rich, and to much of the rest of the world we are a greedy billionaire mortgage lender. Off the soapbox. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:56 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - trouble in Iraq If you liberate people who have only known war, cruelty oppression and you give them the freedom associated with a democratic system, they will react the only way they know how - through war, cruelty oppression. England found this out when they tried to bring Democracy into Iraq in the early 20th century and I guess we need to learn the same lesson all over again. The middle ease was peaceful the longest when it was the Ottoman Empire. Problem was, it was a very oppressive empire. Saudi works because it's a kingdom not a democracy. Put the same system in Iraq and our problems will start to go away. But we won't because we Americans have this misguided belief that our system is good for everyone in the world.. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - trouble in Iraq i believe that when you are actually liberating people, they are happy to see you and don't try to kill you. i believe that if you can fight the civil war and two world wars in 4 years, it shouldn't take you any longer to liberate iraq. i believe that we are the real terrorists in this world and have proven to all the peoples of the earth that we are crazy and capable of absolutely anything. i believe that this was the same scam as vietnam and any people who allow themselves to have this happen again don't deserve respect or sympathy i believe this war is largely about more money
[MBZ] Power antenna not working
Hi, all - The power antenna on my 1980 300CD has ceased going up and down. It stuck about halfway a few days ago and bled the battery down trying to lower itself the rest of the way, but that is another story. It is now in the fully retracted position. Should I just get a new mast and hope for the best? Should I pull the whole mess and replace? And what is the procedure for removing and replacing the mast? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
LarryT wrote: You wrote turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's worst Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the hospital - near ER, REception, on every floor in hallways - etc - only a blind person would miss it. It states that anyone regardless of ability to pay, insurance or not will receive emergency medical treatment Its not illegal at all. You need to understand what emergency treatment means in this context. It means they stabilize you and get you the hell out. It may not even mean that they set your broken limb, just that you are not in immediate danger of death. They will not give you a kidney. They will not give you a triple bypass. They will not treat your cancer. They will stabilize you post-trauma or post acute event, e.g., stroke, and then you are out on the street. An estimated 18,000 people die in the U.S., per year, because of lack of access to medical treatment. Think of it as five or six World Trade Center attacks, per year. Same casualties. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Audacity recording
For one, you need to hit the stop button before you can save. Loren Faeth wrote: OK, Youse guys recommended Audacity. I think I was successful to record from a microphone with it. At least there are lots of squiggles on the chart that scrolls across. It won't let me save what I apparently have. The Save is grayed out as are a lot of other things on the various menus. I tried to highlight the recording , but that didn't seem to make the save as show up. I have tried lots of things, but can't get it to save. I don't really want to loose the recording. The audacity help is helpless in this case. What am I missing? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Audacity recording
Have you tried exporting as a .wav or .mp3 file? Lee Loren Faeth wrote: yes, did that. Then tried everything i could think of to get it to save the file. It has been sitting on my desktop for a few days while I tried to figure out how to save the file. It is about an hour and 20 minutes long. At 08:33 PM 1/20/2009, you wrote: For one, you need to hit the stop button before you can save. Loren Faeth wrote: OK, Youse guys recommended Audacity. I think I was successful to record from a microphone with it. At least there are lots of squiggles on the chart that scrolls across. It won't let me save what I apparently have. The Save is grayed out as are a lot of other things on the various menus. I tried to highlight the recording , but that didn't seem to make the save as show up. I have tried lots of things, but can't get it to save. I don't really want to loose the recording. The audacity help is helpless in this case. What am I missing? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] serious depression of peoples attitude to their fellow man
Before you purchased your first home, did you rent, or did you live in your mom's house? If the former, which of your listed renter categories best applied to you? And what do you mean by minorities? Do you mean renters are in the minority, or is there something else you are getting at? Lee Gary Hurst wrote: in the USA, renters are transients. criminals. convicted sex felons. meth addicts. minorities. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] black goo in fuel
My wife's 1980 300CD has been getting black goo in the fuel system. Recently, we had to replace the in line fuel filter twice on a 120 mile trip. What to do? I just called our local diesel repair shop. The helpful mechanic said that there was no way to clean the tank and that we would have to have a replacement fuel tank installed. LOL, I think not. How do y'all deal with algae or bad diesel crapping up your filters? Any helpful advice? Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet
First, purge your browser cache. I've seen a full cache bugger up the works on Windoze boxes before. Next, try throwing a Mepis disc in your CDROM drive and seeing if you are still bolloxed when running a different browser and OS. That should tell you whether it is a hardware problem or a software problem. Iffn it's a hardware problem, swap out your NIC. If the problem goes away, then you have your answer. If not, try putting a known good NIC in a different PCI slot. If it's a software problem, well, you are running XP Home. You could try to clean up any malware, or wipe it and reinstall. Or follow the true path to enlightenment and install Linux. Lee Max Dillon wrote: Folks, Need some diagnostic methods to figure out a nagging problem. Computer is a dell desktop, 6 years old or so, with XP Home OS. Over the last year it has developed a badly intermittent internet/ethernet connection, to the point where a web page will only load on one out of two or three attempts, sometimes one in ten attempts. I've plugged a different computer in on the same ethernet cable (which connects to our DSL modem) and had no problems at all, so I'm pretty sure the problem is resident on this dell box. It has an old version of Internet Explorer. I keep Symantec firewall/anti-virus up to date (and always have) and install all the patches to the OS etc. as they are released. Thanks in advance, Max -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090823/aad0d315/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet
You don't want to do it through internet explorer. There is an option in the IE menu tree which gets it done. Here's how you do it in IE 6. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie6/using/howto/customizing/clearcache.mspx I haven't used either Windows or IE for more than a decade. I found linux was far more conducive to inner peace. Lee archer wrote: From: Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com First, purge your browser cache. I've seen a full cache bugger up the works on Windoze boxes beforesnip Hi Lee, Where is the browser cache (IE on WindowsXP)? I looked at the IE programs using Windows Explorer but couldn't find a cache anywhere. Once in a while when loading a website I'll get a field that says: Stack overload or Stack overflow. Does Ccleaner (Crap Cleaner) fix that? Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connectionto internet
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Half the fun is diagnosing the darned thing. Would using the ping command provide any sort of diagnostic result for a bad NIC? I've already used ping just once to make sure I could get to the Bellsouth DSL gateway, and it worked fine. Max That's fairly predictable,though, isn't it? The problem was not lack of connectivity so much as gawdawful slowness IIRC. So you should get your ping packets back. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer help - how diagnose intermittent connection to internet
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Wife uses some MS software that she's wed'ed to, so a different non-MS OS is not really possible. It may well be possible, Max. Wifey's MS software may run well in WINE or Crossover Office and if that's the case you would be good to go with a Linux system. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
andrew strasfogel wrote: A clean CD is definitely worth over $10K if you have the service history. They are magnificent on the highway (30 mpg) and zippy around town (20 mpg) and look kinda cool Perhaps the turbo CDs (81 and later) zip. My 1980 CD proceeds with a calm and deliberate dignity. It does not zip. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Zoltan Finks wrote: Zowie. Wonder why this message didn't show up in my gmail inbox until today. My wife wants a CD, and we're moving to the Seattle area in less than a year. We want one in good shape that we don't have to mess with, or one in decent shape that we can put money into fixing, then stop messing with it. Does one ever stop messing with these? My vacuum system is giving me grief again, after I put in many hours last year chasing down leaks, replacing tubing, replacing the *(^##$ under-dash cannisters for the climate control, etc. I am thinking if you want something you don't have to mess with, that would be something still under warranty from the dealer. The rest, sooner or later, you will be doing some wrenching on. The $10,000 asking price for a CD is extraordinary. I got mine for $1,500 with 116,000 miles on it and a trashed tranny. I paid too much. It would have been a $500 Kaleb Car. Still, it will be my buddy for probably another twenty years until the engine calls it quits (or I do.) Lee
Re: [MBZ] 300TD engine shut-off (or not)
Euan wrote: Hi there colleague Benzers My 300TD has started to run on when I switch off. Because this happens mostly when the engine is cold and grumpy, I'm assuming (based on a recent thread) that it's a vacuum problem. I'm completely ignorant of how the pneumatic system shuts the engine down, so I'd be grateful if anyone knows where to start looking for the leak. Unfortunately, the leak can be damn near anywhere. I had the same problem when I first got my 300CD, and the problem turned out to be a bad vacuum cylinder in the trunk lock and the harness of the Climate Control system being completely rotted out where it squeezes past the battery. Unless there is something glaring to tip you off (door locks that don't work, vacuum lines to nowhere) you will need to get yourself a MightyVac and start checking lines one by one. RE the MightyVac, the plastic ones are shite- I blew good money on a plastic piece of junk which already needs to be replaced so I will be looking for a metal one at Sears. These might help- http://www.dieselgiant.com/mercedesvacuumtroubleshooting.htm http://articles.mbz.org/interior/vacuum/ Lee
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
OK, I am not Clay, but- I run biodiesel in my 300CD. Running B20 or less, mods are probably not needed. I ran B20 for over a year without changing my lines. Now that I run B100, I have had to replace my fuel lines with Viton lines. No biggie. $20 and half an hour out of my life. Order the lines from Mcmaster-Carr. WWW.mcmaster.com Lee Zoltan Finks wrote: Clay, I was reading this post and my wife was reading over my shoulder. She saw that you were the Seattle BioBurner. I told her that you were the owner of Gump, which is the previous chassis to the W123. She responded I thought we couldn't run biodiesel without modifications - why can he? I said, I don't know, he must have done the modifications. So the question is, have you? And if so, can you intimate to us just what you had to do to enable you to run bio? We're assuming you're running bio from the pump. But maybe you make your own? Brian 83 240D On 10/13/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Gump for him. That way he can drive his little butt off and not get into trouble. Will also force him to be more careful about trying to stay out of trouble. Lack of safety geegaws and doohickey will hopefully make he rely on his own brain not a computer to save his bacon. On Oct 13, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Redghost wrote: I do not need my kid in a collectable rocket Wire up a valet switch to the switchover valve. Use an old IBM computer lock cylinder for the switch, tell the kid the switch is from an old alarm that was disabled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
You are correct. Lee Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks, Lee. Now, I imagine that the lines that run the majority of the length of the body are steel and would not need replacing? And that you are probably talking about just the portions of the lines that are rubber? Brian 83 240D On 10/14/06, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I am not Clay, but- I run biodiesel in my 300CD. Running B20 or less, mods are probably not needed. I ran B20 for over a year without changing my lines. Now that I run B100, I have had to replace my fuel lines with Viton lines. No biggie. $20 and half an hour out of my life. Order the lines from Mcmaster-Carr. WWW.mcmaster.com Lee Zoltan Finks wrote: Clay, I was reading this post and my wife was reading over my shoulder. She saw that you were the Seattle BioBurner. I told her that you were the owner of Gump, which is the previous chassis to the W123. She responded I thought we couldn't run biodiesel without modifications - why can he? I said, I don't know, he must have done the modifications. So the question is, have you? And if so, can you intimate to us just what you had to do to enable you to run bio? We're assuming you're running bio from the pump. But maybe you make your own? Brian 83 240D On 10/13/06, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Gump for him. That way he can drive his little butt off and not get into trouble. Will also force him to be more careful about trying to stay out of trouble. Lack of safety geegaws and doohickey will hopefully make he rely on his own brain not a computer to save his bacon. On Oct 13, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Redghost wrote: I do not need my kid in a collectable rocket Wire up a valet switch to the switchover valve. Use an old IBM computer lock cylinder for the switch, tell the kid the switch is from an old alarm that was disabled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
I don't know about the regular rubber lines purchased from Rusty, but I was told (I called) that the lines he carries are the stock fabric-reinforced rubber return lines. The stock injector return lines on my 300CD were turning into goo and beginning to leak after running B100 biodiesel for several months. This is a direct observation of physical fact, not a misconception. Lee Luther Gulseth wrote: BioD does NOT eat the regular rubber lines you purchase from Rusty anymore than DinoD ruins them. This misconception comes from the solvent properties of BioD cleaning the petro sludge out of the fuel lines and allowing them to leak. That makes people think that BioD ruined their 10 or 15 year old rubber fuel lines. Luther On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:17:45 -0500, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct. Lee Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks, Lee. Now, I imagine that the lines that run the majority of the length of the body are steel and would not need replacing? And that you are probably talking about just the portions of the lines that are rubber? Brian 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
The injector lines were old and may have been the originals. They were in good shape, however, before I began using B100. The large return line is a newer one, and it also was fine before I began running B100. Now it is ballooning out like a sausage. It will soon be replaced by a viton line. The idea that lines eventually leak anyway is a given- nothing lasts forever. The fact that all of the rubber lines lines, new and old, were fine before running B100 biodiesel and all have gone to crap relatively soon thereafter is quite a coincidence. For what its worth, my friend runs a Peugeot diesel on B100 and after several months of this his lines now also have turned to goo. Lee Luther Gulseth wrote: were they brand new? On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:26:54 -0500, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about the regular rubber lines purchased from Rusty, but I was told (I called) that the lines he carries are the stock fabric-reinforced rubber return lines. The stock injector return lines on my 300CD were turning into goo and beginning to leak after running B100 biodiesel for several months. This is a direct observation of physical fact, not a misconception. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Low miles 83 CD available
Luther Gulseth wrote: I have yet to see anyone who can prove that the regular new lines are damaged by BioD. What you see happening with the old lines is the sludge getting cleaned out. Nope. What I saw was the old injector return lines getting mushy and soft and flaring out at the ends, allowing leakage. And the main return line ballooning markedly. That's not sludge removal, that is slow dissolution. Lee
[MBZ] Transmission problems
My Benz is a 1980 300CD. The transmission is the type which has no mechanical linkage for downshift- it is controlled by the modulator, which runs on vacuum. Driving back from Santa Fe yesterday, the beast completely lost the ability to downshift, necessitating my manual shifting from low to 2 and then drive when starting out. Irritating and worrisome. I checked the trans fluid level and it is fine. I am also having problems with the vacuum system and am wondering if this would cause the problem. Any ideas as to what is causing the transmission's inability to downshift? Lee
Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat
Peter Frederick wrote: Check the monovalve and heater core pipes for heat -- if the monovalve is stuck shut, you won't get any head at all. That's definitely enough to make me check my monovalve... Lee
Re: [MBZ] Brrrr! It's Cold and I have no heat
andrew strasfogel wrote: No heat may also mean a broken thermostat. It could also mean that the last time he drained and filled the radiator he got an air bubble in the heater core and it needs to be burped. Lee
Re: [MBZ] People With Old VWs Have Lost Their Minds
I have driven a few bugs, and shopped extensively for a good one in Phoenix. My experience was that while you can pay a reasonable price - $1800 or so a few years back- for a structurally sound, rust-free running Dub, you will invariably have some wrenching to do. Problem is, anybody can work on a bug, but not everyone should be allowed to. Some don't do their regular valve adjustments and tune-ups, and you may have frozen adjusting studs. Many try to improve their bugs with a variety of mods which in some cases may be reasonable but in many cases are totally ignorant. I looked at one baha and noticed that their was no wire to the oil pressure sensor. When I looked under the hood at the fuse block, I about lost it. The proud owner then told me that to 'streamline his electrical system he disconected each wire one by one, and if his engine didn't die or the lights go out, he simply ripped the thing out and figured he had one less piece of wiring to worry about. I also saw one which, any time a dash switch failed, the owner did not replace it but rather drilled another hole in the dash and bypassed it with a radio-shack toggle switch. Others want to have a Dub hotrod, and you can soup up a bug engine, but generally at the expense of reliability. Dubs are air-cooled, which means that they depend on the surface area of the engine for cooling. Increases in engine displacement (and thus increases in power and heat generated) are cubic, while the increase in the surface area tends to be by the square. Thus, there is a limit in terms of increased engine displacement beyond which the engine cannot cool itself sufficiently. With an air-cooled engine, the climate also impacts this. So if you want to buy a bug with a 1776 CC engine and hotrod it around in Phoenix in the summertime, don't be surprised if you seize a piston. If I were hunting for a Dub, I would be looking for one which was structurally sound and which had the stock engine with few or no mods. The original VW as designed was a machine which was incredibly easy to work on and which would reward a religiously followed maintenance schedule with incredible reliability and longevity. It is unfortunate that so many owners decide to modify them. Lee Tom Hargrave wrote: A decent running, rust free bug will cost that much and for that price you should be able to start driving the car to work this week. You can find junk bug for $800.00 - $1,500.00. The issue with the cheap ones is that you will be replacing / repairing structural sheet metal, welding in floor pans and dealing with about every system in the car because the last driver ran the car until it stopped. You can almost guarantee an engine rebuild because it's easy to run a leaky VW engine out of oil, even one with a small oil leak. In other words, if you are serious about restoring a VW beetle, a good $3,500.00 daily driver, with a good engine, brakes, etc., etc., is not a bad deal. But the same is true for old Mercedes. I've owned 15 Mercedes to date and my least expensive Mercedes have been the ones I paid the most for up front. My 1987 300SDL cost me $2,000.00 during the first 2 months I owned it. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zoltan Finks Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] People With Old VWs Have Lost Their Minds Wow! Really? A VW bug costs that much? How about the ones from Mexico? Are they any different? They kept making them there after they stopped here. Brian On 10/21/06, Lee Einer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: I've been looking for one around here and the bottom end price for a complete, un-restored, rust free beetle from the mid-60s through the 70s is about $3,500.00. A nice restored example can bring $4,500.00++. Nice restored convertibles are going for $12,000.00++. Try sniffing around Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona. Plenty of rust-free beetles live there. Should be able to get one unrestored for well under $3,500, depending on year (the ones prior to 68 are the best.) Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] Kettle, pot, black, this is getting old real quick
Gary Hurst wrote: the thing that most impresses me about movies in recent times is how much effort is put into getting the details right. when you watch, say, an old john wayne war movie, you see clearly that this is like a play and it is not like the fight really was. when i watched films such as saving private ryan and we were soldiers for the first time, i was blown away by oh, man, this could be what it really looked like OTOH, there is Gladiator, where the anachronisms piled up like cordwood. Lee
Re: [MBZ] OT but at least not the Kettle, pot, black
Gary Hurst wrote: the closest i've been to a gunfight is about 10 feet and the combatants were remarkably inept. both emptied high capacity glock magazines and no one died. most of the bullets ended up in my 1971 250, which still had the bullet holes in it when it was last driven by MMM. you would think two fellas who have chosen such a violent profession would be better at violence, but it seems everything is dumbed down in our modern times. Sounds like you might have used up a couple of your nine lives on that one. A bystander is often the worst person to be in a situation like that. I have often thought that, some of these street dealers being such incredibly bad shots, the safest thing to do if they are shooting at you would be to stand absolutely still, as the one thing they never seem to hit is what they are aiming at. Of course, I don't take my own advice. I have not lived in such wild woolly neighborhoods for years, but when I did and I heard gunshots I dove for cover muy pronto. Lee
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Final warning before entire list goes into
I'll bite- From where is it leaking oil? Lee Gary Hurst wrote: exactly. it's ridiculous to make this into an issue. my 81 300TD is leaking oil maniacally right now. anyone want to talk about that? :) On 10/25/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst wrote: i wish so many of you weren't so sensitive. so many of us here have been together for so long and yet so many will jump ship the moment they are offended. let's have some reasonableness from all parties as this list won't be around much longer without it I have been out of town and state and I came back to a zillion emails and I started to read some of them and then all of a sudden some people were bent out of shape. Come on shake hands pat each other on the shoulder and let's get back to talking about cars. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Ultra Low sulfur Diesel
Levi Smith wrote: That would be the correct label for anything other than ULSD... If you were at a normal LSD pump that is the correct label. Are they really calling Low Sulfur Diesel LSD these days? That has to make for a lot of misunderstandings... Lee
Re: [MBZ] 80 dollar Gump
Tyler Backman wrote: brake line still good If the fact that one brake line is still good is a significant feature worth mentioning in the ad, I question the condition of this car. 200 lb compression is not encouraging, either. This is beyond the realm of the fixer-upper. You can't polish a turd, and I think this 240D qualifies as a real meadow muffin. Lee
Re: [MBZ] test
Luther wrote: wasn't for a while last night. Some emails from the list had blank senders, blank subject, blank date, and all the headers were inside the email. I was confused.. Interesting. I didn't have any issues like that. Could the problem lie with your e-mail client?
Re: [MBZ] 1971 220D oil consumption
How many miles ya got on the beast? Is there a lot of blow-by? Is there fair amount of oil blowing into your air cleaner from the rocker-cover vent? Low compression could be due to carbon crapping up the rings. Oil can be consumed simply because excessive blow-by is blasting it out of the vent and into the air cleaner. I had the same thing going on with my 1980 300CD. My mechanic didn't have much helpful to say either, except that I must have bad rings. The treatment, kindly provided by the veterans on this list, was to run a couple of bottles of Diesel Purge through it, give it the famed Italian Tune up, and to drive it like I stole it. After a couple of thousand miles, the symptoms abated. Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This car is consuming about a quart of oil every 250 miles or so. There's one small drip coming from someplace, but this doesn't account for such oil loss. I recently had a compression test and leak down test performed by an indie, and here are the results he gave me. Compression (in p.s.i.): cylinder 1: 320 dry / 420 wet cylinders 2, 3 and 4: 340 dry Leak down: cylinder 1: 70% leakage dry / 55% wet (leak down was only performed on cyl 1) He says minimum compression should be 365, but my MB service manual (printed May 1970)says minimum is 250, standard range is 323-352; says readings should be the same as a 616 or 617 engine. After arguing over what the readings should be (the MB service manual is wrong?), we discussed leak down test results, which, if performed correctly, would be a more accurate assessment of touble in the engine. Indie says he cold hear the air going right down the cylinder in #1, indicating worn or broken rings. After cylinder #1, he didn't go any further. Though he was recommended to me as a reliable technician, I'm of the mindset to ignore ALL his findings and start all over again with someone else. When at operating temp, the engine runs pretty good, with decent pick-ip (for a 220D). Engine also starts well when glow plugs are properly warmed. I do see a fair amount of smoke coming out of the tail pipe, and it seems that I can smell oil in the exhaust. Some of the smoke is probably from the diesel fuel, but I don't think all of it. I do not have the proper equipment to perform the compression and leak down tests, otherwise I would do it myself. Any thoughts on what is going on with this engine? Thanks in advance. 1971 220D engine 615.912 Dave ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Big uptick in spam
I use Mozilla Thunderbird for my e-mail client. It has a way cool teachable junk mail utility. Mine is filtering all messages identified as junk to a junk folder which gets periodically emptied. It still lets a few spams through, but it is still learning and it is getting better. Lee Zoltan Finks wrote: Is there some technique that I need to employ in order to get these same entities to stop spamming me? I report them as spam every time, but messages come in from the same sources every few hours. Quite an aggressive campaign they have, whomever they are. Brian On 11/24/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've noticed a lot more. but it's automatically going into the spam folder. so I don't really care. On 11/24/06, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else out there that uses gmail been getting a lot more spam lately? Every six hours or so, I get the same crop of offers or prize notifications from jc penny, walmart, ebay and home depot. Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] autodimming mirrors
An immutable reality of the road is that he who goes faster than he can stop will some day meet with grief. Here in El Otro Las Vegas we had several inches of snow fall over night. I was driving on the main drag early this AM, hubs locked, 4wd engaged, at 20-25 mph. I judged that to be max safe speed. Some clown in a box van passed me going over the posted speed limit. Idiot. I half expected to see him down the road either OFF the road or wrapped around a telephone pole. Didn't happen this time. It will happen some time if the driver doesn't wise up. I have no illusions about what my intrepid Isuzu Amigo can do in the snow. 4WD does help in the snow, but the bottom line is that the rubber you have on the road is the rubber you have on the road, same traction whether 2wd or 4wd. 4wd will help you take off and go, it will not help you stop and it will not do much to help you turn. My favorite dumbass thing is the SUV owners who think their SUV will go through a deep flooded wash. You can see them on the news every monsoon in Phoenix and Tucson- on the roofs of their SUVs, waving to the rescue helicopter. Note: 4WD does not convert your SUV into a submersible craft. And then there's this- The biggest SUV on the road for the biggest morons on the road- http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=Pr-yKGiBnRcsearch=suck Lee Levi Smith wrote: That is definitely true. Drivers are the biggest factors in the driving and there are plenty of people who don't have a clue about their vehicles other than yeah it's got 4wd and no clue about how the 4wd or awd works and what effect that will have. So they pretty much just say yeah I got 4wd so snow doesn't bother me with no clue about what kind of tires they have or how much tread is on them... How long does it take to STOP that 3 ton Suburban full of passengers with 1/10th tread left? Levi On 11/30/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: If its bad enough out that I can't get somewhere in my 190D I shouldn't be out on the streets because its not safe no matter what. I'm guessing you live somewhere flat. When I lived in Houghton, MI, there were sometimes places I couldn't get to because I didn't have enough traction to climb the hills. Driving was otherwise reasonably safe, I just didn't have enough grip in my 2WD van. Unfortunately, a lot of people have unreasonable expectations of what 4WD can do, and they get themselves in trouble. When we had a snowstorm here in the Seattle area earlier this week, I counted a lot more SUVs in the ditch than passenger cars. My guess is the SUV drivers were driving with less caution due to their superior vehicles, or maybe went out when passenger car drivers decided to stay home. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126
You have a right to not incriminate yourself precisely because if you had no such right you would be compelled to incriminate yourself. Go here- http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/not_guilty/coerced_confessions/5.html to see what form that may take in practice. And no, taking the fifth is not a tacit admission of guilt, it is a declination to answer a question when on trial for a criminal offense. Isn't it quite obvious that one may choose not to answer a question without being guilty of the crime of which one is accused? I think many people have a misunderstanding of this aspect of the Fifth Amendment fostered by a popular misquote- On the telly, you always here the (guilty) guy say on the stand I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me. Although IANAL, I believe that language is unnecessary and prejudicial. The Fifth amendment states in pertinent part that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself - that just stays that you cannot be compelled to give testimony when you are the defendant in a criminal trial. Lee Jeff Zedic wrote: Hmmm, I still don't understand the 5th..why would an innocent person use it? So basically, using the 5th is a tacit admission of guilt, no? If I caused serious accident, I'd admit faultwhere's the problem? Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126
Jeff Zedic wrote: Lee, You seem to miss my point. I'm saying, ifyou did it, own up to it. I'm not into all this legal hocus pocus(see O.J.) Sorry, I missed that. Sounded to me like you misunderstood the Fifth Amendment and why it was written. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126
Jeff Zedic wrote: I uderstand the fifth but still don't see why you have it, that's true. Seems like an easy out to delay the inevitable to me. My original question concerned how this telemetry is an invasion of privacy. The original post spoke of how the data on the box would be available not only in a legal proceeding but also routinely to auto manufacturers and auto insurance companies. That, particularly if it is accompanied by any identifying data as to the driver, is intrusive. How and where I drive, so long as I obey traffic laws, is nobody's business but my own. Ironic also that this will be benefiting auto manufacturers and insurance companies, but they are not footing the bill for this black box- the individual buying the car is paying for it, whether he/she wants it or not. Shouldn't the auto companies and insurers be the ones paying for the *(^#%$ thing if they are the ones realizing the benefit? The only way that this would not be an invasion of privacy is if the data is surrendered with the consent of the owner, or if the box is obtained through legitimate legal means such as a search warrant. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126
Jeff Zedic wrote: What would bethe purpose of an innocent person using the 5th? If they perhaps, by giving information, incrimiate themsleves in a different unknown crime? Again, time for history, recent and not so recent. The fifth amendment protects you, at least in theory, from your confession being admissible if the police obtain it by beating the living shit out of you until you sign. This protection is not a wacky US invention, it is also found in British common law. It is a protection every bit as vital to a free society as habeus corpus. You are surely more civilized in Canada, but in the US we have a long and rich history of police-coerced confessions using beatings, rubber hoses, sleep deprivation, even electric shock. This is what compelling you to be a witness against yourself can look like in practice. It doesn't just pertain to the witness stand. As to the purpose of an innocent person using the fifth while on the stand? There are a variety of reasons why. in the McCarthy hearings of the 1950s, people were questioned about their political beliefs, which were not a crime and were nobody's business but their own. They took the fifth in many cases, and rightly so. Besides it being no business of McCarthy and his cronies, the information was used to persecute and harrass. What they were accused of was no crime, but a forthright answer would have been used to destroy their reputations and their livelihoods. And of course, just maybe, while that liquor store was being robbed you were home f**king the daylights out of your best friend's wife. That's not a crime, and is in fact exculpatory, but you would probably want to keep it to yourself. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Big Brother is Nearby --- WAS---- W140 Vs W126, and now health care costs ....
BillR wrote: I am not up on current figures, but back when I was [10 - 12 years ago] the US cost of determining who would pay [or not] for medical care, and processing those payments and arguing about it, was about the same as would have been the cost for providing health insurance / care for every uninsured person in the US with a single payer system. Not that it doesn't keep me in a reasonable standard of living, but it keeps a lot of people in misery. That sounds about right. I worked in the area of healthcare finance for nearly 20 years. A health care provider of moderate size in the USA has to - -Identify the appropriate primary payor out of several which may be involved. Not as easy as it sounds, and there are frequent disputes in which although the patient may be covered by several insurers, all insist that the other one pays first before they will consider the claim. -Identify whether or not they are contracted with those payors, or with any of a veritable spiderweb of PPOs, IPAs etc which both they and the payors may participate with, in order to identify what discount is to be applied and how much of the billed charge must be written off. -Identify and comply with the pre-authorization or precertification requirements of the payors. -Identify the idiosyncratic billing requirements of the particular payors. This all should be done before the claim is mailed. Pre-authorization and precertification must be done, except in emergency situations, before the service is rendered. Then comes the mailing or electronic transmission of the claim, the numerous calls to the insurance company to politely inquire as to whereinthehell the check might be, the endless time on hold. The disputed claims. The appeals, the claims resubmissions, the adjusted payments, etc. You can case your money with an insurance company literally for years in some cases. I have. One of my uglier cases involved roughly $800,000 in billed charges and dragged on for about four years before the insurer finally gave up and cut the check. I would guess that any moderate to large size healthcare provider could cut their billing and collections staff by 80% if the status quo were replaced with a well-run single-payor system. Likewise, looking at the monstrous clusterfuck which is the US healthcare payment system as a whole, probably 95% of the administrative overhead could be eliminated by conversion to a single payor system. I figure I really spent close to 20 years being paid to do what in a sane world would be unnecessary. Lee
Re: [MBZ] OT: Big Brother is Nearby
LarryT wrote: you wrote about the corp avg fuel economy levels (CAFE) - It always makes me think that the avg fuel economy could improve by 25%-35% if more diesels were sold. I hate to have the govt involved in anything so I won't suggest the govt mandate 50% diesel engine equipped vehicles but it would go a long way to reducing our national use of fuel. Our government, on behalf of our oil and auto industries, is already involved in a most malign fashion. There are many EXTREMELY fuel efficient vehicles, many of them diesel, that are blocked from import to the US by the EPA, which is ostensibly about environmental protection but somehow allows 7mpg Hummers while blocking 50 MPG 4wds. There is a VW Lupo available in Europe and elsewhere that gets something like 80 mpg. VW did produce a roadworthy two-seater called the Lupo 1L which got over 250MPG and would have cost around $30,000 but they dropped it in 2003. http://www.carpages.ca/go/autonews/03192006,good_to_the_last_drop_of_diesel__vws_polo_bluemotion.aspx The Japanese have a mess of Kei Cars which have engines 650CC or less and which get great gas mileage. Can't get 'em in the US. http://japanoid.com/ So its not a matter of the US Govt not getting involved, they are already involved, but it IS time for the Govt to start placing the interests of its citizens over the interests of its corporations. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
Chris Kueny wrote: It was illegal here in SC until the '70's, if not later. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom deluxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback I've always found it striking that the arguments against gay marriage are mostly the same ones that were used against interracial marriage, back when that was illegal. -- When was interracial marriage illegal? It was called miscegenation and it was illegal in many states. The first such law was enacted in Maryland in 1661. The US Supreme Court shot down miscegenation laws in all states in 1967. The only state NOT to seek to enact a miscegenation law was Vermont. None the less, some states were so racist that they would not remove the anti-miscegenation statutes from their books. Alabama finally voted to take its statute off the books in 2000. Lee
Re: [MBZ] What does pink tranny fluid mean?
Yikes! Yer supposed to use ATF1, not Pepto-Bismol! Lee John Robbins wrote: What makes tranny fluid turn pink? Air? Water? ???I also found some white stuff on the bottom of the pan as well... I attached some pics of the transmission pan. The mark in the white stuff is from me wiping my finger through it. Thanks!! John 84 190D 79 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Shag rugs on dash (was) defrost/heat questions (83 300SD
Werner Fehlauer wrote: Perhaps a gold-plated bulldog to put on the hood in place of the Star? ;-))) Those are only fashionable if the eyes light up. Lee
[MBZ] Defroster kaput
The blower fan on my 1980 300CD just stopped working. Even the defrost doesn't blow. Fuse looks OK. What do you all recommend for diagnosis and treatment? I can do without climate control, but having a working defroster is crucial in this weather. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
Balisongs are fun, and they never get tiresome, at least not until you cut the bejeezuz out of yourself while messing with one. Been there, done that. I still have the butterfly knife that saved my bacon 30 years ago on the streets of Detroit. I favor non-stainless, high-carbon steel for my knives. One of the best I ever had was an Old Timer with a carbon steel blade. That thing held such an edge that if it came to that the other guy would think I missed and be halfway down the street before things started falling off of him. Fortunately, things never did come to that. They still make Old Timers, but have gone to stainless now. Sigh. I also favor chinese chefs knives for the same reason. Good, old-school, high-carbon steel. They do stain, eventually, but I don't buy them to look pretty. Lee From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:55:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Incite
Some insights can be quite inciteful. From: relng...@aol.com relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:25:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Incite ...Definitely inciting. .. He meant insight and there is a big difference between incite and insight. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: worst of its over
Estimates I've seen on malpractice insurance as part of the healthcare dollar are slightly below two percent. Another interesting statistic is the amount of that slice of the pie actually paid out by the insurers - it is about 50 percent, much worse even than the health insurers that pocket 30 percent. From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 12:14:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: worst of its over I read somewhere that malpractice insurance is less than 2% of healthcare costs - but I don't have any idea how much defensive medicene is costing. I don't have exact figures, but somewhere I thought I heard that doctors spent something like half their income on malpractice insurance. If these figures are at all accurate, that tells you the size piece of the pie doctors are getting, donit? So who's getting the rest, eh? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blame
My employer seems to be playing the downsize game also. Its a daily (five days per week) local paper and the scuttlebutt is they are knocking it down to 3 or even 2 days per week. And yes, it's likely going to be the ones at the bottom of the food chain that get the axe. It all boils down to the same core concept, and it must be the ONLY thing they teach in the MBA program - If you can make the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper and charge the same for it you make more money. Of course, after a few years of making the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper, the business' reputation is in the toilet, but by that time the corporate CEO has typically gotten his bonuses and stock options and he's out of there, anyway. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The funny thing is, do those people want to do the work of the people they got rid of, no. You would think they would be smarter than that. LarryT wrote: You're right about who is to blame but invariably when layoff's occur they'll hit the secretary's and clerical staff 1st - people making $10-$20 /hr while leaving a bloated number of VP's making $200K + bonus' in place. Seen it happen numerous times - far too numerous - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blame ..You know they're serious when they start on upper management... Who the hell do you think got the company in trouble in the first place? Not the Indians, that's for certain. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blame
Landmark communications. They own about 50 papers, most of them in small towns. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You are in the newspaper business? I used to be. What company do you work for? Lee Einer wrote: My employer seems to be playing the downsize game also. Its a daily (five days per week) local paper and the scuttlebutt is they are knocking it down to 3 or even 2 days per week. And yes, it's likely going to be the ones at the bottom of the food chain that get the axe. It all boils down to the same core concept, and it must be the ONLY thing they teach in the MBA program - If you can make the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper and charge the same for it you make more money. Of course, after a few years of making the product skimpier, crappier, cheaper, the business' reputation is in the toilet, but by that time the corporate CEO has typically gotten his bonuses and stock options and he's out of there, anyway. Lee Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The funny thing is, do those people want to do the work of the people they got rid of, no. You would think they would be smarter than that. LarryT wrote: You're right about who is to blame but invariably when layoff's occur they'll hit the secretary's and clerical staff 1st - people making $10-$20 /hr while leaving a bloated number of VP's making $200K + bonus' in place. Seen it happen numerous times - far too numerous - Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blame ..You know they're serious when they start on upper management... Who the hell do you think got the company in trouble in the first place? Not the Indians, that's for certain. RLE ** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I think Mr. Moore is pretty credible on healthcare. I worked in the healthcare field for close to 20 years, ended up a whistleblower on fraud and corruption. Remember the insurance company hitman in Sicko who explained how insurance companies bumped people off their policies to avoid paying big-ticket claims? That was me. And I stand by what I said. Lee Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I see that many on this thread are arguing from ideology rather than data. Perhaps the most important fact is that under the U.S. system millions of people have no coverage at all. And an estimated 18,000 per year join the choir celestial due to lack of access to health care. And this does not even include deaths by denial inflicted by insurance companies. This all despite the fact that the U.S. pays twice as much per capita for healthcare as any other country. Twice as much, PER CAPITA, and millions of people have no coverage. So in millions of cases, we are paying twice as much for nothing at all. harry watkins wrote: The medical system we have allows for constant improvements that lead to longer life, I think statistics will attest to that. Putting it under government control will stifle the progress we expect. It seems that the USA is the place to go for the best medical care in the world and people from all over the world show up here when they can afford the best. Every time we open the gates, people come in, very few go out. I've been around for a long time, I've lived in large and small cities and towns. I have never heard or seen of one of these terrible situations where someone suffers because treatment was refused in areas where I've been, have you? Anyone on this list that knows of those things happening, I wish you would share the stories with us. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Socialism Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Plenty of use think that it is, in fact, not. At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not is questionable. Those are State-run, not Federal, and such benefits are limited to those who have been employed. Also, they run out, and there are often strings attached. All as it should be, IMHO. I don't believe in funding charity at the point of a gun, which is what any State-run program is. Our system is badly broken, but I haven't seen any other system that I believe is fundamentally better, all things considered. I think that what we just signed up for, a Health Savings Account in conjunction with a high deductible, is one of the better ideas I've heard about. What we _need_, is a health care system that encourages competition, and thus the application of everybody's brain, rather than some hidden somebody-else-pays-except-that-it's-really-me-if-you-dig-deep-enough kind of system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Jim Cathey wrote: At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. Jim, that is a popular misconception. People get wheeled to the curb with unset broken limbs every day in this country because they can't pay and have no insurance. Federal law requires hospitals to treat you if your condition is life-threatening and you are not stabilized - for example, it would be illegal to kick you to the curb while you were having a stroke or a heart attack. The guy sewing his leg up was hurting and needed medical care but was in no danger of bleeding out. He would not have gotten free treatment in a U.S. hospital. In fact, if you do not have insurance, you do not get free treatment, period. The hospital will still come after you for payment, send you to a collection agency, etc. If in the end they are unable to collect from any payment source, that is when it turns out to be free. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Doesn't surprise me. I lived in Detroit for more than a decade, and the folks over the bridge in Windsor, at least those I spoke to, were really pretty happy with their health insurance. I had a (formerly) Canadian co-worker who had lived under both their system and ours, and she was in retrospect quite appreciative of Canadian health care. What many people don't get is how incredibly lucrative U.S. healthcare is. It is the sixth ranking sector of our economy. A corollary of this is that there is immense money and power behind the preservation of the status quo. What many people also don't get is that the American healthcare system does very well at what it is intended to do - make money. No kidding, I've been there, it is a gravy train second only to petroleum and defense contracting. The problem is, when it is you or your loved one facing a grave illness, you really wish the primary purpose of the system was to save lives and make people better. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network hospital further away, it was too late. It was not that the family was indigent, or uninsured. The family was insured through Kaiser Permanente, an HMO. The HMO refused to allow the child to be treated at an out of network hospital, and thus caused her death. It's called death by denial, and its not at all uncommon in the U.S. We're not talking about the uninsured in this case, but people who have insurance and who get the carpet yanked from under them when they actually seek medical treatment. Lee Allan Streib wrote: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned away at hospital #1? Most cities, certainly ALL the large urban areas have county or public hospitals where people are treated regardless of their ability to pay. My brother works in such a hospital, most of the people that come throuh the ER there are treated with full knowledge that they will not pay a dime. Many of these people are also clearly making no effort to take care of themselves -- diabetics or people with hypertension who are 200lbs overweight, etc. There may be private or specialty hospitals where they limit the pro bono care to true emergencies. A kid with a fever would probably not be considered such, again you have to understand that Moore has an agenda with his film and he's definitely picking and choosing stories and presenting only one side in most cases. Allan -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia
Cyanoacrylate glue was originally developed for wound closure, and only later became a household fixit material. Lee E M wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright, and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched, there is often more scar tissue created. Funny the things that come up in conversation after a couple of drinks, eh? lol None of it makes any sense to me, but I did do an ok job once replacing some stitching on a leather steering wheel. hee hee. Oh, and the Christmas Turkey always comes out looking pretty good. ;-) Ed 300E, not a doctor, for which you should all be very grateful. 2008/12/13 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I pulled it shut without stitches and I thought I could fix it myself without scarring. (wrong, it's a scar, but not as ugly as the last one I had professionally stitched) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
