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From: Tyler Backman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerCrysler's latest blunder
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I have driven the entire length
ernest breakfield wrote:
what does it say when i've been rear-ended 7 (Yes, *seven*) times while
sitting still in my full-size J**p, but never on my bikes or motorcycles?
I can remember getting rear-ended twice on a bicycle, neither time was
enough to knock me down, but it is
Glenn M. Brown wrote:
It would be downright dangerous to ride a bicylce, motorcycle, or drive a
Smartcar in any sort of urban American traffic with the USUV numskulls on
their cellphones.
I think the Smartcar wouldn't be as dangerous as a motorcycle or
bicycle. For one thing, when you
Wow are you guys ever getting ripped off!! They are nowhere near $30k here
in Canada...They start at $18k
Keep in mind, this is NOT their latest blunder...this is a 10 year old car.
It's just that once again the US is draggin up the rear. This car is
desgined for the city people who need a
Jeff Zedic wrote:
Wow are you guys ever getting ripped off!! They are nowhere near $30k here
in Canada...They start at $18k
Hmm. I did a web search and that's what I came up with for the MSRP.
Maybe they're selling at a significant discount.
I was corresponding with Bjorn in Norway on the SL list about his
Smart about 4 years ago - asking if they might be feasible for a 25
mile commute at speeds from 60 to 75 mph (converted to kilometers
first) among the semi's, etc. He replied that that's exactly how he
uses his, and has no problems
I got hit once in my Dodge pickup by a ditzy blond it a Chevy. She didn't want
to report it and since she'd only impaled her car on my trailer hitch I didn't
think it was worth my time. Until I pulled forward and ripped the bumper off
her car. She got out of the car, put the bumper (what was
on 11/6/06 3:03 PM, David Brodbeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Luther wrote:
CR didn't like the car at all
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/first-look-2006-smart-fortwo
-406/index.htm
It sounds like it'd be a good idea in a cramped European city, but it's
just not
: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerCrysler's latest blunder
Glenn M. Brown wrote:
It would be downright dangerous to ride a bicylce, motorcycle, or drive a
Smartcar in any sort of urban American traffic with the USUV numskulls on
their cellphones.
I think the Smartcar wouldn't be as dangerous
Steve MacSween wrote:
As for CR, I have been slinging sh*t at what they have to say about cars for
some time. They are nerdish in the extreme, in what they like and dislike.
Plus they have pared-down the way they report auto tests so much, it's
borderline stupid.
Well, yes. The word stodgy
70+24 - 94 mph which I guess explains the 90ish upper limit I
observed.
Also the portland paper was full of complaints about how there was
only say two state cops patrolling such and such highway due
to cutbacks and redistribution of funds, vote for so and so to
restore law an order, etc...
LIkely the price you see is for the current DOT approved importers,
say $15K for the car, $1K to alter to DOT standards/etc, 14K extra
profit to cover DOT paperwork/bribes/politics/scandals/lawsuits/etc.
Up in Canada we avoid the extra $15K of price gouging by buying from
mercedes/smart
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I've noticed that consumer reports bases their reliability data on
average cost of maintenance over the first few years, and their
safety data on cost of repairs for minor accidents. I think these are
both fundamentally flawed because a car
Steve MacSween wrote:
Our government is, or was, considering relaxing some safety standards enough
to allow other 'micro' cars (VW Lupo and the extreme small cars on sale in
the Japanese market) to come in here as well.
I'd love to have a 660cc turbocharged kei car. It'd be like driving to
Steve MacSween wrote:
As for CR, I have been slinging sh*t at what they have to say about cars for
some time. They are nerdish in the extreme, in what they like and dislike.
Plus they have pared-down the way they report auto tests so much, it's
borderline stupid.
Well, yes. The word stodgy
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerCrysler's latest blunder
Steve MacSween wrote:
Our government is, or was, considering relaxing some safety standards
enough
to allow other 'micro' cars (VW Lupo and the extreme
LarryT wrote:
Mitch wrote:1/2 scale model of a Porsche 962
Sign me up for one of those too! That'll cause quite a stir down at the
Dairy Queen!
;-)
Apparently, you can already buy kei cars in Toronto.
on 11/7/06 2:38 AM, Tyler Backman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've noticed that consumer reports bases their reliability data on
average cost of maintenance over the first few years, and their
safety data on cost of repairs for minor accidents. I think these are
both fundamentally flawed
on 11/7/06 6:56 AM, Tony Wirtel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Steve MacSween wrote:
As for CR, I have been slinging sh*t at what they have to say about cars for
some time. They are nerdish in the extreme, in what they like and dislike.
Plus they have pared-down the way they report auto tests so
I'd like to know who did the steering conversion on the Yank delivered
300D?
What a weird looking engine compartment toobig empty space on the
passenger side.
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerCrysler's latest blunder
LarryT wrote:
Mitch wrote:1/2 scale model of a Porsche 962
Sign me up for one of those too! That'll cause quite a stir down at the
Dairy Queen!
;-)
Apparently, you can already buy
Steve MacSween wrote:
Nail-head-bang.
These are guys who test two-seater sports cars and complain about the lack
of luggage space. Duh.
Plus lately they have begun testing very high end machinery, which I think
is just plain idiotic. Like you need commentary on how many storage bins and
] DaimlerCrysler's latest blunder
I'd like to know who did the steering conversion on the Yank delivered
300D?
What a weird looking engine compartment toobig empty space on the
passenger side.
Jeff Zedic
Toronto
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CR didn't like the car at all
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/first-look-2006-smart-fortwo-406/index.htm
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'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
'85 300D (280,176)
Luther wrote:
CR didn't like the car at all
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/first-look-2006-smart-fortwo-406/index.htm
It sounds like it'd be a good idea in a cramped European city, but it's
just not a good design for American driving conditions.
, November 06, 2006 2:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DaimlerCrysler's latest blunder
Luther wrote:
CR didn't like the car at all
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/first-look-2006-smart-fortw
o-406/index.htm
It sounds like it'd be a good idea
For in-city use you probably couldn't beat one, except it might benefit
from a hybrid/plug-in powertrain? I guess that would add to the price
quite a bit, and it is pretty frugal on fuel as it is. On a Texas
interstate, cruising at 75-80mph (in the slow lane, watch out for big
chipped diesel
Well up here in Canada where there about 500+ running about locally,
I'll comment a bit.
I'll note the performance is like say a 240D, mind usually the
performance is fine for daily driving, even on the highway. People
who drive them usually figure out how to shift the auto-manual
It would be downright dangerous to ride a bicylce, motorcycle, or drive a
Smartcar in any sort of urban American traffic with the USUV numskulls on their
cellphones.
G. M. Brown
Rochester, NY
On 6-Nov-06, at 12:58 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
For in-city use you probably couldn't beat one, except it might
benefit
from a hybrid/plug-in powertrain? I guess that would add to the price
quite a bit, and it is pretty frugal on fuel as it is. On a Texas
interstate, cruising at 75-80mph (in
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I have driven the entire length of both I-5 and I-84 here in Oregon
at 75mph without being passed once. Since you will get a $500 ticket
within minutes for going 24mph over the speed limit, I rarely see
people driving that fast. I have driven
Revenue stream that supports all sorts of small towns
On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
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I have driven the entire length of both I-5 and I-84 here in Oregon
at 75mph without being passed once. Since you will get a $500 ticket
within
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