Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Y'all been taken over by commies. I've got three 1995 Mercedes 124 cars, and the annual registration is $33 each one year, then down to $11, then back up to $33 the next year, and so forth. My Yacht now costs $15 a year, used to be $25 for three years but too many Rinos caved and let the taxes go up. Max Dillon Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Great diagnostic work Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 4:45 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 > for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. > It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot > of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear > the Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and > code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization > System, a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip > in the keys) appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module > from a junker for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. > > Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that > the starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either > bad or it was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays > (there are a bunch that are the same), still no workies. Turns out > after doing some electrical diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the > relay contacts to get the engine to turn over and start with the key in > Run position 2 (all dash lights come on. (YAY). I put a momentary > contact switch on the jumper wires so I could lift the hood and turn > over the engine to start. (I tried to run it into the cabin but > couldn't find a convenient hole). > > So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch, > that the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the > start position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive > the vehicle in position 2.There is a way to test the switch and > wires right there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it > is tight in there so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that > wire is what goes to the relay activator contacts (these are the > contacts in back of the relay slot that are along the axis of the car, > the actual starter actuator contacts are the front ones that are > transverse) and I was getting no power to activate the relay. > > Common issue on these vehicles apparently, can make you crazy, a new > part is like $25 so I ordered one the other day. > > There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and > the various arms behind it. There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom > one, some plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap > connectors on the right panel. They mostly pop out with release of the > tabs and a bit of gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down. > > The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing. > They are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off. Small hands > would help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking > tabs with little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used > a screwdriver to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to > squeeze the back one and the connector popped right off. Note that > there are some tabs on the top of the copnnector that slide into the > back of the lock and in the housing so it will only orient one way, > pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 oclock if you could look from > the back. > > The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are > also 2 locking tabs that hold it in. You can feel inside the round > housing and get the tabs released, although again you can use a > screwdriver on the one if front. I could not get a good grip on it to > pull it out so got a small pair of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull > it right out. > > There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the > ignition switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the > new one how it will fit over the key switch tab. The old one was > clearly chewed up a bit and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even > if the slot was OK (which it wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch > wore out or bound up and would not turn to position 3 to start the engine. > > The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the > housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a > move it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was > easy enough. > > Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay > back in, and JOY Engine started right up. YAY ME I did notice > too that the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely > buggered from that indication as well. > > This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min. > > I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved. > > > https://www.benzworld.org/threads/w163-ml500-ignition-switch-no-start-fixed.3060413/ > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
In Michigan, we just pay one fee, for registration and value tax combined. I don't remember them all, but 2016 Cruze $126, 2007 Ion2 $67, 2003 ML350 $176, 1997 S420 I don't recall exactly, I try very hard to forget, but it's over $300. On 2020-09-29 20:13, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Yeah I actually don't know the details of how it works, but registration on a a new car is expensive and it drops each year. It seems not strictly based on age though, because registration for my '83 300D costs more than all my other cars except the Volvo XC90, even though it's 26 years older. I should ask them about that I guess. Here's what I'm looking at for next month (excise tax portion in paren) Year: 1979 Make: MEB Model: 300SD $73.35 ($12.00) Year: 1983 Make: MEB Model: 300DT $103.35 ($42.00) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > So Indiana still does the excise tax thing based on value on a sliding > scale - for what, 12 years, I believe? At that point the car’s value > is to the point where it’s a fixed fee, right? Yeah I actually don't know the details of how it works, but registration on a a new car is expensive and it drops each year. It seems not strictly based on age though, because registration for my '83 300D costs more than all my other cars except the Volvo XC90, even though it's 26 years older. I should ask them about that I guess. Here's what I'm looking at for next month (excise tax portion in paren) Year: 1979 Make: MEB Model: 300SD $73.35 ($12.00) Year: 1983 Make: MEB Model: 300DT $103.35 ($42.00) Year: 2003 Make: FOR Model: FOCUS SE $73.35 ($12.00) Year: 2004 Make: NIS Model: FRONTIER XE V6 $91.35 ($21.00) Year: 2006 Make: HON Model: ELEMENT EX $82.35 ($21.00) Year: 2009 Make: VLV Model: XC90 3.2 $103.35 ($42.00) The Frontier costs more than the Element because it's a truck, which has other fees, even though the excise tax is the same. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Allan, So Indiana still does the excise tax thing based on value on a sliding scale - for what, 12 years, I believe? At that point the car’s value is to the point where it’s a fixed fee, right? -D > On Sep 29, 2020, at 7:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > >> Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across >> the street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding >> MA taxes by doing that... > > People in IN used to do that with IL plates. Maybe still do. IL charged > a flat fee for registration, whereas in IN there's an excise tax based > on the value of the car. So registering a new or valuable car in IN can > be hundreds of dollars, every year. In IL it was like $35 flat fee last > I knew. No idea if they've changed that, but given the financial > disaster that is the state of IL finances, I would not be surprised. > > Reminds me I need to renew all my plates in October. Since all my cars > are old and not worth much, it's not too bad. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Curt Raymond via Mercedes writes: > Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across > the street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding > MA taxes by doing that... People in IN used to do that with IL plates. Maybe still do. IL charged a flat fee for registration, whereas in IN there's an excise tax based on the value of the car. So registering a new or valuable car in IN can be hundreds of dollars, every year. In IL it was like $35 flat fee last I knew. No idea if they've changed that, but given the financial disaster that is the state of IL finances, I would not be surprised. Reminds me I need to renew all my plates in October. Since all my cars are old and not worth much, it's not too bad. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
On 2020-09-29 17:36, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: MA penalizes you if the LAST owner didn't register the vehicle, even if it was from a different state. I can remember looking at dealer auctions, and whenever a CA titled car was listed, they'd disclose how much CA registration was due on the car to free up the title, usually $50-200, rarely zero. My nephew in law got lucky with his cars. He gave his CRX to a friend when he moved back to CA the first time, and I didn't hear of her having trouble getting a MI title for it, but she might have. His Dakota went a few years in Michigan on an expired CA plate, then a couple years in CA, then a year in RI, then a few years in MO. He registered it in CA when he left MO, and CA no longer had a record of him owing registration taxes on it. My niece was all ready with her 'I told you so' speech, and it was sort of a let down for her when he got away with it. His driving around the country on expired CA plates used to irk her. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
MA penalizes you if the LAST owner didn't register the vehicle, even if it was from a different state. When I bought my '98 Jetta the DMV guy got all concerned when he realized I was going to have to pay a fine. It turned out to be $50 which I figured wasn't worth worrying about. If I end up in a case where its significant I'd go the VT route. I can be in VT in less than an hour. Actually now that I think of it I realize some of the scumbags across the street are driving cars on VT plates. I wonder if they're avoiding MA taxes by doing that... -Curt On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 6:01:41 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Florida penalizes you 30 days after the purchase if you haven’t registered and titled the vehicle. I believe it’s a pretty common thing for most states. That being said, I don’t think it’s a significant amount. -D > On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like the commies are taking over your state. Time to move to FL. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the >> penalties after 30 days regardless. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Congrats, nice victory! >>> >>> Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you >>> bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until >> you >>> got it repaired. Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so >>> you have some evidence? In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it >>> took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the >> point >>> it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I >> let >>> the county tax desk know that. >>> - >>> Max >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the road. VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in that range. I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just haven't done it yet. I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see anything. Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM first. I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered here. I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get one like 3 weeks out. You first have to go to the County Assessor and tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the tax before you can go to the DMV. Fortunately the 2 county desks are in the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location. I guess if I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good... --FT > On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. > > Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out? > > -D > >> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. >> It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, >> a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the >> keys) appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker >> for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Florida penalizes you 30 days after the purchase if you haven’t registered and titled the vehicle. I believe it’s a pretty common thing for most states. That being said, I don’t think it’s a significant amount. -D > On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Sounds like the commies are taking over your state. Time to move to FL. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the >> penalties after 30 days regardless. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Congrats, nice victory! >>> >>> Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you >>> bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until >> you >>> got it repaired. Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so >>> you have some evidence? In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it >>> took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the >> point >>> it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I >> let >>> the county tax desk know that. >>> - >>> Max >>> Charleston SC >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the road. VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in that range. I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just haven't done it yet. I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see anything. Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM first. I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered here. I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get one like 3 weeks out. You first have to go to the County Assessor and tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the tax before you can go to the DMV. Fortunately the 2 county desks are in the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location. I guess if I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good... --FT > On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. > > Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out? > > -D > >> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. >> It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, >> a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the >> keys) appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker >> for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Sounds like the commies are taking over your state. Time to move to FL. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the > penalties after 30 days regardless. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Congrats, nice victory! > > > > Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you > > bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until > you > > got it repaired. Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so > > you have some evidence? In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it > > took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the > point > > it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I > let > > the county tax desk know that. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > > > > >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got > >> insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the > >> road. VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in > >> that range. I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just > >> haven't done it yet. I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see > >> anything. Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they > >> will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I > >> guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM > >> first. > >> > >> I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some > >> issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it > >> before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered > >> here. I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were > >> only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get > >> one like 3 weeks out. You first have to go to the County Assessor and > >> tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I > >> think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the > >> tax before you can go to the DMV. Fortunately the 2 county desks are in > >> the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at > >> one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is > >> either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, > >> challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location. I guess if > >> I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good... > >> > >> --FT > >> > >>> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. > >>> > >>> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted > >> out? > >>> > >>> -D > >>> > On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 > >> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. > It > >> had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of > >> time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the > >> Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code > >> chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, > a > >> little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the > keys) > >> appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker > for > >> cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. > > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
It used to be that way here, but now they don’t care and start the penalties after 30 days regardless. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Congrats, nice victory! > > Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you > bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until you > got it repaired. Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so > you have some evidence? In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it > took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the point > it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I let > the county tax desk know that. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got >> insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the >> road. VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in >> that range. I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just >> haven't done it yet. I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see >> anything. Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they >> will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I >> guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM >> first. >> >> I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some >> issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it >> before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered >> here. I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were >> only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get >> one like 3 weeks out. You first have to go to the County Assessor and >> tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I >> think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the >> tax before you can go to the DMV. Fortunately the 2 county desks are in >> the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at >> one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is >> either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, >> challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location. I guess if >> I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good... >> >> --FT >> >>> On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: >>> Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. >>> >>> Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted >> out? >>> >>> -D >>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 >> for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. It >> had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of >> time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the >> Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code >> chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a >> little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) >> appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for >> cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Congrats, nice victory! Regarding the County for the taxes, make sure that you tell them that you bought the car in a state of disrepair and you could not drive it until you got it repaired. Bring the receipt(s) for the ignition switch maybe, so you have some evidence? In my case, when I bought the blue '95 E300, it took me several months or maybe a year to get that all sorted to the point it was roadworthy, so there was no fine / late payment penalty after I let the county tax desk know that. - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:11 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got > insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the > road. VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in > that range. I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just > haven't done it yet. I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see > anything. Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they > will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I > guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM > first. > > I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some > issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it > before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered > here. I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were > only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get > one like 3 weeks out. You first have to go to the County Assessor and > tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I > think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the > tax before you can go to the DMV. Fortunately the 2 county desks are in > the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at > one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is > either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, > challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location. I guess if > I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good... > > --FT > > On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > > Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. > > > > Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted > out? > > > > -D > > > >> On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 > for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. It > had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of > time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the > Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code > chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a > little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) > appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for > cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. > >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Well, VT sent me plates and some sort of registration certificate, I got insurance so as far as I am concerned it is now "legal" to be on the road. VT don't do titles on vehicles 15yo or older, so this one fell in that range. I need to call the TitleMax guy tomorrow I guess, I just haven't done it yet. I wonder if he cleared the lien so VT did not see anything. Kaleb suggested just going to the DMV here and seeing if they will take the VT registration certificate and turn it into a title, I guess I could do that too but it might be less of a surprise to call TM first. I should probably call the TM guy first to see if there will be some issue, SCDMV are kinda PsITA about stuff sometimes, and I need to do it before the 30days happens or they ding me on days it was not registered here. I have to check about how they are doing things now, they were only doing appointments before, and last time I went there I had to get one like 3 weeks out. You first have to go to the County Assessor and tax office (2 transactions) to get a title request form sorted out, I think they calculate the tax, then hand that to the tax man and pay the tax before you can go to the DMV. Fortunately the 2 county desks are in the same room so that is easy enough (why they cannot do both at once at one desk is beyond me), but then you have to go to the DMV which is either 1) just down the road from the County offices and is a bit, um, challenging, or 2) a new one in a less challenging location. I guess if I went to the county that shows DMV I was trying to be good... --FT On 9/29/20 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out? -D On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
Dude, that’s great. Gotta love the easy (and cheap!) fixes. Was this the one that had the lien on it? Did you ever get that sorted out? -D > On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the > vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. It had a > "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of time > digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start > Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code chips as > those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a little loop > antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) appeared to be > happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for cheap, they are > like $175 new, did not need to use it. > > Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that the > starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either bad or it > was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays (there are a bunch > that are the same), still no workies. Turns out after doing some electrical > diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the relay contacts to get the engine to > turn over and start with the key in Run position 2 (all dash lights come on. > (YAY). I put a momentary contact switch on the jumper wires so I could > lift the hood and turn over the engine to start. (I tried to run it into the > cabin but couldn't find a convenient hole). > > So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch, that > the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the start > position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive the > vehicle in position 2.There is a way to test the switch and wires right > there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it is tight in there > so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that wire is what goes to > the relay activator contacts (these are the contacts in back of the relay > slot that are along the axis of the car, the actual starter actuator contacts > are the front ones that are transverse) and I was getting no power to > activate the relay. > > Common issue on these vehicles apparently, can make you crazy, a new part is > like $25 so I ordered one the other day. > > There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and the > various arms behind it. There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom one, some > plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap connectors on the > right panel. They mostly pop out with release of the tabs and a bit of > gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down. > > The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing. They > are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off. Small hands would > help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking tabs with > little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used a screwdriver > to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to squeeze the back one > and the connector popped right off. Note that there are some tabs on the top > of the copnnector that slide into the back of the lock and in the housing so > it will only orient one way, pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 > oclock if you could look from the back. > > The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are also 2 > locking tabs that hold it in. You can feel inside the round housing and get > the tabs released, although again you can use a screwdriver on the one if > front. I could not get a good grip on it to pull it out so got a small pair > of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull it right out. > > There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the ignition > switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the new one how it > will fit over the key switch tab. The old one was clearly chewed up a bit > and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even if the slot was OK (which it > wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch wore out or bound up and would > not turn to position 3 to start the engine. > > The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the > housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a move > it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was easy enough. > > Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay back > in, and JOY Engine started right up. YAY ME I did notice too that > the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely buggered from that > indication as well. > > This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min. > > I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved. > >
[MBZ] YAY ME! -- W163 ML500 ignition switch / no start fixed!
So if you recall I bought this 05 ML500 in kind of a shady deal, $400 for the vehicle, $275 to spring it from jail where it had been towed. It had a "Start Error" which would not allow it to start. I spent a lot of time digging into it with the majick computer, and managed to clear the Start Error message on the dash. Was not apparently the keys and code chips as those all checked out OK, the DAS (Drive Authorization System, a little loop antenna around the key switch that reads the chip in the keys) appeared to be happy. I had pulled a DAS loop and module from a junker for cheap, they are like $175 new, did not need to use it. Still would not start, after doing some research it was suggested that the starter power K11 relay in the fuse box under the hood was either bad or it was not getting power to make it work. Swapped out relays (there are a bunch that are the same), still no workies. Turns out after doing some electrical diagnosis I discovered I could jumper the relay contacts to get the engine to turn over and start with the key in Run position 2 (all dash lights come on. (YAY). I put a momentary contact switch on the jumper wires so I could lift the hood and turn over the engine to start. (I tried to run it into the cabin but couldn't find a convenient hole). So that suggested that an electrical switch behind the key lock switch, that the key lock actually actuates to start the car, was bad in the start position 3 -- positions 1 and 2 worked and I could start and drive the vehicle in position 2. There is a way to test the switch and wires right there at the switch (pink wire I think, marked #15?) but it is tight in there so I didn't bother with that aspect, in any case that wire is what goes to the relay activator contacts (these are the contacts in back of the relay slot that are along the axis of the car, the actual starter actuator contacts are the front ones that are transverse) and I was getting no power to activate the relay. Common issue on these vehicles apparently, can make you crazy, a new part is like $25 so I ordered one the other day. There are 3 covers to take off around the back of the steering wheel and the various arms behind it. There are 3 Torx T25 screws on the bottom one, some plastic tabs on the top one, and some tabs and metal snap connectors on the right panel. They mostly pop out with release of the tabs and a bit of gyration and having the wheel tilt up or down. The electrical switch is at 90deg to the key switch in a round housing. They are (fairly) easy to pull once you get the covers off. Small hands would help but I managed to get the connector off (there are locking tabs with little arms you can squeeze with your fingers, although I used a screwdriver to push the front lock tab you can see and managed to squeeze the back one and the connector popped right off. Note that there are some tabs on the top of the copnnector that slide into the back of the lock and in the housing so it will only orient one way, pretty much with the tabs on the top at 12 oclock if you could look from the back. The actual switch is further inside the round housing, and there are also 2 locking tabs that hold it in. You can feel inside the round housing and get the tabs released, although again you can use a screwdriver on the one if front. I could not get a good grip on it to pull it out so got a small pair of pliers to grab a contact tab and pull it right out. There is a small tab on the back of the key switch that turns the ignition switch, it is like 1/4" wide it looks like, you can see on the new one how it will fit over the key switch tab. The old one was clearly chewed up a bit and it was hard to turn with a screwdriver even if the slot was OK (which it wasn't) so that was the problem, the switch wore out or bound up and would not turn to position 3 to start the engine. The new one slid in OK once I got the tabs oriented to the slot in the housing, as with the connector, although I did have to put the key in a move it a bit before the new switch would slide over it but that was easy enough. Buttoned everything back up, took out my jumper switch, popped the relay back in, and JOY Engine started right up. YAY ME I did notice too that the key turned more easily so the switch was definitely buggered from that indication as well. This time it took like an hour, next time would be like 20min. I"m going to put this in Benzworld with pics of all the bits involved. https://www.benzworld.org/threads/w163-ml500-ignition-switch-no-start-fixed.3060413/ -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
