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This was the existential crisis/mass hysteria of the moment as the whoohoo flu was just kicking off, early Dec. 2019. Media produced lies and muckraking where three months later Death and TP depletion took hold. https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2019/12/promoters-of-climate-anxiety.html clay >

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Cliff Mass was one of the best professors I ever had. We were still learning about the coming ice age when I took his class. El Nino was a brand new phenomenon and AIDS had a band preceding it. clay > On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 01:46:17

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On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 01:46:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > OK, but how does COVIF-19 compare (medical risk, media coverage, and > the public reaction) with Swine Flu, for example. And why do you think > it's different? Have a look at:

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good observation. In 2012, I classified them as the bernie comminists (hardliners) vs the socialsts (going the same place, just a little slower as to appear kind.)  (Willard) As for how many different standards, I tried to figure out how many different standards there are now a few years

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: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction ...and you should be VERY careful of what you choose to believe from anyone who finds a secret conspiracy in every single news event. Significant sign of metal i

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Not exactly. There are obviously different standards for different folks. But, IMO, it's the professional political class (Ds and many Rs) vs the usurper that succeeds where they consistently failed (failure is job security). > -Original Message- > From: Meade Dillon > > Different

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es > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:26 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Peter Frederick > Subject: Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction > > I'm far more worried about the part of the "press" that turns science into > conspiracy theories. Every

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The runs is one of the symptoms according to BBC report of what to watch for so you should self isolate. clay > On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I don't go to Walmart much but was at the supermarket last night. Other > than a few items like hand sanitizer,

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I went to Costco Thursday evening, hardly anyone there. Filled up the $600E320 (Benz content) with premium at lowest price in quite awhile, 26.2mpg Went in and bought fruit and a few other items. Went right to a self checkout. In and out in short order. Checked for TP, none, but everything else

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The panty and larder are getting a bit bare, but there is still probably enough to feed two people for a couple weeks with items on the shelves. Fridge is storing mostly condiments, as fresh food rots quickly. I last did shopping two weeks ago. Baked a loaf of bread yesterday to last the

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I did notice at the end of February the Fairbanks Costco was pretty low on toilet paper. Not at all like the weekend crowds of Anchorage shoppers, who are ALL OVER the place nearly crashing trolleys into each other and stacked high and deep at the check out. I am no longer going to frequent

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Issac Asimov Robots of Dawn Humans get so scared of each other, they sequester themselves, each to his own manor, with the robots (amazon? interwebz now?) their only physical contact with the world. I appreciate the poor doctor’s idea. I might be a bit of a eugenicist, but what does not

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Mortality is dropping. Last week it was hanging around 9%. With more data in the mix over the past week, Washington state and its socialist leadership has reduced the death rate to a meager 6.5%. Only 37 dead. Pretty good. Then again the number of infirm has doubled in the past week, and

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BBC had an article this morning about how the Brits are attempting to manage the plague so that it is delayed until summer months, so their nationalist socialist health care system is better able to cope with it while the kids are all home from schools. Instead of closing down schools now,

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Tell you mormon employers to furnish it, if they expect you to travel.   Hoarding is part of the religion, so they should be willing to share some of their hoard. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 3:20 PM: So before I left for my trip I wanted to buy some hand sanitizer just to

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I was down at the house of mouse August of 2004. Just in time for Charlie to come over from Tampa and STOMP on Orlando overnight.I really enjoyed the storm. Sat out on the condo balcony sucking down beers watching the palm trees dance with the power gone. Next morning SWMBA was taking us

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It is full hysteria mode now. Colleges are closing down campus and telling the kids to go home or at least get off campus. Any classes will be conducted online. Local (AK) k-12 was supposed to be on spring break, but have extended it by at least a week to allow teachers to gin up some manner

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We went grocery and gas shopping this afternoon. While the grocery store was busy, it was not excessively so, and everyone was fine - courteous, friendly, no panic. The toilet paper shelf was bare, but everything else was fine. I was the only one at the gas station. No general panic that I could

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I had mostly the same experience. I figured at 2pm I'd just pop into the grocery for milk and bananas as we were out. It was real busy but interestingly I thought people were pretty upbeat and kind to each other. Ground meat was totally gone, most of the chicken was too. Lots of beef. Pork

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Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of things we needed. OMG. You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy to get to a line that only had about three

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We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: How much food do you folks normally keep on

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We have plenty of cleaning supplies. These women were buying several years worth each...Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can't imagine what they think they're going to clean... Your house, since it will be teeming with

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So before I left for my trip I wanted to buy some hand sanitizer just to play it safe. All the stores in my little 1 stoplight town were sold out. People that are staying home not going anywhere are hoarding all of this stuff and the people like me that are out traveling for work can’t get it.

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Kurley - this is for you: *// “CERTAINLY NOT A CRAPPY EDITION”: *It’s not a Colorado story, but this is too good not to share. An Australian newspaper ran an eight-page special section that contained no photos, no stories –

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It is a matter of sheeple being herded by the mediaocrats.  The mediaocrats want power to herd all sheeple.   Some of us resist.   They don't tolerate resistance. Nearly everyone keeps enough food so as not to starve if they can't buy food for a couple weeks.  The exception is the folks who

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On 13/03/2020 11:58 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: So why not the same precautions and mania every winter when identified flus kill 30,000 to 60,000 Americans?    Nobody's answered that yet. I think you can answer that one yourself. This is something new and thus a bit more

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So why not the same precautions and mania every winter when identified flus kill 30,000 to 60,000 Americans?    Nobody's answered that yet. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 10:27 AM: Better safe than sorry. Get people's attention so when the problem fades away the stock market

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NAAA, can't be.   That's been dismisses as a "conspiracy theory" Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 10:06 AM: Different party (R vs. D), different standards? - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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I don't go to Walmart much but was at the supermarket last night. Other than a few items like hand sanitizer, stock levels were pretty normal. Plenty of produce, meats, and canned/boxed food. Whoever makes Clorox, Lysol, Purell and those types of products must be having a banner sales quarter. I

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Yes it is. You should try it, if you can find some available. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2019 Sprinter 600 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard still under general anesthesia Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via

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How much food do you folks normally keep on hand? My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of weeks if the need should arise. Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this

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Why Kerry Gold? Is it that different from/ better than domestic? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:04 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? > > Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines

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*I can't imagine what they think they're going to clean...* Your house, since it will be teeming with covid-19 loose virii due to your refusal to disinfect. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000

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>Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so I was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My

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Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP yesterday. People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town (about 10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too dumb to go one town over when something runs out. I watched two older

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:47 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My > wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery > stores were getting close to the point of having empty

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Are there any Covid 19 cases reported in Winnipeg or even Canada? Can you post a tracking map so we can plan our travel accordingly? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:47 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?

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Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart. We are not having

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Better safe than sorry. Get people's attention so when the problem fades away the stock market will soar. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:07 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Different party (R vs. D), different standards? > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On

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Different party (R vs. D), different standards? - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Remember the swine flu mania? > > The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack > Obama to

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Remember the swine flu mania? The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000 Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died.

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I read that article thinking that the cities are also very different from where I live. I often go several days without touching or interacting with a human being that doesn't live in my house. I work from home a lot anyway, walk the dog, shop once a week. Wave at the neighbor, maybe chat in

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This I totally agree with. As others have said the warnings about a massive viral infection have been there, pretty much constantly, my whole life. They were going to be right sometime... -Curt On Friday, March 13, 2020, 7:27:02 AM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm far

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I agree, the mortality rate among those not already immuno compromised is quite low, as low as the flu or maybe slightly higher. I don't believe this is worth ruining our economy over. -Curt On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 11:01:39 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: BTW, I am

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Peter - remember the old adage about lies, damn lies, and statistics. Specifically in the case of an epidemic, calculating the death rate is impossible, because you cannot determine the true number of people who get infected but never get tested because the symptoms are mild or non-existent.

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Thanks Don, perspective from "the front lines" is helpful. Keep in mind that Italy has socialized medicine, and note how it is failing them. Socialized medicine ala Bernie or Joe Biden would worsen our situation (rationing of care decided by government - NO THANKS!). Also keep in mind the in

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I'm far more worried about the part of the "press" that turns science into conspiracy theories. Every major societal issue is not a conspiracy to remove Trump from office -- and you should be VERY careful of what you choose to believe from anyone who finds a secret conspiracy in every single

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I really don't care for Joe Rogan. However, this guest is particularly knowledgeable about infectious disease. A good listen. https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

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I know that this isn't from Fox "news", but it is from the perspective of a Dr. in Italy sharing her experiences treating this virus: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/young-and-unafraid-of-the-pandemic-good-for-you-now-stop-killing-people/ar-BB113BXB?li=BBnb7Kz On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at

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It will be clear well before November whether this is blown out of proportion. I happen to think it is, not because of any special knowledge but because going back to the earliest virus panic I remember, which was the swine flu in the mid 1970s, the news was always more dire than the reality.

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot > of business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the > month has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things > out

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>Gonna be a rough one I agree, but IMO it's going to be rough because of the overreaction and outright panic of the masses. >in fact, the major outbreak of novel disease many >epidemiologists have been >losing sleep over for th >last couple decades This isn't it. Since the press has

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While you're earnestly trying to "separate fact from fiction", every major sporting event has been canceled or postponed, and the Smithsonian and Kennedy Center in DC have closed their doors through the end of March. I was told that all Fed government workers will be told to stay home and

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BTW, I am NOT saying it is not serious.  just trying to separate the facts from the fiction. There is a bit of the "boy who cried wolf" effect also and it is real. Since 1999, every year we have had a "Sky is Falling" event every year. So far, the sky is still above, and the sun comes up each

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hmmm. washington compost and nytimes both say that travel was restricted Jan 31. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/01/31/trump-weighs-tighter-china-travel-restrictions-response-coronavirus/ And then there 

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Well said. My son was just told to go home from his Michigan state college until further notice. All classes will be online. My take is they are trying to slow the process down so the hospitals are not overrun. Michael E. Esh > On Mar 12, 2020, at 10:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes

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I'm afraid it's too late. We just started restricting travel and banning large groups in the last couple days instead of eight weeks ago. Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that we already have more cases than Europe, we just don't know it yet. No way to tell because we didn't start

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Surely you would admit that without the travel bans, increased handwashing, decreased travel, closing many gatherings that attract large groups, and other precautions that Americans have implemented, that "something" has been done to "control it." Without these controls, i would speculate that

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Xackly!    Why don't we shut down the mouse, the NBA and all the tournaments every winter for the flu, which kills 30,000 to 60,000 each year?    "IF WE COULD SAVE JUST  ONE LIFE"    that works for everything else, except the flu, medical error, cancer, heart disease, etc, that really kill

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This is actually real. Very contagious, more so that flu (3.5 persons infected on average by every contagious person) and a death rate from 2 to 5%, heavily skewed to older (60 +) individuals. Serious disease rate is around 20% -- that, requiring hospitalization. China managed to stop it by

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YES!   absolutly!    Wodka reference intended Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 7:42 PM: With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has been postponed is this actually real or

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They are making it political that’s for sure. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but > I repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will

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Pandemic or Dempanic? You decide! --FT Sent from iPhone > On Mar 12, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > The media and the democrats (but I repeat myself) are hyping this really > hard, trying to drive panic ___

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I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but I repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will cause a recession, and hope that helps their election odds. Trump is over-reacting in order to show that he's doing something, to help his

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As far as I can tell it's a fairly mild illness. The people who die were waiting for something like the flu to get them. Young people don't seem to be effected at all. At this point I'm bored with all the yapping from those that know nothing but want to buy toilet paper anyway... Curt Sent

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The answer lies somewhere in between. I have decided to just go about my business. If I don’t get snakebit or hit by a truck or t-boned at an intersection I might or might not be infected. Right now it would be hard to tell in amongst the pollen whack on my respiratory system and eyes if I have

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of > business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has > been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out

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Never been there. Maybe it will be a ghost town around there. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > They just announced that it was Disney World, too. > > If you’ve never been to Orlando, you can’t begin to grasp how much literally >

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They just announced that it was Disney World, too. If you’ve never been to Orlando, you can’t begin to grasp how much literally everything there hinges on the Mouse. It drives their economy. -D > On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > World too? I thought I

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World too? I thought I was just land. The impact to the economy will be far worse than the danger from the virus Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Disney World is closing down. That’s serious. The Mouse closes for no man. > This will

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Disney World is closing down. That’s serious. The Mouse closes for no man. This will put a HUGE ding in the economy in Orlando. Everything revolves around the Mouse. -D > On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > With all of these places closing down, our company

[MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or proportion? Sent from my iPhone ___