Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
it's not for everyone. On Jan 4, 2008 10:28 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried banned for a bit but got tired of pudgy white guys using the > "n"-word for punctuation. I have better things to waste my time on... > > -Dave Walton > > > On Jan 4, 2008 10:21 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, this is so much tamer than the discussion we had on the topic > > over on banned. > > > > Yawn > > > > clay > > > > > > On 4 Jan 2008, at 11:14, Mitch Haley wrote: > > > > > dave walton wrote: > > >> Uninsured people that show up at the ER > > >> hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for > > >> it. > > > > > > Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER > > > visit > > > that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can > > > do is negotiate a 10% cash discount at my local hospital. Then I only > > > pay $900 for a $300 visit. > > > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
> > From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a > > renaissance where healthful food tastes great - period. We > > can eat better AND live longer. I > > grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make > > summer worth waiting for. > Where do you get the seeds for these vegetables? > > My understanding, very limited, was that the conglomerate > farms were putting the seed business out of business so that > they could monopolize the market with genetically altered non > seeding plants > > Dave H... Just google for "heirloom open-pollinated vegetable seed". Open-pollinated means that the seed will grow the same plant as the one the seeds came from. It is the "opposite" of hybrid. Heirloom plants are those open-pollinated variates that have existed for at least a few decades. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heirloom_plant -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 10:28:41PM -0500, dave walton wrote: > I tried banned for a bit but got tired of pudgy white guys using the > "n"-word for punctuation. I have better things to waste my time on... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
I tried banned for a bit but got tired of pudgy white guys using the "n"-word for punctuation. I have better things to waste my time on... -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 10:21 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, this is so much tamer than the discussion we had on the topic > over on banned. > > Yawn > > clay > > > On 4 Jan 2008, at 11:14, Mitch Haley wrote: > > > dave walton wrote: > >> Uninsured people that show up at the ER > >> hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for > >> it. > > > > Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER > > visit > > that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can > > do is negotiate a 10% cash discount at my local hospital. Then I only > > pay $900 for a $300 visit. > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Oh, this is so much tamer than the discussion we had on the topic over on banned. Yawn clay On 4 Jan 2008, at 11:14, Mitch Haley wrote: > dave walton wrote: >> Uninsured people that show up at the ER >> hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for >> it. > > Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER > visit > that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can > do is negotiate a 10% cash discount at my local hospital. Then I only > pay $900 for a $300 visit. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >i don't need any bypass surgery. that is for people who eat margarine. i >eat pure and healthy animal fats in large quantities, so no need for any >bypass. ... Gerry wrote: Surprisingly, Gary may be right. It depends on how many cholesterol receptors he has on the cells that comprise his body. It would be very simple for Gary to find out; get a fasting cholesterol panel test. (Not cheap, by the way.) Many, many generations ago people who lived along the coast ate fish which have "good" fat and usually not much of it. People who lived inland ate animals and drank their milk; consuming large quantities of "bad" fat. Gradually, as the inland people with few cholesterol receptors died off, an inland generation was formed that had many cholesterol receptors. As civilization, travel, and commerce grew; coast dwellers began eating animal fat, got clogged arteries, and died. You know the rest of the story. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
One neglected source of lung cancer is the rather large amounts of plutonium that have burned up in the earth's atmosphere from thermo-electric satellite power plants. The USSR was the chief offender, but the US and Britain (to my certain knowledge) have had a few fall too. We are talking several hundred pounds of plutonium metal in total -- it burns to make a nicely breathable oxide powder. These particles enter deep into the lungs, and then promptly kill off the cilia that would normally expel them back up the bronchia. That several hundred (up to a thousand pounds, IIRC) is more than enough to kill every single person on the planet if evenly distributed. Healthy living won't help much. I suspect this, along with whatever leaked out from underground testing in the 50's in Nevada, account for a lot of the non-smoker's lung cancer. I believe the cancers are similar. Lots of nasties lurking about that have been broadly deposited since WWII, including the tidal wave of floating plastic trash in the Pacific. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
My 64 year old brother passed away earlier this year from esophageal cancer - not a pleasant thing. Not that anything is - but some are more peaceful than others. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > My paternal grandfather smoked two packs of Marlboros > a day along with consuming at least 2-3 shots of > Canadian Club. While infirm in his last few years, he > lived to 98. > > My Dad died at 54, almost 25 years ago, the victim of > esophageal cancer. He was a pipe smoker. Go figure. > The 5 year survival rate for esophageal cancer is > still pretty lousy today, too. > > Dan (non-smoker) > > > > --- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Yes, and there are some (probably a handful of) >> lifetime smokers who never >> get cancer or heart disease, are incredibly healthy, >> and if they do die it's >> in their sleep on account of old age rather than >> disease. Chalk it up to >> genetics, like those athletes who when praised demur >> by attributing their >> prowess to "God-given talent". What they really >> mean is that they were >> blessed with awesome genes. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 > 12:05 PM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
And, unfortunately the reverse is also true - people who eat healthy, never smoke, exercize regularily, yada, yada - and get *lung* cancer and die quickly! As you said, the genes - my Mom lived to 94 ;-) and my dad til 76 so hopefully I got more of my Moms genes for long life. BTW, what cntrols which parent passes down the genes? I'm sure it has something to do with dominant and regressive genes but not sure how it works. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > Yes, and there are some (probably a handful of) lifetime smokers who never > get cancer or heart disease, are incredibly healthy, and if they do die > it's > in their sleep on account of old age rather than disease. Chalk it up to > genetics, like those athletes who when praised demur by attributing their > prowess to "God-given talent". What they really mean is that they were > blessed with awesome genes. > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Remember Jim Fixx died of a heart attack >> >> ;) >> >> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:08:16 -0600 >> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Dave, >> >> Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do >> you >> ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your >> hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk >> activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go >> out >> & ride or run on public streets, correct? >> >> My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & >> cost are >> spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass >> surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over >> by a >> car & the cost is shared by all. >> >> Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis >> & >> family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk >> group >> for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart >> disease >> or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> - >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try >> it >> now. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 > 12:05 PM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Two things really P me off concerning auto insurance. Do they really think I can drive more than one vehicle at a time? They must because the only difference between the first, second, third and so on vehicle is maybe $20.00 How dare they run a credit history to determine if I am worthy of insurance or not! Dave H... -- From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:39 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle >> analysis & family history and you might find yourself in an >> expensive, high risk group for no other reason than a few distant >> relatives died from of heart disease or cancer! How fair would this >> scenario be to you? > > Probably more than you might think, almost everyone has a relative > somewhere close in the family tree who has had cancer or heart > disease, it might not have that much predictive significance. > > The Auto insurance industry seems to have figured this out, your rate > is partly based on broad risk factors and partly based on your > individual behavior (past accidents, speeding tickets, etc.) > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:37 AM, R A Bennell wrote: > > The one really good thing about McD is that it is pretty consistent. Also they have aggressive food safety rules which is not to be sneezed at, chances of dropping in at a random one and getting food poisoning is low. Sadly pick your random restaurant in any town america and chances might be good, let alone issues like hepatitis exposure. in some countries (ie russia) they own the process from the field to the frier. Similar safety also at Red Lobster, met the food safety officer on a plane flight one day, her job was to eat out alot, then take samples, temp measurements and review all the records at each restaurant in the chain. John 1983 300TDt 386k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 216k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 204k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
i only quit smoking in earnest because it gave chest pains and i took that as an indicator that it was time to give it up. otherwise, i'd smoke to this day. On Jan 4, 2008 4:01 PM, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My paternal grandfather smoked two packs of Marlboros > a day along with consuming at least 2-3 shots of > Canadian Club. While infirm in his last few years, he > lived to 98. > > My Dad died at 54, almost 25 years ago, the victim of > esophageal cancer. He was a pipe smoker. Go figure. > The 5 year survival rate for esophageal cancer is > still pretty lousy today, too. > > Dan (non-smoker) > > > > --- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, and there are some (probably a handful of) > > lifetime smokers who never > > get cancer or heart disease, are incredibly healthy, > > and if they do die it's > > in their sleep on account of old age rather than > > disease. Chalk it up to > > genetics, like those athletes who when praised demur > > by attributing their > > prowess to "God-given talent". What they really > > mean is that they were > > blessed with awesome genes. > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Dave, I have a stack of catalogs at home - too many to list. Try Shumways, Pinetree Gardens (superseeds.com), Jung seeds in Wisconsin, even Burpee. They all sell heirloom as well as organic seeds. There is also an organization called seed savers that collects old varieties before they go extinct, and the greatest magazine on earth, Mother Earth News, which is full of great ideas and stories (published 6 times/year). On Jan 4, 2008 12:33 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where do you get the seeds for these vegetables? > > My understanding, very limited, was that the conglomerate farms were > putting > the seed business out of business so that they could monopolize the market > with genetically altered non seeding plants > > > Dave H... > > -- > From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:30 PM > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > > > Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance > where > > healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live > longer. > > I > > grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer > worth > > waiting for. > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > >> > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > >> > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > >> > >> McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > >> tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > >> fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > >> shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better > >> that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > >> arriving at perfection. > >> > >> Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > >> fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > >> of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based > >> oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > >> for you either. > >> > >> Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > >> and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > >> concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > >> school glue. > >> > >> Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > >> feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health > >> food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > >> not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you > >> triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > >> > >> -- > >> 1983 300D > >> 1966 230 > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'll admit they maintain high quality control over their beef but its > like 50% lean... No, it's actually around 80% lean. I think the quarter pounders are a little less lean and the 10:1 are a little more. There was the awful "McLean" patty that they tried for a while, it was really low fat but tasted terrible and nobody bought it. > Oh and to go with Hursty, McD's was the worst job I ever had. I > ended my tenure there by getting good and drung and blowing chunks > all over the drive thru... hm. I thought it was a pretty good job for a high school/college kid when I was there. We had a fun bunch of people working there, I guess experiences vary. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
My paternal grandfather smoked two packs of Marlboros a day along with consuming at least 2-3 shots of Canadian Club. While infirm in his last few years, he lived to 98. My Dad died at 54, almost 25 years ago, the victim of esophageal cancer. He was a pipe smoker. Go figure. The 5 year survival rate for esophageal cancer is still pretty lousy today, too. Dan (non-smoker) --- andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, and there are some (probably a handful of) > lifetime smokers who never > get cancer or heart disease, are incredibly healthy, > and if they do die it's > in their sleep on account of old age rather than > disease. Chalk it up to > genetics, like those athletes who when praised demur > by attributing their > prowess to "God-given talent". What they really > mean is that they were > blessed with awesome genes. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Eating there once in awhile isn't the problem. It's the cumulative effect of dining there on a daily basis. Go see "Supersize me" (not a Michael Moore film, BTW). On Jan 4, 2008 3:50 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll admit they maintain high quality control over their beef but its like > 50% lean... > > I lifted a box of quarter pounder meat when I worked there. We tried > cooking it over charcoal but a couple patties could make 6' high flames. > > It was good fun until the fire department came. > > Oh and to go with Hursty, McD's was the worst job I ever had. I ended my > tenure there by getting good and drung and blowing chunks all over the drive > thru... > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:22:33 -0500 > From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all > about profit > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > During the 1980s and early 1990s, McDonald's contracted with my > > firm to write, maintain, and update all their handbooks, training > > manuals, food prep protocols, regional supply source order forms, > > ingredient disclosure forms, and franchise packets, as well as all > > bulletins (info that needed to be distributed to company stores > > and franchises before the next full update). > > Hm, well I can tell you for sure that when the switch was made to > vegetable oil for french fries, at least in the domestic stores, the > vegetable oil was partially hydrogentated, solid, and came in a > plastic liner inside a cardboard box. It was not liquid soy oil, > which is not even really suitable for deep frying. > > As far as I know it still is, but I suppose they could have switched > to something else recently. > > I've never seen any evidence that McDonalds would sacrifice taste or > quality solely to save money. They use real fresh eggs, real butter, > and generally better quality beef, cheese, and produce than most > people buy for themselves in the grocery store. > > The veg oil switch for french fries, and the reformulation of the ice > cream and milkshake mixes, was driven by pressure from health advocacy > groups and negative media attention, not cost savings. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Yes, he lived just outside of Oberlin, Ohio for a while. Not far from Cleveland. He had a family history of heart disease and NEVER went to the see the doctor until his autopsy. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Remember Jim Fixx died of a heart attack > > ;) > > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:08:16 -0600 > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave, > > Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do > you > ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your > hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk > activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go > out > & ride or run on public streets, correct? > > My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & > cost are > spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass > surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over > by a > car & the cost is shared by all. > > Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis > & > family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk > group > for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart > disease > or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > - > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, and there are some (probably a handful of) lifetime smokers who never get cancer or heart disease, are incredibly healthy, and if they do die it's in their sleep on account of old age rather than disease. Chalk it up to genetics, like those athletes who when praised demur by attributing their prowess to "God-given talent". What they really mean is that they were blessed with awesome genes. On Jan 4, 2008 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Remember Jim Fixx died of a heart attack > > ;) > > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:08:16 -0600 > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dave, > > Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do > you > ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your > hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk > activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go > out > & ride or run on public streets, correct? > > My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & > cost are > spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass > surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over > by a > car & the cost is shared by all. > > Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis > & > family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk > group > for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart > disease > or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > - > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
I'll admit they maintain high quality control over their beef but its like 50% lean... I lifted a box of quarter pounder meat when I worked there. We tried cooking it over charcoal but a couple patties could make 6' high flames. It was good fun until the fire department came. Oh and to go with Hursty, McD's was the worst job I ever had. I ended my tenure there by getting good and drung and blowing chunks all over the drive thru... -Curt Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:22:33 -0500 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > During the 1980s and early 1990s, McDonald's contracted with my > firm to write, maintain, and update all their handbooks, training > manuals, food prep protocols, regional supply source order forms, > ingredient disclosure forms, and franchise packets, as well as all > bulletins (info that needed to be distributed to company stores > and franchises before the next full update). Hm, well I can tell you for sure that when the switch was made to vegetable oil for french fries, at least in the domestic stores, the vegetable oil was partially hydrogentated, solid, and came in a plastic liner inside a cardboard box. It was not liquid soy oil, which is not even really suitable for deep frying. As far as I know it still is, but I suppose they could have switched to something else recently. I've never seen any evidence that McDonalds would sacrifice taste or quality solely to save money. They use real fresh eggs, real butter, and generally better quality beef, cheese, and produce than most people buy for themselves in the grocery store. The veg oil switch for french fries, and the reformulation of the ice cream and milkshake mixes, was driven by pressure from health advocacy groups and negative media attention, not cost savings. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Sunny Letot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > During the 1980s and early 1990s, McDonald's contracted with my > firm to write, maintain, and update all their handbooks, training > manuals, food prep protocols, regional supply source order forms, > ingredient disclosure forms, and franchise packets, as well as all > bulletins (info that needed to be distributed to company stores > and franchises before the next full update). Hm, well I can tell you for sure that when the switch was made to vegetable oil for french fries, at least in the domestic stores, the vegetable oil was partially hydrogentated, solid, and came in a plastic liner inside a cardboard box. It was not liquid soy oil, which is not even really suitable for deep frying. As far as I know it still is, but I suppose they could have switched to something else recently. I've never seen any evidence that McDonalds would sacrifice taste or quality solely to save money. They use real fresh eggs, real butter, and generally better quality beef, cheese, and produce than most people buy for themselves in the grocery store. The veg oil switch for french fries, and the reformulation of the ice cream and milkshake mixes, was driven by pressure from health advocacy groups and negative media attention, not cost savings. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Remember Jim Fixx died of a heart attack ;) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:08:16 -0600 From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave, Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do you ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go out & ride or run on public streets, correct? My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & cost are spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over by a car & the cost is shared by all. Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis & family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk group for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart disease or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:23:21 -0500 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Discussion List: coffee is hot, milkshakes are cold, and it's all about profit To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your account does not correlate to my knowledge. Have you worked in a McDonalds? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 = No, I've never worked in a McDonald's. During the 1980s and early 1990s, McDonald's contracted with my firm to write, maintain, and update all their handbooks, training manuals, food prep protocols, regional supply source order forms, ingredient disclosure forms, and franchise packets, as well as all bulletins (info that needed to be distributed to company stores and franchises before the next full update). Since then, I've never had any doubt whatsoever about what I was putting in my mouth when I ate at McDonald's. And it's not where I go for coffee, or for a milkshake! Sunny "Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." Robert A. Heinlein ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John, That is a response anyone could be proud of : Dave H... -- From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:39 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > Allan Streib wrote: >> Based on the source, I'd guess that the "facts" in that movie are few >> and far between, and carefully chosen to support an agenda. > > I'm sure there are lots of valid facts in there... the problem is that > the counterargument doesn't have *any*. MM is the last person I would > call fair and balanced, but he does still bring up issues that should be > talked about by more logical people. > > John > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle > analysis & family history and you might find yourself in an > expensive, high risk group for no other reason than a few distant > relatives died from of heart disease or cancer! How fair would this > scenario be to you? Probably more than you might think, almost everyone has a relative somewhere close in the family tree who has had cancer or heart disease, it might not have that much predictive significance. The Auto insurance industry seems to have figured this out, your rate is partly based on broad risk factors and partly based on your individual behavior (past accidents, speeding tickets, etc.) Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: > Based on the source, I'd guess that the "facts" in that movie are few > and far between, and carefully chosen to support an agenda. I'm sure there are lots of valid facts in there... the problem is that the counterargument doesn't have *any*. MM is the last person I would call fair and balanced, but he does still bring up issues that should be talked about by more logical people. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allen, To each his own - TG. My belief is that we are swallowing what the media tells us to digest without bothering to check on anything ourselves. There can be no doubt of Michael's previous history of employment but that does not necessarily mean that his current offerings are meant to entertain. If history demanded the way the future treated us I suppose each and everyone of us would be termed fools as I am sure at one time or another we have all played the "class clown" or at least its equivalent. If history demanded my future I would be a continuous liar, drug addict, thief, etc. Who would have ever believed that this high school drop out would have ended up with a Master's degree and a certified addiction/family counseling therapist? This "class clown" changed some aspects of his life and actually helped some people help themselves.:) Dave H... -- From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:27 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Without attempting to be political, I am not clever enough, I might >> suggest that you all view Michael Moore's DVD entitled Sicko. I >> believe it does an excellent job of laying out the facts of >> America's vs. many other nation's health/insurance policies. > > Based on the source, I'd guess that the "facts" in that movie are few > and far between, and carefully chosen to support an agenda. > > No I haven't watched it and don't plan to. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i don't need any bypass surgery. that is for people who eat margarine. i eat pure and healthy animal fats in large quantities, so no need for any bypass. On Jan 4, 2008 2:14 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So does that mean you are going to refuse the bypass surgery? > > -Dave Walton > > > On Jan 4, 2008 2:09 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > anything but. you are the drain on the system, not me. hell, i'm not > even > > in the system all that much and am trying to figure out how to get out > > entirely. > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 2:07 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes > > > longer than you, will remain active for more years and will require > > > less total medical care than an unhealthy person that dies at a > > > younger age. But don't let me stop you from ignoring the facts if that > > > makes you feel better. > > > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 1:54 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get > old. > > > you > > > > spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at > huge > > > > expense. i'm long dead by then. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility > to > > > > > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > > > > > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > > > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health > insurance > > > > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and > treatment > > > > > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring > upon > > > > > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > > > > > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not > exercise? > > > > > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > > > > > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. > Should > > > > > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > > > > > > > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > > > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > > > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > > > > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to > force > > > > > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's > for > > > > > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry > or > > > > > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung > cancer? > > > > > > > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > > > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > 1983 300D > > > > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: > http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >
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My neighbor was an ER Trauma Surgeon at the Level 4 Trauma Hospital here in Houston, where they fly in all the people they scrape up from car accidents, shootings, stabbings, etc. His boss took him aside one day to go over his numbers (which for some impractical reason they track). They were only getting paid for 10% of the cases he handled, not that he had any choice in the matter or could do much about it anyway. But that was higher than the overall average, which was at 8%. While he was an extremely dedicated and compassionate doctor, he did have to wonder if spending that money on some of his patients was worthwhile, as he did see a fair number of repeat customers who had not learned from their previous experiences with wielders of guns, knives, and baseball bats. Oh, and most of his patients were not citizens of the country either -- they seem to have a higher incidence of life-threatening behavioral experiences, like not wearing seat belts, not buckling in their kids (they came in in multiples usually), and using guns, knives, and blunt instruments to add additional interesting dimensions to their social encounters. Just empirical reality, YMMV. --R Mitch Haley wrote: > dave walton wrote: > >> Uninsured people that show up at the ER >> hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for >> it. >> > > Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER visit > that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can > do is negotiate a 10% cash discount at my local hospital. Then I only > pay $900 for a $300 visit. > > Mitch. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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"Dave H..." wrote: > that you all view Michael Moore's DVD entitled Sicko. Sorry, Dave, you can pay me enough to make me watch anything directed by that lying sicko. Just so you know, he has produced deliberate falsehoods and called it documentary in the past. (not a comment on "Sicko", which I know nothing about, just commentary on Michael Whore and his prior works) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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better, as the fresh ones are often hot and might burn you On Jan 4, 2008 1:00 PM, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ROFL! Probably not much different than fresh ones, eh? > Gerry > > From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > you are right. i had some heirloom mcdonald's fries i found under that > > car seat. they tasted pretty good too! > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance > where > >> healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live > longer. > >> I > >> grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer > worth > >> waiting for. > >> > >> On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > >> > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > >> > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > >> > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > >> > > >> > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > >> > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > >> > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > >> > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted > better > >> > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > >> > arriving at perfection. > >> > > >> > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > >> > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > >> > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in > vegetable-based > >> > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > >> > for you either. > >> > > >> > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > >> > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > >> > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > >> > school glue. > >> > > >> > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > >> > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The > health > >> > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > >> > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell > you > >> > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > > >> > 1983 300D > >> > 1966 230 > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You are quite correct, and I don't mind paying more for my activities that increase risk of injury. I don't agree that the current health insurance system "works", however. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 2:08 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave, > > Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do you > ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your > hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk > activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go out > & ride or run on public streets, correct? > > My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & cost are > spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass > surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over by a > car & the cost is shared by all. > > Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis & > family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk group > for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart disease > or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:58 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > -- > > > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 > 12:05 PM > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
"Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Without attempting to be political, I am not clever enough, I might > suggest that you all view Michael Moore's DVD entitled Sicko. I > believe it does an excellent job of laying out the facts of > America's vs. many other nation's health/insurance policies. Based on the source, I'd guess that the "facts" in that movie are few and far between, and carefully chosen to support an agenda. No I haven't watched it and don't plan to. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yeah, that really is what gets me kicked out of the few medical offices i've been to. why the hell do they ask me to pay $125 for something that costs another customer only $37? can you imagine the outcry if you were on line at a department store and the person in front of you gets charged $37 for his item and you then get charged $125 for the exact same item a moment later? i tend to bust out $37 at these moments and the fight is on. needless to say, i've been kicked out of quite a few places, but usually i make them bring the police before i leave. personally, if i were them, i'd have just compromised with me at $59, but medical office front offices seem to lack any such ability at working stuff out. On Jan 4, 2008 2:14 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dave walton wrote: > > Uninsured people that show up at the ER > > hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for > > it. > > Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER visit > that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can > do is negotiate a 10% cash discount at my local hospital. Then I only > pay $900 for a $300 visit. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ROFL! Probably not much different than fresh ones, eh? Gerry From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > you are right. i had some heirloom mcdonald's fries i found under that > car seat. they tasted pretty good too! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance where >> healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live longer. >> I >> grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer worth >> waiting for. >> >> On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >> > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as >> > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the >> > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. >> > >> > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what >> > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut >> > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard >> > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better >> > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before >> > arriving at perfection. >> > >> > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the >> > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out >> > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based >> > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good >> > for you either. >> > >> > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream >> > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat >> > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's >> > school glue. >> > >> > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to >> > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health >> > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is >> > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you >> > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. >> > 1983 300D >> > 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get old. you spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at huge expense. i'm long dead by then. On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > -- > > > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Folks, Only my opinion and worth every penny it costs you - NOTHING! Without attempting to be political, I am not clever enough, I might suggest that you all view Michael Moore's DVD entitled Sicko. I believe it does an excellent job of laying out the facts of America's vs. many other nation's health/insurance policies. Let me know what you all think after viewing it. :) Dave H... -- From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:08 PM To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > Dave, > > Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do you > ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your > hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk > activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go > out > & ride or run on public streets, correct? > > My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & cost > are > spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass > surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over by > a > car & the cost is shared by all. > > Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis & > family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk > group > for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart > disease > or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of dave walton > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:58 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with >> > McDonald's at all. >> >> So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? >> >> >> -- >> >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 > 12:05 PM > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dave, There is actually some well founded data behind Gary's statement. Those who smoke tend to die earlier & draw less funds from the SS system and are less of a burden on the system. But this logic only works if we all decide to retire at the same age. If all healthy people continued to work until they can't then it flips the other way and those who get sick from smoking become a burden on the system. So, those of you who smoke - please keep puffing away so that there will be more benefits left for me! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes longer than you, will remain active for more years and will require less total medical care than an unhealthy person that dies at a younger age. But don't let me stop you from ignoring the facts if that makes you feel better. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 1:54 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get old. you > spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at huge > expense. i'm long dead by then. > > > On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > 1983 300D > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So does that mean you are going to refuse the bypass surgery? -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 2:09 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > anything but. you are the drain on the system, not me. hell, i'm not even > in the system all that much and am trying to figure out how to get out > entirely. > > > On Jan 4, 2008 2:07 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes > > longer than you, will remain active for more years and will require > > less total medical care than an unhealthy person that dies at a > > younger age. But don't let me stop you from ignoring the facts if that > > makes you feel better. > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 1:54 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get old. > > you > > > spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at huge > > > expense. i'm long dead by then. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > > > > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > > > > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > > > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > > > > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > > > > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > > > > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > > > > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > > > > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > > > > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > > > > > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > > > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > > > > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > > > > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > > > > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > > > > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > > > > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > 1983 300D > > > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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dave walton wrote: > Uninsured people that show up at the ER > hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for > it. Speak for yourself. As an uninsured person, I pay $1000 for an ER visit that an insurance company might have allowed them $300 for. Best I can do is negotiate a 10% cash discount at my local hospital. Then I only pay $900 for a $300 visit. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Dave, Your logic can be applied to just about any lifestyle. For example, do you ride a bicycle or run? If so then why should my insurance pay for your hospital stay just because you decided to participate in this high risk activity and you were hit by a car? After all, it's your decision to go out & ride or run on public streets, correct? My real point is that insurance works because the associated risk & cost are spread across all policy holders. In other words, those receive bypass surgery & chemotherapy get the same treatment as someone who's run over by a car & the cost is shared by all. Go to a health insurance program that sets rates by lifestyle analysis & family history and you might find yourself in an expensive, high risk group for no other reason than a few distant relatives died from of heart disease or cancer! How fair would this scenario be to you? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dave walton Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > McDonald's at all. > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > -- > > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
anything but. you are the drain on the system, not me. hell, i'm not even in the system all that much and am trying to figure out how to get out entirely. On Jan 4, 2008 2:07 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes > longer than you, will remain active for more years and will require > less total medical care than an unhealthy person that dies at a > younger age. But don't let me stop you from ignoring the facts if that > makes you feel better. > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 1:54 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get old. > you > > spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at huge > > expense. i'm long dead by then. > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > > > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > > > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > > > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > > > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > > > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > > > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > > > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > > > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > > > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > > > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > > > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > > > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > 1983 300D > > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Actually, statistically speaking, I will earn income and pay taxes longer than you, will remain active for more years and will require less total medical care than an unhealthy person that dies at a younger age. But don't let me stop you from ignoring the facts if that makes you feel better. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 1:54 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > healthy lifestyle people cost more than unhealthy because they get old. you > spend the last 5 or 10 years of your life under constant care at huge > expense. i'm long dead by then. > > > On Jan 4, 2008 12:57 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > > > -Dave Walton > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > > > McDonald's at all. > > > > > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > 1983 300D > > > 1966 230 > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
I personally don't like the "HOT" McDonald's coffee. Then again, last time I tried it was many years ago when the local DID have an old water jacketed urn and perhaps I did get the idea they just continued to add and never brewed fresh. It was so hot I couldn't taste it. I'll admit that was in the 1970's about when we first started getting drive-throughs here. I don't begrudge anyone having their McD's coffee. I simply told myself I didn't like it and wouldn't waste the cost of it again. As far as healthy, my brother is obese. I can't help but contribute it to the fact that he was selected for the McDonald's All-American Band when he was in high school. The local franchise was so excited they gave him a year's free "carte blanche" at their stores. Mike developed the habit of eating fast food. Now after thirty years of that being his "comfort food" he'd "hoof out" at about 325#. The sight of the "golden arches" gets his juices flowing. Between meals he can "woof" down a couple of quarter pounders, usually two or three bites each. I don't think he chews. Habits are difficult to change, but they're his habits and they're "weighing" (pun) on him. I think he likes their coffee too. T > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:57:30 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to > eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with >>> McDonald's at all. >> >> So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? >> >> >> -- >> >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm inclined to let everyone pay their own way for everything. that way my descendants won't have to subsidize you and your longevity after i'm gone On Jan 4, 2008 1:46 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The current system is covering up huge inequities in coverage and > costs in providing care. Uninsured people that show up at the ER > hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for > it. Those costs are absorbed into the system. Once those treatments > are itemized and accounted for in a national plan, you will find that > Joe the smoker would have to pay 20x more than me to full cover the > cost of his treatments. More to the point - you will find that > covering healthy people like myself costs 20x less than Joe once the > current overhead absorbed by the system is accounted for. > > No matter how you account for it - Joe cannot afford to pay for his > own lung cancer treatments. His increased premiums do not come close > to making up the difference. > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 1:27 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility > > > to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we > > > extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and > > > treatment for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs > > > bring upon themselves? > > > > Yes, in fact it already works that way. If you go out and buy an > > individual health insurance plan, as I do, you get a better rate if > > you are young, and not a smoker. You can save a lot if you don't want > > maternity coverage. Even if you get insurance through your employer, > > your employer pays the insurance provider based on claims history. In > > a small company, one sickly person with a lot of claims can really > > blow the budget at next year's renewal. This is not immediately > > obvious if your employer averages the cost across all employees. > > > > It's the idea that everyone is entitled to a one-size-one-cost health > > insurance plan that has removed a lot of the consequences of unhealthy > > behavior from the market. > > > > Joe, a smoker who weighs 250 lbs: "man, I'm paying $X for my insurance > > that's crazy" > > > > Jim, his colleague, a non-smoker who weighs 180 lbs: "really? I only > > pay half that..." > > > > Pretty good incentive for Joe to get healthy. > > > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > > treatment to prevention. > > > > It will only make matters worse, by further removing responsibility > > from the individual. Why should I try to stay healthy when I can go > > to the doctor anytime I want for "free"? > > > > > We now tax polluters in an effort to force them to clean up their > > > act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for the increased costs > > > they are causing the health insurance industry or to tax cigarettes > > > for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > > > Yes, because generally you can't avoid pollution as a matter of > > personal choice. What you eat and what you deliberately inhale *are* > > your choices. > > > > Allan > > -- > > > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
The current system is covering up huge inequities in coverage and costs in providing care. Uninsured people that show up at the ER hopefully get at least some treatment but pay little or nothing for it. Those costs are absorbed into the system. Once those treatments are itemized and accounted for in a national plan, you will find that Joe the smoker would have to pay 20x more than me to full cover the cost of his treatments. More to the point - you will find that covering healthy people like myself costs 20x less than Joe once the current overhead absorbed by the system is accounted for. No matter how you account for it - Joe cannot afford to pay for his own lung cancer treatments. His increased premiums do not come close to making up the difference. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 1:27 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility > > to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we > > extend that personal responsibility to the point that > > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and > > treatment for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs > > bring upon themselves? > > Yes, in fact it already works that way. If you go out and buy an > individual health insurance plan, as I do, you get a better rate if > you are young, and not a smoker. You can save a lot if you don't want > maternity coverage. Even if you get insurance through your employer, > your employer pays the insurance provider based on claims history. In > a small company, one sickly person with a lot of claims can really > blow the budget at next year's renewal. This is not immediately > obvious if your employer averages the cost across all employees. > > It's the idea that everyone is entitled to a one-size-one-cost health > insurance plan that has removed a lot of the consequences of unhealthy > behavior from the market. > > Joe, a smoker who weighs 250 lbs: "man, I'm paying $X for my insurance > that's crazy" > > Jim, his colleague, a non-smoker who weighs 180 lbs: "really? I only > pay half that..." > > Pretty good incentive for Joe to get healthy. > > > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > > treatment to prevention. > > It will only make matters worse, by further removing responsibility > from the individual. Why should I try to stay healthy when I can go > to the doctor anytime I want for "free"? > > > We now tax polluters in an effort to force them to clean up their > > act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for the increased costs > > they are causing the health insurance industry or to tax cigarettes > > for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > > Yes, because generally you can't avoid pollution as a matter of > personal choice. What you eat and what you deliberately inhale *are* > your choices. > > Allan > -- > > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility > to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we > extend that personal responsibility to the point that > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and > treatment for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs > bring upon themselves? Yes, in fact it already works that way. If you go out and buy an individual health insurance plan, as I do, you get a better rate if you are young, and not a smoker. You can save a lot if you don't want maternity coverage. Even if you get insurance through your employer, your employer pays the insurance provider based on claims history. In a small company, one sickly person with a lot of claims can really blow the budget at next year's renewal. This is not immediately obvious if your employer averages the cost across all employees. It's the idea that everyone is entitled to a one-size-one-cost health insurance plan that has removed a lot of the consequences of unhealthy behavior from the market. Joe, a smoker who weighs 250 lbs: "man, I'm paying $X for my insurance that's crazy" Jim, his colleague, a non-smoker who weighs 180 lbs: "really? I only pay half that..." Pretty good incentive for Joe to get healthy. > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > treatment to prevention. It will only make matters worse, by further removing responsibility from the individual. Why should I try to stay healthy when I can go to the doctor anytime I want for "free"? > We now tax polluters in an effort to force them to clean up their > act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for the increased costs > they are causing the health insurance industry or to tax cigarettes > for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? Yes, because generally you can't avoid pollution as a matter of personal choice. What you eat and what you deliberately inhale *are* your choices. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
I'm off to get me some chili cheese fries for lunch, with a Big Gulp Coke and a coupla candy bars for dessert. Man that 7-11 serves up some tasty vittles! --R dave walton wrote: > Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that > health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance > plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment > for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon > themselves? Yes > Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes > medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? > Yes > Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance > plans that only cover fat slobs? Yes (but its called Medicare or just go to your local ER) > I bet you could not afford it. Should > we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? > Hmmm...you forgot "slow" in there, but I like your drift > Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a > national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a > matter of time. Yes (see auto manufacturers) > Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from > treatment to prevention. No > We now tax polluters in an effort to force > them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for > the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or > to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? > No, but the taxes are used for other things, not those purposes > -Dave Walton > > O > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Man I love a 6pack of BudLaht tallboys and a can o' CheezWhiz and a big ol' box of Ritz crackers -- man dat be some fine eatin! --R Robert Rentfro wrote: > Dudeall I'm saying is McD's is good at what they do. > > "Isn't that like saying that Bud makes the best piss-water beer on the > planet or that Kraft makes the best Cheese-whiz in a can?" > > Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not telling people to eat McD's or > drink icky beer...all I'm saying is they are good at what they do even > though you may not like what they do. > > Bob R. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Dudeall I'm saying is McD's is good at what they do.
"Isn't that like saying that Bud makes the best piss-water beer on the
planet or that Kraft makes the best Cheese-whiz in a can?"
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm not telling people to eat McD's or
drink icky beer...all I'm saying is they are good at what they do even
though you may not like what they do.
Bob R.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of dave walton
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
My god people - this stuff is not good, and is not good for you.
Their coffee and milkshakes are crap at any temperature.
Maybe if they tried serving Coke at 180F it would taste good - NOT!
-Dave Walton
On Jan 3, 2008 9:27 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McD has the best fountain coca-cola on the plant...and it's the same where
> ever you go. Mark of a good franchise.
>
> Bob R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
>
> that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines are
darn
> sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to get it
> right most of the time
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 7:23 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote < > bad
> > too>>
> >
> > I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there!
> > Why?
> > They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air
gets
> > mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
> >
> > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net
> > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> > .
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
> > >>
> > >
> > > That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset!
("Our
> > > unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other
coffee
> > > makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not
a
> > > flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
I have no problem for people accepting the personal responsibility to eating junk food and living an unhealthy lifestyle. Should we extend that personal responsibility to the point that health-conscious people like my myself stop funding health insurance plans that perform the bypass operations, chemotherapy, and treatment for secondary complications that those fat smoking slobs bring upon themselves? Should healthy people like me stop paying for diabetes medications for anyone that weighs over 250lbs and does not exercise? Make them pay for it out of pocket or try to find health insurance plans that only cover fat slobs? I bet you could not afford it. Should we let you die the painful death you brought upon yourself? Face it people. The Walmarts of the world are now pushing for a national health plan because it will save them money. It's only a matter of time. Hopefully the focus will eventually switch from treatment to prevention. We now tax polluters in an effort to force them to clean up their act. Is it any different to tax McDonald's for the increased costs they are causing the health insurance industry or to tax cigarettes for the costs of treating people with lung cancer? -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > McDonald's at all. > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > -- > > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
The one really good thing about McD is that it is pretty consistent. Stop at any McD and the food will be about the same. If one is travelling and has no knowledge of local restaurants then it is a reasonably safe bet for a quick bite. Probably no worse than any of the other fast food chains. About the only time I use McD (unless travelling longer distances by car) is when I am on the way to or from the lake. It is roughly 180 miles to the lake. There is a McD on the corner near the exit onto the highway out of Winnipeg. Friday night on the way out, it is a quick supper. There is a McD in Kenora, about 2 hours out on the way there or an hour out on the way back. I usually stopped there last summer for a fast drivethrough Qtr Pounder, Fries and Coke. Have not had one since Cdn Thanksgiving in early October and likely will not have another before Victoria Day long weekend at end of May when we open up again. Hopefully, eating them only during the time of year when I am more active, will avoid health issues related to junk food. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > McDonald's at all. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
you are right. i had some heirloom mcdonald's fries i found under that car seat. they tasted pretty good too! On Jan 4, 2008 12:30 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance where > healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live longer. > I > grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer worth > waiting for. > > On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > > > > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better > > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > > arriving at perfection. > > > > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based > > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > > for you either. > > > > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > > school glue. > > > > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health > > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you > > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > > > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Where do you get the seeds for these vegetables? My understanding, very limited, was that the conglomerate farms were putting the seed business out of business so that they could monopolize the market with genetically altered non seeding plants Dave H... -- From: "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:30 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance where > healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live longer. > I > grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer worth > waiting for. > > On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as >> > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the >> > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. >> >> McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what >> tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut >> fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard >> shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better >> that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before >> arriving at perfection. >> >> Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the >> fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out >> of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based >> oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good >> for you either. >> >> Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream >> and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat >> concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's >> school glue. >> >> Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to >> feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health >> food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is >> not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you >> triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. >> >> -- >> 1983 300D >> 1966 230 >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Baloney phoney. Food never tasted better. We are in a renaissance where healthful food tastes great - period. We can eat better AND live longer. I grow heirloom vegetables from the last century and they make summer worth waiting for. On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > arriving at perfection. > > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > for you either. > > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > school glue. > > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
all this talk makes me hungry. i think i'm going to go to mcdonalds to get some lunch On Jan 4, 2008 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, they do have some salads I suppose you could eat and be healthy > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's > > at all. Changing what they fry the food in or how they make milkshakes > > is just a marketing gimmick to attract fat slobs that think having a > > diet coke with their fat-burger will make a difference. Use common > > sense - saving a half gram of fat on your fries when the burger has > > over 150% of the USDA recommended calories from fat for the whole > > frigging day still leaves you obese. > > > > If you are on a healthy diet - McDonald's has NOTHING to offer you, > > regardless of the serving size. > > > > -Dave Walton > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
Well, they do have some salads I suppose you could eat and be healthy --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's > at all. Changing what they fry the food in or how they make milkshakes > is just a marketing gimmick to attract fat slobs that think having a > diet coke with their fat-burger will make a difference. Use common > sense - saving a half gram of fat on your fries when the burger has > over 150% of the USDA recommended calories from fat for the whole > frigging day still leaves you obese. > > If you are on a healthy diet - McDonald's has NOTHING to offer you, > regardless of the serving size. > > -Dave Walton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
that's exactly what i want to know. there is this fundamental decency in americans of northern european descent where if someone complains they feel the need to be some concessions to them to be "fair." many northern europeans do not complain at all no matter how grievous the circumstances. they therefore often fail to realize that that in most of the world, complaints of "outrage" are just a tactical ploy. when i deal with my vendors, i will often scream over the outrage committed against me, but i really don't believe i've been wronged and just want to get a couple of bucks off. somehow, for all their wit and accomplishment, germanic peoples can't seem to grasp this and continually make concessions, thereby ruining it for everyone. when michael corleone moved out to nevada and was shaken down by the local politician he knew to make him an offer of "nothing." michael schmidt would have made concessions and would continue to make them forever. in summa, make no concessions to terrorists. offer them NOTHING. On Jan 4, 2008 11:54 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > > McDonald's at all. > > So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? > > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
-- Original message -- From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If you are on a healthy diet - McDonald's has NOTHING to offer you, > regardless of the serving size. > > -Dave Walton > Not in complete agreement here. Mickey's salads (w/wout broiled chicken) are resonable lunch. Assuming you forgo the fries Pete, who is a heart patient and trys to be good. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
"dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with > McDonald's at all. So why do they spoil it for the rest of us? -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
which is why it really doesn't pay to make any concessions. fry in fat! serve hot coffee! On Jan 4, 2008 11:31 AM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's > at all. Changing what they fry the food in or how they make milkshakes > is just a marketing gimmick to attract fat slobs that think having a > diet coke with their fat-burger will make a difference. Use common > sense - saving a half gram of fat on your fries when the burger has > over 150% of the USDA recommended calories from fat for the whole > frigging day still leaves you obese. > > If you are on a healthy diet - McDonald's has NOTHING to offer you, > regardless of the serving size. > > -Dave Walton > > On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > > > > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better > > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > > arriving at perfection. > > > > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based > > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > > for you either. > > > > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > > school glue. > > > > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health > > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you > > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > > > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
and now you will get to drink cold nasty coffee as well. On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > arriving at perfection. > > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > for you either. > > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > school glue. > > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
People who want to eat healthy food have nothing to do with McDonald's at all. Changing what they fry the food in or how they make milkshakes is just a marketing gimmick to attract fat slobs that think having a diet coke with their fat-burger will make a difference. Use common sense - saving a half gram of fat on your fries when the burger has over 150% of the USDA recommended calories from fat for the whole frigging day still leaves you obese. If you are on a healthy diet - McDonald's has NOTHING to offer you, regardless of the serving size. -Dave Walton On Jan 4, 2008 10:45 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. > > McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what > tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut > fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard > shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better > that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before > arriving at perfection. > > Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the > fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out > of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based > oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good > for you either. > > Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream > and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat > concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's > school glue. > > Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to > feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health > food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is > not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you > triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot
"Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as > there are likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the > cost of fast food but cannot live with crappy drink. McDonalds for most of its history made decisions on the basis of what tasted the best. They caught hell for years from the health nut fringe about their french fries because they cooked them in beef lard shortening. They did that because they were crisper and tasted better that way. They tried over 50 different blends of shortening before arriving at perfection. Finally they relented and switched to a vegetable oil blend, now the fries are soggy and don't taste very good, even if they are fresh out of the fryer. And it turns out that the trans-fats in vegetable-based oil that they never wanted to use in the first place aren't any good for you either. Same with their milk shakes, they used to be made with milk and cream and had a really good "icy bite" now they are made with some low fat concoction and you might as well be drinking cold flavored elmer's school glue. Notice that back then you did not have to get monstrous portions to feel you were getting a good value. The food tasted GOOD. The health food whiners have forced out the flavor and quality and the stuff is not any better for you than it ever was, and now they have to sell you triple-sized portions so at least you feel it's worth buying at all. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
obviously not
On Jan 3, 2008 10:28 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't that like saying that Bud makes the best piss-water beer on the
> planet or that Kraft makes the best Cheese-whiz in a can?
> My god people - this stuff is not good, and is not good for you.
> Their coffee and milkshakes are crap at any temperature.
> Maybe if they tried serving Coke at 180F it would taste good - NOT!
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 9:27 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > McD has the best fountain coca-cola on the plant...and it's the same
> where
> > ever you go. Mark of a good franchise.
> >
> > Bob R.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
> >
> > that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines are
> darn
> > sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to get it
> > right most of the time
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2008 7:23 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote < smells
> > > bad
> > > too>>
> > >
> > > I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there!
> > > Why?
> > > They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air
> gets
> > > mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
> > >
> > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset!
> ("Our
> > > > unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other
> coffee
> > > > makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's
> not a
> > > > flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
and it makes a huge difference. a lot of times i want the drink right and
in those cases i can't go anywhere near most fast food places. even though
i'd rather go to popeyes for chicken, mcdonald's is the only place i can be
confident the drinks will be right.
being a pepsi place is also an automatic disqualification. if your diet
coke is caffeine free, you are done in my book.
which is why mcdonald's probably tried to get the coffee right, as there are
likely man people who will accept mediocre food as the cost of fast food but
cannot live with crappy drink.
On Jan 3, 2008 9:27 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McD has the best fountain coca-cola on the plant...and it's the same where
> ever you go. Mark of a good franchise.
>
> Bob R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
>
> that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines are
> darn
> sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to get it
> right most of the time
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 7:23 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote < > bad
> > too>>
> >
> > I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there!
> > Why?
> > They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air
> gets
> > mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
> >
> > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
> > >>
> > >
> > > That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset!
> ("Our
> > > unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other
> coffee
> > > makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not
> a
> > > flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Isn't that like saying that Bud makes the best piss-water beer on the
planet or that Kraft makes the best Cheese-whiz in a can?
My god people - this stuff is not good, and is not good for you.
Their coffee and milkshakes are crap at any temperature.
Maybe if they tried serving Coke at 180F it would taste good - NOT!
-Dave Walton
On Jan 3, 2008 9:27 PM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> McD has the best fountain coca-cola on the plant...and it's the same where
> ever you go. Mark of a good franchise.
>
> Bob R.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
>
> that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines are darn
> sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to get it
> right most of the time
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 7:23 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote < > bad
> > too>>
> >
> > I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there!
> > Why?
> > They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air gets
> > mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
> >
> > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
> > >>
> > >
> > > That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset! ("Our
> > > unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other coffee
> > > makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not a
> > > flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Jesus, Mary and Joseph I love Steak-n-Shake. I miss it so, When we go back east I eat there once a day every day. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards) Steak N Shake does the same thing. You calibrate the fountain heads daily, using a little kit that Coke supplies to check the "throw" of each beverage mix. If it's off, you have to adjust it until it's right, then the offending head has to be checked again at the next shift change to make sure it's not screwed up. Dan --- Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those > drink machines are darn > sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits > that tends to get it > right most of the time Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
McD has the best fountain coca-cola on the plant...and it's the same where
ever you go. Mark of a good franchise.
Bob R.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines are darn
sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to get it
right most of the time
On Jan 3, 2008 7:23 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote < bad
> too>>
>
> I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there!
> Why?
> They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air gets
> mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
> >>
> >
> > That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset! ("Our
> > unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other coffee
> > makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not a
> > flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
The process is called brixing and the cup is a brix cup. You remove the mix head & hold the cup under the dispenser & dispense some soda. The cup is split in 2 chambers, sized for a 20/80 mix (20% syrup, 80% water). Syrup dispenses in one while carbonated water dispenses in the other. If the two fill to the exact same level, the mix is right. A properly setup soda machine only needs to be brixed once & then verified once a month & should rarely need adjusting. If it needs contunuous calibration then they have issues with their carbonator pump or CO2 pressure running their BIB pumps. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: 1/3/08 8:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards) Steak N Shake does the same thing. You calibrate the fountain heads daily, using a little kit that Coke supplies to check the "throw" of each beverage mix. If it's off, you have to adjust it until it's right, then the offending head has to be checked again at the next shift change to make sure it's not screwed up. Dan --- Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those > drink machines are darn > sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits > that tends to get it > right most of the time Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Steak N Shake does the same thing. You calibrate the fountain heads daily, using a little kit that Coke supplies to check the "throw" of each beverage mix. If it's off, you have to adjust it until it's right, then the offending head has to be checked again at the next shift change to make sure it's not screwed up. Dan --- Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those > drink machines are darn > sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits > that tends to get it > right most of the time Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
If they are following their PM schedule they recalibrate each dispenser head weekly, IIRC. Allan On Jan 3, 2008, at 7:33 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: > that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines > are darn > sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to > get it > right most of the time ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
that's another area where mcdonald's excels. those drink machines are darn
sensitive and mcdonald's are one of the few outfits that tends to get it
right most of the time
On Jan 3, 2008 7:23 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote < bad
> too>>
>
> I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there!
> Why?
> They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air gets
> mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
> >>
> >
> > That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset! ("Our
> > unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other coffee
> > makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not a
> > flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Speaking of things smelling bad - RA Bennell wrote <>
I add - While I love Krispy Kreme donuts I never buy softdrinks there! Why?
They always taste like glazed donuts! I assume the sugar in the air gets
mixed with the soft drinks - Yuck!
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From: "Alex Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
> On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
>>
>
> That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset! ("Our
> unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other coffee
> makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not a
> flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
On Jan 3, 2008 3:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it.
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That's because they do! Amazingly, they pitch this as an asset! ("Our
unique roasting process extracts flavor from the beans that other coffee
makers don't," etc.---conveniently leaving out the fact that it's not a
flavor you normally extract intentionally.)
Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Andrew S. wrote: "They add nothing to the neighborhood in terms of character or individuality. And amazingly, the coffee tastes vile." I like the coffee, but its too hot for me. I have to add a cube of ice to cool it down. :-) Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
y'know, i don't even drink coffee anymore. On Jan 3, 2008 6:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it. I drink > mine straight black though so maybe if one > adds enough cream and sugar it is capable of being swallowed. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:29 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards) > > > Don't get me started on Starbucks. Any time a downtown building is > rehabbed/gutted, the new storefront always includes a Starbucks, even if > there is already a store within a block. They add nothing to the > neighborhood in terms of character or individuality. And amazingly, the > coffee tastes vile. > > On Jan 2, 2008 3:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > At home I used to use a pour-over filter/funnel with a vacuum bottle > > and pour in boiling water from a kettle. Now I use a small > > percolator, which also works by boiling the water. Makes a nice > > tasting brew, though you do tend to have a few stray grounds in the > > bottom of your cup. > > > > Yes, news flash, coffee is made with hot near-boiling water. Probably > > not a good idea to try to drink it while driving. McDonald's uses > > standard restaurant style Bunn coffee makers and their coffee is/was > > no hotter than anyone elses using the same equipment. > > > > Despite what your views might be on their finished product, they do > > buy top tier ingredients and don't pinch pennies on equipment either. > > Their coffee for years was about on par with Folgers/Maxwell House, I > > actually think their new "premium roast" or whatever they are calling > > it now is quite good and certainly a better value than Starbucks. > > > > Allan > > > > LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Interesting that you mention this. There was a very spirited > > > conversation at a party I went to this week about how Bunn > > > coffeemakers were the only ones that made "good" coffee, and that > > > was because of how hot they got the water. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> John Robbins wrote: > > >> > probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that > > >> hot > > >> > > >> "We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!!" > > >> > > >> The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a > > >> tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing > > >> temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I > > >> think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was > > >> about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in > > >> my 2.3L gasser in the winter. > > >> > > >> Mitch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > -- > > 1983 300D > > 1966 230 > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Their coffee smells bad too. Always smells like they burned it. I drink mine straight black though so maybe if one adds enough cream and sugar it is capable of being swallowed. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:29 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards) Don't get me started on Starbucks. Any time a downtown building is rehabbed/gutted, the new storefront always includes a Starbucks, even if there is already a store within a block. They add nothing to the neighborhood in terms of character or individuality. And amazingly, the coffee tastes vile. On Jan 2, 2008 3:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At home I used to use a pour-over filter/funnel with a vacuum bottle > and pour in boiling water from a kettle. Now I use a small > percolator, which also works by boiling the water. Makes a nice > tasting brew, though you do tend to have a few stray grounds in the > bottom of your cup. > > Yes, news flash, coffee is made with hot near-boiling water. Probably > not a good idea to try to drink it while driving. McDonald's uses > standard restaurant style Bunn coffee makers and their coffee is/was > no hotter than anyone elses using the same equipment. > > Despite what your views might be on their finished product, they do > buy top tier ingredients and don't pinch pennies on equipment either. > Their coffee for years was about on par with Folgers/Maxwell House, I > actually think their new "premium roast" or whatever they are calling > it now is quite good and certainly a better value than Starbucks. > > Allan > > LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Interesting that you mention this. There was a very spirited > > conversation at a party I went to this week about how Bunn > > coffeemakers were the only ones that made "good" coffee, and that > > was because of how hot they got the water. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> John Robbins wrote: > >> > probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that > >> hot > >> > >> "We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!!" > >> > >> The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a > >> tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing > >> temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I > >> think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was > >> about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in > >> my 2.3L gasser in the winter. > >> > >> Mitch. > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
Don't get me started on Starbucks. Any time a downtown building is rehabbed/gutted, the new storefront always includes a Starbucks, even if there is already a store within a block. They add nothing to the neighborhood in terms of character or individuality. And amazingly, the coffee tastes vile. On Jan 2, 2008 3:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At home I used to use a pour-over filter/funnel with a vacuum bottle > and pour in boiling water from a kettle. Now I use a small > percolator, which also works by boiling the water. Makes a nice > tasting brew, though you do tend to have a few stray grounds in the > bottom of your cup. > > Yes, news flash, coffee is made with hot near-boiling water. Probably > not a good idea to try to drink it while driving. McDonald's uses > standard restaurant style Bunn coffee makers and their coffee is/was > no hotter than anyone elses using the same equipment. > > Despite what your views might be on their finished product, they do > buy top tier ingredients and don't pinch pennies on equipment either. > Their coffee for years was about on par with Folgers/Maxwell House, I > actually think their new "premium roast" or whatever they are calling > it now is quite good and certainly a better value than Starbucks. > > Allan > > LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Interesting that you mention this. There was a very spirited > > conversation at a party I went to this week about how Bunn > > coffeemakers were the only ones that made "good" coffee, and that > > was because of how hot they got the water. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> John Robbins wrote: > >> > probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that > >> hot > >> > >> "We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!!" > >> > >> The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a > >> tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing > >> temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I > >> think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was > >> about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in > >> my 2.3L gasser in the winter. > >> > >> Mitch. > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Coffee is hot (was: Re: Stella Awards)
At home I used to use a pour-over filter/funnel with a vacuum bottle and pour in boiling water from a kettle. Now I use a small percolator, which also works by boiling the water. Makes a nice tasting brew, though you do tend to have a few stray grounds in the bottom of your cup. Yes, news flash, coffee is made with hot near-boiling water. Probably not a good idea to try to drink it while driving. McDonald's uses standard restaurant style Bunn coffee makers and their coffee is/was no hotter than anyone elses using the same equipment. Despite what your views might be on their finished product, they do buy top tier ingredients and don't pinch pennies on equipment either. Their coffee for years was about on par with Folgers/Maxwell House, I actually think their new "premium roast" or whatever they are calling it now is quite good and certainly a better value than Starbucks. Allan LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Interesting that you mention this. There was a very spirited > conversation at a party I went to this week about how Bunn > coffeemakers were the only ones that made "good" coffee, and that > was because of how hot they got the water. > > Dan > > > > --- Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> John Robbins wrote: >> > probably some benefit to keeping the coffee that >> hot >> >> "We've got the hottest, freshest brew in town!!!" >> >> The paperwork with the Bunn home brewer claims that it maintains a >> tank of 190 degree water because it's the perfect brewing >> temperature. If you brew at 190 and serve it fresh, it's HOT. I >> think the pre-Stella McDonald's maintenance temp after brewing was >> about 160 deg F (71C), which is as hot as I can get the coolant in >> my 2.3L gasser in the winter. >> >> Mitch. > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
