Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
Or the 107 - looks like a 10 minute job. On 8/12/05, Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just another reason to rejoice in 124World. Even looks like I could pull the thing (5 min?) keep drivin' w/o muvh of a care while I wait for the replacement. Lookin' at my 123 the epc, I'm inclined to agree with the naysayers about doing this w/ a 123 or 126. joe -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] 126 front stabilizer broken--update
In seeing what it takes to replace the entire bar I would be inclined to try and weld it. I would make sure that you get someone who can really weld. I would check with companies that do it all the time. Putting reinforcing tubing over the weld might give you some extra satisfaction. Of course it must be exactly the right length and parallel to the old bar but a good welder should be able to accomplish that. Those bars must be quite stout and made of good steel and the weld will be stronger than the bar. I was looking at replacing the firewall bushings and have hesitated just for the reason of access. Dennis Perkins 84 300SD
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
Just another reason to rejoice in 124World. Even looks like I could pull the thing (5 min?) keep drivin' w/o muvh of a care while I wait for the replacement. Lookin' at my 123 the epc, I'm inclined to agree with the naysayers about doing this w/ a 123 or 126. joe On 8/12/05, Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, There's a big difference between replacing a sway bar on a 123 and a 126. Let's not scare the 123 owners by throwing out 12.5 hour labor numbers for 126's. The 123 sway bar can be replaced in well under 3 hours. Easy work. I'd buy all the cheap 123's I could find with broken sway bars!
Re: [MBZ] 126 front stabilizer broken--update
Dennis Perkins wrote: In seeing what it takes to replace the entire bar I would be inclined to try and weld it. I would make sure that you get someone who can really weld. I would check with companies that do it all the time. Putting reinforcing tubing over the weld might give you some extra satisfaction. Of course it must be exactly the right length and parallel to the old bar but a good welder should be able to accomplish that. Those bars must be quite stout and made of good steel and the weld will be stronger than the bar. I was looking at replacing the firewall bushings and have hesitated just for the reason of access. Dennis Perkins 84 300SD I think the chance of success is about the same as welding a broken coil or leaf spring! The anti-sway bar has a LOT of force applied to it as the car moves over uneven surfaces. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] 126 front stabilizer broken--update
Maybe have the weld X-ray ed? well at least a magnetic crack check. On 8/12/05, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Perkins wrote: In seeing what it takes to replace the entire bar I would be inclined to try and weld it. I would make sure that you get someone who can really weld. I would check with companies that do it all the time. Putting reinforcing tubing over the weld might give you some extra satisfaction. Of course it must be exactly the right length and parallel to the old bar but a good welder should be able to accomplish that. Those bars must be quite stout and made of good steel and the weld will be stronger than the bar. I was looking at replacing the firewall bushings and have hesitated just for the reason of access. Dennis Perkins 84 300SD I think the chance of success is about the same as welding a broken coil or leaf spring! The anti-sway bar has a LOT of force applied to it as the car moves over uneven surfaces. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com http://www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com http://www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Don Teresa Merriman Market Place Mexico Vacation Rentals Property Administration www.marketplacemexico.com http://www.marketplacemexico.com
[MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
Thanks, folks, for all the wisdom, and especially for the drawings showing the part. The indy did not call me back because he really doesn't want to do the job, I don't think. I went down to see him today, and he had not yet priced the part, tho he did at least know it was one piece and that the whole firewall had to be torn down. I told him my info said it was a 12.5 hr job by the book, but he said yeah, but on a 23 year old car, you never know what the condition of the parts you have to remove is, and they could complicate and add time to the repair. Fair enough. I said, look, it's only missing the last 3/4 inch of bar on the left side, can't you weld a new end on it? He said he'd try, but 1) didn't know whether it was possible and 2) wouldn't guarantee the job even if it was possible. I said fair enough, and plan to take the car into him tomorrow. Before I do: any thoughts on whether this fix is possible/advisable? I'm thinking this is easily a $1500 job if done by the book, and I'd like to avoid spending that much on a car that probably needs a new diff, too. Tho I may as the rest of the car is really quite nice indeed. TIA. -- Dan Weeks Freelance Writing and Photography 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
There are welders, and there are welders. Make sure you find a GOOD welder (don't ask me how), and I think you might be happy with the result. If the welder isn't confident about his work, look elsewhere. I said, look, it's only missing the last 3/4 inch of bar on the left side, can't you weld a new end on it? He said he'd try, but 1) didn't know whether it was possible and 2) wouldn't guarantee the job even if it was possible. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said, look, it's only missing the last 3/4 inch of bar on the left side, can't you weld a new end on it? He said he'd try, but 1) didn't know whether it was possible and 2) wouldn't guarantee the job even if it was possible. I don't think that bar can be effectively welded, given how it's stressed when in use. I know you facing a big job, but by the same token to pay the going price for all that re re and then have it fail in a few months isn't cost-effective either. I would suggest you call a specialist recycler and get a price on a used bar. mac
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
Let me put it to you this way, cars are parted out for having this problem. Dan Weeks wrote: Thanks, folks, for all the wisdom, and especially for the drawings showing the part. The indy did not call me back because he really doesn't want to do the job, I don't think. I went down to see him today, and he had not yet priced the part, tho he did at least know it was one piece and that the whole firewall had to be torn down. I told him my info said it was a 12.5 hr job by the book, but he said yeah, but on a 23 year old car, you never know what the condition of the parts you have to remove is, and they could complicate and add time to the repair. Fair enough. I said, look, it's only missing the last 3/4 inch of bar on the left side, can't you weld a new end on it? He said he'd try, but 1) didn't know whether it was possible and 2) wouldn't guarantee the job even if it was possible. I said fair enough, and plan to take the car into him tomorrow. Before I do: any thoughts on whether this fix is possible/advisable? I'm thinking this is easily a $1500 job if done by the book, and I'd like to avoid spending that much on a car that probably needs a new diff, too. Tho I may as the rest of the car is really quite nice indeed. TIA. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
This recycler wont even pull that part, BIG BIG job even on a parts car, not worth the work it would take to get the thing out for what you could sell it for. Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I said, look, it's only missing the last 3/4 inch of bar on the left side, can't you weld a new end on it? He said he'd try, but 1) didn't know whether it was possible and 2) wouldn't guarantee the job even if it was possible. I don't think that bar can be effectively welded, given how it's stressed when in use. I know you facing a big job, but by the same token to pay the going price for all that re re and then have it fail in a few months isn't cost-effective either. I would suggest you call a specialist recycler and get a price on a used bar. mac ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
Well, okay, I was trying to be a bit upbeat but Kaleb just relieved me of that problem. Unfortunately, he is quite correct. Normally this ends the life of the car. My yard has two 126s parked up front for sale now that are otherwise more or less clean cars, but no one will touch them. Actually around here even if the mount area breaks (and not the bar itself) it is usually due to rot in the firewall and the general wisdom is that it's not cost-effective to repair it. I am afraid that your mechanic is trying to steer you to that conclusion by what he has been saying. It's a no-win situation for him, if he charges you for all that work and it only lasts a short time he knows he will look bad. Sorry, mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it to you this way, cars are parted out for having this problem. Dan Weeks wrote: Thanks, folks, for all the wisdom, and especially for the drawings showing the part. The indy did not call me back because he really doesn't want to do the job, I don't think. I went down to see him today, and he had not yet priced the part, tho he did at least know it was one piece and that the whole firewall had to be torn down. I told him my info said it was a 12.5 hr job by the book, but he said yeah, but on a 23 year old car, you never know what the condition of the parts you have to remove is, and they could complicate and add time to the repair.
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
I too have an otherwise decent 123 in my yard with a bad sway bar end. I got it for free for that very reason. My plan was to cut the last four inches from a good bar and trim back the bad bar similarly. I was going to bevel grind both pieces for better weld penitration. I was also going to find a piece of steel pipe that fits snuggly over the bar and splint over the weld and weld that in place too. I think this plan would work and yeild a vehicle worthy of driving around town for myself, but I couldn't put one of the kids or the wife in it. If I sold the car, even disclosing the repair wouldn't limit my liability. I think I'll call the pick and pull to come get it. Sorry Kleb I don't think you'll want to drag it home from Florida. Bob DuPuy Parrish, FL
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
It's in Des Moines, Iowa. Interior damn near perfect. Runs perfect. body perfect, except for a bit of rust just starting to show around the jack points. I was planning to drive it forever, at least. Not sure what to do now. so where is this car located? It might be time to call in the klebster. Steve MacSween wrote: Well, okay, I was trying to be a bit upbeat but Kaleb just relieved me of that problem. Unfortunately, he is quite correct. Normally this ends the life of the car. My yard has two 126s parked up front for sale now that are otherwise more or less clean cars, but no one will touch them. Actually around here even if the mount area breaks (and not the bar itself) it is usually due to rot in the firewall and the general wisdom is that it's not cost-effective to repair it. I am afraid that your mechanic is trying to steer you to that conclusion by what he has been saying. It's a no-win situation for him, if he charges you for all that work and it only lasts a short time he knows he will look bad. Sorry, mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me put it to you this way, cars are parted out for having this problem. Dan Weeks wrote: Thanks, folks, for all the wisdom, and especially for the drawings showing the part. The indy did not call me back because he really doesn't want to do the job, I don't think. I went down to see him today, and he had not yet priced the part, tho he did at least know it was one piece and that the whole firewall had to be torn down. I told him my info said it was a 12.5 hr job by the book, but he said yeah, but on a 23 year old car, you never know what the condition of the parts you have to remove is, and they could complicate and add time to the repair. ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts -- Dan Weeks Freelance Writing and Photography 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
Yeah. My brother the heavy diesel truck wrench says welding spring steel ain't gonna work, as it takes the temper out of it. Also, he was concerned about rust around other mounts being part of the problem. This indy is very good. I'll talk to him about all these things, and what he thinks is realistic. Damn. Dan I really don't see how in-situ works to weld the bar properly, it will have to be taken out. Well frankly I don't see welding the bar working in the first place, actually. The bar did not snap out of the clear blue, there is most likely another problem here. I am afraid the labour will be very high either way. Like I more or less said in the other post, when I start to hear a wrench I trust being that unenthusiastic about a tricky repair, unless I can find hard and fast evidence for him of someone else having done it in the same situation, I think about it very, very hard before I tell him to go ahead. Mac -- Dan Weeks Freelance Writing and Photography 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 126 FRONT STABILIZER BROKEN--UPDATE
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005, Dan Weeks wrote: It's in Des Moines, Iowa. Interior damn near perfect. Runs perfect. body perfect, except for a bit of rust just starting to show around the jack points. I was planning to drive it forever, at least. Not sure what to do now. Buy a replacement car and while driving it around you can take 2 months to fix your current car working a couple of hours every weekend or so. At the end of the day you have two very nice cars... :) Since I've loaned my spare car out to my brother I have been wanting to get a spare beater car just so I don't have to bum rides from everyone when my daily driver goes down for repair. It really makes working on cars a chore when you have a limited timeframe to complete the repairs... Best of luck with the car and hope you figure out a solution you can be happy with! John '79 300SD
