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I find it funny that these are called Dominion.  It so happens my former company was Dominion (not related that I know of) and we were notorious for launching software that did not work and took years to finally get it to working, by which time our competitors had already come out with the

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Well stated, Scott, and I would concur. -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > There are about 3000 counties in the US which generally conduct independent > elections under elected supervisor of election. The main alleged problems > are only 6-10

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Some related information: https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-future-of-democracy/can-our-ballots-be-both-secret-and-secure I am still looking for the article about the lady in charge of elections in Texas who spearheaded development of machines using this technology, which was eventually taken

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There are about 3000 counties in the US which generally conduct independent elections under elected supervisor of election. The main alleged problems are only 6-10 counties. Excellent election integrity in the vast number of counties tells us nothing about those problem counties. As far as

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The report on the Antrim Countyis damning IMO!  Yet with all the evidence of manipulation, there's no intention to invalidate the votes in that county?  I assume they just plan to count the votes as they were recorded and move on? Seems like a terrible way to run an election.  We'd be better

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I am not at liberty to discuss operational details about our voting system. You can read all you want at: https://www.votehillsborough.org/ELECTIONS/Election-Security What I will say is that most election or vote tabulating systems

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Are you saying your experience has been with Dominion Systems voting machines? LarryT On 12/17/2020 8:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: It’s not. I’ve worked the elections both here and in two other states I’ve lived in for over 40 years. I’ve worked elections since I was 16 years old

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Yes Andrew, and we spent about $40 million and a couple of years in an exhaustive investigation. Why can't we complete a similar investigation now? I think we as a nation must investigate this. In a similar manner in Bush v. Gore, Gore got his day in court including hearings at the SCOTUS. Why

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2016 allegations focused on Russian hacking of the DNC email accounts, and their propagation, and actions by Comey to highlight alleged irregularities just before the election. I don't recall serious charges of electoral fraud due to voting issues. On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:50 AM Dan Penoff via

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Pretty much, although the information that Rick just posted about the county in MI that was audited points out the discrepancies that exist when there aren’t proper controls in place and the poll workers or elections officials aren’t properly trained. -D > On Dec 17, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb

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I skimmed it. Lots and lots of serious violations of the 90 day Safe Harbor Act that prescribes no changes to voting equipment prior to the election. It also appears that the employees working with the system were not well trained and proper audit controls were not in place. In summary, it

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Here is a forensics report on the voting machines for one county in Michigan. I will read it later this evening. https://www.scribd.com/document/488105156/Antrim-County-Forensics-Report-on-Dominion-Voting-System#fullscreen_embed Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: December 17, 2020 8:07 AM

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So basically it sounds like the election was not “hacked” last time and it wasn’t the time either. It is simply the media spun it and hyped it up as being hacked before, but this time is spinning it that there is no way it could be hacked. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2020, at 5:53 AM,

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Yep seems like that is the best plan to me. The ballots stay locked inside the machine till they are transported to the central election office where they remain locked up. The machine has some sort of specialized USB stick that is removed from the machine and uploaded at the central office.

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It’s not. I’ve worked the elections both here and in two other states I’ve lived in for over 40 years. I’ve worked elections since I was 16 years old and the days of the voting machines with the curtains and little levers. My father was a precinct committeeman and working elections was expected

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On 2020-12-17 06:52, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The actual voting systems, which vary from state to state, are always “air gapped” in the sense that voting machines are never, ever connected to the Internet or any network of any kind. That's the only way to do it, but it's the opposite

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Dan, I'm afraid your experience is limited. Here in SC, the voting machines were connected to the internet. Drove me nuts. I'm quite sure the same could be true in other states, that certainly has been reported in the press, and the "glitches" that always seemed to switch votes in one direction

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Paperless machines were all the rage a few years ago, we had them here. Never trusted them as there is absolutely no way to audit them. Remember that the problematic Votamatic system that caused all the uproar in 2000 in Florida was a vast improvement over the ancient voting machines, also

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Working with the SOE (supervisor of elections) here I can calm your fears. As previously stated, a nation state, most likely the Russians, did breach several state’s voter registration databases aound the 2016 election. While problematic for a lot of reasons, doing so had no effect on the

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My current NC county as well as my previous FL county used this system. After marking a paper ballot the voter feeds it into a reader which indicates that the ballot was accepted (read OK) or rejected (spit back out). Accepted ballots are held within the machine. This is the best system I

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Here in our state you get a paper ballot that you color in the squares to vote. Then feed it into a machine that scans it and counts it. Even though a machine counts it, you still have a physical paper that can be hand counted later. Are other states totally electronic? Sent from my iPhone >

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>just looking for an actual explanation You'll not get one, here or anywhere else. Solarwind was so secure it was impenetrable. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

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Last time around the Ruskies got access to some state voter databases and there was some discussion about being able to hack into some voting machines (Diebold ones I think) that could be hooked up and programmed remotely. There was no definite evidence that any votes were interfered with, but

[MBZ] This is not political, but a serious question, if you can’t handle it then hit delete

During the last election cycle the Russians supposedly hacked it. This election cycle it has been said it is impossible to hack the election. Why is that? What changed? I am not looking for political jabs, just looking for an actual explanation. Sent from my iPhone