Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-27 Thread andrew strasfogel
I received 4 tickets in Bethesda, MD over a 30 day period for driving up to
45 mph in four different 30 mph zones.  Geico threatened to cancel my auto
insurance, but I pleaded (whined) directly top their VP so they reconsidered
and just doubled my rates for a few years while I learned my lesson.  In the
District, when they catch you speeding on photo radar there are no points,
no harm so long as you pay the (usually) $100 fine...

On 3/24/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Just like when I was 17, got my first ticket, and swore to my parents that
> I'd never get another one.  Then when i was 21, I got two in 6
> weeks.  Same
> car.
>
> On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:23:12 -0500 "andrew strasfogel"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the input.  He tells me it's for racing at Summit Point
> with
> > > the Miata Society and that he won't get any more speeding tickets.
> >
> > Uh ... yeah ... right.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-25 Thread Curt Raymond
A friend's kid got 3 tickets in 3 days from the same cop in exactly the same 
spot.
  He said "I dunno how it happened!" His Dad and I spent an hour and put a clip 
on the throttle cable on the car so it wouldn't easily get beyond half 
throttle. That taught him a lesson...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:01:38 -0500
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Just like when I was 17, got my first ticket, and swore to my parents 
that
I'd never get another one.  Then when i was 21, I got two in 6 weeks.  
Same
car.



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> Any suggestions?TIA

If you're not losing any coolant, the white smoke must be excess  
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about 30 seconds of glowing. If there is an improvement, carbon  
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-25 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:59 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


Any words of advice would be appreciated.


	 I would seek the sage advice of the mother first and foremost.  
You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. I say help the kid  
out, go for it. It wouldn't hurt to suck up as much info as possible  
before agreeing to anything.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-25 Thread Sunil Hari
Just like when I was 17, got my first ticket, and swore to my parents that
I'd never get another one.  Then when i was 21, I got two in 6 weeks.  Same
car.

On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:23:12 -0500 "andrew strasfogel"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the input.  He tells me it's for racing at Summit Point with
> > the Miata Society and that he won't get any more speeding tickets.
>
> Uh ... yeah ... right.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-25 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:23:12 -0500 "andrew strasfogel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for the input.  He tells me it's for racing at Summit Point with
> the Miata Society and that he won't get any more speeding tickets.

Uh ... yeah ... right.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-25 Thread Desert Rat
Our turbo MB's have internal engine mods such as oilers under the
pistons, etc to handle the extra pressure and heat. Would think this
principle would apply to other engines as well.

Miata Monster (V8), now we're talking! That's one goal I have left in
my auto dream wish bag.  know I will never be able to afford a Cobra!

On 3/24/06, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see those guys put turbos on engines on the TV shows, it's mostly a
> bolt-up job with a little drilling here and there for mounts and such.
> Does not look like any big deal if the kit is well made for the
> particular install.  No input re: engine longevity, but I would think
> replacement engines/bits of various sorts would be fairly cheap even if
> it croaked, there's a lot of Miatas out there, and a lot of hop-up
> experience with them.  If it blows up, there are V8 conversion
> kits...now that would be some fun!
>
> I hope he lets you drive it too!
>
> -R
>
> R A Bennell wrote:
>
> >Put the roll bar in to save his neck. Do not put the turbo in for the same 
> >reason.
> >
> >Plus engine longevity, tuning problems etc. If he really needs more jamb, 
> >swap for a Mustang with an 8 or something
> >else with  more power but keep it simple and cheap to fix.
> >
> >My 2 cents but free advice is worth what you pay for it etc.
> >
> >Randy B
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari
> >Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:17 PM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem
> >
> >
> >um, yeah.  what are you doing letting your kid drive a 2-seat pocket
> >rocket?  And turbocharging it only makes it more susceptible to speeding
> >tickets and accidents.
> >
> >But strictly speaking from a mechanical standpoint, installing a turbo and a
> >roll bar is very doable by you and your son (if you can maintain an old
> >benz, you can do this), but I don't think it's a one-day project.
> >
> >On 3/24/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and
> >>installing
> >>a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".
> >>
> >>My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
> >>ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it
> >>with
> >>him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
> >>has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
> >>professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a
> >>day,
> >>and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in
> >>SWMBA/O's
> >>car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping her
> >>nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.
> >>
> >>Any words of advice would be appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>in
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
> >>>>>speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>the
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>cable will break.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>  I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an
> >>>>effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
> >>>something will break.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Craig
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-25 Thread BillR
Andrew - My son [Air Force mechanic] is a bit of a Miata nut - currently
rebuilding an engine and making a transmission conversion at the same time.
If you don't get the info you need from this list let me know and I will
direct your questions to him   
BillR
Jacksonville FL  
1981 300SD  273k

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:59 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and installing
a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".

My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it with
him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a day,
and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in SWMBA/O's
car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping her
nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.

Any words of advice would be appreciated.


On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Rich Thomas
I see those guys put turbos on engines on the TV shows, it's mostly a 
bolt-up job with a little drilling here and there for mounts and such.  
Does not look like any big deal if the kit is well made for the 
particular install.  No input re: engine longevity, but I would think 
replacement engines/bits of various sorts would be fairly cheap even if 
it croaked, there's a lot of Miatas out there, and a lot of hop-up 
experience with them.  If it blows up, there are V8 conversion 
kits...now that would be some fun!


I hope he lets you drive it too!

-R

R A Bennell wrote:


Put the roll bar in to save his neck. Do not put the turbo in for the same 
reason.

Plus engine longevity, tuning problems etc. If he really needs more jamb, swap 
for a Mustang with an 8 or something
else with  more power but keep it simple and cheap to fix.

My 2 cents but free advice is worth what you pay for it etc.

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem


um, yeah.  what are you doing letting your kid drive a 2-seat pocket
rocket?  And turbocharging it only makes it more susceptible to speeding
tickets and accidents.

But strictly speaking from a mechanical standpoint, installing a turbo and a
roll bar is very doable by you and your son (if you can maintain an old
benz, you can do this), but I don't think it's a one-day project.

On 3/24/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and
installing
a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".

My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it
with
him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a
day,
and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in
SWMBA/O's
car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping her
nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.

Any words of advice would be appreciated.


On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

   


The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable
 


in
   


parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or
 


the
   


cable will break.)

 


 I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an
effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.
   


Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
something will break.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
Thanks for the input.  He tells me it's for racing at Summit Point with the
Miata Society and that he won't get any more speeding tickets.



On 3/24/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> um, yeah.  what are you doing letting your kid drive a 2-seat pocket
> rocket?  And turbocharging it only makes it more susceptible to speeding
> tickets and accidents.
>
> But strictly speaking from a mechanical standpoint, installing a turbo and
> a
> roll bar is very doable by you and your son (if you can maintain an old
> benz, you can do this), but I don't think it's a one-day project.
>
> On 3/24/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and
> > installing
> > a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".
> >
> > My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
> > ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it
> > with
> > him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
> > has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
> > professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a
> > day,
> > and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in
> > SWMBA/O's
> > car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping
> her
> > nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.
> >
> > Any words of advice would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable
> > in
> > > > > parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do,
> the
> > > > > speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or
> > the
> > > > > cable will break.)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I don't know what what made me think less friction would have
> an
> > > > effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any
> way.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
> > > something will break.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread R A Bennell
Put the roll bar in to save his neck. Do not put the turbo in for the same 
reason.

Plus engine longevity, tuning problems etc. If he really needs more jamb, swap 
for a Mustang with an 8 or something
else with  more power but keep it simple and cheap to fix.

My 2 cents but free advice is worth what you pay for it etc.

Randy B

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:17 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem


um, yeah.  what are you doing letting your kid drive a 2-seat pocket
rocket?  And turbocharging it only makes it more susceptible to speeding
tickets and accidents.

But strictly speaking from a mechanical standpoint, installing a turbo and a
roll bar is very doable by you and your son (if you can maintain an old
benz, you can do this), but I don't think it's a one-day project.

On 3/24/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and
> installing
> a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".
>
> My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
> ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it
> with
> him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
> has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
> professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a
> day,
> and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in
> SWMBA/O's
> car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping her
> nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.
>
> Any words of advice would be appreciated.
>
>
> On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable
> in
> > > > parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
> > > > speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or
> the
> > > > cable will break.)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an
> > > effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.
> >
> >
> > Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
> > something will break.
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 10:54:44AM -0500, John Berryman wrote:
> > How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
> > the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.
> 
>   Non-functional

That being the case, you might as well try and find yourself a properly
geared speedometer, provided someone knows what axle ratio you would have
or you wait until the thaw to drain the diff oil and count the teeth.

I think I remember hearing that there were four possibilities for diesel
201s delivered stateside (2.2 auto, 2.5 auto, five speed, and turbo, or 
something like that), so there might be something close.

K



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Sunil Hari
um, yeah.  what are you doing letting your kid drive a 2-seat pocket
rocket?  And turbocharging it only makes it more susceptible to speeding
tickets and accidents.

But strictly speaking from a mechanical standpoint, installing a turbo and a
roll bar is very doable by you and your son (if you can maintain an old
benz, you can do this), but I don't think it's a one-day project.

On 3/24/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and
> installing
> a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".
>
> My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
> ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it
> with
> him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
> has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
> professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a
> day,
> and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in
> SWMBA/O's
> car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping her
> nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.
>
> Any words of advice would be appreciated.
>
>
> On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable
> in
> > > > parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
> > > > speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or
> the
> > > > cable will break.)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an
> > > effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.
> >
> >
> > Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
> > something will break.
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
OK let's change this topic to a discussion of "turbocharging and installing
a roll bar on a 2005 Miata".

My son says you can purchase well-documented kits to do these mods. with
ordinary tools and ordinary mechanical aptitude, and wants me to do it with
him.  This will presumably foster father-son bonding.  My question is...
has the child gone mad?  Isn't this something one should trust solely to
professionals who do this for a living?  The work is supposed to take a day,
and he would save $2k in labor charges.  The work would be done in SWMBA/O's
car port, so I am naturally fearful of disabling the Miata and keeping her
nice 85 300CD out in the rain... to my detriment.

Any words of advice would be appreciated.


On 3/24/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable in
> > > parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
> > > speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or the
> > > cable will break.)
> > >
> >
> >
> >   I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an
> > effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.
>
>
> Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
> something will break.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:15:36 -0500 John Berryman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:
> 
> >
> > The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable in
> > parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
> > speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or the
> > cable will break.)
> >
> 
> 
>   I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an  
> effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.


Yup, you got it. Everything has to turn as fast as the speedo cable or
something will break.



Craig



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:



The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable in
parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or the
cable will break.)




	I don't know what what made me think less friction would have an  
effect, the magnet can only spin as fast as the speedo cable any way.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:54:44 -0500 John Berryman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> 
> > How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
> > the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.
> 
>   Non-functional

It would seem that the best course of action would be to get the odometer
to work, even temporarily. You mentioned pulling the IC (instrument
cluster, I presume, not integrated circuit). You'll have ready access to
make the repair to the odometer when you do that.


> info requested to make an educated guess. If in fact there is a  
> difference in rotating speed of the magnet between Euro and US all  
> the recalibration in the world would not solve the problem. I'll be  
> replacing the odometer gear next week after pulling my IC and  
> counting teeth as per odometergears.com's suggestion.

>From what I've heard, the rotation speed should be the same for a given
differential ratio. The suggestion of a different speedometer head in a
different instrument cluster is something worth looking at.


>   I can however see how not turning the odometer could create less  
> friction allowing the speedo to read high as mine does.

The speedometer and odometer are driven from the speedometer cable in
parallel. One does not affect the other. (Actually, if they do, the
speedometer cable will break something in the speedometer head or the
cable will break.)


>   I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this.

I'm sure you will, too.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread andrew strasfogel
This may be a long shot, but if you purchased this vehicle second hand it
MAY have the incorrect speedometer.  Yes, my son's 1985 300D was wildly
inaccurate because it had a replacement 240D speedo!!



On 3/24/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Many times in the past i have been able to glue the gear to the shaft.  I
> used epoxy but there are probably better adhesives available.  JB Weld,
> gorilla glue etc.  Be sure to degrease the gear and shaft first.  If you
> can roughen up the bonding surfaces with emery cloth that is helpful also.
>
> At 09:54 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:
>
> >On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> >
> > > How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
> > > the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.
> >
> > Non-functional
> >
> > >   Does it track
> > > the mile markers?  If not, you've got a gearing problem.
> >
> > This I'm aware of
> >
> > > If it
> > > tracks, then you have a calibration problem within the speedometer
> > > itself.  25% is a lot to be off via a gear.
> >
> > 25% is a lot to be off expecting calibration to remedy. I need
> the
> >info requested to make an educated guess. If in fact there is a
> >difference in rotating speed of the magnet between Euro and US all
> >the recalibration in the world would not solve the problem. I'll be
> >replacing the odometer gear next week after pulling my IC and
> >counting teeth as per odometergears.com's suggestion.
> > I can however see how not turning the odometer could create less
> >friction allowing the speedo to read high as mine does.
> > I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this.
> >
> > >
> > > -- Jim
> >
> >Johnny B.
> >I Mac Therefore I am
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Loren Faeth
Many times in the past i have been able to glue the gear to the shaft.  I 
used epoxy but there are probably better adhesives available.  JB Weld, 
gorilla glue etc.  Be sure to degrease the gear and shaft first.  If you 
can roughen up the bonding surfaces with emery cloth that is helpful also.


At 09:54 AM 3/24/2006, you wrote:


On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

> How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
> the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.

Non-functional

>   Does it track
> the mile markers?  If not, you've got a gearing problem.

This I'm aware of

> If it
> tracks, then you have a calibration problem within the speedometer
> itself.  25% is a lot to be off via a gear.

25% is a lot to be off expecting calibration to remedy. I need the
info requested to make an educated guess. If in fact there is a
difference in rotating speed of the magnet between Euro and US all
the recalibration in the world would not solve the problem. I'll be
replacing the odometer gear next week after pulling my IC and
counting teeth as per odometergears.com's suggestion.
I can however see how not turning the odometer could create less
friction allowing the speedo to read high as mine does.
I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this.

>
> -- Jim

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:52 AM, Dave M. wrote:


Ditto what Jim said. I bet the odo is also off ~25%. Sounds to me like
someoned changed the Euro kph speedo to a USA mph version, but ignored
the fact that the axle ratios are different. You can't order a drive
gear, the trannies all output the same signal. You have to match the
speedometer with the axle ratio. So if I'm right, you'll have to
figure out what axle ratio you have now, then figure out what USA
model used the same axle, and get a used speedo from that car. Or, get
a conversion box to go in between to adjust the 25% error.

:)

-dm



	This is not an electronic speedo it is cable driven just like all my  
earlier 201s BTW my Euro 190D is an 86. There has to be different  
gear sets available for cars equipped with different engines and  
transmissions due to the fact that they all use different final drive  
ratios. Once I know for sure that the rear-end ratios are the same or  
different and fix the odometer i will know what to do.

Are you able to find that info on a euro spec car?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:05 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.


Non-functional


  Does it track
the mile markers?  If not, you've got a gearing problem.


This I'm aware of


If it
tracks, then you have a calibration problem within the speedometer
itself.  25% is a lot to be off via a gear.


	25% is a lot to be off expecting calibration to remedy. I need the  
info requested to make an educated guess. If in fact there is a  
difference in rotating speed of the magnet between Euro and US all  
the recalibration in the world would not solve the problem. I'll be  
replacing the odometer gear next week after pulling my IC and  
counting teeth as per odometergears.com's suggestion.
	I can however see how not turning the odometer could create less  
friction allowing the speedo to read high as mine does.

I'm sure I'll get to the bottom of this.



-- Jim


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Dave M.
Ditto what Jim said. I bet the odo is also off ~25%. Sounds to me like
someoned changed the Euro kph speedo to a USA mph version, but ignored
the fact that the axle ratios are different. You can't order a drive
gear, the trannies all output the same signal. You have to match the
speedometer with the axle ratio. So if I'm right, you'll have to
figure out what axle ratio you have now, then figure out what USA
model used the same axle, and get a used speedo from that car. Or, get
a conversion box to go in between to adjust the 25% error.

:)

-dm

> --
> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:05:50 -0800
> From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem
>
>
> > on Wednesday. My speedo is off by quite a bit, Like about 25%.
>
> How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
> the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.  Does it track
> the mile markers?  If not, you've got a gearing problem.  If it
> tracks, then you have a calibration problem within the speedometer
> itself.  25% is a lot to be off via a gear.
>
> -- Jim



Re: [MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Cathey

on Wednesday. My speedo is off by quite a bit, Like about 25%.


How's the odometer?  Every time I've called our local speedo shop
the _first_ thing they say to check is the odometer.  Does it track
the mile markers?  If not, you've got a gearing problem.  If it
tracks, then you have a calibration problem within the speedometer
itself.  25% is a lot to be off via a gear.

-- Jim




[MBZ] Was 8500 X50 Radar Detector now My Problem

2006-03-24 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Last ticket I got was 4 years ago, before I got my V-1... and that
ticket also taught me that my speedometer was 4% slow (which I later
verified with a GPS - D'OH!!). I now know exactly how far off each of
my speedometers are... most are within 1-3% though. A little
edumacation goes a long way.

:)

-dm



	Speaking of which, I earned a speeder on the Taconic State Parkway  
on Wednesday. My speedo is off by quite a bit, Like about 25%. I knew  
I was moving along pretty well and like I said earned it.
	I was driving my Euro 190D 2.5 auto trans. Here's the question: Are  
Euro speedos driven at a different speed than US versions? This car  
has only 65,000 mi and was purchased from the original owner who has  
stated that it has not had any work done to trans or rear end.
	I want my speedo to be accurate, within reason. It is my belief that  
I will need to change the gear(s) in the trans to correct it. This is  
where EPC Dave or Dr Booth may be able to help, although any other  
knowledgeable input is also appreciated; I need to know what the  
original rear-end ratio is for this car and also if it differs from  
US versions. Using this info I will be able to determine the correct  
speedo drive gear-set. Simply ordering a US drive gear would be a  
shot in the dark.
	The very polite (and young) trooper had to write the ticket for the  
actual speed. Actually the radar and on board computer do the writing  
automatically. I explained that although I knew I was speeding, I had  
no way of knowing how fast I was traveling.
	He told me that I will have to submit a statement from a repair shop  
stating that my speedo is in error. This will change a speeder to an  
equipment violation to which I can plead not guilty and upon  
production of a receipt for the necessary repair, the case will be  
dismissed. The fact that my license is spotless will also be a plus  
when the case is considered by the judge.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am