Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 12, 2016 at 4:23 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And I forgot to question " EV and Plug-in Hybrid...are better, faster,
> cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than
> gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet."

Better is subjective. 
SparkEV is a better driver in many ways than Spark (even the upgraded 2016-2017
Sparks have less than 100hp, and none of them can squeal the tires to 40mph like
SparkEV can), but I have trouble thinking of anything a Leaf can do that a
Sentra cannot. 

Faster only applies to Spark and Tesla. 

Cleaner I have to wonder about, especially when taking remote powerplant and
manufacturing induced emissions into account. 

Cheaper to buy, only if you really mean 'bought with taxpayers' money. Spark is
a $14k car, SparkEV is a $26k car. Sentra is a $18k car, Leaf is a $30k car. And
don't get me started on Tesla. 

Cheaper to operate, yes, for me an electric uses 2-3 cents per mile of fuel. A
40mpg gasser is 6 cents.  

Cheaper to maintain, in the short run, an EV needs brake fluid, wiper blades and
tires, and every ten years or so coolant and hoses, assuming it has a proper
cooling system. 
But the first out of warranty traction battery ($5k for Leaf, probably much more
for cars with proper battery thermal management systems) will get your
attention. I figure if I can get a used Leaf or preferably SparkEV for 10-12
cents per remaining battery warranty mile it'd be worth buying. And I have seen
$8k certified pre-owned Leafs with under 25k on the odo and battery warranty to
100k (friends don't let friends buy 2011-2012 Leafs with 60mo/60k batteries). 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Prius traction batteries are around $2700 from Toyota; rebuilts around $1700. A 
DIYer can replace bad and borderline cells in the battery for about $45 each.
~~
OK Don wrote:

> The price of the batteries must have come down, I would have thought the
> battery pack would be over $10,000.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > My wife's son-in-law works for a dentist down Oklahoma that has more money
> > than sense.  He has done well investing in lots of different businesses.
> > He bought a Chevy Volt for his employees to use as a company car.  One
> > weekend the dentist had to have some work done on his Bentley so he decided
> > to drive the Volt for the weekend.  I am not sure of the details, but he
> > did something to it where it sat all night either running or the lights on
> > and it ended up killing the batteries.  Cost him $3500 to repair.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:47 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars
> >
> > You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> > along in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many
> > cars need refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal
> > combustion engine has been predicted many times
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
> > >drive from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on
> > >South to Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
> > >
> > >Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
> > >your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
> > >
> > >This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week,
> > >always in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and
> > >wait" nor do they have a place to do that.
> > >
> > >Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
> > >because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not
> > >been invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future.
> > >It's being thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon.
> > >BS legislation won't make it happen any faster.
> > >
> > >I respect that your personal view may be different..
> > >
> > >On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> (From a Solar List)
> > >>
> > >> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
> > >>
> > >> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> > >> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
> > >>
> > >> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
> > >gas
> > >> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
> > >dead end
> > >> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> > >> >
> > >> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
> > >realize
> > >> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
> > >better,
> > >> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> > >> maintain
> > >> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The price of the batteries must have come down, I would have thought the
battery pack would be over $10,000.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My wife's son-in-law works for a dentist down Oklahoma that has more money
> than sense.  He has done well investing in lots of different businesses.
> He bought a Chevy Volt for his employees to use as a company car.  One
> weekend the dentist had to have some work done on his Bentley so he decided
> to drive the Volt for the weekend.  I am not sure of the details, but he
> did something to it where it sat all night either running or the lights on
> and it ended up killing the batteries.  Cost him $3500 to repair.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars
>
> You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> along in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many
> cars need refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal
> combustion engine has been predicted many times
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
> >drive from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on
> >South to Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
> >
> >Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
> >your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
> >
> >This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week,
> >always in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and
> >wait" nor do they have a place to do that.
> >
> >Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
> >because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not
> >been invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future.
> >It's being thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon.
> >BS legislation won't make it happen any faster.
> >
> >I respect that your personal view may be different..
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> (From a Solar List)
> >>
> >> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
> >>
> >> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> >> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
> >>
> >> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
> >gas
> >> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
> >dead end
> >> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> >> >
> >> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
> >realize
> >> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
> >better,
> >> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> >> maintain
> >> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My wife's son-in-law works for a dentist down Oklahoma that has more money than 
sense.  He has done well investing in lots of different businesses.  He bought 
a Chevy Volt for his employees to use as a company car.  One weekend the 
dentist had to have some work done on his Bentley so he decided to drive the 
Volt for the weekend.  I am not sure of the details, but he did something to it 
where it sat all night either running or the lights on and it ended up killing 
the batteries.  Cost him $3500 to repair.   

Don Snook  

-Original Message-
From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping along 
in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many cars need 
refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal combustion engine 
has been predicted many times
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and 
>drive from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on 
>South to Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
>
>Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from 
>your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
>
>This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, 
>always in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and 
>wait" nor do they have a place to do that.
>
>Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king 
>because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not 
>been invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. 
>It's being thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. 
>BS legislation won't make it happen any faster.
>
>I respect that your personal view may be different..
>
>On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes < 
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> (From a Solar List)
>>
>> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>>
>> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
>> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>>
>> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
>gas
>> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
>dead end
>> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
>> >
>> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
>realize
>> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
>better,
>> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
>> maintain
>> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yurp is pretty much irrelevant.  They are in the process of committing 
suicide.  THe cuts are made.  they are slowly bleeding.   Once it is run 
by middleeasterners oel won't be a problem for yurpV2.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 12, 2016 at 9:31 AM
If you read the end of the statement they seem to not realize that a 
hybrid car is a gas car...

Try four wheeling any amount with an electric car..
OTOH if Europe bans combustion engines it's more fuel for us.
Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you read the end of the statement they seem to not realize that a hybrid car 
is a gas car...
Try four wheeling any amount with an electric car.. 
OTOH if Europe bans combustion engines it's more fuel for us.
Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:   Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and 
drive
from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.

Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.

This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do
they have a place to do that.

Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been
invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being
thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation
won't make it happen any faster.

I respect that your personal view may be different..

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> (From a Solar List)
>
> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>
> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>
> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of gas
> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a dead end
> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> >
> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to realize
> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are better,
> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> maintain
> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 04:23:56 -0400
Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:

> And I forgot to question " EV and Plug-in Hybrid...are better, faster,
> cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than
> gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet."
> 
> OK, please make me aware!  I'd really like to see the numbers supporting
> those claims.  Economics (aka reality) wins every time.
> 
> Gerry - I do thank you for posting - challenging assumptions and finding
> new ways to solve old problems is fun.

Thank you. That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me about cars since I 
bought a Prius. 
The article was about eliminating gas and diesel cars in GERMANY, but for some 
reason people thought it was about doing so in America which is highly unlikely 
for the reasons given. 
Personally, I like having a very economical, but rough riding, gas burner such 
as a Prius when fuel prices are high, and a very old, easy to fix, smooth 
riding Mercedes diesel to drive when fuel prices are low.
Gerry
~ 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
> > You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> > along in a traffic jam with AC blasting". No Tesla would make it. Many cars
> > need refueling during such an event. The demise of the internal combustion
> > engine has been predicted many times
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

And I forgot to question " EV and Plug-in Hybrid...are better, faster,
cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than
gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet."

OK, please make me aware!  I'd really like to see the numbers supporting
those claims.  Economics (aka reality) wins every time.

Gerry - I do thank you for posting - challenging assumptions and finding
new ways to solve old problems is fun.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> along in a traffic jam with AC blasting". No Tesla would make it. Many cars
> need refueling during such an event. The demise of the internal combustion
> engine has been predicted many times
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping along 
in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many cars need 
refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal combustion engine 
has been predicted many times
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
>drive
>from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South
>to
>Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
>
>Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
>your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
>
>This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week,
>always
>in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor
>do
>they have a place to do that.
>
>Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
>because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not
>been
>invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's
>being
>thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS
>legislation
>won't make it happen any faster.
>
>I respect that your personal view may be different..
>
>On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> (From a Solar List)
>>
>> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>>
>> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
>> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>>
>> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
>gas
>> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
>dead end
>> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
>> >
>> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
>realize
>> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
>better,
>> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
>> maintain
>> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I just love it when the hybrid hypocrites in their preii go flying by me 
at 85 or 90 on the interstate..."showing the world how they are saving 
the planet and show the mere mortals how superior they are."



Bah!  Pass the Dissel fuul, please!

archer75--- via Mercedes 
October 11, 2016 at 4:27 PM
I posted this as a news clipping of possible interest to the group.
I agree with you.
However, they seem to be talking about "pure" gas burners and diesels 
while still allowing hybrids. As you know, a hybrid will make about 
any trip you choose.

Gerry


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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

This sounds like a great way to suppress rugged individualism and shift
power to governments.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
> Mann via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 2:48 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars
> 
> Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
drive from
> Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
Mexico and
> tour Mexico with your electric car.
> 
> Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
your
> Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
> 
> This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
in a
> rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do they
have
> a place to do that.
> 
> Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
because
> it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been invented
or
> brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being thought
about,
> worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation won't make it
> happen any faster.
> 
> I respect that your personal view may be different..
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > (From a Solar List)
> >
> > > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
> >
> > > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> > house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
> >
> > > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
> > > gas cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
> > > dead end vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> > >
> > > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
> > > realize that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they
> > > are better, faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and
> > > cheaper to
> > maintain
> > > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I posted this as a news clipping of possible interest to the group.
I agree with you.
However, they seem to be talking about "pure" gas burners and diesels while 
still allowing hybrids. As you know, a hybrid will make about any trip you 
choose.
Gerry
~~~
On Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:47:52 -0700
G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and drive
> from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
> Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
> 
> Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
> your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
> 
> This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
> in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do
> they have a place to do that.
> 
> Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
> because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been
> invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being
> thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation
> won't make it happen any faster.
> 
> I respect that your personal view may be different..
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > (From a Solar List)
> >
> > > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
> >
> > > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> > house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
> >
> > > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of gas
> > > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a dead end
> > > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> > >
> > > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to realize
> > > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are better,
> > > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> > maintain
> > > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Maybe they are getting tired of supporting the countries that are 
sending Germany so many of their citizens and co-religionists.


I did see this the other day and briefly noted it.  Didn't the former 
commie Angie shut down the nukes a few years ago after the tsunamis in 
Japan?  So now they have CFPPs and windmills for their power, and I 
recall there being some issues among the industrial sector about that 
supply stability.


--FT


On 10/11/16 2:47 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and drive
from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.

Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.

This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do
they have a place to do that.

Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been
invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being
thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation
won't make it happen any faster.

I respect that your personal view may be different..

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


(From a Solar List)


Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-

house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030


And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of gas
cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a dead end
vehicle as the deadline approaches.

We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to realize
that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are better,
faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to

maintain

than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.

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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 11/10/2016 1:47 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and drive
from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.

Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.

This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do
they have a place to do that.

Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been
invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being
thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation
won't make it happen any faster.

I respect that your personal view may be different..



And, how quickly will one run the battery down using electric heat in 
the vehicle? Much of the USA and pretty much all of Canada is cold and 
dark in the winter.
I am in Winnipeg. It will be dark here at 4:00 in the afternoon from the 
end of November until around the middle of January. It may also be -20 
for much of that time.
I have my doubts on the ability of the electric car to handle the cold, 
along with the heating load and the lighting loads.


And, much of the world does not have the grid capacity to re-charge all 
of these electric cars.


And, much of the world uses coal to make the electricity to charge the 
cars. Not as clean as the gasoline car is today.


So, this sounds a bit like flying cars that were predicted in the 50's.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and drive
from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.

Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.

This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do
they have a place to do that.

Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been
invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being
thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation
won't make it happen any faster.

I respect that your personal view may be different..

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> (From a Solar List)
>
> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>
> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>
> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of gas
> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a dead end
> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> >
> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to realize
> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are better,
> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> maintain
> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
>
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