subject:"\[MBZ\] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction"

The runs is one of the symptoms according to BBC report of what to watch for so 
you should self isolate.

clay


> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't go to Walmart much but was at the supermarket last night. Other
> than a few items like hand sanitizer, stock levels were pretty
> normal. Plenty of produce, meats, and canned/boxed food.
> 
> Whoever makes Clorox, Lysol, Purell and those types of products must be
> having a banner sales quarter.
> 
> I don't understand the hoarding of toilet paper. I have not heard that
> this virus really causes gastric upset.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I went to Costco Thursday evening, hardly anyone there. Filled up the $600E320 
(Benz content) with premium at lowest price in quite awhile, 26.2mpg

Went in and bought fruit and a few other items. Went right to a self checkout. 
In and out in short order. Checked for TP, none, but everything else was there. 
People were buying paper towels (ouch).

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of 
> things we needed.
> 
> OMG.
> 
> You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute 
> insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy 
> to get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other lines 
> snaked back halfway across the store.
> 
> I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a 1/4 
> tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow when 
> I go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
>> frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
>> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   How 
>> much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
>> 
>> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
>> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
>> weeks if the need should arise.
>> 
>> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
>> turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
>> a much longer period of time?
>> 
>> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
>> issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

The panty and larder are getting a bit bare, but there is still probably enough 
to feed two people for a couple weeks with items on the shelves.  Fridge is 
storing mostly condiments, as fresh food rots quickly.  I last did shopping two 
weeks ago.  Baked a loaf of bread yesterday to last the week.  Far too much 
fish in the freezer from last summer.

I will do fine.  SWMBA will go shopping in the morning and return with poo 
paper.

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> 
> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of weeks if 
> the need should arise.
> 
> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could turn 
> into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for a much 
> longer period of time?
> 
> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the issue of 
> things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

I did notice at the end of February the Fairbanks Costco was pretty low on 
toilet paper.  Not at all like the weekend crowds of Anchorage shoppers, who 
are ALL OVER the place nearly crashing trolleys into each other and stacked 
high and deep at the check out.

I am no longer going to frequent the Costco because they are no longer 
providing samples.  How am I to have a meal while shopping if there are no 
little kiosks of hard working people cooking  up odd foods and putting them on 
trays for us to patiently await our opportunity for gustatory delight?

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My wife 
> was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery stores 
> were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that there were 
> lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
> 
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Issac Asimov

Robots of Dawn

Humans get so scared of each other, they sequester themselves, each to his own 
manor, with the robots (amazon? interwebz now?) their only physical contact 
with the world.

I appreciate the poor doctor’s idea.  I might be a bit of a eugenicist, but 
what does not kill us (the human race) will make us stronger.  This virus is 
here to stay.  Better we develop a community/herd immunity among the youngest, 
so when it comes around next year, or the year after, it is less of a hassle.

I doubt there will be much positive action taken from whatever is learned.  All 
manner of preventable illness keep popping up due to lack of attention every 
cruise season, be it Legionaire’s, e. coli, c. dificile, or some other plague.  
This too will join the pestilence we visit upon ourselves.

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know that this isn't from Fox "news", but it is from the perspective of a
> Dr. in Italy sharing her experiences treating this virus:
> 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/young-and-unafraid-of-the-pandemic-good-for-you-now-stop-killing-people/ar-BB113BXB?li=BBnb7Kz
> 

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Mortality is dropping.  Last week it was hanging around 9%.  With more data in 
the mix over the past week, Washington state and its socialist leadership has 
reduced the death rate to a meager 6.5%.  Only 37 dead.  Pretty good.

Then again the number of infirm has doubled in the past week, and 67% of the 
cadavers this has generated were from one facility.  

The county purchased a motel to use as quarantine facility, which has angered a 
few people in that town.  New keystone kops event - A homeless guy checked into 
the holding zone and was awaiting test results.  He got bored, walked out, 
crossed the street to a store, shoplifted a few things, then caught a transit 
bus to parts unknown.  The bus has been detained for cleansing, the store and 
employee are being sanitized, and the infected mook is on the run, spreading 
the whoohoo flu to the unhoused.

Will it become something akin to Chernobyl, where there are large holes dug in 
the ground, the dead are tossed in, then encased in concrete?  Or will the 
highway department just send out folks in hazmat gear with flame throwers to 
clear out underpasses and highway verges?

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BTW, I am NOT saying it is not serious.  just trying to separate the facts 
> from the fiction.
> 
> There is a bit of the "boy who cried wolf" effect also and it is real. Since 
> 1999, every year we have had a "Sky is Falling" event every year. So far, the 
> sky is still above, and the sun comes up each day.

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

BBC had an article this morning about how the Brits are attempting to manage 
the plague so that it is delayed until summer months, so their nationalist 
socialist health care system is better able to cope with it while the kids are 
all home from schools.  Instead of closing down schools now, which will force 
healthcare workers to stay home with the kids while the normal ebb and flow of 
winter and spring ailments are culling the herd.

The idea is to instead of having a sharp and swift peak in the bell curve, then 
resolution, with possible re-occurances in Autumn, that the whoohoo flu will 
slowly build to a minor hump sometime in early July, then very gradually peter 
out over an extended period into the deep fall.

 “The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men 
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!”

Robert Burns, To a Mouse

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but 
> I repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will 
> cause a recession, and hope that helps their election odds. Trump is 
> over-reacting in order to show that he's doing something, to help his 
> re-election. If both sides would focus on a measured appropriate response, in 
> the best interests of the country, we'd be just fine. Instead they are making 
> a mountain from a mole hill.
> 
> Normal seasonal flu is still more deadly.
> 
> The swine flu killed over a thousand Americans before barry declared an 
> emergency, no panic back then.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Tell you mormon employers to furnish it, if they expect you to travel.   
Hoarding is part of the religion, so they should be willing to share 
some of their hoard.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 3:20 PM:

So before I left for my trip I wanted to buy some hand sanitizer just to play 
it safe. All the stores in my little 1 stoplight town were sold out. People 
that are staying home not going anywhere are hoarding all of this stuff and the 
people like me that are out traveling for work can’t get it.





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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

I was down at the house of mouse August of 2004.  Just in time for Charlie to 
come over from Tampa and STOMP on Orlando overnight.I really enjoyed the 
storm.  Sat out on the condo balcony sucking down beers watching the palm trees 
dance with the power gone.  Next morning SWMBA was taking us all to see the 
mouse.  Forget which park, but by the time we got there around 1000 hrs, the 
damn place was open and they were sweeping up debris and uprighting trees and 
things.  The rest of the town resembled Puerto Rico or Bahamas for the next 
week.  Lower attendance figures at the parks, so we must have hit at least 
three attractions within three days.

Now the LGBTQRSTWXYZ parades will have to be called off that were on the 
schedules

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Never been there. Maybe it will be a ghost town around there. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

It is full hysteria mode now.

Colleges are closing down campus and telling the kids to go home or at least 
get off campus.  Any classes will be conducted online.  Local (AK) k-12 was 
supposed to be on spring break, but have extended it by at least a week to 
allow teachers to gin up some manner of online classes while the custodial 
staff is swabbing down schools as quickly as possible.  Would be better off 
with DDT in the hallways.. but nobody asked me.  There is the possibility 
schools remain closed for the term depending upon how widely hysteria takes 
hold.  So far only one truly infected person on the ground.  Member of the 
flight crew of a “foreign” air cargo transport.  Full contagion actions taken 
to sequester the offender.

SWMBA has had all her travel rescinded for the next six weeks if not longer.  
Out of an abundance of caution all the conferences and other meetings were 
canceled outright, so no travel to worry about.  Her office purchased two of 
the jumbo cases of 90% alcohol dispensers and each desk has a half gallon 
container.  She flew in to ANC in the early hours of this morning 0210 with a 
737 packed to the gills with travelers out of SEA (connections more than 
likely).  Her flight out of RNO to SEA had been fully booked as of Tuesday, but 
was minus 43 passengers flying out Thursday.  The oil fields have their own 
charter flights, but now have “health screening” for workers boarding.

As for me, the youngest child is going to be flying up from PDX at the end of 
next week for spring break from university.  Campus has closed down classes and 
food service gathering spots, so any meals will have to be delivered to the 
dorms for pick up at the front door.  Grub hub and Pizza delivery are getting a 
work out.   School administration has suggested the kids not return to campus 
and remain home with parents or other guardians and complete online instruction.

I just got off the phone with my 90 year old mother.  She is self isolating, 
but running out of food and is on a restricted diet.  She tells me there was a 
fatality in her town, her geriatric group is disbanded, the olde folkes homes 
are hermetically sealing up, but the weather has been nice and she spent two 
days this week playing in her garden.  Pissed off that she voted for a Dem in 
the primary and that evening the candidate dropped out.

SO, I have going to be stuck with an unemployed college child, in a town with 
diminishing employment opportunities, who will be trying to surf the web and 
attempt to keep up with online lectures on a dead slow DSL connection that on a 
good day will get 1.1mbps.  Extended learning term for the Olde Phartes is 
supposed to begin April 1, but most of the venues have been declared no go 
zones for the aged and infirm.  The drop in oil prices has yet to translate 
into reduced cost at the pump, because AK oil is shipped south to WA 
refineries, which are headed for nationalization by the socialist governor, 
then shipped back up for use on the road or as JetA.

My $0.02 would be to allow the forest to burn itself out, which it will, given 
time.  All this hand wringing will not have a discernible impact other than to 
crater things that would be better left chugging along.  

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
> been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
> proportion?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

We went grocery and gas shopping this afternoon. While the grocery store
was busy, it was not excessively so, and everyone was fine - courteous,
friendly, no panic. The toilet paper shelf was bare, but everything else
was fine.
I was the only one at the gas station. No general panic that I could see.
We are stocked up for at least two months with food - not much more than
usual - the result of shopping sales on frozen foods.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I had mostly the same experience. I figured at 2pm I'd just pop into the
> grocery for milk and bananas as we were out. It was real busy but
> interestingly I thought people were pretty upbeat and kind to each other.
> Ground meat was totally gone, most of the chicken was too. Lots of beef.
> Pork tenderloin and corned beef are still on sale. We've already got 3 pork
> and one corned beef so I declined to pick up another. Probably should have
> gotten a corned beef, I like corned beef. ;)
> Some people buying TP but not crowds like I saw at the pharmacy yesterday.
> Gas station was very busy but I think thats probably normal for a Friday
> afternoon. People were rude/dumb which I think is also probably normal...
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020, 5:20:07 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of
> things we needed.
>
> OMG.
>
> You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was
> absolute insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the
> pharmacy to get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other
> lines snaked back halfway across the store.
>
> I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a
> 1/4 tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow
> when I go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose,
> venison, frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:  How much
> food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> >
> > My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we
> > normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of
> > weeks if the need should arise.
> >
> > Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could
> > turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for
> > a much longer period of time?
> >
> > Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the
> > issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> >
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 I had mostly the same experience. I figured at 2pm I'd just pop into the 
grocery for milk and bananas as we were out. It was real busy but interestingly 
I thought people were pretty upbeat and kind to each other. Ground meat was 
totally gone, most of the chicken was too. Lots of beef. Pork tenderloin and 
corned beef are still on sale. We've already got 3 pork and one corned beef so 
I declined to pick up another. Probably should have gotten a corned beef, I 
like corned beef. ;)
Some people buying TP but not crowds like I saw at the pharmacy yesterday.
Gas station was very busy but I think thats probably normal for a Friday 
afternoon. People were rude/dumb which I think is also probably normal...
-Curt

On Friday, March 13, 2020, 5:20:07 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of 
things we needed.

OMG.

You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute 
insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy to 
get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other lines snaked 
back halfway across the store.

I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a 1/4 
tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow when I 
go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.

-D

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
> frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
>Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  How 
>much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> 
> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
> weeks if the need should arise.
> 
> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
> turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
> a much longer period of time?
> 
> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
> issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of 
things we needed.

OMG.

You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute 
insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy to 
get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other lines snaked 
back halfway across the store.

I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a 1/4 
tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow when I 
go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.

-D

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
> frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   How 
> much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> 
> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
> weeks if the need should arise.
> 
> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
> turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
> a much longer period of time?
> 
> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
> issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> 
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We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   How much food do you folks normally 
keep on hand?

My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
weeks if the need should arise.

Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
a much longer period of time?

Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.


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We have plenty of cleaning supplies. These women were buying several years 
worth each...Curt

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wrote:   I can't imagine what they think they're going to clean...
Your house, since it will be teeming with covid-19 loose virii due to your 
refusal to disinfect.  

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP yesterday. 
People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town (about 
10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too dumb to 
go one town over when something runs out.
I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't 
imagine what they think they're going to clean...
-Curt

    On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:47:17 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.

We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.


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2020-03-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

So before I left for my trip I wanted to buy some hand sanitizer just to play 
it safe. All the stores in my little 1 stoplight town were sold out. People 
that are staying home not going anywhere are hoarding all of this stuff and the 
people like me that are out traveling for work can’t get it.  

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP 
> yesterday. People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town 
> (about 10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too 
> dumb to go one town over when something runs out.
> I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't 
> imagine what they think they're going to clean...
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:47:17 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
> 
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
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Kurley - this is for you:

*// “CERTAINLY NOT A CRAPPY EDITION”: *It’s not a Colorado story, but this
is too good not to share. An Australian newspaper ran an eight-page special
section that contained no photos, no stories –
–
nothing but cut-lines so readers could trim the pages into emergency toilet
paper. The NT News, which serves the Northern Territories, came up with the
idea in response to the run on essentials that left many store shelves
bare. *// CNN*


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> It is a matter of sheeple being herded by the mediaocrats.  The
> mediaocrats want power to herd all sheeple.   Some of us resist.   They
> don't tolerate resistance.
>
> Nearly everyone keeps enough food so as not to starve if they can't buy
> food for a couple weeks.  The exception is the folks who don't cook and
> eat at restaurants all the time.   THey probably do have a week's supply
> of Doritos.
>
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 11:17 AM:
> > How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> >
> > My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels
> > we normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple
> > of weeks if the need should arise.
> >
> > Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could
> > turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies
> > for a much longer period of time?
> >
> > Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the
> > issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> >
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It is a matter of sheeple being herded by the mediaocrats.  The 
mediaocrats want power to herd all sheeple.   Some of us resist.   They 
don't tolerate resistance.


Nearly everyone keeps enough food so as not to starve if they can't buy 
food for a couple weeks.  The exception is the folks who don't cook and 
eat at restaurants all the time.   THey probably do have a week's supply 
of Doritos.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 11:17 AM:

How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?

My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels 
we normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple 
of weeks if the need should arise.


Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies 
for a much longer period of time?


Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.





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2020-03-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 13/03/2020 11:58 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
So why not the same precautions and mania every winter when identified 
flus kill 30,000 to 60,000 Americans?    Nobody's answered that yet.



I think you can answer that one yourself. This is something new and thus 
a bit more concerning. Plus the media hype has made it a daily news item.



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So why not the same precautions and mania every winter when identified 
flus kill 30,000 to 60,000 Americans?    Nobody's answered that yet.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 10:27 AM:

Better safe than sorry.  Get people's attention so when the problem fades
away the stock market will soar.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:07 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Different party (R vs. D), different standards?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Remember the swine flu mania?

 The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
 Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
 WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
 Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
 coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
 declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
 vengeance in the fall.

 Yet the press barely covered any of these events.

 When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
 CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
 pile of links on the side of the page.

 A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
 CNN’s home page/.




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NAAA, can't be.   That's been dismisses as a "conspiracy theory"

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 10:06 AM:

Different party (R vs. D), different standards?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Remember the swine flu mania?

 The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
 Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
 WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
 Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
 coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
 declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
 vengeance in the fall.

 Yet the press barely covered any of these events.

 When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
 CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
 pile of links on the side of the page.

 A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
 CNN’s home page/.





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2020-03-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

I don't go to Walmart much but was at the supermarket last night. Other
than a few items like hand sanitizer, stock levels were pretty
normal. Plenty of produce, meats, and canned/boxed food.

Whoever makes Clorox, Lysol, Purell and those types of products must be
having a banner sales quarter.

I don't understand the hoarding of toilet paper. I have not heard that
this virus really causes gastric upset.

Allan

Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:

> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
>
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
>

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2020-03-13 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

Yes it is. You should try it, if you can find some available.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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> Why Kerry Gold?  Is it that different from/ better than domestic?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:04 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?
>> 
>> Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were
>> horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so
>> I was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My
>> prescription hasn't been filled yet.
>> 
>> It's sad really. I'm surprised more people didn't have cookbooks in their
>> carts too. I suspect most of the hoarded supplies will end up going to
>> waste.
>> 
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2020-03-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?

My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
weeks if the need should arise.


Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
a much longer period of time?


Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.



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Why Kerry Gold?  Is it that different from/ better than domestic?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?
>
> Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were
> horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so
> I was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My
> prescription hasn't been filled yet.
>
> It's sad really. I'm surprised more people didn't have cookbooks in their
> carts too. I suspect most of the hoarded supplies will end up going to
> waste.
>
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*I can't imagine what they think they're going to clean...*

Your house, since it will be teeming with covid-19 loose virii due to your
refusal to disinfect.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP
> yesterday. People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little
> town (about 10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding
> and too dumb to go one town over when something runs out.
> I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't
> imagine what they think they're going to clean...
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:47:17 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
>
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
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2020-03-13 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

>Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?

Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were 
horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so I 
was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My 
prescription hasn't been filled yet. 

It's sad really. I'm surprised more people didn't have cookbooks in their carts 
too. I suspect most of the hoarded supplies will end up going to waste. 

Rick
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 Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP yesterday. 
People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town (about 
10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too dumb to 
go one town over when something runs out.
I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't 
imagine what they think they're going to clean...
-Curt

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 wrote:  
 
 Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.

We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.


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2020-03-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:47 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.

Apart from the shelves being cleared of TP, my local Dollar General was
pretty much normal when I stopped in a few minutes ago.

-MMM-
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Are there any Covid 19 cases reported in Winnipeg or even Canada?  Can you
post a tracking map so we can plan our travel accordingly?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:47 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
>
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
>
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2020-03-13 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.


We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.


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Better safe than sorry.  Get people's attention so when the problem fades
away the stock market will soar.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:07 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Different party (R vs. D), different standards?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Remember the swine flu mania?
> >
> > The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
> > Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
> > WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
> > Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
> > coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
> > declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
> > vengeance in the fall.
> >
> > Yet the press barely covered any of these events.
> >
> > When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
> > CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
> > pile of links on the side of the page.
> >
> > A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
> > CNN’s home page/.
> >
> >
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2020-03-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Different party (R vs. D), different standards?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Remember the swine flu mania?
>
> The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
> Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
> WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
> Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
> coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
> declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
> vengeance in the fall.
>
> Yet the press barely covered any of these events.
>
> When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
> CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
> pile of links on the side of the page.
>
> A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
> CNN’s home page/.
>
>
>
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2020-03-13 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Remember the swine flu mania?

The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
vengeance in the fall.

Yet the press barely covered any of these events.

When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
pile of links on the side of the page.

A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
CNN’s home page/.

--FT

On 3/13/20 10:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

This I totally agree with. As others have said the warnings about a massive
viral infection have been there, pretty much constantly, my whole life. They
were going to be right sometime...
-Curt

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wrote:

I'm far more worried about the part of the "press" that turns science into conspiracy theories. Every major societal issue is not a conspiracy to remove Trump from office -- and you should be VERY careful of what you choose to believe from anyone who finds a secret conspiracy in every single news event. Significant sign of metal illness as far as I'm concerned..

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 I read that article thinking that the cities are also very different from 
where I live. I often go several days without touching or interacting with a 
human being that doesn't live in my house. I work from home a lot anyway, walk 
the dog, shop once a week. Wave at the neighbor, maybe chat in the driveway but 
thats about it. No subway, no crowded market, I go to the grocery store at 9pm 
and breeze through the place...
Chatting with my hunting buddy he asked when I was headed to camp. I suspect 
small towns are the place to be just now.

-Curt

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 wrote:  

 Thanks Don, perspective from "the front lines" is helpful.

Keep in mind that Italy has socialized medicine, and note how it is failing
them.  Socialized medicine ala Bernie or Joe Biden would worsen our
situation (rationing of care decided by government - NO THANKS!).

Also keep in mind the in Italy and much of Europe and Asia, the cultural
norm for personal space during interaction in both public and private
settings is much much closer than here in the US of A.  I lived there for 3
years, and at first it was very un-nerving when a complete stranger invaded
my personal space.  In American, when I stop to talk with store clerk or
ask directions of a stranger, we typically stay 3 or more feet apart.  In
Italy, 1 foot or less.  Queue up to buy an espresso or a paper or at the
post office, and expect people to be nearly pressing against you. This
contributes to spreading the virus.

Thirdly, smoking tobacco is far more common in RTW, especially Asia.  This
addiction increases the severity of the symptoms, and I think contributes
to their higher rate of mortality.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:48 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I know that this isn't from Fox "news", but it is from the perspective of a
> Dr. in Italy sharing her experiences treating this virus:
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/young-and-unafraid-of-the-pandemic-good-for-you-now-stop-killing-people/ar-BB113BXB?li=BBnb7Kz
>
>
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 This I totally agree with. As others have said the warnings about a massive 
viral infection have been there, pretty much constantly, my whole life. They 
were going to be right sometime...
-Curt

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 wrote:  
 
 I'm far more worried about the part of the "press" that turns science into 
conspiracy theories.  Every major societal issue is not a conspiracy to remove 
Trump from office -- and you should be VERY careful of what you choose to 
believe from anyone who finds a secret conspiracy in every single news event.  
Significant sign of metal illness as far as I'm concerned..
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 I agree, the mortality rate among those not already immuno compromised is 
quite low, as low as the flu or maybe slightly higher. I don't believe this is 
worth ruining our economy over.
-Curt

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 BTW, I am NOT saying it is not serious.  just trying to separate the 
facts from the fiction.

There is a bit of the "boy who cried wolf" effect also and it is real. 
Since 1999, every year we have had a "Sky is Falling" event every year. 
So far, the sky is still above, and the sun comes up each day.

Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 9:33 PM:
> I'm afraid it's too late.  We just started restricting travel and banning 
> large groups in the last couple days instead of eight weeks ago.
>
> Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that we already have more cases than 
> Europe, we just don't know it yet.
>
> No way to tell because we didn't start producing test kits until last week 
> instead of at the beginning of February, or better yet, mid January when 
> things started going out of control in China.
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2020-03-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Peter - remember the old adage about lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Specifically in the case of an epidemic, calculating the death rate is
impossible, because you cannot determine the true number of people who get
infected but never get tested because the symptoms are mild or
non-existent.

Death rate:  Number of people dying divided by number of people infected.
You need both numbers.  Number that died is relatively easy.  Number that
were infected, that is impossible to know with certainty.

The observed death rate, especially at the start, will be much higher
because of this bias (all the deaths are counted, but many of the infected
that are not too sick are never counted).  Harder still when there is not
any way to test for the virus!

It is far easier, and much more comforting, to just look at the total
number that have died, and put than number in perspective.  Normal seasonal
flu is killing FAR MORE PEOPLE!  Over 16,000 in the USA alone have died
from seasonal flu, we are still under 100 that have died from the Wuhan
virus.

If you are in the population at risk, older than 70 or 80, or have an
underlying health condition (see the CDC website) or you are a heavy
smoker, then you should be taking all the precautions and staying in
isolation as much as possible.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:13 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is actually real.  Very contagious, more so that flu (3.5 persons
> infected on average by every contagious person) and a death rate from 2 to
> 5%, heavily skewed to older (60 +) individuals.
>
> Serious disease rate is around 20% -- that, requiring hospitalization.
>
>
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2020-03-13 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Thanks Don, perspective from "the front lines" is helpful.

Keep in mind that Italy has socialized medicine, and note how it is failing
them.  Socialized medicine ala Bernie or Joe Biden would worsen our
situation (rationing of care decided by government - NO THANKS!).

Also keep in mind the in Italy and much of Europe and Asia, the cultural
norm for personal space during interaction in both public and private
settings is much much closer than here in the US of A.  I lived there for 3
years, and at first it was very un-nerving when a complete stranger invaded
my personal space.  In American, when I stop to talk with store clerk or
ask directions of a stranger, we typically stay 3 or more feet apart.  In
Italy, 1 foot or less.  Queue up to buy an espresso or a paper or at the
post office, and expect people to be nearly pressing against you. This
contributes to spreading the virus.

Thirdly, smoking tobacco is far more common in RTW, especially Asia.  This
addiction increases the severity of the symptoms, and I think contributes
to their higher rate of mortality.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:48 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I know that this isn't from Fox "news", but it is from the perspective of a
> Dr. in Italy sharing her experiences treating this virus:
>
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/young-and-unafraid-of-the-pandemic-good-for-you-now-stop-killing-people/ar-BB113BXB?li=BBnb7Kz
>
>
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2020-03-13 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

I'm far more worried about the part of the "press" that turns science into 
conspiracy theories.  Every major societal issue is not a conspiracy to remove 
Trump from office -- and you should be VERY careful of what you choose to 
believe from anyone who finds a secret conspiracy in every single news event.  
Significant sign of metal illness as far as I'm concerned..
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2020-03-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

I really don't care for Joe Rogan. However, this guest is particularly 
knowledgeable about infectious disease. A good listen. 

https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw

Rick


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2020-03-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

I know that this isn't from Fox "news", but it is from the perspective of a
Dr. in Italy sharing her experiences treating this virus:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/young-and-unafraid-of-the-pandemic-good-for-you-now-stop-killing-people/ar-BB113BXB?li=BBnb7Kz



On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:45 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> It will be clear well before November whether this is blown out of
> proportion.
>
> I happen to think it is, not because of any special knowledge but
> because going back to the earliest virus panic I remember, which was the
> swine flu in the mid 1970s, the news was always more dire than the
> reality.
>
> Also, as time has gone by the news has become infused with drama and
> overt partisanship. This is further amplified now by social media.
>
> But I may be wrong this time. We'll know soon enough.
>
> Allan
>
> Craig via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot
> >> of business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the
> >> month has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things
> >> out or proportion?
> >
> > "The powers that be" are blowing things out of proportion to destroy the
> > economy and rob Donald Trump of a campaign issue.
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2020-03-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

It will be clear well before November whether this is blown out of
proportion.

I happen to think it is, not because of any special knowledge but
because going back to the earliest virus panic I remember, which was the
swine flu in the mid 1970s, the news was always more dire than the
reality.

Also, as time has gone by the news has become infused with drama and
overt partisanship. This is further amplified now by social media.

But I may be wrong this time. We'll know soon enough.

Allan

Craig via Mercedes  writes:

> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot
>> of business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the
>> month has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things
>> out or proportion?
>
> "The powers that be" are blowing things out of proportion to destroy the
> economy and rob Donald Trump of a campaign issue.
>
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2020-03-12 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot
> of business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the
> month has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things
> out or proportion?

"The powers that be" are blowing things out of proportion to destroy the
economy and rob Donald Trump of a campaign issue.


Craig

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2020-03-12 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes



>Gonna be a rough one 

I agree, but IMO it's going to be rough because of the overreaction and 
outright panic of the masses.  

>in fact, the major outbreak of novel disease many >epidemiologists have been 
>losing sleep over for th >last couple decades

This isn't it. Since the press has cried "fire!", the next time there is an 
outbreak of a deadly virus, and it's real, people won't respond because they 
won't believe the press. 

Rick


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2020-03-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

While you're earnestly trying to "separate fact from fiction", every major
sporting event has been canceled or postponed, and the Smithsonian and
Kennedy Center in DC have closed their doors through the end of March.

I was told that all Fed government workers will be told to stay home and
telework starting Monday.  Not sure that will happen everywhere, but
probably in DC. at the least

The hope is that growth in new cases slows or reverses course after these
draconian measures have been underway.



On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:01 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> BTW, I am NOT saying it is not serious.  just trying to separate the
> facts from the fiction.
>
> There is a bit of the "boy who cried wolf" effect also and it is real.
> Since 1999, every year we have had a "Sky is Falling" event every year.
> So far, the sky is still above, and the sun comes up each day.
>
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 9:33 PM:
> > I'm afraid it's too late.  We just started restricting travel and
> banning large groups in the last couple days instead of eight weeks ago.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that we already have more cases
> than Europe, we just don't know it yet.
> >
> > No way to tell because we didn't start producing test kits until last
> week instead of at the beginning of February, or better yet, mid January
> when things started going out of control in China.
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BTW, I am NOT saying it is not serious.  just trying to separate the 
facts from the fiction.


There is a bit of the "boy who cried wolf" effect also and it is real. 
Since 1999, every year we have had a "Sky is Falling" event every year. 
So far, the sky is still above, and the sun comes up each day.


Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 9:33 PM:

I'm afraid it's too late.  We just started restricting travel and banning large 
groups in the last couple days instead of eight weeks ago.

Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that we already have more cases than 
Europe, we just don't know it yet.

No way to tell because we didn't start producing test kits until last week 
instead of at the beginning of February, or better yet, mid January when things 
started going out of control in China.
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hmmm.

washington compost and nytimes both say that travel was restricted Jan 31.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/01/31/trump-weighs-tighter-china-travel-restrictions-response-coronavirus/ 



And then there is
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/jan/31/trump-declares-coronavirus-a-public-health/ 



None of these sources are famous for supporting the President.

Seems to me that control measures started at least 6 weeks ago. You say 
we should have shut down everything 8 weeks ago.  At that time (Jan12) 
there were on ly 41 cases in China, and we were just starting to learn 
about it, despite the chicoms efforts to hide the disease.   The doctor 
who blew the whistle was "diseased" on Jan 10, but still alive.


"


 " 11 January[edit
 
]

The first two patients in Shenzhen city transferred into negative 
pressure room in Third People's Hospital of Shenzhen City due to 
matching lab test result, symptoms, and epidemiology and are being 
listed as suspected cases. The cases was not confirmed at the time, 
because requirement from the Chinese government at the time was that 
first case in each individual cities need to be submitted to provincial 
CDC, verified by national CDC, and then evaluated and confirmed by a 
specific diagnostic team in national CDC.^[67] 
" 



(wikipedia)   woohoofloo timeline.

Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 9:33 PM:
I'm afraid it's too late.  We just started restricting travel and banning large groups in the last couple days instead of eight weeks ago. 



Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that we already have more cases than Europe, we just don't know it yet. 



No way to tell because we didn't start producing test kits until last week instead of at the beginning of February, or better yet, mid January when things started going out of control in China. 



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2020-03-12 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes

Well said.  My son was just told to go home from his Michigan state college 
until further notice.  All classes will be online.
My take is they are trying to slow the process down so the hospitals are not 
overrun. 
  
Michael E. Esh


> On Mar 12, 2020, at 10:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> This is actually real.  Very contagious, more so that flu (3.5 persons 
> infected on average by every contagious person) and a death rate from 2 to 
> 5%, heavily skewed to older (60 +) individuals.
> 
> Serious disease rate is around 20% -- that, requiring hospitalization.
> 
> China managed to stop it by putting the entire population of some fairly 
> large cities essentially on house arrest
> 
> My personal estimation is that a very large number of people are already 
> infected in the US, this particular disease is at the exponential increase 
> stage since we are doing essentially nothing to control it yet, with the 
> potential to infect a million or so people, put 200,000 extra people in the 
> hospital in the next few weeks, and end up with 30,000 extra deaths IF we get 
> moving and stop the spread.
> 
> If we don't figure millions infected, tens of thousands of extra deaths, 
> hospitals unable to treat patients for anything, extra deaths from flu and 
> all sorts of other things, and a MAJOR economic recession.
> 
> Gonna be a rough one -- in fact, the major outbreak of novel disease many 
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2020-03-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

I'm afraid it's too late.  We just started restricting travel and banning large 
groups in the last couple days instead of eight weeks ago.

Unfortunately, I have a sinking feeling that we already have more cases than 
Europe, we just don't know it yet.

No way to tell because we didn't start producing test kits until last week 
instead of at the beginning of February, or better yet, mid January when things 
started going out of control in China.
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Surely you would admit that without the travel bans, increased 
handwashing, decreased travel, closing many gatherings that attract 
large groups, and other precautions that Americans have implemented, that

"something" has been done to "control it."

Without these controls, i would speculate that it would be as bad as or 
worse here now as it is now in Yurp?


Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 9:12 PM:

since we are doing essentially nothing to control it yet



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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Xackly!    Why don't we shut down the mouse, the NBA and all the 
tournaments every winter for the flu, which kills 30,000 to 60,000 each 
year?    "IF WE COULD SAVE JUST  ONE LIFE"    that works for 
everything else, except the flu, medical error, cancer, heart disease, 
etc, that really kill real people.    Now, with 38 dead, and 2/3 of 
those from one nursing home, the mediaocrats are hyping this as their 
last hope to get a cranky old commie or a hopelessly befuddled old man 
elected as prez.


I, for one, would much rather listen to Armed American radio or Big 
Billy Kinder Outdoors on the radio rather than the endless fooball, 
basketball and yes, even kollege baseball on the radio.   And what is 
way worse, is the endless hours of 2 morons babbling for hours on end 
about nothing, so long as it related to some team or some player, or 
their brother's mother in laws uncles kid.


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 8:39 PM:

I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but I 
repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will 
cause a recession, and hope that helps their election odds. Trump is 
over-reacting in order to show that he's doing something, to help his 
re-election. If both sides would focus on a measured appropriate response, in 
the best interests of the country, we'd be just fine. Instead they are making a 
mountain from a mole hill.

Normal seasonal flu is still more deadly.

The swine flu killed over a thousand Americans before barry declared an 
emergency, no panic back then.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

This is actually real.  Very contagious, more so that flu (3.5 persons infected 
on average by every contagious person) and a death rate from 2 to 5%, heavily 
skewed to older (60 +) individuals.

Serious disease rate is around 20% -- that, requiring hospitalization.

China managed to stop it by putting the entire population of some fairly large 
cities essentially on house arrest

My personal estimation is that a very large number of people are already 
infected in the US, this particular disease is at the exponential increase 
stage since we are doing essentially nothing to control it yet, with the 
potential to infect a million or so people, put 200,000 extra people in the 
hospital in the next few weeks, and end up with 30,000 extra deaths IF we get 
moving and stop the spread.

If we don't figure millions infected, tens of thousands of extra deaths, 
hospitals unable to treat patients for anything, extra deaths from flu and all 
sorts of other things, and a MAJOR economic recession.

Gonna be a rough one -- in fact, the major outbreak of novel disease many 
epidemiologists have been losing sleep over for th last couple decades.
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction


YES!   absolutly!    Wodka reference intended

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/12/20 7:42 PM:

With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or proportion?





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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

They are making it political that’s for sure. 

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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but 
> I repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will 
> cause a recession, and hope that helps their election odds. Trump is 
> over-reacting in order to show that he's doing something, to help his 
> re-election. If both sides would focus on a measured appropriate response, in 
> the best interests of the country, we'd be just fine. Instead they are making 
> a mountain from a mole hill.
> 
> Normal seasonal flu is still more deadly.
> 
> The swine flu killed over a thousand Americans before barry declared an 
> emergency, no panic back then.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Mar 12, 2020 8:43:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
>> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month 
>> has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
>> proportion?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Pandemic or Dempanic?  You decide! 

--FT
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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The media and the democrats (but I repeat myself) are hyping this really 
> hard, trying to drive panic

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but I 
repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will 
cause a recession, and hope that helps their election odds. Trump is 
over-reacting in order to show that he's doing something, to help his 
re-election. If both sides would focus on a measured appropriate response, in 
the best interests of the country, we'd be just fine. Instead they are making a 
mountain from a mole hill.

Normal seasonal flu is still more deadly.

The swine flu killed over a thousand Americans before barry declared an 
emergency, no panic back then.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 12, 2020 8:43:30 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
> been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
> proportion?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

As far as I can tell it's a fairly mild illness. The people who die were 
waiting for something like the flu to get them. Young people don't seem to be 
effected at all.
At this point I'm bored with all the yapping from those that know nothing but 
want to buy toilet paper anyway...
Curt

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  On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 9:07 PM, archer75--- via 
Mercedes wrote:   On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  wrote:

> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
> been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
> proportion?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
...
I've been trolling most of the day trying to figure out just how serious this 
thing is.
Bloomberg, which is usually pretty accurate, says the stock market is the 
lowest since the 1987 bust, and that the chances of a recession are 80 percent.
Probably 90-95% of large gatherings nationwide have been closed down. Air 
travel from Europe (the EU) has been suspended. I could write several pages 
about the public and private businesses and gatherings that have been closed to 
the public.
Some of this is obviously panic and hype, but IMO most of it is valid. I would 
love for someone to tell me I'm wrong. 
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

The answer lies somewhere in between. I have decided to just go about my 
business. If I don’t get snakebit or hit by a truck or t-boned at an 
intersection I might or might not be infected. Right now it would be hard to 
tell in amongst the pollen whack on my respiratory system and eyes if I have 
the coronavid19 or not. 

--FT
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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 9:07 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some of this is obviously panic and hype, but IMO most of it is valid. I 
> would love for someone to tell me I'm wrong. 
> Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:42:40 -0500
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  wrote:

> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
> been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
> proportion?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
...
I've been trolling most of the day trying to figure out just how serious this 
thing is.
Bloomberg, which is usually pretty accurate, says the stock market is the 
lowest since the 1987 bust, and that the chances of a recession are 80 percent.
Probably 90-95% of large gatherings nationwide have been closed down. Air 
travel from Europe (the EU) has been suspended. I could write several pages 
about the public and private businesses and gatherings that have been closed to 
the public.
Some of this is obviously panic and hype, but IMO most of it is valid. I would 
love for someone to tell me I'm wrong. 
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Never been there. Maybe it will be a ghost town around there. 

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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They just announced that it was Disney World, too.
> 
> If you’ve never been to Orlando, you can’t begin to grasp how much literally 
> everything there hinges on the Mouse. It drives their economy.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> World too? I thought I was just land. The impact to the economy will be far 
>> worse than the danger from the virus 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Disney World is closing down. That’s serious. The Mouse closes for no man. 
>>> This will put a HUGE ding in the economy in Orlando. Everything revolves 
>>> around the Mouse.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
 business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month 
 has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
 proportion?
 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

They just announced that it was Disney World, too.

If you’ve never been to Orlando, you can’t begin to grasp how much literally 
everything there hinges on the Mouse. It drives their economy.

-D


> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> World too? I thought I was just land. The impact to the economy will be far 
> worse than the danger from the virus 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Disney World is closing down. That’s serious. The Mouse closes for no man. 
>> This will put a HUGE ding in the economy in Orlando. Everything revolves 
>> around the Mouse.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
>>> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month 
>>> has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
>>> proportion?
>>> 
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World too? I thought I was just land. The impact to the economy will be far 
worse than the danger from the virus 

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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Disney World is closing down. That’s serious. The Mouse closes for no man. 
> This will put a HUGE ding in the economy in Orlando. Everything revolves 
> around the Mouse.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
>> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month 
>> has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
>> proportion?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-12 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Disney World is closing down. That’s serious. The Mouse closes for no man. This 
will put a HUGE ding in the economy in Orlando. Everything revolves around the 
Mouse.

-D

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
> been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
> proportion?
> 
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