Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:49 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Hydraulic fluid (and ATF) will make whatever hair you have lay down real nice ;) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 2, 2013, at 18:48, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Andrew, Does your wagon have the hydraulic leveling system? And if so, when were the accumulators last changed? The accumulators in my 79 300TD had lost their gas charge and it was like riding with a rigid rear suspension (hard and bumpy). Not good for the structure, either. Replacing them is a simple but messy job (working on your back with dirt and hydraulic fluid falling on you). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:10 PM ... in return for which you can help diagnose the harsh rear bumpiness. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Yep. I had t to replace one when I started hemorrhaging SLS fluid. They aren't especially cheap, either... On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott The spheres are hard line. I remember buying new hard lines for the 124 struts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Different fluids (oil here vs brake fluid), so I'm skeptical, but I did replace hoses with accumulators on both my wagons. Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 10:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Ha. So I may need another set of two NEW accumulators that bond with each other from inception (litter mates). This high maintenance cr*p is going to get expensive. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I recall a mis-matched set of used and new accumulators going in. Can't recall how many years ago it was. The advice of the list (as I remember) was that the used accumulator would shorten the life of the new one. I'm thinking thats the case here... -Curt Date: Fri, 03 May 2013 09:33:00 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 5183bc8c.20...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I had a warm goop shower. Felt REAL nice! Both accumulators were changed recently (last couple of years). I am beginning to wonder whether the hydropneumatic struts themselves are the problem. They don't leak, but I am not getting any cushioning going over potholes and there is nothing else to blame. Any way to test their resiliency (if that's the word)? The original accumulators were good for 5 years or so. The new ones are somewhat variable. The only way you'll get cushioning out of the struts is from the rubber mounts, unless there is air trapped in them somehow. I seem to recall something wrong with the way the work was done a couple of years ago but don't remember details. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:16 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: A classmate of mine in college who was an extremely gifted artist killed his mother with a hammer over one of the breaks. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I was in college a friend inadvisedly took an apartment in a very bad part of town. Not long after moving in a guy was killed by a hammer wielding assailant in the apartment next door. Apparently it took quite awhile and was quite noisy. My friend of course called the constabulary who took their sweet time in arriving as most of the occupants of the apartment building were generally considered to be scum and the hammer saved a bullet. In the next city over from me, a fellow committed suicide with a hammer. Or so the local police said. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-01-14/news/8601040400_1_diane-cooley-claw-hammer-hobart Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
True, but hoses go to the shocks. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 5:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Scott The spheres are hard line. I remember buying new hard lines for the 124 struts. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Just a thought, but is it possible for the hoses to fail (like brake hoses can) to block flow? Might be possible, but somehow I kind of doubt it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Studies indicate the gun laws in place are not used very often in some areas. In Chicago, with some of the most restrictive laws in the USA, is also the murder capital last time checked - yet it ranks 90th out of 90 federal districts when it comes to enforcement of those laws. It makes me wonder if the disarmament of the law abiding citizens isn't the main objective? that seems to be the consequence in any case. Being the murder capital (although it trades that title with DC, NYC and LA from time to time. NYC and LA rank 88th and 89th of 90 as of the latest info available. Based on the info you provided, it sounds like we need a Buy Back program for the infamous Ball Peen Hammer and a waiting period for the Claw Hammer... :-) i plan to empty my toolbox and turn mine in before they are stolen or used against me or my family... BTW, more children drown each year than are killed by firearms.. Ban bathtubs? Larryt On 4/29/2013 11:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I worked with a guy in Portland whose brother killed their dad with a hammer. Another sad case of out-of-control mental illness. We only read of the necessity to stop gun violence...as if violence is only half a word. Somehow I think that if we were to be able to address the root causes of violence it would reduce violence using ALL instruments. Getting violent criminals off the streets would be a good start. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net Studies indicate the gun laws in place are not used very often in some areas. In Chicago, with some of the most restrictive laws in the USA, is also the murder capital last time checked - yet it ranks 90th out of 90 federal districts when it comes to enforcement of those laws. It makes me wonder if the disarmament of the law abiding citizens isn't the main objective? that seems to be the consequence in any case. Being the murder capital (although it trades that title with DC, NYC and LA from time to time. NYC and LA rank 88th and 89th of 90 as of the latest info available. Based on the info you provided, it sounds like we need a Buy Back program for the infamous Ball Peen Hammer and a waiting period for the Claw Hammer... :-) i plan to empty my toolbox and turn mine in before they are stolen or used against me or my family... BTW, more children drown each year than are killed by firearms.. Ban bathtubs? Larryt On 4/29/2013 11:21 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I worked with a guy in Portland whose brother killed their dad with a hammer. Another sad case of out-of-control mental illness. We only read of the necessity to stop gun violence...as if violence is only half a word. Somehow I think that if we were to be able to address the root causes of violence it would reduce violence using ALL instruments. Getting violent criminals off the streets would be a good start. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5791 - Release Date: 05/02/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Of course he was right! Ever gone to DC? a whole region of parasites. Almost nobody that makes anything real. Hamburger flippers and construction, and auto repair people are about the only productive people in the whole area. I could not stand to be there for a few days. Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course he was right! Ever gone to DC? a whole region of parasites. Almost nobody that makes anything real. Hamburger flippers and construction, and auto repair people are about the only productive people in the whole area. I could not stand to be there for a few days. Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grnson enjoyed DC last summer; even walking to work in the heat got so it was OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course he was right! Ever gone to DC? a whole region of parasites. Almost nobody that makes anything real. Hamburger flippers and construction, and auto repair people are about the only productive people in the whole area. I could not stand to be there for a few days. Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's a moist heat - you hardly feel it. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Grnson enjoyed DC last summer; even walking to work in the heat got so it was OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course he was right! Ever gone to DC? a whole region of parasites. Almost nobody that makes anything real. Hamburger flippers and construction, and auto repair people are about the only productive people in the whole area. I could not stand to be there for a few days. Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, and he got REALLY moist walking to Afghan Embassy the first morning; went to wrong place, even after having driven the proper, fairly direct route with his dad the day before. He called his boss lady, who was late, too, but I'm sure he didn't feel very good about it and being soaking wet with perspiration, too. 'Hope it was good training, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners It's a moist heat - you hardly feel it. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Grnson enjoyed DC last summer; even walking to work in the heat got so it was OK. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course he was right! Ever gone to DC? a whole region of parasites. Almost nobody that makes anything real. Hamburger flippers and construction, and auto repair people are about the only productive people in the whole area. I could not stand to be there for a few days. Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Reminds me of my trip to the Pentagon last summer (for work). It was Sept I think and I walked to and from my hotel, about a mile. In the morning it was quite pleasant but the walk back had me totally soaked and sucking down a bottle of water on my arrival. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 12:46:06 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 12C2EB3811F34690AD589FC5E4212995@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Yeah, and he got REALLY moist walking to Afghan Embassy the first morning; went to wrong place, even after having driven the proper, fairly direct route with his dad the day before. He called his boss lady, who was late, too, but I'm sure he didn't feel very good about it and being soaking wet with perspiration, too. 'Hope it was good training, anyway. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. I thought they were known as SEIU members. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Glad to know that the oil and gun lobbyists are the only parasites in Washington. .18,000 lobbyists... 12,000 clients and 1,700 lobbying firms: Just name a company, lobbyist, lobbying firm, PAC, or issue. In moments you can find who's who, their clients, their backgrounds, and so much more. Plus, take advantage of the latest in lobbying firm earning reports now included with each profile- even find out how much clients are spending! https://www.lobbyists.info/Washington-Representatives 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Of course he was right! Ever gone to DC? a whole region of parasites. Almost nobody that makes anything real. Hamburger flippers and construction, and auto repair people are about the only productive people in the whole area. I could not stand to be there for a few days. Makes one wonder if Frank Lloyd Wright might have been right when he said that big cities are parasites feeding on the countryside. Gerrywho prefers small towns. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5791 - Release Date: 05/02/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. DC is like a mountainfull of rocks tied to a hot air balloon Lots of hot air, but nothing really happens. DC is full of rock, that is fer sure! And a lot of hoya. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry - Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I welcome all you naysayers to visit and spend your hard earned dollars to boost our tax base. That is, if you have anything left after paying all your taxes. Seriously, book a cheap hotel through Priceline (bid no more than $60 for a 3 or 3.5 star) and enjoy free wine tastings, galleries, museums, lectures, and embassy receptions. You will have a fun weeknd without paying much. Try and find a bad restaurant - I dare you will succeed. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry --**--- Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe, we'll bunk at Strasfogel Manor and even have a loaner MB to drive and pepper jelly, etc., on toast for brkfst. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners I welcome all you naysayers to visit and spend your hard earned dollars to boost our tax base. That is, if you have anything left after paying all your taxes. Seriously, book a cheap hotel through Priceline (bid no more than $60 for a 3 or 3.5 star) and enjoy free wine tastings, galleries, museums, lectures, and embassy receptions. You will have a fun weeknd without paying much. Try and find a bad restaurant - I dare you will succeed. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry --**--- Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like a great business model! On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:04 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Maybe, we'll bunk at Strasfogel Manor and even have a loaner MB to drive and pepper jelly, etc., on toast for brkfst. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners I welcome all you naysayers to visit and spend your hard earned dollars to boost our tax base. That is, if you have anything left after paying all your taxes. Seriously, book a cheap hotel through Priceline (bid no more than $60 for a 3 or 3.5 star) and enjoy free wine tastings, galleries, museums, lectures, and embassy receptions. You will have a fun weeknd without paying much. Try and find a bad restaurant - I dare you will succeed. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry ----- Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I always enjoyed my visits to DC. They gave me a chance to visit my father's grave at Arlington. When I was in college (UVa in the 60s), DC was a good place to visit for a good restaurant and cheaper booze. The metastatic growth since that time is hard to believe. Parasites IMO. I have to wonder how much the representatives can represent their constituents with so much exposure to professional advocates of special interests. If you haven't been, the Udvar-Hazey Smithsonian extension (at south end of Dulles airport) is quite worthwhile for aviation buffs. My TPS class (77A) had an impromptu reunion there a few years back and everyone enjoyed it. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My son is a Hoya and I am sending LOTS of money your way, both to Gtown and to Unkie. That earns me a voice. --R On 5/2/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I welcome all you naysayers to visit and spend your hard earned dollars to boost our tax base. That is, if you have anything left after paying all your taxes. Seriously, book a cheap hotel through Priceline (bid no more than $60 for a 3 or 3.5 star) and enjoy free wine tastings, galleries, museums, lectures, and embassy receptions. You will have a fun weeknd without paying much. Try and find a bad restaurant - I dare you will succeed. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry --**--- Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That earns you a renewal of my standing offer for a free happy hour b**r. Maybe even a chauffered ride in a 330,000 mile Mercedes wagon, in return for which you can help diagnose the harsh rear bumpiness. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: My son is a Hoya and I am sending LOTS of money your way, both to Gtown and to Unkie. That earns me a voice. --R On 5/2/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I welcome all you naysayers to visit and spend your hard earned dollars to boost our tax base. That is, if you have anything left after paying all your taxes. Seriously, book a cheap hotel through Priceline (bid no more than $60 for a 3 or 3.5 star) and enjoy free wine tastings, galleries, museums, lectures, and embassy receptions. You will have a fun weeknd without paying much. Try and find a bad restaurant - I dare you will succeed. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry ----- Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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George Mason wondered the same long before anybody thought of professional advocates. Those gentlemen, who will be elected senators, will fix themselves in the federal town, and become citizens of that town more than of your state. --George Mason, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788 Scott Ritchey wrote: I have to wonder how much the representatives can represent their constituents with so much exposure to professional advocates of special interests. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Been dere, done dat. Like I said, NO SHORTAGE of HOYA! Could not get outa that hole fast enough! Not even smithsonion could hold my attention. Nothin there I saw I hadn't already seen in pitchers. Den of thieves! I welcome all you naysayers to visit and spend your hard earned dollars to boost our tax base. That is, if you have anything left after paying all your taxes. Seriously, book a cheap hotel through Priceline (bid no more than $60 for a 3 or 3.5 star) and enjoy free wine tastings, galleries, museums, lectures, and embassy receptions. You will have a fun weeknd without paying much. Try and find a bad restaurant - I dare you will succeed. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: 435 senators and representatives in Congress and 18,000 lobbyists? That's over 41 lobbyists for each senator and representative. Interesting! Gerry --**--- Best goobermnt money can buy. No shortage of hoya either. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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George Mason wondered the same long before anybody thought of professional advocates. Those gentlemen, who will be elected senators, will fix themselves in the federal town, and become citizens of that town more than of your state. --George Mason, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, 1788 Hear Hear! Or they could be like Tom Turkey and live in the Bahamas with all the money he and wifey ruth(less) have stolen. (except for one annual visit to the constituency) Both Georges (W and M) had it right, as did most of the other signers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What? ACORN after it's many name changes to hide illegal acts doesn't even get honorable mention?? O.. the inhumanity of it !! The racist word is just tickling my lips at the thought... On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: DC rocks and is one of the most livable cities in the world, though it's true we have our share of parasites. They are otherwise known as gun industry and oil industry lobbyists. I thought they were known as SEIU members. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew, Does your wagon have the hydraulic leveling system? And if so, when were the accumulators last changed? The accumulators in my 79 300TD had lost their gas charge and it was like riding with a rigid rear suspension (hard and bumpy). Not good for the structure, either. Replacing them is a simple but messy job (working on your back with dirt and hydraulic fluid falling on you). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:10 PM ... in return for which you can help diagnose the harsh rear bumpiness. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hydraulic fluid (and ATF) will make whatever hair you have lay down real nice ;) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 2, 2013, at 18:48, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Andrew, Does your wagon have the hydraulic leveling system? And if so, when were the accumulators last changed? The accumulators in my 79 300TD had lost their gas charge and it was like riding with a rigid rear suspension (hard and bumpy). Not good for the structure, either. Replacing them is a simple but messy job (working on your back with dirt and hydraulic fluid falling on you). Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 4:10 PM ... in return for which you can help diagnose the harsh rear bumpiness. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, we can all agree that violence is universal and can take many forms. I suggest we move on to other topics related to our mission. Tires, for example (note the quaint northern spelling). I ordered 4 Kumhos for my 1985 300TD. They were hard to find in a 195X14 and had to be shipped in from Indiana. They will be mounted on four alloys (bundts) that I refinished all by myself (!) so the car ought to be presentable at the upcoming MB Club concours. Andrew 1983 300 TD (rust repaired on the rear quarter glass area) 1985 300TD (diamond blue/recently repainted) On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: Axes are used in some parts of the world. On Monday, April 29, 2013, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I worked with a guy in Portland whose brother killed their dad with a hammer. Another sad case of out-of-control mental illness. We only read of the necessity to stop gun violence...as if violence is only half a word. Somehow I think that if we were to be able to address the root causes of violence it would reduce violence using ALL instruments. Getting violent criminals off the streets would be a good start. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He opened the door and there she stood with a pair of 44s. She also had a gun. --R On 4/29/13 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 29/04/2013 2:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. We had one locally, a long time ago, where the wife did the husband in with a gas can and a lighter while he slept. Farrah Fawcett starred in a movie about her. She was found not guilty due to battered women's syndrome, establishing a new body of case law. He beat her, so she waited for him to pass out and made BBQ husband, burning the entire house in the process. A year after Mrs. Hughes' non-conviction, another abused spouse in Michigan shot her man while he was beating her instead of waiting for him to go to sleep. She was convicted. I always wondered if it was because she had too much melanin or because she used an evil scary gun. I do seem to recall that her attorney tried to use the Hughes defense. Mitch. ___ I would guess that each case turned on its facts and that the woman who lit her husband on fire had more and perhaps better evidence of her long term suffering and mental state when she did it. On the other hand she may have just encountered a more sympathetic jury. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Never understood some mens fascination with 44s and such. What do you do with more than a handful? The only explanation must be that they were deprived of natural nourishment as babies. Several who were well endowed have told me that it's no fun being top heavy. Gerry From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net He opened the door and there she stood with a pair of 44s. She also had a gun. --R On 4/29/13 4:28 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 29/04/2013 2:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. We had one locally, a long time ago, where the wife did the husband in with a gas can and a lighter while he slept. Farrah Fawcett starred in a movie about her. She was found not guilty due to battered women's syndrome, establishing a new body of case law. He beat her, so she waited for him to pass out and made BBQ husband, burning the entire house in the process. A year after Mrs. Hughes' non-conviction, another abused spouse in Michigan shot her man while he was beating her instead of waiting for him to go to sleep. She was convicted. I always wondered if it was because she had too much melanin or because she used an evil scary gun. I do seem to recall that her attorney tried to use the Hughes defense. Mitch. ___ I would guess that each case turned on its facts and that the woman who lit her husband on fire had more and perhaps better evidence of her long term suffering and mental state when she did it. On the other hand she may have just encountered a more sympathetic jury. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5783 - Release Date: 04/29/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: A local guy attacked his girlfriend/shackup with a hammer a couple days ago. We must ban hammers! Hammers kill. If we can save just one child...it will all be worth it. Here is the case for hammer control: A single consumer product holds our nation hostage: the hammer. We live our lives in the shadow of the unparalleled lethality of these easily concealed hammers. This permanent state of fear has become so accepted that we rarely even acknowledge it. where hammers are routinely portrayed as effective self-defense tools posing little risk to the user. Although these claims are not borne out by the facts, they live on. At the same time, hammer violence itself is sanitized by the media. The damage inflicted on a human being by a hammer head entering the body is uniquely traumatic. An August 2012 article in the Commonwealth Medical Journal offered this dry description of the forces at work when a hammer enters human flesh: As a hammer passes along its track in the body, it lacerates and damages tissues by doing work on them-that is, by transferring to the tissues the kinetic energy it is carrying. An equal and opposite amount of work is done on the hammer by the tissues. Where along the track this work is done is determined, in part, by the construction of the hammer. But this clinical description cannot convey the destructive capacity of a single hammer. A 2010 Los Angeles Blather article describing the effect of two hits from a 16 oz. claw hammer offers a more complete picture: The first hammer strike, went into his chest angling down. It fractured the fifth rib on the way in, bored through both lobes of the left lung, and fractured the seventh rib on the way. Not always a fatal woundThe killer was the second hit. It hit the bone and cartilage of the sternum. That flattened a little, increasing its diameter and widening the wound channel it punched through the left ventricle chamberThe hammer left the heart, and went into the left lung. In its passage, the hammer stretched and displaced for milliseconds the heart muscles, valves and chambers, forming what trauma surgeons know as the `temporary cavity.' It created a temporary space the size of a baseball Not surprisingly, the injuries stemming from the wound ballistics described above bear little resemblance to the hammer violence portrayed on television and in the movies. Rarely, if ever, are viewers exposed to the physical trauma of real-life hammer victims: disfiguring injury and long-term disability. Fear, physical pain, and death are just part of the price Americans pay for the easy access of hammers. This is because the hammer bought for Do-it yourself projects is far more likely to be used against the owner or someone known to the owner-in a homicide (usually as the result of an argument), a suicide, or an unintentional strike than in legitimate home improvement . Contrary to popular perception, most hammer deaths are not crime related. Most of 1997's estimated hammer death toll of 21,311 people were either suicides or homicides resulting from arguments between people who knew one another. In fact, it is estimated that less than 7.5 percent of all hammer deaths are felony-related. According to 1997 federal government statistics, for every time a citizen used a hammer to justifiably kill a stranger in self-defense, an estimated 109 lives were lost in hammer homicides, suicides, and unintentional hammer strikes. America's hammer-control movement knows that the most effective approach to reducing hammer death and injury would be to ban these weapons. Yet few today are willing to publicly support such a measure. From the 1960s to the early 1980s, a national hammer ban was an accepted policy goal that hammer-control advocates supported and defended. Yet, by the late 1980s and early 1990s, most of America's hammer control movement, bowing to political reality, had moved away from the issue. Buffeted by the winds of opinion polls, the guiding principal became not what would work most effectively, but what would sell to the general public most easily. Fearful of becoming enmeshed in the hammer lobby's slippery slope argument (that any hammer control, no matter how limited, is the first step toward total hammer confiscation), many actively voiced their opposition to a hammer ban, warning that ban proponents would marginalize the entire movement. They could offer no proof of this claim-yet the argument took hold. What might have been defended as a short-term political strategy in the 1980s makes little sense in the new millennium. The 1990s reshaped the way Americans view hammer violence. In the early 1990s, America's cities were torn apart by a
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Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? Don't know. I thought the fact that the hammer attacker bled to death from being cut up was somehow just.BTW, I borrowed all that long winded blather from some anti gun freak just to illustrate the stupidity of it all. The point is that since Cain and Able, murder happens. The weapon matters little. THe jawbone of an ass, or a sling or a wrench or whatever. people will grab whatever they find handy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. We had one locally, a long time ago, where the wife did the husband in with a gas can and a lighter while he slept. Farrah Fawcett starred in a movie about her. She was found not guilty due to battered women's syndrome, establishing a new body of case law. He beat her, so she waited for him to pass out and made BBQ husband, burning the entire house in the process. A year after Mrs. Hughes' non-conviction, another abused spouse in Michigan shot her man while he was beating her instead of waiting for him to go to sleep. She was convicted. I always wondered if it was because she had too much melanin or because she used an evil scary gun. I do seem to recall that her attorney tried to use the Hughes defense. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 29/04/2013 2:37 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. We had one locally, a long time ago, where the wife did the husband in with a gas can and a lighter while he slept. Farrah Fawcett starred in a movie about her. She was found not guilty due to battered women's syndrome, establishing a new body of case law. He beat her, so she waited for him to pass out and made BBQ husband, burning the entire house in the process. A year after Mrs. Hughes' non-conviction, another abused spouse in Michigan shot her man while he was beating her instead of waiting for him to go to sleep. She was convicted. I always wondered if it was because she had too much melanin or because she used an evil scary gun. I do seem to recall that her attorney tried to use the Hughes defense. Mitch. ___ I would guess that each case turned on its facts and that the woman who lit her husband on fire had more and perhaps better evidence of her long term suffering and mental state when she did it. On the other hand she may have just encountered a more sympathetic jury. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A West Kildonan man convicted of the brutal murder of his wife three years ago was sentenced to life in prison with no eligibility for parole for 10 years. Justice Karen Simonsen said she was satisfied Miloslav Kapsik, 64, was suffering from some degree of mental illness when he killed his wife and should be considered for parole after 10 years. Crown prosecutor Jennifer Mann had argued Kapsik should serve 14 years before being eligible for parole. Defence counsel Greg Brodsky had argued unsuccessfully during trial in March the evidence of two forensic psychiatrists concluded he should be found not criminally responsible and be sent to a secure psychiatric facility. Kapsik and his wife, Ludmila, then 59, were watching a Saturday-night hockey game in their Jefferson Avenue apartment in late March 2010, when he attacked her with a hammer, striking her 40 times in the arms and hands and 60 to 70 times in the head, chasing her around their apartment as she tried to fend off the blows. After the attack, Kapsik cleaned himself up and then called 911 and waited for police. Kapsik had no explanation for the attack and did not testify at trial but court was told he had been suffering from mental illness and hearing voices. The couple had been married for 36 years and there was no history of abuse or violence. The couple have no children. -- staff Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition April 18, 2013 A8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So, watching hockey can sure get a guy revved up eh? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was in college a friend inadvisedly took an apartment in a very bad part of town. Not long after moving in a guy was killed by a hammer wielding assailant in the apartment next door. Apparently it took quite awhile and was quite noisy. My friend of course called the constabulary who took their sweet time in arriving as most of the occupants of the apartment building were generally considered to be scum and the hammer saved a bullet. The police advised my friend to move out at once, my friend thought that idea was a good'un. Landlord didn't even mind him breaking the lease. -Curt Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:13:03 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 517ec63f.4030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A classmate of mine in college who was an extremely gifted artist killed his mother with a hammer over one of the breaks. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: When I was in college a friend inadvisedly took an apartment in a very bad part of town. Not long after moving in a guy was killed by a hammer wielding assailant in the apartment next door. Apparently it took quite awhile and was quite noisy. My friend of course called the constabulary who took their sweet time in arriving as most of the occupants of the apartment building were generally considered to be scum and the hammer saved a bullet. The police advised my friend to move out at once, my friend thought that idea was a good'un. Landlord didn't even mind him breaking the lease. -Curt Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:13:03 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners Message-ID: 517ec63f.4030...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I worked with a guy in Portland whose brother killed their dad with a hammer. Another sad case of out-of-control mental illness. We only read of the necessity to stop gun violence...as if violence is only half a word. Somehow I think that if we were to be able to address the root causes of violence it would reduce violence using ALL instruments. Getting violent criminals off the streets would be a good start. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Axes are used in some parts of the world. On Monday, April 29, 2013, Greg Fiorentino wrote: I worked with a guy in Portland whose brother killed their dad with a hammer. Another sad case of out-of-control mental illness. We only read of the necessity to stop gun violence...as if violence is only half a word. Somehow I think that if we were to be able to address the root causes of violence it would reduce violence using ALL instruments. Getting violent criminals off the streets would be a good start. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com javascript:;] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor. BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun homicides? We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer. Don't know if he had a gun. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
A local guy attacked his girlfriend/shackup with a hammer a couple days ago. We must ban hammers! Hammers kill. If we can save just one child...it will all be worth it. Here is the case for hammer control: A single consumer product holds our nation hostage: the hammer. We live our lives in the shadow of the unparalleled lethality of these easily concealed hammers. This permanent state of fear has become so accepted that we rarely even acknowledge it. where hammers are routinely portrayed as effective self-defense tools posing little risk to the user. Although these claims are not borne out by the facts, they live on. At the same time, hammer violence itself is sanitized by the media. The damage inflicted on a human being by a hammer head entering the body is uniquely traumatic. An August 2012 article in the Commonwealth Medical Journal offered this dry description of the forces at work when a hammer enters human flesh: As a hammer passes along its track in the body, it lacerates and damages tissues by doing work on them-that is, by transferring to the tissues the kinetic energy it is carrying. An equal and opposite amount of work is done on the hammer by the tissues. Where along the track this work is done is determined, in part, by the construction of the hammer. But this clinical description cannot convey the destructive capacity of a single hammer. A 2010 Los Angeles Blather article describing the effect of two hits from a 16 oz. claw hammer offers a more complete picture: The first hammer strike, went into his chest angling down. It fractured the fifth rib on the way in, bored through both lobes of the left lung, and fractured the seventh rib on the way. Not always a fatal woundThe killer was the second hit. It hit the bone and cartilage of the sternum. That flattened a little, increasing its diameter and widening the wound channel it punched through the left ventricle chamberThe hammer left the heart, and went into the left lung. In its passage, the hammer stretched and displaced for milliseconds the heart muscles, valves and chambers, forming what trauma surgeons know as the `temporary cavity.' It created a temporary space the size of a baseball Not surprisingly, the injuries stemming from the wound ballistics described above bear little resemblance to the hammer violence portrayed on television and in the movies. Rarely, if ever, are viewers exposed to the physical trauma of real-life hammer victims: disfiguring injury and long-term disability. Fear, physical pain, and death are just part of the price Americans pay for the easy access of hammers. This is because the hammer bought for Do-it yourself projects is far more likely to be used against the owner or someone known to the owner-in a homicide (usually as the result of an argument), a suicide, or an unintentional strike than in legitimate home improvement . Contrary to popular perception, most hammer deaths are not crime related. Most of 1997's estimated hammer death toll of 21,311 people were either suicides or homicides resulting from arguments between people who knew one another. In fact, it is estimated that less than 7.5 percent of all hammer deaths are felony-related. According to 1997 federal government statistics, for every time a citizen used a hammer to justifiably kill a stranger in self-defense, an estimated 109 lives were lost in hammer homicides, suicides, and unintentional hammer strikes. America's hammer-control movement knows that the most effective approach to reducing hammer death and injury would be to ban these weapons. Yet few today are willing to publicly support such a measure. From the 1960s to the early 1980s, a national hammer ban was an accepted policy goal that hammer-control advocates supported and defended. Yet, by the late 1980s and early 1990s, most of America's hammer control movement, bowing to political reality, had moved away from the issue. Buffeted by the winds of opinion polls, the guiding principal became not what would work most effectively, but what would sell to the general public most easily. Fearful of becoming enmeshed in the hammer lobby's slippery slope argument (that any hammer control, no matter how limited, is the first step toward total hammer confiscation), many actively voiced their opposition to a hammer ban, warning that ban proponents would marginalize the entire movement. They could offer no proof of this claim-yet the argument took hold. What might have been defended as a short-term political strategy in the 1980s makes little sense in the new millennium. The 1990s reshaped the way Americans view hammer violence. In the early 1990s, America's cities were torn apart by a flood of new, high-capacity semiautomatic pistols that put unprecedented killing power into the hands of warring drug gangs, organized criminals, marginalized youths, and ordinary law-abiding citizens. By 1993 the hammer death
