Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Gee, you guys must "pump" to hard. I have two 617s that I've had for 20 + 
years. One has had the pump replaced with the new style while the other still 
has the original white, screw down pump. I always tightened the screw pump 
carefully and tight enough to be secure and sealed. The one just plain started 
to leak fuel so it was replaced. The other is still working fine and again I've 
had the car for 20+ years so I don't know how old the pump is. Maybe you guys 
are too rough on your parts or maybe I've just been lucky :-)) 
In your write up, I didn't see where you tightened the pump, but I must assume 
that you did. Hopefully you'll get it fixed. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well it is possible he does need the lift pump, if the valves are bad on 
that car.  But the kit for the lift pump is only about $12.  I had to 
spend about that much again for the special size metric socket, and you 
need a couple orings not in the kit.


When the transfer pump crapped out on the 240D, it would start, but 
would not get up to speed and wanted to die in place of idle.  autopsy 
showed the prastic valves were chipped all along the edges.  a kit 
later, and alles ist gut.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 5:28 PM
You don't need the whole lift pump, just the the primer pump that 
screws into the top of the lift pump


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

naaa, that is the whole transfer pump.

Try this one.

http://www.autohausaz.com/search/pn.aspx?sku=11925393-2447010038=1976%20Mercedes%20240D%20123.123=Bosch_source=google_medium=nonpaid_campaign=froogleSKU_Mercedes=CNSP9bWIk9ECFUMvgQod898AMg

$12 to $14, depending on source.

googs search: Bosch primer pump
or 2447010038 sale

That yields this and more:

https://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Diesel-Primer-upgraded-Button/dp/B0084NK42Y/ref=pd_lpo_263_lp_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8=1=AKGBA1KPK7YNH5VVR09Z

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 5:09 PM

 $328.11 !!

This looks like the one on the car 
http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/0440017998


--R




Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 2:32 PM
Lift pump is shot, it has a leather seal, and it's leaking air in.

Replace with the new style "thumb" pump, it's internally sealed with 
o-rings and will not leak air.


The old one will leak air even if screwed down when the seal fails.  
Pretty sure it failed last time the filters were replaced, it's a 
common thing.


Won't start or run reliably until you replace and re-prime.

Peter

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 2:09 PM
So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg 
and fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla 
hours to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in 
the dark.  She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit 
weak.  I put the battery charger on it with the START setting engaged 
to get a bit more juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after 
glowing 3 times, and after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla 
seconds then die.  I got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in 
new filters at the engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer 
several times and noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it 
was kinda weird in that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones 
with the little round metal top.  I had never used it so never really 
noticed it, it must be some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of 
weeping around a coupla the injectors, might have been coming from the 
return lines, I will have to replace those.


Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a 
bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was 
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and 
ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept 
running.  So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took 
maybe 5 seconds of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking 
there is more to the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get 
it to start.


I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment 
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a 
coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other 
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She 
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work 
on it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running 
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and 
getting air in the fuel line?


On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened 
up the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were 
going bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge 
noise.  The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  
The pulley seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.




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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You don't need the whole lift pump, just the the primer pump that screws into 
the top of the lift pump

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> On Dec 26, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> $328.11 !!
> 
> This looks like the one on the car http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/0440017998
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 12/26/16 5:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> +! for starters.  You may have other problems, but start here.  I think i 
>> found the best deal at autohaus AZ.  At least check their shipped price.
>> 
>>> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>> December 26, 2016 at 2:32 PM
>>> Lift pump is shot, it has a leather seal, and it's leaking air in.
>>> 
>>> Replace with the new style "thumb" pump, it's internally sealed with 
>>> o-rings and will not leak air.
>>> 
>>> The old one will leak air even if screwed down when the seal fails.  Pretty 
>>> sure it failed last time the filters were replaced, it's a common thing.
>>> 
>>> Won't start or run reliably until you replace and re-prime.
>>> 
>>> Peter
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>>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>> December 26, 2016 at 2:09 PM
>>> So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg and 
>>> fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla hours to 
>>> kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the dark.  She 
>>> got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I put the battery 
>>> charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit more juice.  I 
>>> cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, and after awhile it 
>>> would catch and run for a coupla seconds then die.  I got to thinking it 
>>> was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the engine so that should be 
>>> OK.  I pumped the primer several times and noticed 2 things: 1) it was 
>>> leaking some and 2) it was kinda weird in that it had a big plastic top, 
>>> not like the ones with the little round metal top.  I had never used it so 
>>> never really noticed it, it must be some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a 
>>> bit of weeping around a coupla the injectors, might have been coming from 
>>> the return lines, I will have to replace those.
>>> 
>>> Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a bit 
>>> but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was getting fuel. 
>>>  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and ran OK but was not 
>>> idling very well, quite rough, but it kept running.  So that was success.  
>>> Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 seconds of cranking to get it to 
>>> light off.  So I am thinking there is more to the issue than whatever was 
>>> going on in trying to get it to start.
>>> 
>>> I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment would 
>>> be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a coupla 
>>> times so I know how to do it) and there were some other suggestions too.  
>>> Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She might be able to bring 
>>> the car down to me at some point so I can work on it, I would like to do 
>>> whatever might get it starting and running better, get it all done at once. 
>>>   Might the pump be leaking and getting air in the fuel line?
>>> 
>>> On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened up 
>>> the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were going bad 
>>> or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge noise.  The alt 
>>> is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The pulley seemed tight 
>>> so I don't know that that is about.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Dec 2016 18:09:12 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
>   $328.11 !!
> 
> This looks like the one on the car
> http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/0440017998


That's the entire lift pump.

You want only the hand primer, which is the black cylinder on the
upper-right of the part shown. The silver hex-shaped silver region is
part of the hand primer. The copper washer shown between the silver and
the black body of the lift pump is what seals the hand primer to the lift
pump body when you thread it into the body.

You probably want a crow's foot wrench to do the tightening.


Craig


> On 12/26/16 5:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > +! for starters.  You may have other problems, but start here.  I 
> > think i found the best deal at autohaus AZ.  At least check their 
> > shipped price.
> >
> >> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> >> December 26, 2016 at 2:32 PM
> >> Lift pump is shot, it has a leather seal, and it's leaking air in.
> >>
> >> Replace with the new style "thumb" pump, it's internally sealed with 
> >> o-rings and will not leak air.
> >>
> >> The old one will leak air even if screwed down when the seal fails.  
> >> Pretty sure it failed last time the filters were replaced, it's a 
> >> common thing.
> >>
> >> Won't start or run reliably until you replace and re-prime.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
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> >> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >> December 26, 2016 at 2:09 PM
> >> So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg 
> >> and fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a 
> >> coupla hours to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with 
> >> it in the dark.  She got a new battery as the old one was getting a 
> >> bit weak.  I put the battery charger on it with the START setting 
> >> engaged to get a bit more juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes 
> >> after glowing 3 times, and after awhile it would catch and run for a 
> >> coupla seconds then die.  I got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she 
> >> put in new filters at the engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the 
> >> primer several times and noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some
> >> and 
> >> 2) it was kinda weird in that it had a big plastic top, not like the 
> >> ones with the little round metal top.  I had never used it so never 
> >> really noticed it, it must be some aftermarket thing.  I did notice
> >> a bit of weeping around a coupla the injectors, might have been
> >> coming from the return lines, I will have to replace those.
> >>
> >> Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for 
> >> a bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was 
> >> getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off 
> >> and ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept 
> >> running.  So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took 
> >> maybe 5 seconds of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am
> >> thinking there is more to the issue than whatever was going on in
> >> trying to get it to start.
> >>
> >> I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves
> >> adjustment would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did
> >> on the TD a coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some
> >> other suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to
> >> do?  She might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so
> >> I can work on it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting
> >> and running better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be
> >> leaking and getting air in the fuel line?
> >>
> >> On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I
> >> tightened up the alternator and then it sounded like either the
> >> bearings were going bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping
> >> and making huge noise.  The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it
> >> should be OK. The pulley seemed tight so I don't know that that is
> >> about.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

 $328.11 !!

This looks like the one on the car http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/0440017998

--R


On 12/26/16 5:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
+! for starters.  You may have other problems, but start here.  I 
think i found the best deal at autohaus AZ.  At least check their 
shipped price.



Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 2:32 PM
Lift pump is shot, it has a leather seal, and it's leaking air in.

Replace with the new style "thumb" pump, it's internally sealed with 
o-rings and will not leak air.


The old one will leak air even if screwed down when the seal fails.  
Pretty sure it failed last time the filters were replaced, it's a 
common thing.


Won't start or run reliably until you replace and re-prime.

Peter

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 2:09 PM
So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg 
and fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a 
coupla hours to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with 
it in the dark.  She got a new battery as the old one was getting a 
bit weak.  I put the battery charger on it with the START setting 
engaged to get a bit more juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes 
after glowing 3 times, and after awhile it would catch and run for a 
coupla seconds then die.  I got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she 
put in new filters at the engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the 
primer several times and noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 
2) it was kinda weird in that it had a big plastic top, not like the 
ones with the little round metal top.  I had never used it so never 
really noticed it, it must be some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a 
bit of weeping around a coupla the injectors, might have been coming 
from the return lines, I will have to replace those.


Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for 
a bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was 
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off 
and ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept 
running.  So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took 
maybe 5 seconds of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking 
there is more to the issue than whatever was going on in trying to 
get it to start.


I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment 
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a 
coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other 
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She 
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work 
on it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running 
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and 
getting air in the fuel line?


On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened 
up the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were 
going bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge 
noise.  The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  
The pulley seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.




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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+!  for starters.  You may have other problems, but start here.  I think 
i found the best deal at autohaus AZ.  At least check their shipped price.



Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 2:32 PM
Lift pump is shot, it has a leather seal, and it's leaking air in.

Replace with the new style "thumb" pump, it's internally sealed with 
o-rings and will not leak air.


The old one will leak air even if screwed down when the seal fails.  
Pretty sure it failed last time the filters were replaced, it's a 
common thing.


Won't start or run reliably until you replace and re-prime.

Peter

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 26, 2016 at 2:09 PM
So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg 
and fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla 
hours to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in 
the dark.  She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit 
weak.  I put the battery charger on it with the START setting engaged 
to get a bit more juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after 
glowing 3 times, and after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla 
seconds then die.  I got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in 
new filters at the engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer 
several times and noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it 
was kinda weird in that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones 
with the little round metal top.  I had never used it so never really 
noticed it, it must be some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of 
weeping around a coupla the injectors, might have been coming from the 
return lines, I will have to replace those.


Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a 
bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was 
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and 
ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept 
running.  So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took 
maybe 5 seconds of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking 
there is more to the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get 
it to start.


I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment 
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a 
coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other 
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She 
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work 
on it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running 
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and 
getting air in the fuel line?


On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened 
up the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were 
going bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge 
noise.  The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  
The pulley seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.




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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Importecautoparts.com for fcpeuro

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> On Dec 26, 2016, at 4:21 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK will order one tomorrow.  Who is our favorite vendor these days? Can Poos 
> source on cheepcheep or should I contact Northlake (where we bought the ML, 
> maybe that counts for something?), or that place Kleb gets stuff from now?
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 12/26/16 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bingo.  Listen to them and install the new style foolproof primer pump.
>> BTDT.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:17 PM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you send a picture? It sounds like the old type which has to be
>>> screwed closed when done pumping or you can get air leaking in.
>>> 
>>> The alternator sounds like the bearings are worn and loose letting the fan
>>> hit body. Take the belts off and see if you can wiggle the shaft around. If
>>> you can you know what to do.
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:09:22 -0500
>>> From: Floyd Thursby 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg and
>>> fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla hours
>>> to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the dark.
>>> She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I put the
>>> battery charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit more
>>> juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, and
>>> after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla seconds then die.  I
>>> got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the
>>> engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer several times and
>>> noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it was kinda weird in
>>> that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones with the little round
>>> metal top.  I had never used it so never really noticed it, it must be
>>> some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of weeping around a coupla
>>> the injectors, might have been coming from the return lines, I will have
>>> to replace those.
>>> 
>>> Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a
>>> bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was
>>> getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and
>>> ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept running.
>>> So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 seconds
>>> of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking there is more to
>>> the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get it to start.
>>> 
>>> I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment
>>> would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a
>>> coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other
>>> suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She
>>> might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work on
>>> it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running
>>> better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and getting
>>> air in the fuel line?
>>> 
>>> On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened up
>>> the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were going
>>> bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge noise.
>>> The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The pulley
>>> seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.
>>> 
>>> -- --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

OK will order one tomorrow.  Who is our favorite vendor these days? Can 
Poos source on cheepcheep or should I contact Northlake (where we bought 
the ML, maybe that counts for something?), or that place Kleb gets stuff 
from now?


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On 12/26/16 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Bingo.  Listen to them and install the new style foolproof primer pump.
BTDT.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:17 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:


Can you send a picture? It sounds like the old type which has to be
screwed closed when done pumping or you can get air leaking in.

The alternator sounds like the bearings are worn and loose letting the fan
hit body. Take the belts off and see if you can wiggle the shaft around. If
you can you know what to do.

Manfred

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:09:22 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 



So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg and
fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla hours
to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the dark.
She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I put the
battery charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit more
juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, and
after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla seconds then die.  I
got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the
engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer several times and
noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it was kinda weird in
that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones with the little round
metal top.  I had never used it so never really noticed it, it must be
some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of weeping around a coupla
the injectors, might have been coming from the return lines, I will have
to replace those.

Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a
bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and
ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept running.
So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 seconds
of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking there is more to
the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get it to start.

I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a
coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work on
it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and getting
air in the fuel line?

On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened up
the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were going
bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge noise.
The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The pulley
seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Bingo.  Listen to them and install the new style foolproof primer pump.
BTDT.

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:17 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Can you send a picture? It sounds like the old type which has to be
> screwed closed when done pumping or you can get air leaking in.
>
> The alternator sounds like the bearings are worn and loose letting the fan
> hit body. Take the belts off and see if you can wiggle the shaft around. If
> you can you know what to do.
>
> Manfred
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:09:22 -0500
> From: Floyd Thursby 
>
>
>
> So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg and
> fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla hours
> to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the dark.
> She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I put the
> battery charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit more
> juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, and
> after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla seconds then die.  I
> got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the
> engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer several times and
> noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it was kinda weird in
> that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones with the little round
> metal top.  I had never used it so never really noticed it, it must be
> some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of weeping around a coupla
> the injectors, might have been coming from the return lines, I will have
> to replace those.
>
> Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a
> bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was
> getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and
> ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept running.
> So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 seconds
> of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking there is more to
> the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get it to start.
>
> I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment
> would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a
> coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other
> suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She
> might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work on
> it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running
> better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and getting
> air in the fuel line?
>
> On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened up
> the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were going
> bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge noise.
> The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The pulley
> seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[MG via Mercedes]

Can you send a picture? It sounds like the old type which has to 
be screwed closed when done pumping or you can get air leaking in.


The alternator sounds like the bearings are worn and loose 
letting the fan hit body. Take the belts off and see if you can 
wiggle the shaft around. If you can you know what to do.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:09:22 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 


So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to 
Sparkleburg and
fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a 
coupla hours
to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the 
dark.
She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I 
put the
battery charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit 
more
juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, 
and
after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla seconds then 
die.  I

got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the
engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer several times and
noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it was kinda 
weird in
that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones with the little 
round
metal top.  I had never used it so never really noticed it, it 
must be
some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of weeping around a 
coupla
the injectors, might have been coming from the return lines, I 
will have

to replace those.

Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire 
for a

bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit 
off and
ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept 
running.
So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 
seconds
of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking there is 
more to

the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get it to start.

I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves 
adjustment
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the 
TD a

coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can 
work on

it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and 
getting

air in the fuel line?

On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I 
tightened up
the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were 
going
bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge 
noise.
The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The 
pulley

seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.

-- --FT

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Ffloyd.

It sounds as if you have a leaky primer pump. White plastic top that must be 
unscrewed to use.

Those almost always leak fuel out, let air in and cause hard starting. Replace 
with a new RED top bosch, direct replacement, no (un) screwing around and no 
leaks.

Valves may need attention if not done within the last year.

If you take off all of the belts and spin each accessory by hand, you may well 
find the noisy culprit.

YMMV.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 26 December 2016 15:09
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Floyd Thursby
Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg and
fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla hours
to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the dark.
She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I put the
battery charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit more
juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, and
after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla seconds then die.  I
got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the
engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer several times and
noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it was kinda weird in
that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones with the little round
metal top.  I had never used it so never really noticed it, it must be
some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of weeping around a coupla
the injectors, might have been coming from the return lines, I will have
to replace those.

Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a
bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and
ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept running.
So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 seconds
of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking there is more to
the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get it to start.

I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a
coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work on
it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and getting
air in the fuel line?

On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened up
the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were going
bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge noise.
The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The pulley
seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.

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petty,
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enemy."


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lift pump is shot, it has a leather seal, and it's leaking air in.

Replace with the new style "thumb" pump, it's internally sealed with o- 
rings and will not leak air.


The old one will leak air even if screwed down when the seal fails.   
Pretty sure it failed last time the filters were replaced, it's a  
common thing.


Won't start or run reliably until you replace and re-prime.

Peter

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[MBZ] Speaking of not starting

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So the other night (Christmas eve) I had to drive up to Sparkleburg and 
fetch the girl because her 300SD was not starting.  I had a coupla hours 
to kill while she finished work so I fooled around with it in the dark.  
She got a new battery as the old one was getting a bit weak.  I put the 
battery charger on it with the START setting engaged to get a bit more 
juice.  I cranked on it for 3 or 4 minutes after glowing 3 times, and 
after awhile it would catch and run for a coupla seconds then die.  I 
got to thinking it was a fuel issue, she put in new filters at the 
engine so that should be OK.  I pumped the primer several times and 
noticed 2 things: 1) it was leaking some and 2) it was kinda weird in 
that it had a big plastic top, not like the ones with the little round 
metal top.  I had never used it so never really noticed it, it must be 
some aftermarket thing.  I did notice a bit of weeping around a coupla 
the injectors, might have been coming from the return lines, I will have 
to replace those.


Anyway I did that a coupla times, pump, crank, and it would fire for a 
bit but then die.  There was smoke coming out so I figured it was 
getting fuel.  After about the fifth or six try it finally lit off and 
ran OK but was not idling very well, quite rough, but it kept running.  
So that was success.  Restarting a coupla times it took maybe 5 seconds 
of cranking to get it to light off.  So I am thinking there is more to 
the issue than whatever was going on in trying to get it to start.


I had asked about this some time ago, I recall that valves adjustment 
would be useful (I have never done it on this car but did on the TD a 
coupla times so I know how to do it) and there were some other 
suggestions too.  Anyone care to recap what I might need to do?  She 
might be able to bring the car down to me at some point so I can work on 
it, I would like to do whatever might get it starting and running 
better, get it all done at once.   Might the pump be leaking and getting 
air in the fuel line?


On another aspect the alternator belts were really loose, I tightened up 
the alternator and then it sounded like either the bearings were going 
bad or the fan thing on the pulley was scraping and making huge noise.  
The alt is maybe 3 years old, a Bosch, so it should be OK.  The pulley 
seemed tight so I don't know that that is about.


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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