a nice day -
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From: "Loren Faeth"
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:22 PM
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Amen, and this discussion would NOT come up if everyone paid their
own bills, instead of expecting Nanny to do it for them. This
country was created by REAL MEN and WOMEN, not the bunch of whining
wimps that inhabit the country now.
If YOU expect ME to pay YOUR bills, then I have a RIGHT to
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
wrote:
> Who exactly pulls the plug? Do we wheel Timmy up to you and you give
> thumbs up or thumbs down deciding if he lives or dies?
>
> In fact there probably should be a board of physicians someplace that
> does that very thing. It'd hurt
WILTON wrote:
Oh, that's Charlotte, MI, right? Not Charlotte, NC.
Bingo. County seat of Eaton County.
Back in the 1980's, I'd read the town council minutes in the paper, and wonder
how that flaming arsehole got to be council president when he treated ALL his
constituents the same way he tre
Oh, that's Charlotte, MI, right? Not Charlotte, NC.
Wilton
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:33 PM
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LarryT wrote:
LarryT (who won't back out of th
get tickets are
the ones that swear at the cop. Claims about 70% get tickets...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:36:29 -0400
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LarryT wrote:
re: driving as suicide -
IMO driving it's easier to prove an intentional accident than flying but
I may be wrong.
The ones I hear described as suicide are the ones with suicide notes and/or
kamikaze runs where they go head-on to a semi truck like a guided missile. I
don't know
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LarryT wrote:
I may b
BTW, I looked up skydiving stats. USA averages about 33 deaths per year, or 1.1
per thousand participants. I saw one stat that claimed 68 deaths worldwide in 2008.
Everybody seems to be saying that most deaths are the result of risk taking by
highly experienced divers. It might also be that the g
LarryT wrote:
I may be wrong, but I believe those 2 activities are relatively easy to
do and just as easily commit suicide when doing so - making it difficult
for the insurance co to *prove* they didn't commit suicide.
As opposed to driving?
BTW, a friend was taking sky-diving lessons - on
he'll walk funny for ever.
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Let's go one better and deny m
absolute non-issue; if a helmet is required where you're ticketed and
you're riding without one, you're guilty. simple as that.
you might try to fight it if there's some way you could prove that
there's no way you could have known you were in that state, but it would
be up to the judge to dec
Allan Streib wrote:
That's not really far-fetched at all. My term life insurance policy
stipulates no coverage for skydiving or piloting a private plane, for
example. Why those particular activities were singled out I have no
idea, but since I can say confidently that it will never apply to me
Allan Streib wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:35 -0500, "OK Don" wrote:
Well interesting point, here in Indiana it's perfectly legal to ride
your motorcycle around without a helmet, but you better not go anywhere
in your car without a seat belt on.
I always wondered what happened if you rode int
LarryT wrote:
LarryT (who won't back out of the driveway without 1st putting my seat
belt on)
I do it immediately after pulling out onto the street. That's how I got that
belt ticket, I was driving my Saab 99EMS, and it was the day I discovered that
folding the back seat of a two door 99 wit
life, if I recall.
Dan
--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Allan Streib wrote:
> From: Allan Streib
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:56 PM
>
>
> On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:38 -0700, "Greg Fiorentino&qu
It was that way in Florida as well. Only exception is riders under 21 - in
Florida you have to wear a helmet until you're 21, or you risk a suspension of
your endorsement.
Dan
--- On Mon, 9/21/09, Allan Streib wrote:
> From: Allan Streib
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
That's a very emotional argument but I would never expect society to take
responsibility for me if I delibe
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:38 -0700, "Greg Fiorentino"
wrote:
> I'm not frustrated by this...just happy that my hyperbolic proposal
> generated some thought. I know we could morally or practically do no
> such thing. Perhaps require risk-based insurance that would cover
> emergency response, medi
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:35 -0500, "OK Don" wrote:
> Same thing applies to motorcycle helmet laws --
Well interesting point, here in Indiana it's perfectly legal to ride
your motorcycle around without a helmet, but you better not go anywhere
in your car without a seat belt on.
Allan
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From: "Greg Fiorentino"
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
I agree with you 100% Allan...I think that someone who refuses to wear a
seat belt shoul
Haley"
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LarryT wrote:
As for the foot in the door approach - they've done it with all kinds
of things - it's why I fight the camera tickets so hard every time they
start t
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of dave walton
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
I share Greg's frustration. Roughly 1.5 - 2 million people each year
suffer a Tr
Same thing applies to motorcycle helmet laws --
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:
> I sorta agree with your sentiments, but that statement is not generally
> true. What happens when you are ejected or thrown around in your car after
> a c
, but does
understand why it is sometimes a good idea
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:25 AM
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wrote:
> From: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
> To: "Diesel List"
> Date: Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:19 PM
> Who exactly pulls the plug? Do we
> wheel Timmy up to you and you give thumbs up or thumbs down
> deciding if he lives or dies?
>
&g
LarryT wrote:
As for the foot in the door approach - they've done it with all kinds
of things - it's why I fight the camera tickets so hard every time they
start talking about it in the legislature. IMO it's the ultimate
revenue machine.
Here's an airline stewardess from Arizona who agre
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I agree with you 100% Allan...I think that someone who refuses to wear a
s
es to "school" every day or so. He can't talk,
can't write, can't really do anything on his own, what good does "school"
really do for him? Its got to be kind of an easy gig for the "teacher"...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 10:47:51 -0400
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From: "Allan Streib"
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
On the subject of seat belt laws, here in Indiana when they enacted the
laws it was by getting a foot in the door, then a crowbar, and then
Eastern
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
I agree with you 100% Allan...I think that someone who refuses to wear a
seat belt should not have to pay a fine. I think he should be given a
choice in court to either pay the fine or to wear a medical bracelet from
then on waiving his right to emergency
'"
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I agree with you 100% Allan...I think that someone who refuses to wear a
seat belt should not have to pay a fine. I think he should be given a
choice in court to either pay the fine or to wear a medical br
<<>>
I assume that if you are seriously injured you have adequate insurance with
a multi-million dollar lifetime maximum? Alternately you could keep some
sort of cyanide capsule in your mouth so you can kill yourself if you think
you will be so injured. Otherwise you are planning on the rest of
1963, and they help your ass hold
on to the seat. Seat belts have saved my life twice, the way I see it.
>From: pm7...@comcast.net
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
>To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >
>Rotten Cop, pulling you over so he could give you a "Phony" citat
I share Greg's frustration. Roughly 1.5 - 2 million people each year
suffer a Traumatic Brain Injury. Most of those are from vehicle
accidents.
While it is politically incorrect to deny them medical coverage for
not wearing a seat belt, we could require that they join an HMO. The
end result is the
-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Greg Fiorentino
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
I agree with you 100% Allan...I think that someone who refuses to wear a
seat belt should not have to pay a fine. I think he should
Let's go one better and deny medical care for STDs and childbirth to people who
refuse to use condoms.
Makes as much sense as what you said.
Mitch.
Greg Fiorentino wrote:
I agree with you 100% Allan...I think that someone who refuses to wear a
seat belt should not have to pay a fine. I think
Powerstroke
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On the subject of seat belt laws, here in Indiana w
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Unfortunately, most of those vehicles are also missing headrests which
can turn a simple fender bender into a fatality.
But I suppose anyone looking for
; Purity at the expense of some danger.
>
> Randy
>
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Rotten Cop, pulling you over so he could give you a "Phony" citation for not
That's a very emotional argument but I would never expect society to take
responsibility for me if I deliberately did something that stupid. Where does
it end? Do we ban people from riding motorcycles? That's very dangerous. Go
rock climbing? Sky diving? Doing your own electrical work on y
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:04 +, pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
> This is a common but stupid defense.
>
> When some fool gets himself made a charge of the state because of
> traumatic brain injury, Who Pays???
You tell me. Don't forget to include a justification. And not a stupid one
either.
I sorta agree with your sentiments, but that statement is not generally
true. What happens when you are ejected or thrown around in your car
after a crash is that you are generally banged up, perhaps to a very
significant degree. That then costs your family, your insurance company
(and all th
This is a common but stupid defense.
When some fool gets himself made a charge of the state because of traumatic
brain injury, Who Pays???
--
Peter Arnold
Windsor, CT
Now, I always wear a seat belt anyway, and I think it's a good idea to do so,
but I don't think the government has any
I had photos of the painted-over sign, data on signs per mile
elsewhere in town compared to this area, etc. but didn't have to
present any of that.
If he'd have shown, you'd have needed it.
-- Jim
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On the subject of seat belt laws, here in Indiana when they enacted the laws it
was by getting a foot in the door, then a crowbar, and then a ram.
First law only applied to private passenger cars. Taxis, delivery vehicles,
etc. were exempt, as were trucks. It also only applied to the front sea
Rotten Cop, pulling you over so he could give you a "Phony" citation for not
wearing a seat belt. And he used his supervision to see this wile you were
driving past at 54mph.
My intended retirement domicile is in Texas, according to the local newspaper
about once every 2 weeks someone is dead
pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
Exception, not the rule.
Of course. AFAIK, there's only one place in the nation where the cops shoot you
in the back for pointing out their perjuries in court. Jericho, Arkansas,
population 174, which is about 1/30th the size of Jefferson, Iowa, home of our
IowaQs,
ndsor, CT
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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 8:52:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ticketable
Peter T. Arnold wrote:
> I think it should say, "Violator Beware.
Some people have all the luck!
You don't have to be a "violator" to get a ticket. It is just
another gummit program to raise money. They will give you a ticket
and lie under oath if they decide they want to get you. You for sure
don't have to be speeding to get a speeding ticket. The cops
Peter T. Arnold wrote:
I think it should say, "Violator Beware."
Depends on the locale. There are places where you don't need to violate to get a
revenue slip, I mean ticket.
Down in Jericho, the fire chief started screaming something about perjury in
court after getting one too
I think it should say, "Violator Beware."
Pete, who has never been ticketd when he was driving at of w/in 10mph of
the limit
OK Don wrote:
AS larry was saying ---
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=948333
"Motorists beware: In some communities, police are
AS larry was saying ---
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=948333
"Motorists beware: In some communities, police are issuing tickets during
these hard times at a rate higher than ever in what critics say is an
attempt to raise revenue in order to offset budget shortfalls."
ime fighting consists of writing tickets. Which is a huge revenue
machine IMO.
LarryT
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Rolf Martin-Hoster wrote:
I think risking your life every day for 20 years is plenty enough.
Does that apply to everybody else who risks his life on the roads full time?
Truckers, taxi drivers, pizza delivery personnel? How about the people in the
ten most dangerous jobs in America, none of wh
I think risking your life every day for 20 years is plenty enough.
Certainly there are aholes out there but many cops do a good job which
goes unrecognized for many. It is a shame that such a fine profession
attracts so man worthless incompetent ego trippers.
-Rolf
Mitch Haley wrote:
relng...
Speaking of tickets, just was this list of the most and least ticketed cars
--
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> relng...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Reminds me of a long time ago
relng...@aol.com wrote:
Reminds me of a long time ago when a "small" engine problem reared it's
ugly head and I made a forced landing in I-5 south of Eugene Oregon, the OSP
trooper spent some time paging through his little book looking for something
he could ticket me for. Never found one.
A
> ...That's several years old (updated in 7/06). I like the part with the
> cops trying to find something to charge him with...
>
Reminds me of a long time ago when a "small" engine problem reared it's
ugly head and I made a forced landing in I-5 south of Eugene Oregon, the OSP
trooper spent so
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