Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-03-05 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Not unlike selling people mortgages they could not afford to "help" them. > -Original Message- > From: On Behalf Of clay via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 7:49 PM > > Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the > people who can not afford mistake

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-03-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
the worst companies in the world, Verizon has no push to upgrade infrastructure... -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2015 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:20:35 -0500 Tim Crone via

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-03-05 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:20:35 -0500 Tim Crone via Mercedes wrote: > A year ago, AT&T was blocking Netflix; Verizon sold Durham to > Frontier, who is just horrid; Time Warner will send you to collections > even if you are paid up, doesn't provide service, etc. etc.. Same > issues for everyone. We

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-03-02 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the people who can not afford mistakes. Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families. There have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying, or not showing the policy has been paid reg

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-03-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
You might want to change the subject line or better yet, stay on topic. :) On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:48 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the > people who can not afford mistakes. > > > Seems the Washington Healthplan finder sys

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-03-02 Thread clay via Mercedes
Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the people who can not afford mistakes. Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families. There have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying, or not showing the policy has been paid regu

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-28 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curt wrote: > You know she was taken out of context right? It doesn't matter. All that is done but the sound bite remains a fox to quote. As with all politics, it makes zero sense. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.c

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
You know she was taken out of context right? She said the words but they leave out the sentence before... -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality Roger wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Grant wrote: > This troubles me. Deeply. Yes! But there is nothing to be done for or against this. That is the large disappointment I sense. Gov't might be good if it was limited to intention rather than guidelines and rules. As in any human organization the guidelines and rules become onerous, i

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Roger wrote: > ...as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a > utility... > There are no details! That is the complaint I hear. It is all ACA all over again. Pass the legislation so we can read it - sounds like Nanny Pelozi all over again. A utility - yeah, those l

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I don't know much of anything about any of this, and apparently neither does anyone else except the FCC, the lobbyists, and the big bidnesses who would be affected. Those of us who have to pay or live within the regs know little or nothing. --R "Have you read the 300+ pages of the regula

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
>> A would suggest that if anyone here wants to see one of the most monopolistic ISP/telco arrangements in the country they look at West Virginia.  Frontier has a death grip on the state's infrastructure and controls it ruthlessly, as well as the legislature. << Dan, I t

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is as much about that as the ACA is about healthcare. (only makes it > worse and way more costly) THat is why you can't read it. > > Oppose it. > > Favor it or do nothing: you will get worse service for a lot more mo

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Draft regulations were out for public review and have been vetted. Final regulations are edited and completed for forwarding to Congress 60 days after the FCC approves them, I believe. One of the concerns is that the dissenting committee members will take a long time or stonewall on turning in

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Help us understand why anything is incorrect. Have you read the 300+ pages of the regulations that were voted on? It is my understanding that the proposed regs had not been released to the public (by the most transparent administration in history) so it would be kinda hard to know what it all

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
cedes Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 10:17 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC __

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It is as much about that as the ACA is about healthcare. (only makes it worse and way more costly) THat is why you can't read it. Oppose it. Favor it or do nothing: you will get worse service for a lot more money On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: People

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
A would suggest that if anyone here wants to see one of the most monopolistic ISP/telco arrangements in the country they look at West Virginia. Frontier has a death grip on the state's infrastructure and controls it ruthlessly, as well as the legislature. I'm sure if you look in the Google you

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: > People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, > Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. > <<< > Curt, > You are right, except that going forward the governments (state and

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
>>> People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. <<< Curt,   You are right, except that going forward the governments (state and local) will now have the authority and justification to add more taxes. 

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
>> Incorrect on every point. << Curt,    Sorry, but I think you are incorrect on every point.  I hope you remember how much better and cheaper phone service would be if it was just all deregulated.  And natural gas.  And everything else where our wonderful government has gotten i

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, > Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. I am 100% with Dan and Curt on this, in theory. The cable and telephone companies have been enjoying

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
People getting their internet through a telco are already being taxed, Comcast has been getting a free ride in that regard. -Curt From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality >&g

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality >I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of >you who make a living in the IT industry. > &g

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
"You have to pass it to see what's in it" only works with stool samples, not government regulations or bills before Congress... The intense secrecy prior to this vote with copies of what was being proposed not being allowed proper and full review really gave the whole undertaking that "stool sampl

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2014/05/14/am-i-the-only-techie-against-net-neutrality/ "Many of us see the U.S. government as a benevolent and all-knowing parent with the best interests of you and me, its children, at heart. I see the U.S. government as a dangerous tyrant, influenced by l

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
BIngo!DING DING DING! We have a WInner! Dan, I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utility so it can be regulated and TAXED. And you know who will pay the taxes. My home phone, land line, is comprised of r

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would look closely at your bill to see exactly what the fees and taxes are - a number of them are there to benefit the service provider, and they exploit the heck out of them, of course! What I think was most important for this is the two items: 1.) The ISPs can't throttle or restrict bandwid

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
The Internet is working just fine, why get Uncle Sam involved? That worked out so well with health insurance. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 8:22 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: > I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises > about controlling or s

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
>>> I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. <<< Dan,   I agree with some of your points, but as I read the details, the main concern was to get it categorized as a utilit

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-foundation-shovel-196-million-to-net-neutrality-groups-staff-to-white-house/article/2560702 --R On 2/27/15 8:50 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living i

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader. The sheeple all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolid

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks Dan. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Al

Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-27 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I think the FCC did the right thing, as the Telcos/ISPs were making noises about controlling or selling bandwidth to control speed for some customers. I would point to the TechDirt blog for some good discussion on this subject if you're interested. Not surprisingly, Verizon was the biggest whine

[MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

2015-02-26 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of you who make a living in the IT industry. -- - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or cha