Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
How can you prove it is not male? It deleted all the mail on its server once a request for them was made by Dept. of State clay On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I encourage all you troglodytes to maintain your high standards and BOYCOTT > the 2016 election, thereby increasing the odds of our achieving a first > female president. :) > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < > arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > >> Bill wasn't president very long before Hillary tried to ram through her >> version of Obamacare. Hillary has too much of that sort of political >> baggage. If the Dems run her, the outcome is predictable. >> Warren would have a far better chance since few people know anything about >> her outside of the northeast and Washington. >> However, since the Supreme Court has allowed foreign individuals, >> corporations, and governments to contribute to U.S. political campaigns, >> the party with the biggest war chest will probably win if they spend it >> wisely. >> Gerry...who longs for a middle-of-the-road party. >> >> Andrew wrote: >> >>> If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that?...snip >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Wow, that is one SERIOUS crime. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Her chances of getting the nomination? A snowball in hell comes to mind >> > > I thought you were talking about "I can't contend with 2 email accounts" > pillary. (a few days after she was bragging about all the handheld > devices she has.) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Her chances of getting the nomination? A snowball in hell comes to mind I thought you were talking about "I can't contend with 2 email accounts" pillary. (a few days after she was bragging about all the handheld devices she has.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Her chances of getting the nomination? A snowball in hell comes to mind On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > Andrew sez: > > >thereby increasing the odds of >our achieving a first > >female president. :) > > Has Condoleezza Rice announced? > > Rick > Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Andrew sez: >thereby increasing the odds of >our achieving a first >female president. :) Has Condoleezza Rice announced? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Yep, 'nother goodun, G! Wilton - Original Message - From: "G Mann" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Troglodytes, teabaggers.. any other denigrating invectives you wish to throw out? Really, I urge you to keep it civil. I thought we had grown past the use of such terminology with the constructive destruction of the KKK and implementation of civil rights. I am stunned at the continued use of such terms of derision by the very liberal progressive persons who so quickly use the term "racist" at the mere hint of anything less than "political correctness". I would welcome constructive thoughts on how to do what is best for America. Besides.. I've thrown my full support to the Charlie Sheen / Paris Hilton ticket for 2016... Country is going to hell, may as well elect a team that knows the way. Grant... On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I encourage all you troglodytes to maintain your high standards and BOYCOTT the 2016 election, thereby increasing the odds of our achieving a first female president. :) On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > Bill wasn't president very long before Hillary tried to ram through her > version of Obamacare. Hillary has too much of that sort of political > baggage. If the Dems run her, the outcome is predictable. > Warren would have a far better chance since few people know anything about > her outside of the northeast and Washington. > However, since the Supreme Court has allowed foreign individuals, > corporations, and governments to contribute to U.S. political > campaigns, > the party with the biggest war chest will probably win if they spend it > wisely. > Gerry...who longs for a middle-of-the-road party. > > Andrew wrote: > > > If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? > > >> > > > > > > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that?...snip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Troglodytes, teabaggers.. any other denigrating invectives you wish to throw out? Really, I urge you to keep it civil. I thought we had grown past the use of such terminology with the constructive destruction of the KKK and implementation of civil rights. I am stunned at the continued use of such terms of derision by the very liberal progressive persons who so quickly use the term "racist" at the mere hint of anything less than "political correctness". I would welcome constructive thoughts on how to do what is best for America. Besides.. I've thrown my full support to the Charlie Sheen / Paris Hilton ticket for 2016... Country is going to hell, may as well elect a team that knows the way. Grant... On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I encourage all you troglodytes to maintain your high standards and BOYCOTT > the 2016 election, thereby increasing the odds of our achieving a first > female president. :) > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < > arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > Bill wasn't president very long before Hillary tried to ram through her > > version of Obamacare. Hillary has too much of that sort of political > > baggage. If the Dems run her, the outcome is predictable. > > Warren would have a far better chance since few people know anything > about > > her outside of the northeast and Washington. > > However, since the Supreme Court has allowed foreign individuals, > > corporations, and governments to contribute to U.S. political campaigns, > > the party with the biggest war chest will probably win if they spend it > > wisely. > > Gerry...who longs for a middle-of-the-road party. > > > > Andrew wrote: > > > > > If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? > > > >> > > > > > > > > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that?...snip > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Serious question here: Why do you think Hillary! should be president? Skills, qualifications, achievements, vision, style, etc., the kinds of things a CEO would be assessed on if being interviewed to lead a large company. --R On 3/29/15 11:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: encourage all you troglodytes to maintain your high standards and BOYCOTT the 2016 election, thereby increasing the odds of our achieving a first female president.:) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
I encourage all you troglodytes to maintain your high standards and BOYCOTT the 2016 election, thereby increasing the odds of our achieving a first female president. :) On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 2:53 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com < arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote: > Bill wasn't president very long before Hillary tried to ram through her > version of Obamacare. Hillary has too much of that sort of political > baggage. If the Dems run her, the outcome is predictable. > Warren would have a far better chance since few people know anything about > her outside of the northeast and Washington. > However, since the Supreme Court has allowed foreign individuals, > corporations, and governments to contribute to U.S. political campaigns, > the party with the biggest war chest will probably win if they spend it > wisely. > Gerry...who longs for a middle-of-the-road party. > > Andrew wrote: > > > If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? > > >> > > > > > > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that?...snip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Bill wasn't president very long before Hillary tried to ram through her version of Obamacare. Hillary has too much of that sort of political baggage. If the Dems run her, the outcome is predictable. Warren would have a far better chance since few people know anything about her outside of the northeast and Washington. However, since the Supreme Court has allowed foreign individuals, corporations, and governments to contribute to U.S. political campaigns, the party with the biggest war chest will probably win if they spend it wisely. Gerry...who longs for a middle-of-the-road party. Andrew wrote: > If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? > >> > > > > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that?...snip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
GMANN sez: Jeb has not shown he has an "A" game to me. Neither has any of the others who show interest in the job. I think jebs main interest is in not allowing dad and Brother to have a notch he doesn't have. Therefore his primary motive is ego boost. NOT the right motivation IMHO. In the fall of 2016, if the nominees are a bush and a liar, I will either abstain or vote for a third party candidate, or write in mickey mouse if all candidates are worse than mickey mouse. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Thank you for the question. The only real vote I would cast for any of the current crop of POTUS hopefuls would be as a member of the jury that has heard the full details of their collective criminal violations of law while abusing the public trust. So, in this hypothetical, I would vote. Andrew, just for the record, I consider myself almost exactly in the center.. between Atala the Hun, and Vlad the Impaler... so I'm a "middle of the road voter"... The only hemp I own is in the form of 3/4 inch rope.. and I have a good supply of that.. I also own my own full size functional razor sharp Guillotine. Since 1731, my family has served in every military action this country has entered into, including 1776. Over the generations of family we have gathered two CMH, numerous silver and bronze stars, more purple hearts than we wanted [dads brother gathered 7 in the Pacific island campaign as a Marine] as well as numerous other medals for serving this country with honor. We claim graduates from every military academy, one president [mothers side of the house], and several who have held public office as civilians.. The closest any of the family has come to prison is one Uncle who served as a Chaplin at Leavenworth Prison facility. So, I believe I have "skin in the game" in what happens to this country, and I'm not pleased with current direction the country is being taken over the past 40 years. Who ever serves next as POTUS had better bring his "A" game.. and the "A" better stand for "America" and what's best for it. Jeb has not shown he has an "A" game to me. Neither has any of the others who show interest in the job. On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > So would you vote for Jeb? > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:10 PM, G Mann wrote: > > > By all appearances and actions, displayed by Mrs. Clinton [in this > example] > > there is a presumption of privilege by those in office, which is taken to > > mean, by actions, the law does not apply to them personally. Further, > that > > any act done, for any purpose of their design, is above censure or > > punishment. This attitude now carries equally to either dominate > political > > party with few exceptions. > > > > As a Citizen of America [Natural Born, for any who care] such attitude by > > people who hold office with the responsibility to represent me, and other > > Citizens, is insulting in the highest possible degree. > > > > We are a civilized nation with laws that apply to everyone equally, or > none > > apply to any. On hypothetical principle, since they choose to breach the > > law, then law has no standing to the rest of the Citizens. Thus, on > > hypothetical principle, if those Citizens choose to no longer be governed > > by law either, it's an equal playing field. > > > > I do wonder if these self appointed royalty with presumed privilege ever > > thought that all the way through? In the words of a certain French > royal, > > when the French didn't use white flags but Guillotines.. "Let them eat > > cake"... hmm > > > > I'm no prophet.. but I can predict.. and I predict soon rather than > > later... Americans in general will reach the threshold where they have > had > > enough. What form that takes might take the services of a prophet, > because > > my prediction has a lot of people saying as their last words "O God". > > > > Respectfully, > > Grant... > > > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Mitch Haley > > wrote: > > > > > Mrs Clinton knows that mere laws do not apply to administration > > officials. > > > And they will not apply to administration officials until we see > > > administration > > > officials sentenced to prison for violating them. > > > (actually, a prison sentence is probably useless too, the President > would > > > just > > > issue a pardon) > > > Mitch. > > > > > > > On March 27, 2015 at 11:55 PM G Mann wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, however, I'm just an American Citizen who, like a large > > > > percentage of other American Citizens, is shocked and dismayed at the > > > > repeat offenses committed by the elected officials and those who they > > > > appoint. > > > > > > > > I feel moved to point out, as example, the latest action by Mrs. > > Clinton > > > > regards the use of a private email server to conduct state business. > > She > > > is > > > > an attorney, so it is not presumptive that her duty to know the law > > > stands > > > > at a greater standard than "Joe Citizen", yet, for reasons yet > > explained, > > > > she violated the Federal law which requires open records of Sec of > > State > > > > actions. Then, when Congress subpenaed her records, she first > delayed, > > > then > > > > gave them printed copies of what she decided they should have, not > the > > > > whole record. Now, yet another Congressional subpena was issued for > the > > > > hard drive and it's announced that she scrubbed the drive.. again > > without > > > > any authority to do so, and in violation of the subpena.
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
If it's Jeb vs. Hillary a buck says you pull the lever for Jeb. On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? >> > > Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that? It will be a big > seller. 75 million i bet could be sold online! At a buck each, you could > restore your cars to now and have a stable of 300SLs, a 300SEL flop top > and plenty other toys! > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Mitch wrote: > There's a growing 'I will not comply' movement out there. I hope that grows to critical mass. But what is the objective? What are stated goals? Meaningless goals / objectives become hard to put your life on the line. Jobs? Social Security? Education? Income gap? - all the normal blah blah? Or can this 'movement' arrive at some clear stated objectives / goals? It seems it is currently people without much to do, finding tv to be stupid, etc. So, go out and stand in front of cops - to what end? I doubt critical mass will form. Certainly not religious folks supporting Cruz. Tell me more, please. I need to see and imagine some better hope. I think the empire is doomed to cheap - everything. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Mountain Man wrote: Grant wrote: The real question I have unanswered is... how long before the Citizens stand up and start to say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore" ? That's not gonna happen. What is there do if we stood up and spoke? Speech doesn't accomplish anything. Guns kill. There's a growing 'I will not comply' movement out there. People who will assemble in groups, openly defy whatever senseless law they are protesting, right in front of the cops, and say 'if you want to stop us, you can shoot us, but we'll shoot back'. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Grant wrote: > The real question I have unanswered is... how long before the Citizens > stand up and start to say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this > anymore" ? That's not gonna happen. What is there do if we stood up and spoke? Speech doesn't accomplish anything. Guns kill. The vote is another 2 years away. Options are very slim. We need some good DIY Marshall type ideas about how to put this empire back to good working condition. Otherwise, this empire is dead. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I think we (and I really mean the media) worry about it too much. If he/she was born:A. To an American parentorB. On US soiland has never had citizenship in another country then he/she is American, easy as that. We should probably have a constitutional amendment that says so, get all this foolishness over with once and for all, its just a distraction. I think we need to do away with the 'anchor baby' concept. The fact that somebody can be illegally in the country for an hour and their child be a lawful citizen if born during that hour is the real embarrassment. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
andrew sez: So would you vote for Jeb? Where's my no bush sticker? Are you working on that? It will be a big seller. 75 million i bet could be sold online! At a buck each, you could restore your cars to now and have a stable of 300SLs, a 300SEL flop top and plenty other toys! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
So would you vote for Jeb? On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 2:10 PM, G Mann wrote: > By all appearances and actions, displayed by Mrs. Clinton [in this example] > there is a presumption of privilege by those in office, which is taken to > mean, by actions, the law does not apply to them personally. Further, that > any act done, for any purpose of their design, is above censure or > punishment. This attitude now carries equally to either dominate political > party with few exceptions. > > As a Citizen of America [Natural Born, for any who care] such attitude by > people who hold office with the responsibility to represent me, and other > Citizens, is insulting in the highest possible degree. > > We are a civilized nation with laws that apply to everyone equally, or none > apply to any. On hypothetical principle, since they choose to breach the > law, then law has no standing to the rest of the Citizens. Thus, on > hypothetical principle, if those Citizens choose to no longer be governed > by law either, it's an equal playing field. > > I do wonder if these self appointed royalty with presumed privilege ever > thought that all the way through? In the words of a certain French royal, > when the French didn't use white flags but Guillotines.. "Let them eat > cake"... hmm > > I'm no prophet.. but I can predict.. and I predict soon rather than > later... Americans in general will reach the threshold where they have had > enough. What form that takes might take the services of a prophet, because > my prediction has a lot of people saying as their last words "O God". > > Respectfully, > Grant... > > On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Mitch Haley > wrote: > > > Mrs Clinton knows that mere laws do not apply to administration > officials. > > And they will not apply to administration officials until we see > > administration > > officials sentenced to prison for violating them. > > (actually, a prison sentence is probably useless too, the President would > > just > > issue a pardon) > > Mitch. > > > > > On March 27, 2015 at 11:55 PM G Mann wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, however, I'm just an American Citizen who, like a large > > > percentage of other American Citizens, is shocked and dismayed at the > > > repeat offenses committed by the elected officials and those who they > > > appoint. > > > > > > I feel moved to point out, as example, the latest action by Mrs. > Clinton > > > regards the use of a private email server to conduct state business. > She > > is > > > an attorney, so it is not presumptive that her duty to know the law > > stands > > > at a greater standard than "Joe Citizen", yet, for reasons yet > explained, > > > she violated the Federal law which requires open records of Sec of > State > > > actions. Then, when Congress subpenaed her records, she first delayed, > > then > > > gave them printed copies of what she decided they should have, not the > > > whole record. Now, yet another Congressional subpena was issued for the > > > hard drive and it's announced that she scrubbed the drive.. again > without > > > any authority to do so, and in violation of the subpena. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
By all appearances and actions, displayed by Mrs. Clinton [in this example] there is a presumption of privilege by those in office, which is taken to mean, by actions, the law does not apply to them personally. Further, that any act done, for any purpose of their design, is above censure or punishment. This attitude now carries equally to either dominate political party with few exceptions. As a Citizen of America [Natural Born, for any who care] such attitude by people who hold office with the responsibility to represent me, and other Citizens, is insulting in the highest possible degree. We are a civilized nation with laws that apply to everyone equally, or none apply to any. On hypothetical principle, since they choose to breach the law, then law has no standing to the rest of the Citizens. Thus, on hypothetical principle, if those Citizens choose to no longer be governed by law either, it's an equal playing field. I do wonder if these self appointed royalty with presumed privilege ever thought that all the way through? In the words of a certain French royal, when the French didn't use white flags but Guillotines.. "Let them eat cake"... hmm I'm no prophet.. but I can predict.. and I predict soon rather than later... Americans in general will reach the threshold where they have had enough. What form that takes might take the services of a prophet, because my prediction has a lot of people saying as their last words "O God". Respectfully, Grant... On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Mrs Clinton knows that mere laws do not apply to administration officials. > And they will not apply to administration officials until we see > administration > officials sentenced to prison for violating them. > (actually, a prison sentence is probably useless too, the President would > just > issue a pardon) > Mitch. > > > On March 27, 2015 at 11:55 PM G Mann wrote: > > > > > > Thank you, however, I'm just an American Citizen who, like a large > > percentage of other American Citizens, is shocked and dismayed at the > > repeat offenses committed by the elected officials and those who they > > appoint. > > > > I feel moved to point out, as example, the latest action by Mrs. Clinton > > regards the use of a private email server to conduct state business. She > is > > an attorney, so it is not presumptive that her duty to know the law > stands > > at a greater standard than "Joe Citizen", yet, for reasons yet explained, > > she violated the Federal law which requires open records of Sec of State > > actions. Then, when Congress subpenaed her records, she first delayed, > then > > gave them printed copies of what she decided they should have, not the > > whole record. Now, yet another Congressional subpena was issued for the > > hard drive and it's announced that she scrubbed the drive.. again without > > any authority to do so, and in violation of the subpena. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Mrs Clinton knows that mere laws do not apply to administration officials. And they will not apply to administration officials until we see administration officials sentenced to prison for violating them. (actually, a prison sentence is probably useless too, the President would just issue a pardon) Mitch. Capital punishment works better. If done quickly enough, it is irreversible. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mrs Clinton knows that mere laws do not apply to administration officials. And they will not apply to administration officials until we see administration officials sentenced to prison for violating them. (actually, a prison sentence is probably useless too, the President would just issue a pardon) Mitch. > On March 27, 2015 at 11:55 PM G Mann wrote: > > > Thank you, however, I'm just an American Citizen who, like a large > percentage of other American Citizens, is shocked and dismayed at the > repeat offenses committed by the elected officials and those who they > appoint. > > I feel moved to point out, as example, the latest action by Mrs. Clinton > regards the use of a private email server to conduct state business. She is > an attorney, so it is not presumptive that her duty to know the law stands > at a greater standard than "Joe Citizen", yet, for reasons yet explained, > she violated the Federal law which requires open records of Sec of State > actions. Then, when Congress subpenaed her records, she first delayed, then > gave them printed copies of what she decided they should have, not the > whole record. Now, yet another Congressional subpena was issued for the > hard drive and it's announced that she scrubbed the drive.. again without > any authority to do so, and in violation of the subpena. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thank you, however, I'm just an American Citizen who, like a large percentage of other American Citizens, is shocked and dismayed at the repeat offenses committed by the elected officials and those who they appoint. I feel moved to point out, as example, the latest action by Mrs. Clinton regards the use of a private email server to conduct state business. She is an attorney, so it is not presumptive that her duty to know the law stands at a greater standard than "Joe Citizen", yet, for reasons yet explained, she violated the Federal law which requires open records of Sec of State actions. Then, when Congress subpenaed her records, she first delayed, then gave them printed copies of what she decided they should have, not the whole record. Now, yet another Congressional subpena was issued for the hard drive and it's announced that she scrubbed the drive.. again without any authority to do so, and in violation of the subpena. Here is someone who for some time has been the "presumed anointed candidate" for POTUS. Now, before anyone jumps on the party bandwagon for what ever party wishes to claim I just insulted them.. the leaders of the other party have committed public sin on equal scale. The real question I have unanswered is... how long before the Citizens stand up and start to say "I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore" ? History says that will happen.. it's only a matter of "when". In my personal opinion, of course. Grant... On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:27 PM, LarryT wrote: > very well put > > LarryT > 91 300D > > On 3/24/2015 11:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > >> Somewhere, in the last 239 years, we as a country shifted from being a >> Constitutional Republic to acting like a Democracy. >> >> The best description of a Democracy I've heard is: Two wolves and One >> sheep >> voting on what to eat for dinner. >> >> The best description of a Republic I've heard is: One well armed sheep >> inviting the Two wolves to eat all the grass they want for dinner. >> >> Somehow, along the way our elected representatives stop asking the >> question >> "What is best for America" and started asking only the question "What can >> I >> do to get re-elected". Regardless of the political party, the current lot >> in office have failed to do the job they were elected to do and the >> Citizens, regardless of party, are, for the most part, aware of that >> failure. >> >> If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky, it >> will come to the fox hole. >> >> If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and entering >> an uncontrolled decent. Immediate corrective action would be required, if >> we wanted to live. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Grant... >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we >>> can already see what happens when we do. >>> >>> People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based >>> on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they >>> are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on >>> the >>> ballot. >>> >>> We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians >>> themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually >>> get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they >>> have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences >>> of >>> their actions. >>> Gerry >>> .. >>> >>> Curly McLain wrote: >>> >>> Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? > Get Jokin Joe (Biteme) to run as the 3rd party. He'd probably get more votes than the queen of arKansas! He could run as a 1901 Progressive! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9374 - Release Date: 03/24/15 >>> -- >>> arche...@embarqmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess5950
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Wow, to think I didn't know that thanks to the lamestream media suppressing the Truth. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 11:27 PM, LarryT wrote: > very well put > > LarryT > 91 300D > > On 3/24/2015 11:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > >> Somewhere, in the last 239 years, we as a country shifted from being a >> Constitutional Republic to acting like a Democracy. >> >> The best description of a Democracy I've heard is: Two wolves and One >> sheep >> voting on what to eat for dinner. >> >> The best description of a Republic I've heard is: One well armed sheep >> inviting the Two wolves to eat all the grass they want for dinner. >> >> Somehow, along the way our elected representatives stop asking the >> question >> "What is best for America" and started asking only the question "What can >> I >> do to get re-elected". Regardless of the political party, the current lot >> in office have failed to do the job they were elected to do and the >> Citizens, regardless of party, are, for the most part, aware of that >> failure. >> >> If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky, it >> will come to the fox hole. >> >> If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and entering >> an uncontrolled decent. Immediate corrective action would be required, if >> we wanted to live. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Grant... >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we >>> can already see what happens when we do. >>> >>> People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based >>> on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they >>> are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on >>> the >>> ballot. >>> >>> We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians >>> themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually >>> get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they >>> have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences >>> of >>> their actions. >>> Gerry >>> .. >>> >>> Curly McLain wrote: >>> >>> Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? > Get Jokin Joe (Biteme) to run as the 3rd party. He'd probably get more votes than the queen of arKansas! He could run as a 1901 Progressive! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9374 - Release Date: 03/24/15 >>> -- >>> arche...@embarqmail.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
very well put LarryT 91 300D On 3/24/2015 11:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Somewhere, in the last 239 years, we as a country shifted from being a Constitutional Republic to acting like a Democracy. The best description of a Democracy I've heard is: Two wolves and One sheep voting on what to eat for dinner. The best description of a Republic I've heard is: One well armed sheep inviting the Two wolves to eat all the grass they want for dinner. Somehow, along the way our elected representatives stop asking the question "What is best for America" and started asking only the question "What can I do to get re-elected". Regardless of the political party, the current lot in office have failed to do the job they were elected to do and the Citizens, regardless of party, are, for the most part, aware of that failure. If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky, it will come to the fox hole. If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and entering an uncontrolled decent. Immediate corrective action would be required, if we wanted to live. Respectfully, Grant... On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we can already see what happens when we do. People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the ballot. We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of their actions. Gerry .. Curly McLain wrote: Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? Get Jokin Joe (Biteme) to run as the 3rd party. He'd probably get more votes than the queen of arKansas! He could run as a 1901 Progressive! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9374 - Release Date: 03/24/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IT was a state in 1959, but BHO was not born there. His mother was subjected to child rape there and gave birth in the land of his father. clay On Mar 27, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > Hawai'i was a state in 1961, and has been a US territory since 1900 or so. > Not very close to Kenya. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So BHO Sr. is a child rapist? Statutory at least. Inter racial mating was sort of illegal in many states at the time as well. So he is the bastard son of a pedophile rapist? clay On Mar 26, 2015, at 12:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Worthwhile to point out, Stanley Ann Dunham was 17 at time of birth, thus, > a minor under the existing law and not in possession of transferable > citizenship rights since at that time, a 17 yr. old could not legally sign > documents. > > Legally, Mr. Obama Sr. was married to another woman, thus the marriage to > Stanley Ann was null and void under existing law [then and now, bigamy is > not lawful]. Thus, there is question to be raised as to how he is shown on > the presented Hawaii document. > > Inquiring minds want answers.. but, the records are sealed.. why? > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >>> >>> >>> Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. >>> -Curt >>> >> >> THat is the party line, but there is no evidence presented. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hawai'i was a state in 1961, and has been a US territory since 1900 or so. Not very close to Kenya. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Service persons register the birth with the US Embassy or Consulate. McCain was born on US soil in the Canal Zone (Which was at the time) in a US Hospital, to US citizen parents. Still was registered at the embassy. Obama, on the other hand was born in Africa, Kenyan father, White mother. Would have been British at the time. clay On Mar 26, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had kittens > in the oven would you call them biscuits?" > He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention of > becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's an > "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. > -Curt > From: Randy Bennell > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? > Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do > not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the > USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an > American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a > permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. > > Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through > my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother > in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. > > RB > > > > On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. >> Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres >> really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots >> who questioned Obama's citizenship. >> -Curt >> >> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes List >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >> >> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >>> >>> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates >>> of the Caribbean. >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He was hatched in Canuck land, then moved to TX. clay On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. > Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really > no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who > questioned Obama's citizenship. > -Curt > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes List > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > Dan > > > >> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >> >> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates >> of the Caribbean. >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Natural born - does that mean you have to be conceived in the natural way? No turkey basters, no homosexual unions, no external wombs or baby breeder boxes? clay On Mar 26, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Why not? The constitution says "Natural born American" it doesn't say "born > on American soil" which would after all exclude John Mcain... > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the > office of President are unique to that office. > > It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique > requirements. > > But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it > make". > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. >> >> Dan >> >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes >> wrote: >>> >>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >>> >>> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from >> pirates of the Caribbean. >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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His father was a minister - he's got religion in spades. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Gerry wrote: > > P.S. Cruz got only 5% in a Quinnipiac pole compared to Walkers 17%. > > Walker seems good. > Probably no grey hair. > Cruz is no grey hair. > Dump the teabag jazz and he might do well. > Walker needs to get religion. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry wrote: > P.S. Cruz got only 5% in a Quinnipiac pole compared to Walkers 17%. Walker seems good. Probably no grey hair. Cruz is no grey hair. Dump the teabag jazz and he might do well. Walker needs to get religion. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curly wrote: > There is no teabag party. Show me one ballot that lists a candidate of the > teabag party Yeah - teabag. As in... Used and all washed out. There needs to be a new vibrant party. Ready to be full of new ideas, not just old Palin ideas. Curt? Kaleb? Someone without grey hair? Give us a millenial with ideas. The rest of us need to SHUT UP!! We need to get out of the way with our teabag ideas. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And there is no Obummer! On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > There is lots of misinformation in this thread. US Immigration and > Naturalization laws are among the most complex laws on the books. IME most > attorneys, even those specializing in Immigration law do not have a good > understanding of these laws. Here are some things I know: > > It IS in the law (the Immigration and Nationality Act) that any person born > in the US (and subject to its jurisdiction) is a US citizen. The law > further defines the US as including some outlying places such as Guam and > the Canal Zone (where McCain was born) when it was under US jurisdiction. > A > person who would not be "subject to its jurisdiction" would be, for > example, > a child born to the ambassador of a foreign country. > > The US is NOT the only country that confers citizenship on those born in > their territory. > > To lose US citizenship (generally) a person must renounce. This is a term > of art which is defined as a formal renunciation before a US consular > official. I guess the Canadian laws might be similar. > > There are actually several ways to acquire citizenship other than by birth > or naturalization. There is, for example, derivative citizenship acquired > by > a child when his parents naturalize. To make things even more complicated, > there are people who are US Nationals, but NOT citizens, such as people > born > on some Pacific islands. > > Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg > Fiorentino via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:44 PM > To: 'G Mann'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > << It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those > unique > requirements.>> > > Well! I too thought that this was the case, based on my work experience as > a former Immigration Officer/Supervisor. But recent research has revealed > to me that there is some ambiguity in the legal definition of the term > "natural born citizen". Many competent legal scholars consider any person > who is a citizen at birth, whether or not born in the US to be a "natural > born citizen". > > Greg > > -----Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann > via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:35 PM > To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the > office of President are unique to that office. > > It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique > requirements. > > But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it > make". > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/ > listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > <https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com> > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
There is lots of misinformation in this thread. US Immigration and Naturalization laws are among the most complex laws on the books. IME most attorneys, even those specializing in Immigration law do not have a good understanding of these laws. Here are some things I know: It IS in the law (the Immigration and Nationality Act) that any person born in the US (and subject to its jurisdiction) is a US citizen. The law further defines the US as including some outlying places such as Guam and the Canal Zone (where McCain was born) when it was under US jurisdiction. A person who would not be "subject to its jurisdiction" would be, for example, a child born to the ambassador of a foreign country. The US is NOT the only country that confers citizenship on those born in their territory. To lose US citizenship (generally) a person must renounce. This is a term of art which is defined as a formal renunciation before a US consular official. I guess the Canadian laws might be similar. There are actually several ways to acquire citizenship other than by birth or naturalization. There is, for example, derivative citizenship acquired by a child when his parents naturalize. To make things even more complicated, there are people who are US Nationals, but NOT citizens, such as people born on some Pacific islands. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 12:44 PM To: 'G Mann'; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? << It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements.>> Well! I too thought that this was the case, based on my work experience as a former Immigration Officer/Supervisor. But recent research has revealed to me that there is some ambiguity in the legal definition of the term "natural born citizen". Many competent legal scholars consider any person who is a citizen at birth, whether or not born in the US to be a "natural born citizen". Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:35 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it make". On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/ listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew sez: Now the Teabag party is another matter. They absolutely LOVE this guy. This is why i predict at lesat a three way race in 2016. Add Ted to the mix of Hillary (if she runs), Jeb, and possibly Bernie Sanders. There is no teabag party. Show me one ballot that lists a candidate of the teabag party I'm waiting... Besides, you were assigned to get Jokin Joe Biden to run (in his own party if he likes) Tend to that business! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > If Cruz leads the balloting in the primaries and appears headed toward the > R nomination, the Koch Bros. will fund a search that miraculaously locates > Cruz' USA birth certificate tucked away in Grandma's linen cabinet. > ... Peter Frederick wrote: > > > "There's no way he could be Canadian" -- bullfeathers, he's as Canadian as > > anyone else born in Calgary, Alberta. > > > > Unlike Obama, Cruz WAS born outside the USA. He has, believe it or not, a > > valid Canadian birth certificate, which makes him a citizen just like > > having a US birth certificate makes someone a US citizen. Curiously he > > manage to renounce said Canadian citizenship in record time -- it normally > > takes six or eight years to fully complete the process, and Conrad Black > > fought for almost 20 years to renounce his. It's not a matter of walking > > in and saying "I don't wanna be anymore". > > > > His mother also did not register his birth with a US Consular Officer, > > which is required to establish the validity of his claim to citizenship, > > and he must be a resident of the US for 14 years past the date of claim to > > be eligible to be President. Lot's of unaswered questions there, and Cruz > > certainly isn't going to do anything to clear them up, especially the data > > at which a Consular Official of some sort was notified of his birth to a US > > citizen. > > > > I have also heard, true or not, that since first generation children of > > Cuban citizens are considered Cuban citizens by Cuba and it is IMPOSSIBLE > > to renounce Cuban citizenship at the moment under the Castro goverment, > > that Cruz is a bona fide citizen of Cuba. This will definitely prevent him > > being President of the US. Papa Cruz was a Cuban citizen until the 1990s > > sometime, and in Cuban law probably still is. > > > > McCain was born outside the US, but that event occurred in a military > > hospital in the Canal Zone in Panama, considered US soil, and said birth > > was properly recorded. > > > > Lots of fodder for the speculation machine that passes for political > > discourse in the US. > > > > I do notice a deafening silence from the "birthers" who howled about Obama > > though. > > > > Peter With a Republican majority Supreme Court, Cruz will become president if he gets the nomination and wins the election. However, extremists such as Cruz are seldom nominated. A usually accurate poll shows the following: "A new Bloomberg Politics/Saint Anselm New Hampshire poll shows Jeb Bush has taken a slight lead over other potential Republican presidential candidates. When asked who they would vote for if the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary were held today, 16 percent of respondents picked the former Florida governor. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky was second with 13 percent, Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin followed with 12 percent, and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey earned 10 percent." I would think it will be either Jeb Bush or Scott Walker, the candidate favored by big business because he defeated a union; the Wisconsin Teachers Union. Of those two, I would pick Walker since Bushs conservatism is suspect in many right wing republicans minds. Gerry P.S. Cruz got only 5% in a Quinnipiac pole compared to Walkers 17%. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If Cruz leads the balloting in the primaries and appears headed toward the R nomination, the Koch Bros. will fund a search that miraculaously locates Cruz' USA birth certificate tucked away in Grandma's linen cabinet. Its been done before! Would that bother you? If so, why didn't it bother you the last time? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter sez: Unlike Obama, Cruz WAS born outside the USA. He has, believe it or not, a valid Canadian birth certificate, which makes him a citizen just like having a US birth certificate makes someone a US citizen. BZZT WRONG! Canada does not have anchor babies! NO OTHER country in the world has a law that makes a baby born to foreigners a citizen.In FACT the US of A has no such law. Anchor Baby is a practice, but there is NO such law. If you disagree, show the documentation that a foreign baby born in Canada is automatically a Canuk! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Given the outrageous, narrow minded, and highly inflammatory views of Sen. Cruz (not that there's anything wrong with that), it would be quite a leap for the Party of Lincoln to choose him as their standard bearer. Now the Teabag party is another matter. They absolutely LOVE this guy. This is why i predict at lesat a three way race in 2016. Add Ted to the mix of Hillary (if she runs), Jeb, and possibly Bernie Sanders. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > << It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those > unique > requirements.>> > > Well! I too thought that this was the case, based on my work experience as > a former Immigration Officer/Supervisor. But recent research has revealed > to me that there is some ambiguity in the legal definition of the term > "natural born citizen". Many competent legal scholars consider any person > who is a citizen at birth, whether or not born in the US to be a "natural > born citizen". > > Greg > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann > via Mercedes > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:35 PM > To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the > office of President are unique to that office. > > It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique > requirements. > > But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it > make". > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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<< It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements.>> Well! I too thought that this was the case, based on my work experience as a former Immigration Officer/Supervisor. But recent research has revealed to me that there is some ambiguity in the legal definition of the term "natural born citizen". Many competent legal scholars consider any person who is a citizen at birth, whether or not born in the US to be a "natural born citizen". Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 7:35 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it make". On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Worthwhile to point out, Stanley Ann Dunham was 17 at time of birth, thus, a minor under the existing law and not in possession of transferable citizenship rights since at that time, a 17 yr. old could not legally sign documents. Legally, Mr. Obama Sr. was married to another woman, thus the marriage to Stanley Ann was null and void under existing law [then and now, bigamy is not lawful]. Thus, there is question to be raised as to how he is shown on the presented Hawaii document. Inquiring minds want answers.. but, the records are sealed.. why? On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. >> -Curt >> > > THat is the party line, but there is no evidence presented. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican children [principally]. If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there, Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every other country. The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend here is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such things. Actually, no that is not the law. It is a custom. There is no law that confers citizenship to babies born here of furrners."There otta be a law..." ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excellent point. Pretty sure there are no newly freed slaves to be affected by that amendment remaining.. Perhaps it's usefulness has expired. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Another strange artifact of slavery. The intent (14th amendment, 1868) was > to make it clear that the freed slaves were citizens (which was pretty-much > all of them, slave trade ended in 1808). On one hand, this should be fixed > because it creates the anchor baby situation. On the other hand, this > would > not be a problem if folks still took JFK's words to heart. > > > -Original Message- > > From: G Mann > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM > > > > Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers > > Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for > > Mexican children [principally]. > > > ... > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. -Curt THat is the party line, but there is no evidence presented. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thankfully (?), he is such an over the top extremist that there is a less-than-even chance the R party won't nominate him. You are right, the R party wont nominate anyone but a liberal ala tailhook mccain or Willard. However, he does represnt mainstream Americans, and given a chance, Americans Might very well nominate him. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another strange artifact of slavery. The intent (14th amendment, 1868) was to make it clear that the freed slaves were citizens (which was pretty-much all of them, slave trade ended in 1808). On one hand, this should be fixed because it creates the anchor baby situation. On the other hand, this would not be a problem if folks still took JFK's words to heart. > -Original Message- > From: G Mann > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM > > Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers > Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for > Mexican children [principally]. > ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Easy assumption hold on.. It's the Koch brothers calling again... brb... ;)) On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J. >> McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of >> birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined >> that >> Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US >> Military, in Panama, did indeed meet the requirements of Constitution as a >> "Natural Born Citizen". >> The settled point of law being, location of birth does not impart >> Citizenship to a Citizen born to TWO American Citizens. Rather, >> Citizenship >> of the child carries via Citizenship of Parent Citizens, not their >> location >> at time of birth. >> >> Mr. B. Obama Jr. then sealed all his records, and ran for the office of >> president, while it is common knowledge that Mr. B. Obama Sr. never >> obtained US Citizenship. Thus raising the, as yet unanswered, question as >> to his exact legal status. >> >> Small point of law, but law is made of small points. This issue continues >> to be argued by both sides of the argument without proper resolution. >> Simple solution, requiring presentation of valid, certifiable documents.. >> not forthcoming. >> >> Most curious, in my personal opinion. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Grant... >> > > Hidden because there is something to hide. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J. McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined that Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US Military, in Panama, did indeed meet the requirements of Constitution as a "Natural Born Citizen". The settled point of law being, location of birth does not impart Citizenship to a Citizen born to TWO American Citizens. Rather, Citizenship of the child carries via Citizenship of Parent Citizens, not their location at time of birth. Mr. B. Obama Jr. then sealed all his records, and ran for the office of president, while it is common knowledge that Mr. B. Obama Sr. never obtained US Citizenship. Thus raising the, as yet unanswered, question as to his exact legal status. Small point of law, but law is made of small points. This issue continues to be argued by both sides of the argument without proper resolution. Simple solution, requiring presentation of valid, certifiable documents.. not forthcoming. Most curious, in my personal opinion. Respectfully, Grant... Hidden because there is something to hide. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
If Cruz leads the balloting in the primaries and appears headed toward the R nomination, the Koch Bros. will fund a search that miraculaously locates Cruz' USA birth certificate tucked away in Grandma's linen cabinet. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > "There's no way he could be Canadian" -- bullfeathers, he's as Canadian as > anyone else born in Calgary, Alberta. > > Unlike Obama, Cruz WAS born outside the USA. He has, believe it or not, a > valid Canadian birth certificate, which makes him a citizen just like > having a US birth certificate makes someone a US citizen. Curiously he > manage to renounce said Canadian citizenship in record time -- it normally > takes six or eight years to fully complete the process, and Conrad Black > fought for almost 20 years to renounce his. It's not a matter of walking > in and saying "I don't wanna be anymore". > > His mother also did not register his birth with a US Consular Officer, > which is required to establish the validity of his claim to citizenship, > and he must be a resident of the US for 14 years past the date of claim to > be eligible to be President. Lot's of unaswered questions there, and Cruz > certainly isn't going to do anything to clear them up, especially the data > at which a Consular Official of some sort was notified of his birth to a US > citizen. > > I have also heard, true or not, that since first generation children of > Cuban citizens are considered Cuban citizens by Cuba and it is IMPOSSIBLE > to renounce Cuban citizenship at the moment under the Castro goverment, > that Cruz is a bona fide citizen of Cuba. This will definitely prevent him > being President of the US. Papa Cruz was a Cuban citizen until the 1990s > sometime, and in Cuban law probably still is. > > McCain was born outside the US, but that event occurred in a military > hospital in the Canal Zone in Panama, considered US soil, and said birth > was properly recorded. > > Lots of fodder for the speculation machine that passes for political > discourse in the US. > > I do notice a deafening silence from the "birthers" who howled about Obama > though. > > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
"There's no way he could be Canadian" -- bullfeathers, he's as Canadian as anyone else born in Calgary, Alberta. Unlike Obama, Cruz WAS born outside the USA. He has, believe it or not, a valid Canadian birth certificate, which makes him a citizen just like having a US birth certificate makes someone a US citizen. Curiously he manage to renounce said Canadian citizenship in record time -- it normally takes six or eight years to fully complete the process, and Conrad Black fought for almost 20 years to renounce his. It's not a matter of walking in and saying "I don't wanna be anymore". His mother also did not register his birth with a US Consular Officer, which is required to establish the validity of his claim to citizenship, and he must be a resident of the US for 14 years past the date of claim to be eligible to be President. Lot's of unaswered questions there, and Cruz certainly isn't going to do anything to clear them up, especially the data at which a Consular Official of some sort was notified of his birth to a US citizen. I have also heard, true or not, that since first generation children of Cuban citizens are considered Cuban citizens by Cuba and it is IMPOSSIBLE to renounce Cuban citizenship at the moment under the Castro goverment, that Cruz is a bona fide citizen of Cuba. This will definitely prevent him being President of the US. Papa Cruz was a Cuban citizen until the 1990s sometime, and in Cuban law probably still is. McCain was born outside the US, but that event occurred in a military hospital in the Canal Zone in Panama, considered US soil, and said birth was properly recorded. Lots of fodder for the speculation machine that passes for political discourse in the US. I do notice a deafening silence from the "birthers" who howled about Obama though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Why couldn't even I (born in NC to parents and several grnparents all born
in NC) become a Canadian citizen? ('Cept I've shoveled more than my share
of snow and don't want it; otherwise I would consider it quite an honor.)
;<)
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes"
To: "Curt Raymond" ; "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian.
If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to
give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in
the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship.
RB
On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had
kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?"
He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no
intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So
technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of
active servicepersons.
-Curt
From: Randy Bennell
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada?
Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do
not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the
USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an
American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a
permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen.
Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through
my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother
in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship.
RB
On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born
citizen.
Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres
really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the
idiots who questioned Obama's citizenship.
-Curt
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes
To: Mercedes List
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back.
Dan
On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes
wrote:
Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian.
His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from
pirates of the Caribbean.
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Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
I always knew you were "Special" ... ;)) On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'm a natchull born lover man, I'm a hootchie cootchie man! No B! - O > child - Y... > > --R > > > > > On 3/26/15 11:37 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > >> Fair point, however, when it comes to divining what logic [if any] may be >> behind any rule made by Immigration and Naturalization Agency, I'm at a >> total loss. >> >> >> It seems much confusion exists over the term: >> "Natural Born Citizen" [as required by Constitution to be President] >> as opposed to: >> "Native Born Citizen" >> and: Naturalized Citizen" >> A person may hold ONE of those legal Citizenship status, but not Two. >> >> Case law on those points makes several days of close reading necessary and >> I invite anyone who wishes to do that. It seems to me, much of the emotion >> and argument we see over this issue is based on lack of details as to >> those >> definitions applied to the current POTUS and the possible contender POTUS. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Grant... >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Most of it is so we can tweak other countries no? >>> I'm thinking specifically of Cuba... >>> -Curt >>> >>>From: G Mann via Mercedes >>> To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >>> >>> Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers >>> Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for >>> Mexican >>> children [principally]. >>> >>> If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there, >>> Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every >>> other country. >>> >>> The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend >>> here >>> is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such >>> things. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. >>>> If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to >>>> give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children >>>> in >>>> the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. >>>> >>>> RB >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>> Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had >>>>> kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" >>>>> He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no >>>>> intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So >>>>> technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of >>>>> >>>> active >>> >>>> servicepersons. >>>>> -Curt >>>>> From: Randy Bennell >>>>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < >>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >>>>> Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in >>>>> Canada? >>>>> Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do >>>>> not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the >>>>> USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an >>>>> American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a >>>>> permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. >>>>> >>>>> Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through >>>>> my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my >>>>> mother >>>>> in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. >>>>> >>>>> RB >>>>> >>>&g
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
I would draw your attention to the status of : Native Born Citizen Natural Born Citizen [special requirement for POTUS] and Naturalized Citizen Each have specific requirements. The issue of "Natural Born Citizen" has been heard several times before the US Supreme Court and each time determined to be a Citizen born of Citizen Parents [both mother and father]. Thus a point of settled law. A child born of Mexican parents, on American soil, [so called "anchor baby"] is given Native Born Citizenship, yet by Constitutional Law, could not serve as President, yet would have full rights of Citizenship in all other matters. [Yes, I know, gets complicated quickly.] A Naturalized Citizen was born and held Citizenship in another country and after fulfilling all legal requirements, becomes "Naturalized" and would have full rights of Citizenship in all other matters, but could not hold the office of POTUS.. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Its not specific though, it says "natural born citizen" explain exactly > what that means... > I'd posit that there is "natural born citizen" and "naturalized citizen" > there are no other statuses with "citizen" in them, if you are not one you > must be the other. Thus since they were not naturalized both Cruz and Obama > are natural born citizens, the immigration status of the father plays into > it not at all. > -Curt > From: G Mann > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Well.. I could quickly agree that Mr. B. Obama Jr. father was "unknown" if > presented with a verifiable birth certificate that so stated.. Which I have > not. > > Again, the Constitution requires very specific Citizenship of the office > of President. Thus the basis of this discussion, which I hope will remain > civil. > > Respectfully, > > Grant... > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > In 2008 Hilary and Obama co-sponsored a bill that specifically said McCain > was an American citizen, shut your rabble rousing. > http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/ > > > Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. I'm pretty > sure being born on American soil to an American parent makes you an > American no matter the nationality of his father, in fact the father > shouldn't even enter into it. If the father were "unknown" we wouldn't be > having this discussion... > -Curt > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
I think we (and I really mean the media) worry about it too much. If he/she was born:A. To an American parentorB. On US soiland has never had citizenship in another country then he/she is American, easy as that. We should probably have a constitutional amendment that says so, get all this foolishness over with once and for all, its just a distraction. -Curt From: G Mann To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Fair point, however, when it comes to divining what logic [if any] may be behind any rule made by Immigration and Naturalization Agency, I'm at a total loss. It seems much confusion exists over the term: "Natural Born Citizen" [as required by Constitution to be President] as opposed to: "Native Born Citizen" and: Naturalized Citizen" A person may hold ONE of those legal Citizenship status, but not Two. Case law on those points makes several days of close reading necessary and I invite anyone who wishes to do that. It seems to me, much of the emotion and argument we see over this issue is based on lack of details as to those definitions applied to the current POTUS and the possible contender POTUS. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Most of it is so we can tweak other countries no? I'm thinking specifically of Cuba... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican children [principally]. If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there, Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every other country. The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend here is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such things. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. > If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to > give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in > the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. > > RB > > > On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had >> kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" >> He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no >> intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So >> technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of active >> servicepersons. >> -Curt >> From: Randy Bennell >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >> Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? >> Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do >> not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the >> USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an >> American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a >> permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. >> >> Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through >> my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother >> in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. >> >> RB >> >> >> >> On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born >>> citizen. >>> Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres >>> really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots >>> who questioned Obama's citizenship. >>> -Curt >>> >>> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> To: Mercedes List >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >>> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >>>> >>>> His mama was f
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
I'm a natchull born lover man, I'm a hootchie cootchie man! No B! - O
child - Y...
--R
On 3/26/15 11:37 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Fair point, however, when it comes to divining what logic [if any] may be
behind any rule made by Immigration and Naturalization Agency, I'm at a
total loss.
It seems much confusion exists over the term:
"Natural Born Citizen" [as required by Constitution to be President]
as opposed to:
"Native Born Citizen"
and: Naturalized Citizen"
A person may hold ONE of those legal Citizenship status, but not Two.
Case law on those points makes several days of close reading necessary and
I invite anyone who wishes to do that. It seems to me, much of the emotion
and argument we see over this issue is based on lack of details as to those
definitions applied to the current POTUS and the possible contender POTUS.
Respectfully,
Grant...
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
Most of it is so we can tweak other countries no?
I'm thinking specifically of Cuba...
-Curt
From: G Mann via Mercedes
To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers
Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican
children [principally].
If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there,
Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every
other country.
The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend here
is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such
things.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian.
If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to
give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in
the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship.
RB
On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had
kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?"
He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no
intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So
technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of
active
servicepersons.
-Curt
From: Randy Bennell
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada?
Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do
not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the
USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an
American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a
permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen.
Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through
my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother
in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship.
RB
On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born
citizen.
Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres
really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the
idiots
who questioned Obama's citizenship.
-Curt
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes
To: Mercedes List
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back.
Dan
On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes
wrote:
Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian.
His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from
pirates of the Caribbean.
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Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Fair point, however, when it comes to divining what logic [if any] may be behind any rule made by Immigration and Naturalization Agency, I'm at a total loss. It seems much confusion exists over the term: "Natural Born Citizen" [as required by Constitution to be President] as opposed to: "Native Born Citizen" and: Naturalized Citizen" A person may hold ONE of those legal Citizenship status, but not Two. Case law on those points makes several days of close reading necessary and I invite anyone who wishes to do that. It seems to me, much of the emotion and argument we see over this issue is based on lack of details as to those definitions applied to the current POTUS and the possible contender POTUS. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Most of it is so we can tweak other countries no? > I'm thinking specifically of Cuba... > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers > Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican > children [principally]. > > If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there, > Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every > other country. > > The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend here > is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such > things. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. > > If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to > > give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in > > the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. > > > > RB > > > > > > On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had > >> kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" > >> He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no > >> intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So > >> technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of > active > >> servicepersons. > >> -Curt > >>From: Randy Bennell > >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > >>Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? > >> Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do > >> not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the > >> USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an > >> American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a > >> permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. > >> > >> Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through > >> my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother > >> in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. > >> > >> RB > >> > >> > >> > >> On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> > >>> It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born > >>> citizen. > >>> Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres > >>> really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the > idiots > >>> who questioned Obama's citizenship. > >>> -Curt > >>> > >>> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > >>>To: Mercedes List > >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > >>> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > >>> > >>> Dan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > >>>>
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Its not specific though, it says "natural born citizen" explain exactly what that means... I'd posit that there is "natural born citizen" and "naturalized citizen" there are no other statuses with "citizen" in them, if you are not one you must be the other. Thus since they were not naturalized both Cruz and Obama are natural born citizens, the immigration status of the father plays into it not at all. -Curt From: G Mann To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Well.. I could quickly agree that Mr. B. Obama Jr. father was "unknown" if presented with a verifiable birth certificate that so stated.. Which I have not. Again, the Constitution requires very specific Citizenship of the office of President. Thus the basis of this discussion, which I hope will remain civil. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: In 2008 Hilary and Obama co-sponsored a bill that specifically said McCain was an American citizen, shut your rabble rousing.http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/ Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. I'm pretty sure being born on American soil to an American parent makes you an American no matter the nationality of his father, in fact the father shouldn't even enter into it. If the father were "unknown" we wouldn't be having this discussion... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Most of it is so we can tweak other countries no? I'm thinking specifically of Cuba... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican children [principally]. If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there, Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every other country. The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend here is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such things. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. > If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to > give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in > the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. > > RB > > > On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had >> kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" >> He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no >> intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So >> technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of active >> servicepersons. >> -Curt >> From: Randy Bennell >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >> Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? >> Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do >> not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the >> USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an >> American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a >> permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. >> >> Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through >> my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother >> in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. >> >> RB >> >> >> >> On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born >>> citizen. >>> Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres >>> really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots >>> who questioned Obama's citizenship. >>> -Curt >>> >>> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>> To: Mercedes List >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >>> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >>>> >>>> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from >>>> pirates of the Caribbean. >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
He specifically said that he was renouncing something he didn't know he had. He's never had to be naturalized as an American which means he's native born. There are only two choices, native born and naturalized, if you're not one you're the other. He's never been naturalized so he must be native born. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. RB On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had kittens > in the oven would you call them biscuits?" > He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention of > becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's an > "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. > -Curt > From: Randy Bennell > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? > Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do > not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the > USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an > American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a > permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. > > Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through > my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother > in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. > > RB > > > > On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. >> Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres >> really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots >> who questioned Obama's citizenship. >> -Curt >> >> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> To: Mercedes List >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >> >> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >>> >>> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates >>> of the Caribbean. >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Well.. I could quickly agree that Mr. B. Obama Jr. father was "unknown" if presented with a verifiable birth certificate that so stated.. Which I have not. Again, the Constitution requires very specific Citizenship of the office of President. Thus the basis of this discussion, which I hope will remain civil. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > In 2008 Hilary and Obama co-sponsored a bill that specifically said McCain > was an American citizen, shut your rabble rousing. > http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/ > > > Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. I'm pretty > sure being born on American soil to an American parent makes you an > American no matter the nationality of his father, in fact the father > shouldn't even enter into it. If the father were "unknown" we wouldn't be > having this discussion... > -Curt > > From: G Mann > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J. > McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of > birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined that > Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US > Military, in Panama, did indeed meet the requirements of Constitution as a > "Natural Born Citizen". > The settled point of law being, location of birth does not impart > Citizenship to a Citizen born to TWO American Citizens. Rather, Citizenship > of the child carries via Citizenship of Parent Citizens, not their location > at time of birth. > > Mr. B. Obama Jr. then sealed all his records, and ran for the office of > president, while it is common knowledge that Mr. B. Obama Sr. never > obtained US Citizenship. Thus raising the, as yet unanswered, question as > to his exact legal status. > > Small point of law, but law is made of small points. This issue continues > to be argued by both sides of the argument without proper resolution. > Simple solution, requiring presentation of valid, certifiable documents.. > not forthcoming. > > Most curious, in my personal opinion. > > Respectfully, > > Grant... > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Why not? The constitution says "Natural born American" it doesn't say > "born on American soil" which would after all exclude John Mcain... > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the > office of President are unique to that office. > > It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique > requirements. > > But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it > make". > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > > > Dan > > > > > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > > > > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > > pirates of the Caribbean. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
When did we become a country where a father's citizenship establishes that of the child? A child born to an American parent who wishes to be American is American. In Cruz's case its clear he's not Canadian, theres no Canadian parent. He doesn't wish to be Cuban so ipso-facto he's American, easy as that. Why make things any more difficult? -Curt From: G Mann To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? The technical question of law which I don't know is: Was Mr. Cruz Sr. an American Citizen at the time of Mr. Cruz Jr. birth? My current information says he was still legally a Cuban Citizen and had not yet become a Naturalized American Citizen, thus not meeting special Constitutional requirements for his son to hold the office of President.. I accept that my information is less than perfect, please clear that issue for me. Thank you, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. RB On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. > Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really > no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who > questioned Obama's citizenship. > -Curt > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes List > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > Dan > > > >> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >> >> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates >> of the Caribbean. >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Interesting side note of law. USA is the only country that confers Citizenship based on LOCATION on American soil at time of birth for Mexican children [principally]. If you and your pregnant wife visit Mexico and the child is born there, Mexico WILL NOT confer Mexican Citizenship to that child. Same for every other country. The immigration system is full of strange little twists.. Best friend here is an immigration atty with 35 yrs of practice.. we often talk of such things. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. > If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to > give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in > the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. > > RB > > > On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > >> Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had >> kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" >> He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no >> intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So >> technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of active >> servicepersons. >> -Curt >>From: Randy Bennell >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >> Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? >> Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do >> not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the >> USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an >> American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a >> permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. >> >> Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through >> my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother >> in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. >> >> RB >> >> >> >> On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born >>> citizen. >>> Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres >>> really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots >>> who questioned Obama's citizenship. >>> -Curt >>> >>> From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes >>>To: Mercedes List >>>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM >>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >>> He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >>>> >>>> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from >>>> pirates of the Caribbean. >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J. McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined that Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US Military, in Panama, did indeed meet the requirements of Constitution as a "Natural Born Citizen". The settled point of law being, location of birth does not impart Citizenship to a Citizen born to TWO American Citizens. Rather, Citizenship of the child carries via Citizenship of Parent Citizens, not their location at time of birth. Mr. B. Obama Jr. then sealed all his records, and ran for the office of president, while it is common knowledge that Mr. B. Obama Sr. never obtained US Citizenship. Thus raising the, as yet unanswered, question as to his exact legal status. Small point of law, but law is made of small points. This issue continues to be argued by both sides of the argument without proper resolution. Simple solution, requiring presentation of valid, certifiable documents.. not forthcoming. Most curious, in my personal opinion. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Why not? The constitution says "Natural born American" it doesn't say > "born on American soil" which would after all exclude John Mcain... > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the > office of President are unique to that office. > > It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique > requirements. > > But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it > make". > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > > > Dan > > > > > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > > > > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > > pirates of the Caribbean. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
In 2008 Hilary and Obama co-sponsored a bill that specifically said McCain was an American citizen, shut your rabble rousing.http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-obama-agree-mccains-a-natural-born-citizen/ Obama was born in Hawaii, a US state, to an American mother. I'm pretty sure being born on American soil to an American parent makes you an American no matter the nationality of his father, in fact the father shouldn't even enter into it. If the father were "unknown" we wouldn't be having this discussion... -Curt From: G Mann To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Funny little thing.. Mr. B. Obama, while in congress, demanded that Mr. J. McCain was not eligible to serve as President because of his location of birth in Panama. After raising a high stink over it, it was determined that Mr. McCain, born of TWO American citizens, one on duty serving in US Military, in Panama, did indeed meet the requirements of Constitution as a "Natural Born Citizen". The settled point of law being, location of birth does not impart Citizenship to a Citizen born to TWO American Citizens. Rather, Citizenship of the child carries via Citizenship of Parent Citizens, not their location at time of birth. Mr. B. Obama Jr. then sealed all his records, and ran for the office of president, while it is common knowledge that Mr. B. Obama Sr. never obtained US Citizenship. Thus raising the, as yet unanswered, question as to his exact legal status. Small point of law, but law is made of small points. This issue continues to be argued by both sides of the argument without proper resolution. Simple solution, requiring presentation of valid, certifiable documents.. not forthcoming. Most curious, in my personal opinion. Respectfully, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Why not? The constitution says "Natural born American" it doesn't say "born on American soil" which would after all exclude John Mcain... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it make". On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > Dan > > > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > pirates of the Caribbean. > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
The technical question of law which I don't know is: Was Mr. Cruz Sr. an American Citizen at the time of Mr. Cruz Jr. birth? My current information says he was still legally a Cuban Citizen and had not yet become a Naturalized American Citizen, thus not meeting special Constitutional requirements for his son to hold the office of President.. I accept that my information is less than perfect, please clear that issue for me. Thank you, Grant... On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had > kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" > He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention > of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's > an "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. > -Curt > From: Randy Bennell > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? > Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do > not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the > USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an > American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a > permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. > > Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through > my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother > in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. > > RB > > > > On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born > citizen. > > Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres > really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots > who questioned Obama's citizenship. > > -Curt > > > >From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > To: Mercedes List > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > >> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> > >> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > >> > >> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > pirates of the Caribbean. > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
But you said there was "no way" for him to be Canadian. If he renounced Canadian citizenship, then one would think he had it to give it up, and I assume like Mexicans who like to have their children in the USA, if one is born here, one is likely able to claim citizenship. RB On 26/03/2015 10:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. RB On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who questioned Obama's citizenship. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
His mom needed to have bewen in the US for 10 continuous years for him to qualify, or something like that. It's complicatged. Thankfully (?), he is such an over the top extremist that there is a less-than-even chance the R party won't nominate him. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had > kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" > He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention > of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's > an "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. > -Curt > From: Randy Bennell > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? > Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do > not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the > USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an > American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a > permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. > > Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through > my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother > in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. > > RB > > > > On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born > citizen. > > Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres > really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots > who questioned Obama's citizenship. > > -Curt > > > >From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > > To: Mercedes List > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > >> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> > >> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > >> > >> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > pirates of the Caribbean. > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Theres a great Maine joke the punchline of which is "If your cat had kittens in the oven would you call them biscuits?" He's American because his parents were there temporarily with no intention of becoming Canadian citizens or permanent residents. So technically he's an "American born abroad" like so many children of active servicepersons. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. RB On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. > Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really > no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who > questioned Obama's citizenship. > -Curt > > From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes > To: Mercedes List > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > Dan > > > >> On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> >> Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. >> >> His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates >> of the Caribbean. >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Why is there no way for him to be Canadian if he was born in Canada? Both of my sons were born here to a mother who is a US citizen but do not qualify for dual citizenship via their mother because she left the USA before she attained the age of majority even though she is still an American citizen and has never obtained dual citizenship. She is a permanent resident of Canada but not a Canadian citizen. Oddly enough, my sons could apparently apply for US citizenship through my wife's parents even though my father in law is deceased and my mother in law obtained Canadian citizenship and thus has dual citizenship. RB On 26/03/2015 8:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who questioned Obama's citizenship. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
So sorry, cannot allow that. Need to tax people on worldwide income like USA so have to keep all citizens no matter what. RB On 25/03/2015 8:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Why not? The constitution says "Natural born American" it doesn't say "born on American soil" which would after all exclude John Mcain... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it make". On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > Dan > > > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > pirates of the Caribbean. > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
It wouldn't matter, to be president you'd have to be a natural born citizen. Which he probably is, his mother is American, his dad is Cuban, theres really no way for him to be Canadian... Still its fun to pick on the idiots who questioned Obama's citizenship. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes To: Mercedes List Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates > of the Caribbean. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You have the BEST sense of humor. ROFLMAO! On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When did anyone in con gress ever read the constitution, with the possible > exceptions of Cruz, S King and Ernst? > > > The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the >> office of President are unique to that office. >> >> It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique >> requirements. >> >> But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it >> make". >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
When did anyone in con gress ever read the constitution, with the possible exceptions of Cruz, S King and Ernst? The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it make". On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. _Running_ for the office. I think a non-naive-American could end up _holding_ the office, if he came to it by succession. Same way Bill Clinton could end up holding the office again, if H was elected and he was the running mate, and something happened... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
The Citizenship requirements set forth in Constitution for holding the office of President are unique to that office. It appears Mr. Cruz, although a legal citizen, does not meet those unique requirements. But, in the words of another possible candidate, "What difference does it make". On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. > > Dan > > > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from > pirates of the Caribbean. > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
He renounced his Canuck citizenship a while back. Dan > On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:38 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > > Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. > > His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates > of the Caribbean. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
It was used to kill a dame who did abortions. They should have used it for something a bit more interesting clay On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Funny you should mention that. > > Some years ago, I built a full size working Guillotine. Lately, I've been > ask if I could go into volume production. My observation is that America > votes with it's wallet first... > > It gives cause for wonder, doesn't it.. > > Interesting historical note, machinery wise. France used the Guillotine for > execution up until the late 1960's... being an avid machinery history buff. > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we >>> can already see what happens when we do. >>> >>> People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based >>> on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they >>> are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the >>> ballot. >>> >>> We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians >>> themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually >>> get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they >>> have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of >>> their actions. >>> Gerry >>> >> \ >> >> Hear, Here! >> >> George was right! >> >> Political parties are corrupt.Ds Jefferson and Jackson, and JFK were >> true Americans. Rs lincoln, Grant and Reagan were Americans. THe parties >> were corrupt even in Jeffersons day. >> >> None of them would recognize their parties now. >> >> What will you do to eliminate political parties? >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Hold on! Cruz is a Canadian. His mama was from below the 49th, but his dad was some wetback from pirates of the Caribbean. On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: >> provide the Native American (pre-European Invader Indigenous Person) content. > > Only native Americans are eligible for the office. Perhaps this > is referring to Aboriginal Americans? > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky, it will come to the fox hole. Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box. Isn't that the usual progression? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and entering an uncontrolled decent. If only our SoS _was_ uncontrolledly decent! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Anyone who votes for Hillary had better make sure they wouldn't object to her running mate becoming president. Now _there's_ an ironic reversal! :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Anyone who votes for Hillary had better make sure they wouldn't object to her running mate becoming president. She has had a small stroke and she does not appear to be in the best of health. The pressures of the presidency could do her under. Gerry Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Who's said anything about Hillary? > > You think any of the R candidaes would be better? > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > It's all pointless, it's Hillary!'s turn so she should just assume the > > job, we could avoid all the trouble and money spending and annoyances, and > > have the Smartest Woman in the World as our President, maybe with Michelle > > Obama as the VP, and in 8 years perhaps Chels and one of the Obama girls > > could run together, or maybe Lizzie Warren to provide the Native American > > (pre-European Invader Indigenous Person) content. Not allowing them to > > take the job would be genderist and racist. > > > > Wouldn't that be near-utopia, the completion of the fundamental > > transformation! I am almost too giddy to type just thinking about it! > > > > --R > > > > > > > > On 3/24/15 3:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > > > >> There appears to be race among the R non-candidates to see who can brand > >> himself as the most "conservative" of the pack. Cruz is off to a flying > >> start with his call to abolish EPA, the IRS, and non-Christians. > >> > >> OTOH, Jeb doesn't seem to care one way or the other so long as he is the > >> first to raise $1 BB. > >> > >> I need to order some popcorn before the price skyrockets. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> On 24/03/2015 2:08 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > >>> > >>> 'Nother pieca BS he can pile on with the rest of it to try pass off on > somebody. > > Wilton > > > ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9374 - Release Date: 03/24/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Funny you should mention that. Some years ago, I built a full size working Guillotine. Lately, I've been ask if I could go into volume production. My observation is that America votes with it's wallet first... It gives cause for wonder, doesn't it.. Interesting historical note, machinery wise. France used the Guillotine for execution up until the late 1960's... being an avid machinery history buff. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we >> can already see what happens when we do. >> >> People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based >> on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they >> are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the >> ballot. >> >> We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians >> themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually >> get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they >> have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of >> their actions. >> Gerry >> > \ > > Hear, Here! > > George was right! > > Political parties are corrupt.Ds Jefferson and Jackson, and JFK were > true Americans. Rs lincoln, Grant and Reagan were Americans. THe parties > were corrupt even in Jeffersons day. > > None of them would recognize their parties now. > > What will you do to eliminate political parties? > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Somewhere, in the last 239 years, we as a country shifted from being a Constitutional Republic to acting like a Democracy. The best description of a Democracy I've heard is: Two wolves and One sheep voting on what to eat for dinner. The best description of a Republic I've heard is: One well armed sheep inviting the Two wolves to eat all the grass they want for dinner. Somehow, along the way our elected representatives stop asking the question "What is best for America" and started asking only the question "What can I do to get re-elected". Regardless of the political party, the current lot in office have failed to do the job they were elected to do and the Citizens, regardless of party, are, for the most part, aware of that failure. If we are lucky, we can fix it at the ballot box. If we are not lucky, it will come to the fox hole. If the ship of state were an airliner, it would be off course and entering an uncontrolled decent. Immediate corrective action would be required, if we wanted to live. Respectfully, Grant... On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we > can already see what happens when we do. > > People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based > on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they > are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the > ballot. > > We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians > themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually > get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they > have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of > their actions. > Gerry > .. > > Curly McLain wrote: > > > >Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? > > > > Get Jokin Joe (Biteme) to run as the 3rd party. He'd probably get > > more votes than the queen of arKansas! > > > > He could run as a 1901 Progressive! > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9374 - Release Date: 03/24/15 > > > > > -- > arche...@embarqmail.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we can already see what happens when we do. People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the ballot. We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of their actions. Gerry \ Hear, Here! George was right! Political parties are corrupt.Ds Jefferson and Jackson, and JFK were true Americans. Rs lincoln, Grant and Reagan were Americans. THe parties were corrupt even in Jeffersons day. None of them would recognize their parties now. What will you do to eliminate political parties? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
As George Washington pointed out, we shouldn't have parties because we can already see what happens when we do. People tend to divide themselves based on the parties, rather than based on the issues. Many aren't actually listening to what is being said, they are too busy trying to push everyone into a particular little square on the ballot. We can't get anywhere because people (including the politicians themselves) are too busy naming the other side as their enemy to actually get things done. They're playing politics like it's a game, one that they have to win, and not actually thinking about the reality or consequences of their actions. Gerry .. Curly McLain wrote: > >Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? > > Get Jokin Joe (Biteme) to run as the 3rd party. He'd probably get > more votes than the queen of arKansas! > > He could run as a 1901 Progressive! > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4315/9374 - Release Date: 03/24/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
provide the Native American (pre-European Invader Indigenous Person) content. Only native Americans are eligible for the office. Perhaps this is referring to Aboriginal Americans? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Yes, any of the R candidates would be better, although I tend to agree with Randy that neither party has a very impressive field at this point. Hillary is just an empty pants suit, with no record of accomplishments other than negative ones. Hasn't even signed her outgoing government employee form. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 1:52 PM To: Rich Thomas; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Who's said anything about Hillary? You think any of the R candidaes would be better? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It's all pointless, it's Hillary!'s turn so she should just assume the > job, we could avoid all the trouble and money spending and annoyances, > and have the Smartest Woman in the World as our President, maybe with > Michelle Obama as the VP, and in 8 years perhaps Chels and one of the > Obama girls could run together, or maybe Lizzie Warren to provide the > Native American (pre-European Invader Indigenous Person) content. Not > allowing them to take the job would be genderist and racist. > > Wouldn't that be near-utopia, the completion of the fundamental > transformation! I am almost too giddy to type just thinking about it! > > --R > > > > On 3/24/15 3:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> There appears to be race among the R non-candidates to see who can >> brand himself as the most "conservative" of the pack. Cruz is off to >> a flying start with his call to abolish EPA, the IRS, and non-Christians. >> >> OTOH, Jeb doesn't seem to care one way or the other so long as he is >> the first to raise $1 BB. >> >> I need to order some popcorn before the price skyrockets. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> On 24/03/2015 2:08 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> 'Nother pieca BS he can pile on with the rest of it to try pass off >>> on >>>> somebody. >>>> >>>> Wilton >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >>> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ >> mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/ > mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/ listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Might outta ease off a little, now; gettin' on into politics; somebody might get riled. ;<) I know what! I'll throw in another Country Boy Tale! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >Theres always a 3rd party candidate, NPR just neglects to talk about >them. Seriously, in 2008 Ron Paul (then running as a Republican) was second in Nevada, NPR reported on the 1st and 3rd place finishers completely skipping him. So many people (including me) called them on it they had to release a lame excuse that they didn't do what they clearly had done. I lost a lot of respect for them that year. In 2008 Ralph Nader made a pretty good showing considering he ran as a 3rd party contender but mainstream media just skipped over him. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? So why do you bother to listen to all the propaganda stations? (NPB and all the BS stations) Good for you for calling them out, but it is obvious that news is the last thing they want to talk about. It is all propaganda and most of that is pro D party, socialist, marxist, communist, progressive or what ever term they choose to use this day. The glaring absence to me is that there is NO REPORTING about how the D party now would react to their proclaimed hero and his beliefs and policies. The beliefs and policies that JFK (not to mention Jefferson and Jackson) stood for and implemented are very little different than what Ted Cruz stands for. JFK as a candidate today would be ridiculed by the media the same way they ridicule Ted Cruz. Think about it. Secure borders Standing up to Putin Tax cuts implemented Nationalism Family values Roman Catholic values of before Vatican II Belief in the American system Belief in American People Support of the Military, and the Navy in particular This list goes on, but each one of these things JFK did or believed in are now attacked by the D party. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Theres always a 3rd party candidate, NPR just neglects to talk about them. Seriously, in 2008 Ron Paul (then running as a Republican) was second in Nevada, NPR reported on the 1st and 3rd place finishers completely skipping him. So many people (including me) called them on it they had to release a lame excuse that they didn't do what they clearly had done. I lost a lot of respect for them that year. In 2008 Ralph Nader made a pretty good showing considering he ran as a 3rd party contender but mainstream media just skipped over him. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? So why do you bother to listen to all the propaganda stations? (NPB and all the BS stations) Good for you for calling them out, but it is obvious that news is the last thing they want to talk about. It is all propaganda and most of that is pro D party, socialist, marxist, communist, progressive or what ever term they choose to use this day. The glaring absence to me is that there is NO REPORTING about how the D party now would react to their proclaimed hero and his beliefs and policies. The beliefs and policies that JFK (not to mention Jefferson and Jackson) stood for and implemented are very little different than what Ted Cruz stands for. JFK as a candidate today would be ridiculed by the media the same way they ridicule Ted Cruz. Think about it. Secure borders Standing up to Putin Tax cuts implemented Nationalism Family values Roman Catholic values of before Vatican II Belief in the American system Belief in American People Support of the Military, and the Navy in particular This list goes on, but each one of these things JFK did or believed in are now attacked by the D party. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? Get Jokin Joe (Biteme) to run as the 3rd party. He'd probably get more votes than the queen of arKansas! He could run as a 1901 Progressive! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Theres always a 3rd party candidate, NPR just neglects to talk about them. Seriously, in 2008 Ron Paul (then running as a Republican) was second in Nevada, NPR reported on the 1st and 3rd place finishers completely skipping him. So many people (including me) called them on it they had to release a lame excuse that they didn't do what they clearly had done. I lost a lot of respect for them that year. In 2008 Ralph Nader made a pretty good showing considering he ran as a 3rd party contender but mainstream media just skipped over him. -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I agree completely. I voted against Obama (twice), McCain, Romney, Bush (twice), Gore and Kerry. The last person I voted FOR was Bob Dole and I wasn't sure at the time if I was making a mistake or not, in fact I'm still not sure... -CurtVoting 3rd party since a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? I don't follow politics closely enough to know enough to make a meaningful comment but I have to say, I do not see anyone out there that I would bother to walk accross the street to vote for. What a god awful time in US politics. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Who's said anything about Hillary? You think any of the R candidaes would be better? Your cat or any dead toad would be better than pillary We know where she was when the 3 am phone call came to defend the embassy. AWOL Absent ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
Who thinks there will be a third party candidate this time around? On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I agree completely. I voted against Obama (twice), McCain, Romney, Bush > (twice), Gore and Kerry. The last person I voted FOR was Bob Dole and I > wasn't sure at the time if I was making a mistake or not, in fact I'm still > not sure... > -CurtVoting 3rd party since a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a > vote for evil. > From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes > To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > I don't follow politics closely enough to know enough to make a > meaningful comment but I have to say, I do not see anyone out there that > I would bother to walk accross the street to vote for. > What a god awful time in US politics. > > RB > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
I agree completely. I voted against Obama (twice), McCain, Romney, Bush (twice), Gore and Kerry. The last person I voted FOR was Bob Dole and I wasn't sure at the time if I was making a mistake or not, in fact I'm still not sure... -CurtVoting 3rd party since a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? I don't follow politics closely enough to know enough to make a meaningful comment but I have to say, I do not see anyone out there that I would bother to walk accross the street to vote for. What a god awful time in US politics. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
The problem is Walker is a non-starter with any of the unions and Cruz wears his religion so far out on his sleeve that non-Christians won't vote for him. They'd have to get every single Republican to vote and vote for them that they're unelectable in a general election... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? >There appears to be race among the R non-candidates to see who can brand >himself as the most "conservative" of the pack. Cruz is off to a flying >start with his call to abolish EPA, the IRS, and non-Christians. > >OTOH, Jeb doesn't seem to care one way or the other so long as he is the >first to raise $1 BB. > >I need to order some popcorn before the price skyrockets. Why don't you start selling no bush bumper stickers? You know, BUSH with the ø symbol through it. (Vølvø content) I'd buy one! G was ok, but should finished the job with Hussy. GW was ok. But jeb is no different than the current VEEP, only not as funny From the peanut gallery, I think a walker/cruz combo would win. It would get a lot of the population interested if ANYONE would pay attention to what real Americans want. I think Biteme would peat pillary in a landslide. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz?
That's why Jeb will get the nomination. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I think what you mean to say is theres a race among Republicans to be the > first to prove himself unelectable in the general election. They need to > find a moderate that the right wing can hold its nose and accept or they'll > lose again. > I sure as hell hope Hilary isn't the Democratic pick or we'll have the > choice between two real stinkers. As it is the best we can hope for is the > choice between two turd sandwiches... > -Curt > > From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ted Cruz? > > There appears to be race among the R non-candidates to see who can brand > himself as the most "conservative" of the pack. Cruz is off to a flying > start with his call to abolish EPA, the IRS, and non-Christians. > > OTOH, Jeb doesn't seem to care one way or the other so long as he is the > first to raise $1 BB. > > I need to order some popcorn before the price skyrockets. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
