Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread ernest breakfield
hi John! we've gotten almost 7 years out of a severely abused Optima (Red Top) in our J**p, but that's about it. (we have another with almost that much time on it in there now with no indication of it getting tired,... yet.) if people are actually getting 10 years out of them, i haven't

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:09:16 -0500 L Mark Finch wrote: > > > "Quality" doesn't mean much of anything by itself. It requires a > modifier, such as "high," "poor" or "questionable." When somebody speaks > of "a real quality item" it drives the editor in me right up the wall. The quality of Ford'

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: > mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > > On Behalf Of E M > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:12 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer > > > > I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread John Robbins
On 12/11/2009 9:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: I don't get that. Plastic ratchet pawls and/or sectors in a highly stressed and important area? Those ratchets usually see a few hundred pounds of force. I don't get it either... If nothing else, it should be a more substantial piece of plastic than w

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread L Mark Finch
benz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of ned kleinhenz > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:44 AM > To: Mercedes List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer > > That word "quality" has too many definitions to be meaningful. So I > don't b

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: "they are talking about the CDI, not the Bluetec." Yea, I figured that out. I thought the CDI had the Urea thing also. I forgot that was a newer emission component to make it 50 state compliant under the new standard. Donald H. Snook ___ http:

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
John Robbins wrote: and a few months ago the plastic piece that ratchets the parking brake broke. I don't get that. Plastic ratchet pawls and/or sectors in a highly stressed and important area? Those ratchets usually see a few hundred pounds of force. Reminds me of the ratcheting nylon clutc

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
2009 9:44 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer That word "quality" has too many definitions to be meaningful. So I don't blame MBZ for not talking about it. To some people, quality describes how many defects a new example includes. To other people (most o

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread ned kleinhenz
That word "quality" has too many definitions to be meaningful. So I don't blame MBZ for not talking about it. To some people, quality describes how many defects a new example includes. To other people (most of us) it describes how durable a particular model is. And still to other people quality

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
they are talking about the CDI, not the Bluetec. Donald Snook wrote: John F. wrote: "I too, love my 05 E320 CDI and have never had a better car. Just had to replace the glow plugs last month and that is it." I do think the CDI looks like a very nice car. I wish I could find a used one with

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread John Robbins
John Freer wrote: You actually have two batteries and the one on my 05 CDI which services the accessories went out at 50K and 4 years, still under warranty. Yep, according to the manual, the error message I'm seeing can be caused by three things: alternator, battery control module, or accessor

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread John Robbins
Donald Snook wrote: How has the urea injection thing worked out? Is that something you have to refill every once in a while? Where you do get the stuff? How does it work? Inquiring minds want to know. If you get a 2005 or 2006 you don't have that system. :) It is only the BlueTec 2007+ model

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread Donald Snook
John F. wrote: "I too, love my 05 E320 CDI and have never had a better car. Just had to replace the glow plugs last month and that is it." I do think the CDI looks like a very nice car. I wish I could find a used one with enough miles to make it reasonably priced. I was a little concerned th

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-11 Thread John Freer
John, you actually have two batteries and the one on my 05 CDI which services the accessories went out at 50K and 4 years, still under warranty. I too, love my 05 E320 CDI and have never had a better car. Just had to replace the glow plugs last month and that is it. John On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread John Robbins
LarryT wrote: Thx Ed - appreciate you keeping us aware of new MBs. My only problem, I feel cars should be judged after they have 100K miles or so on them before making any judgements about quality. My 2005 CDI has 101k on it. Still drives fantastic! :) The fit and finish is still excellent

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread LarryT
Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: "E M" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:35 PM To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer Hi Larry, I still dream about an old 6.3.

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread E M
gave me the opportunity to learn about this twist. > > LarryT > 91 300D > > OilAnalysis Time? > Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? > www.youroil.net > > > > -- > From: "E M" > > Sent: Thursday

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread LarryT
M To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a peek around. I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who don't have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the flo

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread E M
gt; -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of E M > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:12 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer > > I was in the area, so stopped off

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
edes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a peek around. I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who don't have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor. Anyway, I know there's isn&

[MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread E M
I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a peek around. I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who don't have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor. Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer models, but looking at th