Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-05 Thread Bill R
exercise, yes. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:13 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act > Does something that I could do nothing about > au

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-05 Thread Jim Cathey
> Does something that I could do nothing about > automatically make me unfit to vote? Not at all. But in that proposed system, it would. You, sir, would have been caught in the cracks. > is a soldier who did > frontline work in Korea or 'Nam automatically more qualified to make > international o

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-05 Thread Bill R
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 10:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act > I've never served in the military, so I should be > excluded from the benefits of citizenship? In that proposed society, yes. So far as I recall, the _only_ di

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Jim Cathey
> I've never served in the military, so I should be > excluded from the benefits of citizenship? In that proposed society, yes. So far as I recall, the _only_ difference was the voting franchise. Those willing to volunteer to be put in a position where they could be placed in harm's way, should

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Bill R
inal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act Ah, but there is serving in the military and then there is serving in the military

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote: > > His main "gaffe" was a foreign policy blunder - the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and > that certainly cost him dearly politically. That was more than a gaffe IMO. On the one hand, he resolved the Cuban missile crisis without starting a war, on the other hand, the botched invas

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas
I think the person in the White House who best fits that description was a young woman, or perhaps the adulterer with whom she was communicating... --R Mitch Haley wrote: > I wonder, was JFK (Kennedy, not Kerry) the king of oral communications ___ http://www.

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
His main "gaffe" was a foreign policy blunder - the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and that certainly cost him dearly politically. His actions spoke louder than his words anyway. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > andrew strasfogel wrote: > > > > You make him sound jus

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote: > > You make him sound just like Reagan! ...or any other actor. I wonder, was JFK (Kennedy, not Kerry) the king of oral communications, or did he just have the fortune of living in an era when the media didn't take pleasure in pointing out his gaffes? Mitch. _

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
You make him sound just like Reagan! On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LarryT wrote: > > People are being suckered in by charm and being articulate. > > I don't even get the idea he's all that articulate when he isn't delivering > a rehearsed speech. > > ___

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote: > People are being suckered in by charm and being articulate. I don't even get the idea he's all that articulate when he isn't delivering a rehearsed speech. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbpart

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread LarryT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act > Well, he is about as far left to hitler as you are going to get in this > country. He is by far the farthest thing left that has been

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread R A Bennell
places where the locals do their best to dispatch you. Not quite equal is it? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Royce Engler Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:01 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Sec

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread andrew strasfogel
I don't feel guilty, just fortunate. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John said > > ...There are folks who have earned the right to that wealth (ie, the folks > who defend our country), but the rest of us (myself included) are just > lucky. > > - Ther

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Royce Engler
John said ...There are folks who have earned the right to that wealth (ie, the folks who defend our country), but the rest of us (myself included) are just lucky. - Therein lies the problem. Not content to just be thankful to have been born here, the Liberals feel guilty because they were b

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Rolf
Stalin killed to keep his power. Hitler killed people to gain power. Socialism and communism are two different things, I don't think I would classify the Soviets as socialists. A fascist is a fascist is a fascist, they are all pages from the same book in my opinion. My biggest complaint about the

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > Well, he is about as far left to hitler as you are going to get in this > country. He is by far the farthest thing left that has been a top > candidate. I'd put him left of Dodd, probably left of Edwards, but both O'bama and Klingon have said some very Marxist thing

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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[MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Glenn Brown
1. It's surprising that this article was published in the WSJ, as one would expect something like this in the NYT albeit with actual facts. 2. It's also somewhat surprising that a Republican (Mr. Inhofe) would raise objections of this nature considering where they've placed their loyalties in recen

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread Bill R
world folks to have another child they will do so as a means of survival. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread LarryT
" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act > And while we on the topic of "gummint", here's what is working its > way thru the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (Sen. Biden is Chairman) > > S. 2433: Global Pove

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread LarryT
rom: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act > The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work > necessary to solve it, whi

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-04 Thread LarryT
l.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:07:57 -0400 "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, Yes, and that is a whole bunch of half-cocked, scientifically ignorant publicizers trying to get rich off the anxieties of others, > and 2) do the hard work neces

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread John Robbins
Chuck Landenberger wrote: > elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the > Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of > people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per > day. For more info Google S. 2433... > > In my opi

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Bill R
al Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act No, that was not an oops. It was just a less extreme over-reaction about normal climate

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Loren Faeth
The UN DOES have a stellar record of getting the "stuff" to those who need it. You just have the "wrong" point of view. The UN point of view is that the people who need the "Stuff" are the UN Secretary General and his relatives. The UN believes in trickle Down Economics too. Once the Secre

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Loren Faeth
No, that was not an oops. It was just a less extreme over-reaction about normal climate variation than the current version. IF those who believe in global warming or global freezing are Darwinians, then they are acting and thinking counter to their own manifesto. We are supposed to be able t

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley
I like what a local resident had to say about Senator Osama: >From Rock LaBerge of Clarksville: "I, too, have been struck by the similarity between Mr. Obama's campaign, and that of President Kennedy. "Both candidates make large promises of a very general nature. Both generate much enthusiasm fr

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Chuck Landenberger
And while we on the topic of "gummint", here's what is working its way thru the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (Sen. Biden is Chairman) S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (introduced by Sen. Barack Obama in December, 2007) A bill to require the President to develop and implement a compr

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
are you joking? andrew strasfogel wrote: > It's about time they did something useful. > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our >> Congresscritters are going to do for us. >> >> --R >> >> >> http:

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Gary Hurst
nearly all of the terrorism we will ever encounter in our lives will be at the hands of our own government. and the more you let them get away with, the worse it will get. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > andrew strasfogel wrote: > > > > The real anwer is

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Exactly, but the ones wanting to be like us want us to reduce our consumption/standards/lifestyles/whatever so they will have more to get our consumption/standards/lifestyles/whatever. They have been sacrificing (in a manner of speaking I suppose, if "not having" is the same as "giving up" but

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Bill R
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily inc

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote: > > The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work > necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some > sacrifice for everyone on the planet. The trick there is to actually have a solution, not just subject the populace to pain

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread andrew strasfogel
The real anwer is to 1) agree we have a problem, and 2) do the hard work necessary to solve it, which must necessarily include at least some sacrifice for everyone on the planet. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would that were true. The problem I see wi

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Would that were true. The problem I see with this is that it is yet another thing created by lobbyists and those looking to raise taxes with no clear point to it other than to screw the taxpayers, again, in a new way under the scare of global warming or climate change or whatever is the curren

Re: [MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread andrew strasfogel
It's about time they did something useful. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our > Congresscritters are going to do for us. > > --R > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opin

[MBZ] America's Climate Security Act

2008-06-03 Thread Rich Thomas
Y'all might want to edumacate yourselves on this thing our Congresscritters are going to do for us. --R http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121244985951839615.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponso