Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
Any advise or thoughts for a really good cat food, both dry and wet ? Ed 300E 2009/11/1 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
Good advice! I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that. Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a corn cob like a bone... Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
Costco's Kirkland brand Lamb Rice and Chicken Rice kibble are of high quality, and they don't cost an arm and a leg. My Weims and Dobes have thrived on it, along with the Kirkland wet food. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
dogs can't digest corn. i suspect that we can't either all too well. but the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done with it. combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just a disaster in the making. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: Good advice! I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that. Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a corn cob like a bone... Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Any advise or thoughts for a really good cat food, both dry and wet ? Hi Ed, I don't know what you can get up in Canada, but down here in the USA (I'm in Oregon) there are a few decent options. The problem is the same as Hursty described with dog food---finding a food that replicates a cat's natural diet. If left to fend for themselves, cats will eat almost exclusively whole small rodents, insects, and birds, and get what they need in the way of carbohydrates and vitamins from the contents of their prey's stomachs. So you want the highest protein content you can find. In order of preference I would buy: Nutro Natural Choice - available here in Petco stores. They have a few different lines, I think---one for kittens, one for elderly cats, and one for in-between. Felidae - a little harder to find but VERY high quality. (Made by the same company that makes Canidae.) Newman's Organic---the only one of these three that's routinely available at supermarkets down here, and the ONLY brand sold at supermarkets that I would feed a cat. I have two cats that I inherited from the previous owners of my house (who didn't want to take them along when they moved) which were fed before I got there on the cheapest possible food. After two years on Newman's they seem MUCH healthier and happier---no skin or teeth problems, at the right weight, lots of energy. Anecdotal evidence, sure, but pretty convincing to me. It's best to feed both dry and wet cat food, if the cat will go for it---dry food is good for their teeth and gums since it takes some effort to crunch it up, and wet food gives them a lot of water, which domesticated cats, for some reason, often won't drink enough of on their own. If you're going to switch them, do it gradually over a week at least (by mixing incrementally more of the new food into the old)---sudden changes in diet tend to provoke urinary tract infections in cats, especially females. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
Corn is fine once it's cooked with an alkali of some sort (eg hominy cooked in lye or calcium oxide, masa from central america, etc). Without that pre-digestion, many of the nutrients are unavailable and the starch is hard to digest since it won't soften up very well in short cooking times. That's why unbuttered popcorn is a good diet food, if you can tolerate it. No nutritional value, all fiber. I assume this is true for dogs as well. Certainly, never feed a cat corn based food, they cannot digest it at all. Think ground mouse. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
+1 on the Canidae! That's the stuff we feed our Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever, aka Toller. His name is Rogue, named for the river in Oregon. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 2:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos Good advice! I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that. Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a corn cob like a bone... Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
I don't buy food of any kind made in China, whether it's for human or canine consumption. That makes shopping a bit slower with all the stopping to read the fine print. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos dogs can't digest corn. i suspect that we can't either all too well. but the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done with it. combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just a disaster in the making. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: Good advice! I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that. Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a corn cob like a bone... Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
My dog gets Nutro, lamb and rice I think. It seems like good stuff, he likes it. Science diet is a mega scam as is anything with beet pulp which is a residue left over from making sugar. Its a filler and nothing more and many dogs are allergic to it. Natural Balance is good stuff, we get it sometimes and Petco frequently has (like today even) little giveaway bags of it that are handy for training treats. With good quality kibble you can switch foods and the dog doesn't get sick. A dog team (for dogsledding, I'm sure theres a better term) trainer told me once that when he evaluates kibble he'll take the dogs out for a good hard run with nothing in their bellies and then feed them the new food. If they get sick or have gas the food goes back because its no good. He had something like 20 dogs and was buying 1/2 ton of food at a time so he didn't screw around. -Curt Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:52:18 -0700 From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 645b17a8d4b74f18a28ef234f3f5d...@kdogpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am pretty sure nothing but mexicans can digest corn. And even they have some troubles clay On Nov 1, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: dogs can't digest corn. i suspect that we can't either all too well. but the USA grows corn, corn, corn, corn, corn, so something needs to be done with it. combine that with chinese overproduction of melamine and it's just a disaster in the making. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: Good advice! I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that. Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a corn cob like a bone... Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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exactly on the switching foods. i switch often with no problem you eat mcdonald's and you get sick. you eat something of quality and you don't. not difficult to grasp. same with the animals. they have to adapt themselves to tolerate the old roy/ science diet grade of food without getting sick, so changing from one to another will have bad results. i'm not quite a fan of nutro either, but it sure beats the hell out of science diet On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: My dog gets Nutro, lamb and rice I think. It seems like good stuff, he likes it. Science diet is a mega scam as is anything with beet pulp which is a residue left over from making sugar. Its a filler and nothing more and many dogs are allergic to it. Natural Balance is good stuff, we get it sometimes and Petco frequently has (like today even) little giveaway bags of it that are handy for training treats. With good quality kibble you can switch foods and the dog doesn't get sick. A dog team (for dogsledding, I'm sure theres a better term) trainer told me once that when he evaluates kibble he'll take the dogs out for a good hard run with nothing in their bellies and then feed them the new food. If they get sick or have gas the food goes back because its no good. He had something like 20 dogs and was buying 1/2 ton of food at a time so he didn't screw around. -Curt Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:52:18 -0700 From: Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net Subject: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 645b17a8d4b74f18a28ef234f3f5d...@kdogpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Both the Merrick and the Dick Van Patten stuff give him gas, the Nutro doesn't and he loves it in a way he didn't with the SD junk. Of course when we visit my wife's aunt he loves the cheapo Wal-Mart crap she feeds her dogs. Doggie junk food. Interestingly the aunt's dogs won't touch my dog's treats. I forget the brand but he really likes apple biscuits (actually he likes fresh banana best of all) that the other dogs won't go near. -Curt Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:12 -0400 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 8b0e7cce0911011838q7e04debbo88bc6fb381a97...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 exactly on the switching foods. i switch often with no problem you eat mcdonald's and you get sick. you eat something of quality and you don't. not difficult to grasp. same with the animals. they have to adapt themselves to tolerate the old roy/ science diet grade of food without getting sick, so changing from one to another will have bad results. i'm not quite a fan of nutro either, but it sure beats the hell out of science diet ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of the guide dog trainers feeds the Kirkland Lamb and Rice Kibble to her dogs with good results as well. It's cheaper than the Natural Balance too. Petco is closer to me, so that's where I went. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
