Andrew wrote:
Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
Yes.
The hardest or riskiest part is the lines/pipes. Like brake lines,
they require the nut to spin on the line so rust and corrosion can
interfere.
A couple bolts hold the valve body to the car.
Oh, and the link to the anti-sway bar
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of
the car under load), how likely is it that my valve is
defective?
I strongly suspect you have two separate issues. But if you want
the system to function as original, then the components have to
Here you go
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--R
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With coupon it is actually only $80
Coupons:
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On 4/24/14 6:25 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Here
And jackstands for $20
$100 (plus whatever usurious tax you have to pay there) and yer outfitted
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Here you go
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pressure the pump is capable of producing. If it does 130 bar
it's good to go.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 23:37:11 -0400
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Is there a way to test the pump for sufficient pressure?
Is this even
It's not bad, but you better have a good set of flare nut wrenches to do it.
Dan
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On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
Easy-peasy on my W201, a real bear
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
I doubt it. Flare nuts, etc. Corrosion. Aluminum body...
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So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under
load), how likely is it that my valve is defective?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
I doubt it. Flare nuts,
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
So with my symptoms (bouncy rear, inability to raise rear of the car under
load), how likely is it that my valve is defective?
It wasn't unable to raise under load until they adjusted the valve, right?
I suspect your valve is now out of adjustment. Might have also been
No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we
did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken
state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Andrew Strasfogel
Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure.
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 23, 2014 10:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we
did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from
How would that impact the bounciness?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure.
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 23, 2014 10:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, the tech
Meade Dillon wrote:
Sounds like your pump is not supplying sufficient pressure.
Huh?
It was pumped up, too highly pumped up. (with help from too strong springs, we
assume)
Techs forced it down by adjusting the control valve until the fender lip was
14ish inches above the hub center. Then and
No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and
then we
did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from its sunken
state until the two beefy techs got off of the tailgate.
Doesn't sound like it's able to make pressure. Leaking valve
internals? The system really
Best answer yet - thanks, Jim. Do you think incorrect springs play a role
too?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
No, the tech adjusted the valve to lower the car down to 14.5 and then we
did the test, with the engine running. It NEVER budged from
If the springs are too strong / too tall, and the pump cannot provide more
than base pressure (cannot lift the rear when loaded), then the springs are
carrying more weight than designed. Therefore the system is not balanced,
with a bias toward the springs carrying the weight. Andrew's load test
Meade Dillon wrote:
First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the
system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is now
suspect in my mind, and finally the valve can be adjusted and proper
operation validated.
Sounds like a plan.
Are you
Already made the offer, no response..
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 23, 2014 12:23 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Meade Dillon wrote:
First step is to ensure the correct springs are installed, I think the
system needs to be bled at the strut connections, the pump pressure is
now
Yeah, a very tempting offer. I would first need to confirm that the
springs are different from my other wagon, then acquire a floor jack + jack
stands. Hope to have the springs questions sorted out this week so next
week I could entertain doing something about it.
Meade - do you live in the DC
Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we
were going to buy together, or he was going to buy from me, but I just
paid for it and am keeping it whenever it finds its way back home. If
you use it, you can pay some rent, preferably beer but no elmerdedelgato
pepper
el mer del gato = Ocean of the cat?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we
were going to buy together, or he was going to buy from me, but I just paid
for it and am
On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:
I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order
to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not
hard, nor scary.
Front's a different story!
WHAT JIM SAID!!
But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase
one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 22/04/2014 8:25 PM, Craig wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey
Chuckietown, SC.
Wilt
- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sls troubles
Yeah, a very tempting offer. I would first need to confirm
BUT . . . you are the one who wants one.
And, they don't seem to know where it is right now.
On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase
one would be duplicative, or triplicative if you prefer.
On Wed, Apr 23,
Max has mine/[ours]
--R
On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
BUT . . . you are the one who wants one.
And, they don't seem to know where it is right now.
On 23/04/2014 1:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
But TWO list memebrs already own spring compressors. For me to purchase
one
On 4/23/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
el merDE del gato = Sh*t of the cat?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we
were going to buy together, or he was going to
You are just making this way too easy for Andrew.
Did you folks buy the fancy, expensive, MB endorsed tool?
On 23/04/2014 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Max has mine/[ours]
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On 4/23/14 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
BUT . . . you are the one who wants one.
And, they don't seem to know
It is one of the knockoffs but quite stout. I bought it from a guy
around here who had used it to put lower springs on a 560SEC. I used it
on the SD when i did the front suspension last summer. The only problem
with it is that when it bottoms out the threads did not engage the
bottom so I
On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:16:14 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Best answer yet - thanks, Jim. Do you think incorrect springs play a
role too?
Looking at his answer,
Valve has a base (resting) pressure setting. If that was broken,
_and_ you had too-strong springs the
I'm moving into the house next to you...
I'm in the D.C. area for a couple more days, don't know when I'll be back
up. Window of opportunity is closing...
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 23, 2014 1:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, a very tempting offer. I would
Actually we prefer Mount Plastic.
Lunch next week? Pick a day, I'll bring along the compressor.
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 23, 2014 2:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:
Max lives in Mt. UnPleasant, SC. he has my spring compressor, which we
were going to buy
Now there you go.
If Andrew believes he must use the tool because the manual told him to,
then he is also going to believe he must use the CORRECT TOOL!
I doubt a knockoff will be sufficient for his purpose.
On 23/04/2014 2:59 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
It is one of the knockoffs but quite stout.
Andrew has used the real thing. He is now spoiled:)
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On Apr 23, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
Now there you go.
If Andrew believes he must use the tool because the manual told him to, then
he is also going to believe he must use the CORRECT
Is there a way to test the pump for sufficient pressure? Is this even
plausible? It doesn't leak and the fluid circulates. So how is there a
problem?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
Now there you go.
If Andrew believes he must use the tool because
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Is there a way to test the pump for sufficient pressure? Is this even
plausible? It doesn't leak and the fluid circulates. So how is there a
problem?
If fluid is being returned to the filter under the reservoir cap, I would feel
safe in concluding that the pump is
You want me to swing by, help turn some wrenches? No spring compressor
required.
Wednesday night, be there about 7 or 8?
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 21, 2014 11:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any
I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement
valve. Need to order the parts first...
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
You want me to swing by, help turn some wrenches? No spring compressor
required.
Wednesday night, be
Spring compressor not needed for rears, only fronts.
You need a jack and some jack stands. Harbor Freight is your friend.
Fatty is your springie thingie friend.
--R
On 4/22/14 12:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement
valve. Need to order the parts first...
I don't think you need a compressor in the back, even with sedan springs.
Was Max possibly offering to help you yank the springs out of the good car and
Why not?
--
Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 00:34PM -0400 from Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net:
Spring compressor not needed for rears, only fronts.
You need a jack and some jack stands. Harbor Freight is your friend.
Fatty is your springie thingie friend.
--R
On 4/22/14 12:26 PM,
First I need to confirm diameter of springs in the other wagon.
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Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 01:03PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net:
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement
valve. Need to order the parts first...
I don't think
Service manual says otherwise.
--
Tuesday, 22 April 2014, 01:03PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net:
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I need a lift and a spring compressor, plus new springs and a replacement
valve. Need to order the parts first...
I don't think you need a compressor in the
No spring compressor is required, even though the book call for one. Did
this on my '85 wagon when I rebuilt the rear suspension. Loosen strut
connection at control arm. Bleed off pressure in SLS system. Lift the
back of the car until all pressure is off the springs, pull them out. Need
to be
Service manual assumes access to special tool plus they are not going to
suggest that the springs can be removed without it. Lawyers would have a
field day if things went wrong.
With care the rear springs can be removed without compression, using a
trolley jack.
In one episode of wheeler
Hendrik and Fay wrote:
Could not find English version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aucrdPTfo4
Is this it?
http://filenuke.com/e71cqif4l2we
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I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order
to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not
hard, nor scary.
Front's a different story!
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:
I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order
to check the pads, during a diffy transplant. It was not
hard, nor scary.
Front's a different story!
WHAT JIM SAID!!
In fact, you have to restrict
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:10:58 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
wrote:
I personally removed the rear springs on a 123 in order
to check the pads, during
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 22:02:25 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
Now that I cannot say; I've only worked on Sedans.
Craig
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
That's good to know. Is it easy to r/r the sls valve as well?
Easy-peasy on my W201, a real bear to get at on my S210.
Don't know about your S123.
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Yes. Dead easy. Just be careful about corrosion: aluminium and salt are a bad
combo, so you may find that you have stripped threads, esp the bleed valve.
Might want to give everything a good soaking with Liquid Wrench in case it
helps.
Also, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you remove the control
So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85?
The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the load, so
essentially if your spring is weak more load is carried on the struts.
Hendrik
who knows very little about SLS systems
On 21/04/14 07:57, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
So I loaded an
No. The 83 works fine. I am debating the cost of swapping springs vs.
swapping the rear valve with a used one.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:
So can't you swap springs from the 83 to 85?
The SLS relies on both the springs and struts to share the
Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands
(Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and install in bad
car to see if the problem is solved.
Easy-peasy to swap them, loosen the strut mounts at the bottom, jack up the
rear at the differential and the
Are flying up to DC. for the weekend with your spring compressor by any
chance?
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
Great idea! If Andrew owns a floor jack and a couple sets of axle stands
(Four total), he can take the springs from the good car and
I think the pump rebuild kits aren't too expensive, but more expensive than
a fluid change. After you replace the spheres, change the fluid and watch
the color. If engine oil it's contaminating, would the fluid level
change? Would the engine oil level change?
Easiest way to change the fluid is
i may also have oil intrusion
I don't see how, there's essentially no contact
between the systems. I had ours apart a bunch.
The only engine oil in the area is a little bit
of splash at the drive end of the pump. And there's
an oil seal there. Most of the pump is under high
pressure. For it
So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce
test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and it was way
harder to push down in the rear - far stiffer - and there was no residual
bouncing after I did my pushing down on the rear deck.. Presumably it has
the
Springs first, you have good evidence they are wrong springs...
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 20, 2014 6:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
So I loaded an 80 sack of Sakrete into the rear deck and did the bounce
test. Bouncy as usual. :( Then I checked the 83 wagon and
It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very
dark.
Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of
tubing you can put bopper the return line once you have freed it from the cap.
Put the other end in a large, clear container. Start
That's *hydroscopic*
Darned autocorrect.
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very
dark.
Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of
hydrous optic
Hygroscopic?
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It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old
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hydrous optic
Hygroscopic?
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Makes the eyes water?
Gerry
It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid. Old oil can appear to be black or very
dark.
Get a couple of liters of new stuff and a new filter. Find a long piece of
tubing you can put bopper the return line once you have freed it from the cap.
Put the other end in a
...chuckles...
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Makes the eyes water?
Gerry
It's hydrous optic, like brake fluid.
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Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust
the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral
position if that's where you want it
I'd still like to know what makes Andy's wagon go boing, boing, boing.
Would having too
On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 23:28:54 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
More to the point of passing safety inspection, does it get better or
worse with ten bags of softener salt in the back?
Now that would be a simple fix for the inspection. It could be simulated
without buying the salt by
That I can try on my own - great idea.
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Saturday, 19 April 2014, 11:28PM -0400 from Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net:
Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can adjust
the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the neutral
position if
OK, I SAY that no matter what the height of your springs you can
adjust the rod to the control valve to put the valve lever to the
neutral position if that's where you want it
Yes, but that doesn't center the travel of the suspension so
that it doesn't bounce off the upper end's stops.
-- Jim
If it rides hard (feels like the axle is welded to the frame) that is
caused by one or both failed spheres. The bad news is that failed spheres
will damage the SLS valve if you drive it long with bad spheres.
Max
I may very well have a problem with the valve too BUT the fact that
the
What Scott said.
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
On Apr 18, 2014 2:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:
If it rides hard (feels like the axle is welded to the frame) that is
caused by one or both failed spheres. The bad news is that failed spheres
will damage the SLS valve if you
Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
So what kind of damage could be done to the pump?
it's a pretty simple device pounding around of the pistons or
something
the lever is moved all the time when you drive around and hit bumps, no
matter how heavy or light you use it, i would think
lack of the
On 08/08/2011 3:44 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
Folks
either my sls pump or the hi pressure sls line out of the pump is
leaking on my 300td
do any of you know the specs for correct rear seal and o ring to
reseal an sls pump?
I have a couple of probably good ones (besides the one on the
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
One should think the hose could be attended to by a shop that makes or
repairs hydraulic hoses for industrial equipment.
That's what I did, just took the old one in and they made a new flex
section with the old fittings
I have read that the hose ends can easily be removed and the hose replaced, I'd
recommend you visit your local hydraulic shop for the hose. I think the
original hose has inserts to give it shape, don't throw those away with the old
hose.
Max
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Rick Hawkins Java wrote:
do any of you know the specs for correct rear seal and o ring
to reseal an sls pump?
does anyone have the specs for the HOSE to use to rebuild the
hi pressure line from sls pump to passenger fender
they are rebuildable with correct hose
On Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:22:33 -0400 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
wrote:
I have read that the hose ends can easily be removed and the hose
replaced, I'd recommend you visit your local hydraulic shop for the
hose.
Take the entire original hose to your local hydraulic shop before you do
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