Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> No I mean the fluor drama with having to deal with ballasts and tubes in
> the slots just right and having to touch them or jiggle them or whatever.
> Then they get to where they are flickering which is annoying as hell, or
> have this sorta wave traveling through them.


The 96W HO cold-start bulbs in the new garage have been pretty drama-free.
I think we just lost our second bulb last year.  They've been installed
about 15 years now, and always just work.  There are 30 of them, it's
pretty bright out there.

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Does anybody else watch Big Clive on Youtube? I find his adventures with LED 
fixtures mildly entertaining.
-Curt


  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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No I mean the fluor drama with having to deal with ballasts and tubes in 
the slots just right and having to touch them or jiggle them or 
whatever.  Then they get to where they are flickering which is annoying 
as hell, or have this sorta wave traveling through them.

With LEDs it seems the power supplies go bad before the actual LEDs do, 
I have some of the little LED spots that the PSs are going flaky and 
there is some flickering but in general they seem to just work until 
they don't, which might be a long time, or til whenever the PS fries.  
Then you just change the bulb/fixture and be done with it.

On another aspect, I put in some outdoor LED spots I got at Costco, 
those big things for lighting up out back, and they are noticeably 
brighter than the halogens and have better light.  The halogens seem to 
burn out every year or two, I'm going to watch these things and see how 
they hold up.  They weigh almost nothing too.

--FT

On 9/20/16 11:35 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:24:26 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, yeah, that's true, but they work differently to achieve that
>> effect, more directly without all the drama of the fluorescent tube
>> arrangements.
> Not necessarily. Are you aware of all the electronic drama behind the LED
> lights?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No I mean the fluor drama with having to deal with ballasts and tubes in 
the slots just right and having to touch them or jiggle them or 
whatever.  Then they get to where they are flickering which is annoying 
as hell, or have this sorta wave traveling through them.


With LEDs it seems the power supplies go bad before the actual LEDs do, 
I have some of the little LED spots that the PSs are going flaky and 
there is some flickering but in general they seem to just work until 
they don't, which might be a long time, or til whenever the PS fries.  
Then you just change the bulb/fixture and be done with it.


On another aspect, I put in some outdoor LED spots I got at Costco, 
those big things for lighting up out back, and they are noticeably 
brighter than the halogens and have better light.  The halogens seem to 
burn out every year or two, I'm going to watch these things and see how 
they hold up.  They weigh almost nothing too.


--FT

On 9/20/16 11:35 AM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:24:26 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


Well, yeah, that's true, but they work differently to achieve that
effect, more directly without all the drama of the fluorescent tube
arrangements.

Not necessarily. Are you aware of all the electronic drama behind the LED
lights?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 09:24:26 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Well, yeah, that's true, but they work differently to achieve that 
> effect, more directly without all the drama of the fluorescent tube 
> arrangements.

Not necessarily. Are you aware of all the electronic drama behind the LED
lights?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well, yeah, that's true, but they work differently to achieve that 
effect, more directly without all the drama of the fluorescent tube 
arrangements.


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On 9/20/16 1:48 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

I don't generally like the very cool light, but these things at 4kK are
not bad at all in the shop and feel very natural, unlike the more harsh
fluorescent light which I think has more blue in it.


Be aware that all white LED's are _also_ fluorescent.  The ultraviolet that
excites the phosphors comes via LED, rather than from a mercury vapor
discharge, but that's the only real difference.  So, they can do anything
they want with the phosphor mix, just like with tubes.

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I don't generally like the very cool light, but these things at 4kK are
> not bad at all in the shop and feel very natural, unlike the more harsh
> fluorescent light which I think has more blue in it.


Be aware that all white LED's are _also_ fluorescent.  The ultraviolet that
excites the phosphors comes via LED, rather than from a mercury vapor
discharge, but that's the only real difference.  So, they can do anything
they want with the phosphor mix, just like with tubes.

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dude, I wouldn’t go near or touch anything that John Menard is involved with.  
That guy is a total psychopath.  We learned this when we lived in Wisconsin 
back in the late 80s and a neighbor was a local store manager. The stories that 
guy told us were nothing short of frightening.  It wasn’t until some years 
later we realized it was all true.

Read this for grins and giggles:

http://urbanmilwaukee.com/2013/06/20/murphys-law-the-strange-life-of-john-menard/

Dan who doesn’t save big money at Menards

> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Found a 50W, 4200 lumen locally for $33.
> www.menards.com/main/maintenance-repair-operations/lighting-electrical/lighting/fluorescent-commercial-lights/smart-electrician-trade-48-4-200-lm-white-led-shop-light/p-138333183-c-7495.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

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Found a 50W, 4200 lumen locally for $33.
www.menards.com/main/maintenance-repair-operations/lighting-electrical/lighting/fluorescent-commercial-lights/smart-electrician-trade-48-4-200-lm-white-led-shop-light/p-138333183-c-7495.htm

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That makes sense.

Here’s a good article on Costco’s pricing codes and things like that:

https://toughnickel.com/frugal-living/Secret-Codes-Will-Save-You-Money-At-Costco

Also be aware that in many cases the stuff that they’re closing out will be in 
back or against exterior walls.  The $0.97 ending is also a giveaway.

Dan



> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oops!  I thought it was a 2 pack.  It appears to be only one.
> 
> The bay of fleas has a 2 pack.  (more $ than costy, but less than mama zon.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-LED-Linkable-Shop-Light-w-Pull-Chain-2-pack-Feit-Electric-42W-50-000-Hours-/131570566906
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> September 19, 2016 at 8:21 PM
>> Is that right? That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 for 
>> the thing?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oops!  I thought it was a 2 pack.  It appears to be only one.

The bay of fleas has a 2 pack.  (more $ than costy, but less than mama zon.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-LED-Linkable-Shop-Light-w-Pull-Chain-2-pack-Feit-Electric-42W-50-000-Hours-/131570566906


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 8:21 PM
Is that right? That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 
for the thing?


Dan




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Curley McLain 
September 19, 2016 at 7:38 PM
THanks!  that was enough that I could find them elsewhere.  I have not 
seen ones like that!  I like em!


Here is the mamazon listing.  $25.50 each, delivered to  your or my 
hacienda, so long as  you are already getting ripped for prime.

https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM
They had a coupla pallets full at the store when I bought mine, but 
like most Costco stuff that is not a staple they get stuff in, it 
sells out, they might or might not get more in at some point. So stuff 
like that you have to buy when they have it.


I wanted to get a patio/deck set.  They had a couple at the store.  By 
the time management decided that set was preferred, they had no more.  
I ask the guy to order one as they had them on the web site, he said 
they couldn't do that, they got whatever corporate decided to put on 
the truck on Mondays and Thursdays, they would know the day before, 
when the truck was loaded, what was coming.  OK I say, call me when 
one is on the truck, or I'll pay for one now, for whenever one shows 
up.  No can do. Ultimately some did show up, I called to find out if 
they had them, they did, so I went and got the set.  They don't seem 
big on that kind of customer service.


But to answer your question, you need to be blessed to get in the 
store or buy stuff on the web site.


Here they are, more $ than at the store, which is how stuff often is 
(the deck set was like $300 more on the web site than in the store)


http://www.costco.com/4%e2%80%99-Linkable-LED-Shop-Light-with-Pull-Chain-2-pack.product.100284402.html 



--FT




Curley McLain 
September 19, 2016 at 4:26 PM
Can anyone find a link for those Costco $25 shop light fixtures?  
Nothing turned up o n my search, but maybe they don't call them shop 
lights.   Or better yet, another source.


Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be 
among the "blessed to enter?   Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100 
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.





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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The Costco link is $56 for 2, the amazing link looks to be for 1?  But 
the ones I got at Costco store are the Feits like the amazing link.


I don't generally like the very cool light, but these things at 4kK are 
not bad at all in the shop and feel very natural, unlike the more harsh 
fluorescent light which I think has more blue in it.


--R


On 9/19/16 9:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Is that right?  That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 for the 
thing?

Dan



On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

THanks!  that was enough that I could find them elsewhere.  I have not seen 
ones like that!  I like em!

Here is the mamazon listing.  $25.50 each, delivered to  your or my hacienda, 
so long as  you are already getting ripped for prime.
https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM



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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is that right?  That link goes to what you describe, but I’m seeing $50 for the 
thing?

Dan


> On Sep 19, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> THanks!  that was enough that I could find them elsewhere.  I have not seen 
> ones like that!  I like em!
> 
> Here is the mamazon listing.  $25.50 each, delivered to  your or my hacienda, 
> so long as  you are already getting ripped for prime.
> https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

THanks!  that was enough that I could find them elsewhere.  I have not 
seen ones like that!  I like em!


Here is the mamazon listing.  $25.50 each, delivered to  your or my 
hacienda, so long as  you are already getting ripped for prime.

https://www.amazon.com/Feit-917972-Electric-Utility-Light/dp/B00LFAY5SM



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 5:04 PM
They had a coupla pallets full at the store when I bought mine, but 
like most Costco stuff that is not a staple they get stuff in, it 
sells out, they might or might not get more in at some point. So stuff 
like that you have to buy when they have it.


I wanted to get a patio/deck set.  They had a couple at the store.  By 
the time management decided that set was preferred, they had no more.  
I ask the guy to order one as they had them on the web site, he said 
they couldn't do that, they got whatever corporate decided to put on 
the truck on Mondays and Thursdays, they would know the day before, 
when the truck was loaded, what was coming.  OK I say, call me when 
one is on the truck, or I'll pay for one now, for whenever one shows 
up.  No can do. Ultimately some did show up, I called to find out if 
they had them, they did, so I went and got the set.  They don't seem 
big on that kind of customer service.


But to answer your question, you need to be blessed to get in the 
store or buy stuff on the web site.


Here they are, more $ than at the store, which is how stuff often is 
(the deck set was like $300 more on the web site than in the store)


http://www.costco.com/4%e2%80%99-Linkable-LED-Shop-Light-with-Pull-Chain-2-pack.product.100284402.html 



--FT




Curley McLain 
September 19, 2016 at 4:26 PM
Can anyone find a link for those Costco $25 shop light fixtures?  
Nothing turned up o n my search, but maybe they don't call them shop 
lights.   Or better yet, another source.


Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be 
among the "blessed to enter?   Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100 
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.





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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

They had a coupla pallets full at the store when I bought mine, but like 
most Costco stuff that is not a staple they get stuff in, it sells out, 
they might or might not get more in at some point. So stuff like that 
you have to buy when they have it.


I wanted to get a patio/deck set.  They had a couple at the store.  By 
the time management decided that set was preferred, they had no more.  I 
ask the guy to order one as they had them on the web site, he said they 
couldn't do that, they got whatever corporate decided to put on the 
truck on Mondays and Thursdays, they would know the day before, when the 
truck was loaded, what was coming.  OK I say, call me when one is on the 
truck, or I'll pay for one now, for whenever one shows up.  No can do. 
Ultimately some did show up, I called to find out if they had them, they 
did, so I went and got the set.  They don't seem big on that kind of 
customer service.


But to answer your question, you need to be blessed to get in the store 
or buy stuff on the web site.


Here they are, more $ than at the store, which is how stuff often is 
(the deck set was like $300 more on the web site than in the store)


http://www.costco.com/4%e2%80%99-Linkable-LED-Shop-Light-with-Pull-Chain-2-pack.product.100284402.html

--FT


On 9/19/16 5:26 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Can anyone find a link for those Costco $25 shop light fixtures? 
Nothing turned up o n my search, but maybe they don't call them shop 
lights.   Or better yet, another source.


Does costco allow internet sales to mere mortals or do you need to be 
among the "blessed to enter?   Makes no sence to pay $60 or $100 
"membership" to buy $100 worth of lights.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
September 19, 2016 at 3:08 PM
So the Costco shop lights are $25 each, fooling around with $20 worth 
of LED tubes doesn't seem worth it but YMMV.


--FT



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