Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Thats whats so vexing about the whole problem, theres so little on the transaxle that is likely to fail... -Curt From: David Bruckmann To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" ; Curt Raymond Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote: >Fuzzy logic computing on a >manual transmission? Whoops. I missed that bit! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote: > >Fuzzy logic computing on a > >manual transmission? Whoops. I missed that bit! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
> Curt wrote: > > When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically > gets unstuck until its stuck again... Does it become stuck while moving? Let's say reverse is not clearly disengaging. Then if it should "drift" and engage while any forward gear is selected, the transmission will be locked. But shift into reverse and it will be fine. This in ONLY valid if it gets stuck when stopped. If it is moving forward and _while_moving_ it becomes stuck then I don't think the problem can be two gears engaged. Could be failing output shaft bearings that sometimes jamb. Reverse makes it rotate the other direction and I could see it turning okay that way. Does making it move in reveres un-stick it so it will move forward? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Yeah I've been on TDI club since I got my Jetta 2 years ago. So far everybody over there is perplexed. I'd asked before with no idea what was wrong. Today I posed with the specific problems, thus far no replies to that one. Fuzzy logic computing on a manual transmission? -Curt From: David Bruckmann To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" Cc: Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI I assume you looked on tdiclub.com for this? You are almost certain to find this condition and its resolution described there. >From what I remember, the fuzzy logic computing on these transmissions can >fail and lead to what you're describing. > On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote: > > When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically gets unstuck until > its stuck again... > > Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
I assume you looked on tdiclub.com for this? You are almost certain to find this condition and its resolution described there. >From what I remember, the fuzzy logic computing on these transmissions can >fail and lead to what you're describing. > On Jul 25, 2015, Curt Raymond wrote: > > When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically gets unstuck until > its stuck again... > > Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
When its stuck its stuck in all gears. Then it magically gets unstuck until its stuck again... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
> On July 25, 2015 at 9:25 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Broken shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once? I was thinking more along the lines of something internal, like shift interlock or shift fork. I don't know details on Curt's car, but it's not usually possible to engage two gears at once by manipulation of the external linkages on a functional manny tranny, is it? Mitch. Yes, a manual trans can be in 2 gears at once and lock up the trans that way. I had a 66 frod bronco 3 spd. The column shift linkage was very crummy; thin pot metal. It would often not get out of 1st when it went into second if you shifted normally. To keep it from jamming, you had to run the shift lever in 3 distinct movements: up toward R, forward across the H; then up into 2nd. I replaced the junk factory shifter with a cheap floor shift from JCWhitney. It was some better, but you still could lock up the trans if you tried to shift fast. A couple months after I sold it, I heard the kid that bought it had "blown up" the transmission. The kid was a spoiled brat, and he tried to hotrod and got the transmission in 2 gears. The family owned the local scrap yard, so at under 60,000 miles, it was cut up for scrap. This was a very rare one year only U-110 Bronco with factory soft top, door inserts and soft doors. I've had this happen in 110s too, particularly when the ball socket breaks off on one linkage. However since Curt's symptoms are one way, and not both forward and back, I don't think it is the trans in 2 gears at once. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Actually, it is, which is why the shifter mechanism has some set up that prevents leaving one fork engaged while moving to another. If one of the three cables is broken, it will stay in whatever gear selected with that cable AND engage another one, causing it to lock up. Constant mesh except for the reverse idler, the shifter just engages dog clutches to select which gears transmit power, the others just free-wheel. Could just as easily be a broken shifter fork, too, doing exactly the same thing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
> On July 25, 2015 at 9:25 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Broken shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once? I was thinking more along the lines of something internal, like shift interlock or shift fork. I don't know details on Curt's car, but it's not usually possible to engage two gears at once by manipulation of the external linkages on a functional manny tranny, is it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
I sure hope so. It'd be great if it was something easy. -Curt From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Peter Frederick Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI Broken shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Broken shifter cable, leaving tranny in two gears at once? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
My Jetta is close to 270,000, 300,000 is not uncommon, there are many over 400,000. -Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"Max Dillon" Date:Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI Should last at least a few more years? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 24, 2015 9:11:50 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit. >-Curt > > From: Max Dillon >To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI > >Sounds like a money pit. Mileage? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Should last at least a few more years? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 24, 2015 9:11:50 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit. >-Curt > > From: Max Dillon >To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI > >Sounds like a money pit. Mileage? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Manual, its still got the fancy flywheel. VW Guru and I discussed the possibility of the DMF (dual mass flywheel) being the problem but can't see how it would lock up the transmission. The clutch still works, it just won't turn the wheels. -Curt From: Bob Rentfro To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI Manual or auto? If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit. -Curt From: Max Dillon To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI Sounds like a money pit. Mileage? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Oh what have I gotten myself into this time? Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went. It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely. Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay... -Curt http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Manual or auto? If an auto, check the fancy flywheel. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
But can it do this: http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-volkswagen-diesel-totally-dominate-a-ferrari-at-1719359271 Dan rollin’ coal > On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like a money pit. Mileage? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > > On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: >> Oh what have I gotten myself into this time? >> Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. >> It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like >> parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, >> engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed >> it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely >> with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few >> minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the >> look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and >> it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill >> with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and >> interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made >> sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went. >> It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential >> didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems >> unlikely. >> Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next >> week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point >> I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay... >> -Curt >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Sounds like a money pit. Mileage? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >Oh what have I gotten myself into this time? >Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. >It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like >parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, >engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed >it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely >with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few >minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the >look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and >it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill >with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and >interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made >sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went. >It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential >didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems >unlikely. >Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next >week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point >I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay... >-Curt >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time? Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went. It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely. Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
